2012 Wild Card Sunday Open Thread: Giants Vs. Falcons
by David Fucillo on Jan 8, 2012 9:45 AM PST
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PrintThe 2012 NFL Playoffs picks back up today with the Giants and Falcons playing this morning and the Broncos and Steelers playing this afternoon. This Giants-Falcons game lost some value for 49ers fans once the New Orleans Saints won. Now, the winner of today's game will advance to face the Green Bay Packers in next week's divisional round.
In my odd manner of logic, I have the Falcons winning this game, but I still think the Giants are a better team. I would not be surprised with either team winning this game, but something just has me thinking the Falcons pull it out. I think either Julio Jones or Roddy White (maybe both) blows up and Michael Turner has a strong game. Of course, that means you should likely bet the opposite with some manner of confidence.
The one downside to today's game is that we are stuck with Joe Buck and Troy Aikman. The good news is that next week it appears as though the 49ers-Saints will get Kenny Albert, Daryl Johnston and Tony Siragusa. I know not everybody is a fan of that crew, but at the very least it qualifies as the lesser of two evils.
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Important game
Determines who gets to go beat Green Bay and then come to SF for the NFC CG.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
Both teams played them well
Falcons even had a nice lead until they blew it
by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 8, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
Probably
Falcons played the Packers tough earlier this year too. Or they jumped out to a lead and stopped playing, whichever.
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Indeed
The Falcons have a lot of talent, and CAN explode offensively, but there’s just something I can’t put my finger one when I watch them play that seems…unconvincing.
They don’t seem as motivated as they should be, and that’s why I have doubt about their ability to beat playoff teams. So yeah, NY wins today, shocks GB next week, and then comes to SF for their second beatdown in recent months.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 8, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I think so too
I am rooting for the Giants to get through
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My son's a Falcons fan , so Go Falcons ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
lol that Falcons player (i think Grimes)
left the tag on his hat
One of the guys I graduated high school with was named Brent Grimes
he was big enough to play tight end in the NFL too.
Buck
‘Good Punt’
You must not have seen Andy Lee go to work.
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i think that's why he only said good
and not “other-worldly” lol
by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 8, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
This will be a punt fest today I'm thinkin" ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Funny you ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
And it doesn't even have anything to do with the Packers
They just don’t want to go to Green Bay.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Can you blame them?
Although, I hear there’s a good bar that serves fried cheese curds down the road from the stadium there.
Have you ever had fried cheese curds? They are amazing.
Oddly enough though, I am predicting the Packers are stunned and knocked out next week- it’s simply REALLY hard to win back-to-back SB’s.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 8, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Indeed
Raw, nothing to write home about.
Fried cheese curds are everything that mozzarella sticks promise to be, but so seldom deliver on. You’ll die a little sooner if you eat them often, but you’ll enjoy yourself a bit more, so it kinda balances out.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 8, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
I love fried cheese of any kind
when i make a grilled cheese sandwich I’ll often put some slices of cheese on the griddle to fry up on their own for a delicious, salty snack
fried cheese
One of the best and worst ideas ever, at the same time.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 8, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
fried cheese
great idea or greatest idea ever?
by Andrew9erfan on Jan 8, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I am intrigued
and would like to subscribe to your news letter
by Andrew9erfan on Jan 8, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
I'm trying to come up with a good title for it
Working title: How to make your life better by eating foods that will kill you: Seems a bit pessimistic, so still working on that; open to suggestions.
The other amazing thing I have come across, in Pittsburgh of all places, is something called Primanti Brothers Sandwiches- Steelers fans will go on and on about this, and rightfully so- It is a grilled sandwich with french fries built into the meat and cheese center.
There are Steeler bars in major cities around the country that have copied it- there is one in SF, and I am going there later today. French fry sandwiches- WAY better than they sound, and they sound pretty good.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 8, 2012 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
I haven't had that exact sammitch but I have had fries on a sandwhich before
it’s pretty good. I like it with cole slaw too.
by Andrew9erfan on Jan 8, 2012 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
I don't generally dig coleslaw
But yes, on that type of sandwich, it is insanely good.
Also, if you happen to live anywhere along the CA coast, I recommend french fry burritos- some taquerias will make you a carne asada burrito with fries instead of rice. It makes dreams come true.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 8, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
California Burrito
At Sol Azteca in Cotati is amazing. Steak, fries, sour cream; add guacamole and Tapatio. Hard to beat
by rev420 on Jan 8, 2012 1:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
No I can't
And I’m about 1500 miles north of Green Bay.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Are you Santa Claus?
Or is Canada REALLY big measured north-south?
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 8, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Canada is REALLY big measured north - south
But I’m in Finland. Think northern Alaska in latitude.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Whoa
Do you have like the 21-hour nights during winter?
How easy is it to catch Niner games in Finland?
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 8, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Night games suck
I have to set my alarm for 3 AM if I want to watch Sunday or Monday night football live — and I have to stream. Later I torrent to rewatch for analysis when I’m not angry.
Yes the nights are very long but maybe not 21 hour nights unless you’re up in the arctic circle. We get maybe 5 hours or a little more of what some could call daylight. I call it gray-light. It’s never really day in winter.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
That sounds intense
I’ve heard about the gray-light phenomenon; one of my good friends in college was from a small town north of Anchorage, and he always explained it as one of those things you just kind of need to experience to understand.
I’ve found the team hard to follow in recent years past when they’ve been bad- getting up at 3 am to watch a team play poorly takes a lot of dedication.
How did you initially become a Niners fan?
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 8, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
I'm an American
I’ve only lived here for two years. I met my (Finnish) wife while on a temp work assignment in Stockholm. Born and raised in the Virginia mountains though, never set foot on the west coast. No clue how I became a Niners fan, although the probability is through a Redskins game. That’s all we got off of the 3 channels from the hand turned antenna when I was a kid.
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That takes commitment
And makes for a pretty funny story, w/regard to the hand-turned antennae.
Temp work in Stockholm doesn’t sound bad…although, I’m guessing it wasn’t at the headquarters of, say, the Swedish bikini team.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 9, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
So it's like perpetual dusk in the day time?
I’m a night person, but lottwasgangsta has it right, that sounds intense. I think i might miss daylight if i only got 5 hours of dusk…
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
i'm not sure if the defenses are just this good
or offenses are just that bad…
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Kareem McKenzie doing a great Anthony Davis impression.
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Davis isn't that bad
ok maybe a little but not that bad…
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also
I liked your comment on the 2 round mock draft…
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Jenkins / Streeter?
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yes
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what do you think of Melvin Ingram?
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As a 4-3 End
Love him.
As a 3-4 elephant backer in an aggressive 3-4 defense I think he’d work out with some time but I think he would take longer to start than Aldon. In our defense I don’t think he is a good fit although I love his frame and athleticism.
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What about Jacquies Smith?
He seems more of a midround project BUT:
a) He is a Smith
b) He went to Mizzou, so we can already probably fit him for a yellow jacket.
c) He’d be a nice sort of Ray McDonald type project- draft him in the 3rd or 4th round, and give him a few years to mature into the role.
Also, with Ingram, couldn’t a lot of those things have been said about Aldon before the draft?
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 8, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
yes to Smiths
more yes to Smiths from Mizzou
by Andrew9erfan on Jan 8, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Ingram is pushing 280, Aldon is much more lean
To be an OLB he really has to be in a system that sends him after the QB every play and never drops him. As much as I’d love it if we did, we just don’t play that way.
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Ingram is 280
couldn’t we stick him in at 3-4 DE?
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Tamba Hali is listed at 275
and is probably heavier
by Andrew9erfan on Jan 8, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
but of course he does just what you suggested a player that size needs to do as an OLB
pretty much rushes the QB all the time
by Andrew9erfan on Jan 8, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Yep
I actually like him best as a 4-3 left end, taking advantage of the slower footed right tackles in the league.
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Makes a lot of sense
Hell, we should draft him just to push Anthony Davis in that regard.
I agree that he doesn’t fit out scheme, but if he were to fall to us, we would have to do some thinking on the matter…
What do you think our top-2 priorities in the upcoming draft are?
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 8, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
CB
FS
OLB
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FS?
do you not like Dashon or do you think he’ll be gone?
by Andrew9erfan on Jan 8, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
both
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I've been pretty happy with his play thus far
but I wouldn’t mind upgrading either
by Andrew9erfan on Jan 8, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
That's a tough question
I think we’ll look at the tiers of talent available at the bottom of the rounds and not be able to firmly address some of our biggest needs. At tackle the bottom of the first is already into the third tier of tackles, and this is a horrible class outside of the juniors.
Worse, the safety class was already shaky and then Ray Ray and TJ both returned to school which decimated it. The guys left will be way overdrafted due to scarcity and I think it’s best to stay away from the rush to fill that need and just franchise Goldson for the rather cheap safety tag number of 6.2 mill.
So looking at the tiers of talent that will be available where we will be selecting, I see us looking at Tight End and then either Corner or Guard.
It would be much different if we were selecting at #7 again.
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by Ougadas on Jan 8, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
interesting I know he is highly athletic and Baalke and Harbaugh seems to like that in their players...
and the Niners also need another pass rusher.
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will another former 49er center be on the winning team today?
i do not think the falcons have much of a chance
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
we can beat both of these teams...
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Matt Ryan is soo good
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Exactly
He’s had better weapons every year and still puts up numbers that are very similar to Alex’s.
Not just this year either, the past 2.
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that's where I'm at
there in the same tier. I take Ryan at the end of the day cause I think he is more capable of making tough throws.
This feels
Like a preseason game.
by njennings on Jan 8, 2012 10:22 AM PST via Android app reply actions
Call the presses!
A 1st down!
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
OMG OMG OMG OMG a first down...
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that would be more exciting than a lot of things
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neither team wants to win
im glad i only have to listen to this, hooray travel days
by Jim Harbro on Jan 8, 2012 10:45 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Stop it Joe Buck Weatherford is not Andy "MVP"Lee!!
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
andy lee would've put that punt at the 1
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exactly probably half yard line
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
causing Drew Brees & the entire Saints Offense to be totally out of sync for the entire game
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Drew Brees
Was in N’ Sync?!
by njennings on Jan 8, 2012 10:36 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
ooohhh
It was a clever play on words, but brutal, around an incredibly sensitive subject.
Can I suggest that this is not an appropriate topic for humorous discussion?
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 8, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Understood.
Thank you.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 8, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Yes look at the one in the middle....
http://stillnsync.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/5818_nsync_03.jpg
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
The giants and falcons
Forgot that this is the playoffs!
by njennings on Jan 8, 2012 10:28 AM PST via Android app reply actions
Who's slower?
Jacobs or Turner?
by njennings on Jan 8, 2012 10:31 AM PST via Android app reply actions
Doesn't seem very loud on the radio
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by Badly Browned on Jan 8, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
I have been in the stadium it gets loud but IT's NOT Clink/Metrodome loud
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
remember when people thought that Julio Jones might be better than AJ green
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He still might be
It’s not often that a WR comes on as a rookie and blows things up. It takes on average 3 years to produce. The only position that takes longer to produce as a draft pick is defensive end/OLB hybrid
Yeah
But I don’t remember anyone taking the people making that argument seriously.
Jones is gonna be a nice player. Green seems like Randy Moss with a better attitude, and better lateral quickness.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 8, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Jones really isn't that great
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based on what? that's ridiculous
He’s one of the most productive rookie WR in recent memory…being thrown to by a guy who I think most people here think are worse than Alex Smith (which he’s not though). Jones will be a perennial pro bowler. He’s been the most talented WR in his age group since he was HS…rated # 1 coming out of HS, rated #1 coming out of college.
Matt Ryan was worse than Alex Smith this year.
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sure
in some stat categories I imagine. The Falcons actually ask him to make plays though. Keep that in mind.
the 49ers don't ask alex do put the team on his shoulders
but to say that they don’t ask him to make plays is just not true
by Andrew9erfan on Jan 8, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
you know what I meant
and asking him to throw 5 yard outs all day is not asking a player to make plays. near the bottom on 3rd down conversions speaks to how much of a problem is to throw on throwing downs for us.
Deep passes...
I’d imagine their numbers and reps are pretty close on that particular stat.
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no, I didn't know what you meant
you say that all the time and it’s just not true. He also does more than just throw 5 yard outs all day. They’ve been having him throw a lot more intermediate/deep passes lately and he’s been connecting on em.
by Andrew9erfan on Jan 8, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah... it's a total myth that he has not thrown deep passes a lot this year.
He’s been doing just fine in this system… he has at least 7 TD drops this year too… He can rush the ball….something Ryan has no ability to do whatsoever… etc…
There’s many reasons why Smith is better than Ryan.
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7 td drops? i know there were some, but 7?
He’s missed some to, welcome to the NFL.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
Yeah, probably around that...
I know Braylon was good for about 3-4 of them himself… Vernon had that a couple…
Crabtree had the thing in the Bengals game where both feet came down and they called him out and didn’t review it…
Yeah… I think 6-7 TD’s is about right.
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I can think of at least 4, but i can't remember the other three.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
a lot of the reason why Alex doesn't have big numbers is really because of the defense and ST
they get the ball in short field situations all the time which makes it hard to rack up a bunch of yards
by Andrew9erfan on Jan 8, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
That's not it at all and you know it!
It has as much to do with Harbaugh and the play calling as it does with Alex Smith’s known deficiencies.
We can’t even watch a simple playoff game without making it about Alex Smith.
No one even mentioned him until you did.
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you were talking about QBs
and dissing Ryan back handedly. I found that worth addressing considering he is on the same par pretty much as Alex Smith.
So wait... which is it?
On par… or subpar?
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kind of both
I think they are similar to each other and are both sub par far too often. Though, as I said, I take Ryan at the end of the day. I get why you think Smith is better.
given the different systems and better weapons in atlanta
I think it’s hard to really tell for certain who’s better
by Andrew9erfan on Jan 8, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
for sure
film study would help. I just find Ryan to be more apt at making difficult throws…and a willingness to throw them.
I agree here.
Ryan does have more willingness to throw into a tight pocket.
He also has more interceptions, but that’s par for the course with more difficult throws.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
To be clear, i think he is more willing,
not more adept. I think both leave something lacking on the deep throw compared to, oh say, Matt Stafford, Jay Cutler, or the other strong armed QB’s.
Much of Alex’s “inaccuracy” on the deep throws comes from making sure not to throw INT’s, IMO, but still, many of his deep throws become uncatchable.
Notice, i didn’t say all, because Alex has made some great throws this year too. Also, the more he throws them, the better he gets at throwing them. Lately it seems he has been putting the ball in a more catchable position, though he does rarely connect with receivers in stride.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
No
I was addressing how Ryan is overrated, which he is, regardless of Alex Smith. Ryan is constantly praised by the ‘experts.’
The rest is stuff you turned it into.
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Why is that
Ryan has had a much shorter career than Smith with much better individual and team results thus far. This is the first year in 7 years where Smith looked competent on a competent team, putting together a full season.
he also had a much better team around him
and why is it that everything gets turned into something about alex smith with you
by Andrew9erfan on Jan 8, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
In 2005, the 49ers were in some ways worse than even an expansion team… and it didn’t really get too much better until this year….
The Oline still has their issues in some games. Vernon has been dropping a career high amount of passes this year…
Crabtree has been the only one consistent all year. Williams has been good but only recently started playing a lot.
In the past 5 games, even Gore has looked pretty mediocre. And Gore was basically the offense because of the previous coaches. The F.O. did not start adding weapons till just recently…
A guy like Sam Bradford’s career could take a similar turn to Alex’s if they continue to get him new playbook after new playbook each year. Only the Rams FO will cut bait sooner because they’re morons… Bradford will go somewhere else and start finally shredding teams.
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A guy like Sam Bradford’s career could take a similar turn to Alex’s if they continue to get him new playbook after new playbook each year.
Well heck, he’s already missed significant time due to injury cause his line can’t protect him.
All he needs now is for his coach to call out his toughness.
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by Badly Browned on Jan 8, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
This will be his 3rd in 3 years...
Give him a few more and then we’ll have apples to apples.
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I called it
in the beginning of the year.
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maybe he could lose a training camp battle
due to injury
by Andrew9erfan on Jan 8, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Didnt get better until this year?
That’s total bullshit Drew.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
it wasn't for a lack of weapons
it was for a lack of ability combined with coaches who had no clue as to how to minimize his weaknesses and accentuate his strengths.
All completely irrelevant.
Alex Smith has no bearing on Matt Ryan being overrated.
You seem to think I’m making the argument Ryan is overrated and Smith is underrated or something, which I’m not and haven’t.
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And btw
My original comment was just a sarcastic slight on Ryan’s terrible throw at the time. Which you then threw in Alex Smith…
This particular thread started about AJ Green vs Julio Jones, what happened? You again turned it into Ryan vs Smith…and then you wonder why people get annoyed with you while you constantly hijack conversations.
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by Virginia9er on Jan 8, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't say that was the only reason but has a lot to do with it
so don’t insist that I know something that isn’t true. It also has to due with a revolving door at WR this year with a new system and no off season. Harbaugh said at the beginning of the season that the offense would probably be watered down because of not enough time to install it. When factoring in the defense and ST giving us a short field which makes it harder to get a ton of yards(sorry, this is a fact) and their lack of time to put things together on offense, I don’t see how you can just blame it all on alex.
by Andrew9erfan on Jan 8, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
well they aren't turning those drives into
TDs…so there is still yardage left on the table. Their low yardage total is about their conservative, play not to lose mentality.
I can accept conservative
but not play not to lose as that’s just not true. They play to win, they just have a different strategy and as this season has shown, a successful strategy.
by Andrew9erfan on Jan 8, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Not talking solely on stats...
There’s a lot of context as to why he was better….. including his throws and accuracy
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Is he better at those things?
Like Harbaugh, I feel Falcons coach should open it up with those weapons hes got, spread the field a bit more. Giants can’t cover White and Jones
Their strength USUALLY is Michael Turner.
They run a pretty balanced approach.
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doesn't mean you abondan the run game
but I’m talking about more diversity in formations and play calls.
The giants can cover them
If the front 4 get enough pressure
by njennings on Jan 8, 2012 10:52 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
The lions defense
Decided to sub in for the falcons
by njennings on Jan 8, 2012 10:58 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Reply fail
This app is frustrating
by njennings on Jan 8, 2012 10:59 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah
Still some major bugs on it
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"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 8, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Between the game itself and the announcers, I've almost fallen back asleep a few times.
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Well
They won’t have Joe Buck, for one
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"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 8, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Duhhhh
Tebow..
Always fun watching trainwrecks
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I am looking forward to
Deebo versus Tebow.
I wonder if Brady Quinn has gotten any better in recent years; would not be surprised to see an ineffective Tebow get pulled before the half.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 8, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
i don't want to see the Broncos win as much as I wanna see the Steelers lose lol
by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 8, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Agree.
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Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?
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I don't even think he will complete that many passes.
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I suggest we place the over/under
At 7.
Out of, perhaps, 14 attempts, prior to him getting pulled.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 8, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Quinn won't be any better than Tebow...
And the team actually plays for Tebow… they’ll quit if Quinn gets thrown in.
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Jay Glazer reported that Broncos plan to use Quinn on 3rd down if Tebow is bad
And also might just put Quinn in if Tebow really stinks it up.
2 quarterbacks...
I said they shoulda kept Orton and let him play the first 3 quarters…then bring in Tebow in the 4th to close the game out
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that makes sense to me
but why wait til playoff time to pull the plug on Tebow on 3rd downs or whatever?
I like watching Tebow play
he can make some incredible plays (including very tough throws), and then he can be Tim Tebow
it's short
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"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 8, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Harbaugh is shaking his head at that one
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I occasionally get frustrated with Harbaugh for not going for it a little more frequently, but that right there reminded us all why he does it.
Take the easy points, then play predatory defense.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 8, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
wow
1 link
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ha
Watch them lose by 2 now. At least it’s not overtime right now right? lol
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"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Unless you have a wide open Crabtree on the sideline lol
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"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 8, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
SAFETY!
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"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
LMAO...good 'ole Eli
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I kinda wanna see a 3-2 game now
Just cause
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"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
What a great pre-season battle we're witnessing!!!
Barely 100 yds of offense and the first points are a safety? Definition of snoozer.
there goes my perfect prediction...
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uhoh....
David Carr sighting
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Giants D better realize Burner Turner had over 1300yds this season
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Go for it again!
lol
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"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
This is no man's land
you don’t punt it…. you kick it or go for it.
Wow, they netted 25 yards on that punt whoopie! This is the recipe for how to lose on Saturday at the Stick!
You can't spell Elite without Eli
LOL
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
It's a highly controlled substance
Picture if ANYONE in society had access to Andy Lee Juice- we’d have anarchy.
Little kids soccer games would be cancelled because bystanders would get decapitated by the DeathStar effect of 7 year olds channeling Andy Lee on penalty kicks.
It would basically look like Shaolin Soccer which, if you haven’t seen, is probably a better use of the next 90 minutes of your life than the Falcons-Giants game.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 8, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
It's funny how one punt ruined that Giants punter's career
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Jan 8, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Why would you write exactly the same thing in the title and in the body of your post?
by neder on Jan 8, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
because the first would actually be an improvement
by Jim Harbro on Jan 8, 2012 10:55 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Eli either has good games or bad games
He never has mediocre games
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
Giants were what? 1 game above .500 at home this year I believe...
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I have to say I find Mike Mayock to be the best commentator by FAR
I really don’t know how he doesn’t get to call more games. He’s actually one of the few commentators that knows what he’s talking about and can explain it.
I think it's the lisp
If he didn’t have it, he would be featured as a broadcaster a lot more often.
Incidentally, I’m not saying he shouldn’t- I found it distracting at first, but eventually got used to it, and his analysis is both good, and significantly less lazy than, say, Phil Simms.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 8, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
He sounds just like Phil Simms to me,
and Phil Simms just annoys me.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Well...maybe
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 8, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
TD Giants
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"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Giants overated
Ever since that 07 sb run
Somehow they can do it again. That defense is not good and theyre mentally weak. All hype just like the eagles, jets and cowboys
by STR8CASH..HOMIE on Jan 8, 2012 11:03 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I don't think so
they aren’t superbowl ready but they are better than many teams out there.
by renke81 on Jan 8, 2012 11:04 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
You just been drinking that NY media coverage
They barely made the playoffs. Just think if the seachickens would have barely made playoffs they would get the giants hype.It’s all hype
by STR8CASH..HOMIE on Jan 8, 2012 11:42 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
He is a good narrator, IMO.
I love Through the Wormhole.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
He was God before Jim Carrey, wasn't he?
Or a janitor, i’m not sure which.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Ok that Visa commerical was exciting than the TD
& yea that’s morgan freemans voice
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ouch
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"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Giants are starting to take control.
But they are gonna maybe have an advantage against the Packers…. Packs Oline is still banged up and the Giants can play better defense.
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I like the movie.
TV show will probably be terrible though.
"Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer "extortion." The "X" makes it sound cool." - Bender Bending Rodriguez
Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?
"Sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon..."
Gotta say, with the quality of this game, I don't think it matters who wins.
Green Bay’s going to beat either of them.
I'm not sure on this
But just the feeling I have from watching a decent amount of games, the Giants have played better on the road this year.
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It's really irritating
Though, I have to say, the mildly homoerotic eye contact Raji makes with Rodgers when he turns in the music on is pretty entertaining.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 9, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
No
Effective advertising, clearly they got their message across :).
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their message that they want to be annoying?
by Andrew9erfan on Jan 8, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Sarcasm
Seeing as he thought it was for Best Buy clearly the actual point of advertising didn’t work out for em.
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you need to make sure to use your sarcasm font for us slow folks
by Andrew9erfan on Jan 8, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
some companies do this on purpose
If you look at Old Spice, everyone was buzzing about their commercials when Isaiah Mustafa was used. After playing the same type of commercial for a while, people didn’t talk about Old Spice as much so what they did was start producing those horrible Old Spice commercials with Fabio just to create that chatter and put their brand out there again. Once people started talking about Old Spice again they went back to Isaiah Mustafa.
I am very, very jealous.
Dominos is sooo much better these days its unreal. It sucks, because the closest one is 45 minutes from my house, and i’m a pizza freak
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
It's butter
They pretty much just started adding more butter to everything.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Whatever it was, it worked great.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Yes it did
Everythang is betta with butta.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Now that you told me the secret,
I can’t believe it’s not butter.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
I've seen the commercials.
And when i ate there, it outdid my expectations by a mile. Everything is delicious nowadays.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Well that backfired...
1:16 left on the clock & 2 TO for ATL
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Giants could have ran a draw on 3rd down to pick up the first...
call TO with a TO left to move further down the field
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
either way it was good scoring opportunity missed by the Giants
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
me either backfired maybe a bad choice of words, should have said more of a wasted opportunity
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
surprised the refs didn't blow whistle to get a review since under 2 mins
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
This is more like a Braves/ Yankees score than it is Falcons/ Giants
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I've always wanted to see what the big deal about fried chicken and waffles
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 8, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
It's not bad.
The maple syrup tastes good on chicken. It’s nothing to get worked up about, but it’s not bad.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
These are the teams we are rooting for to beat GB?
Looks like it’ll be Lambeau in two weeks.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:23 AM PST reply actions
Sorry but Mike Smith is not the answer in Atlanta...
I can’t see him ever leading that team to a Superbowl. They have a lot of wasted talent in each game
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4th down call reminded me of him going for it vs Saints in ATL
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
I dont agree
He went 13-3 last year. Had a down year this year and still went what 11-5. He can get it done. Just ran into a hot Packers team last year.
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John Fox
Did not deny one bit that Tebow would be yanked for Quinn if he starts to suck. All he said was, We expect our starters to play great including Tim and our backups to be ready.
I hate sports reporters
at least tv ones. The questions they ask are so inane. “So, your team just lost by 20 points, how do you feel?”
“Hey coach, how are you going to handle the pass rush of your opponents?”
Really?
I'm just waiting for a straight faced
“Homicidal”
“Good clean football. If that doesn’t work, sharpened toothbrushes. "
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by Ougadas on Jan 8, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, you see....
Great football is great football, and when great football players are playing, you get great Football. And Brett Favre…
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Please someone shove a fist in Joe Buck’s mouth
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Neither one of these teams have a shot at the Packers if they play like this.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
ATL really needs Turner this game if they want to win!!
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I love how the Falcons run Turner until he has a terrible play, instead of mixing successful runs and passes.
Classic bad playcalling. Would have loved to see a play action after the 10-yard run.
"Pretty athletic move trying to locate it"
There was nothing athletic about it. He failed locating the ball after spinning twice trying to find it. Then did not catch it.
Joe crap Buck
Please NFL give me more audio options in these games. Announcers are no good. Aikman and buck take away from game.
by STR8CASH..HOMIE on Jan 8, 2012 11:45 AM PST via mobile reply actions
did I miss anything?
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Nothing that wasn't happening in the first half
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Nah
You can go back to sleep.
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Hey the Giants are wearing red shoes...
Fine the whole team 10K
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I see red, black, and white.
Some of them didn’t get the memo.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Was basically saying that because Crab got fined for wearing gold cleats
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Didn't Crab, Williams, Ginn and VD get fined for white socks?
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Nope...
It was Crab for the gold cleats and Whitner for black socks on MNF
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There was four receivers on MNF with white socks. I know Ginn and Williams had White socks.
I’m off to try and find it now.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Ok, so far i've found Williams being fined 5,000 for the socks in the AZ loss.
I am sure i seen four with matching socks. I’m still looking.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Ok, not sure how to post a link but
Ted Ginn, Michael Crabtree, Braylon Edwards, and Kyle Williams were all fined $5,000 for wearing white socks against the Ravens on thanksgiving.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
link
When you open the reply option, you’ll see what looks like a little link second from the right. Highlight what you want to link and click that.
by David Fucillo on Jan 8, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Ok, don't know what happened, i thought i posted it.
by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
Ok so i copy and pasted into the link box and clicked open in a new window.
Not sure what’s going wrong…
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/12/gore-not-fined-for-chop-block-penalty-vs-ravens.html#ixzz1fPpmpMQW
by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Ok, so I give up.
Sorry for wasting space. Copy and paste that into the URL bar, and you have the story…
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Here.
"Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer "extortion." The "X" makes it sound cool." - Bender Bending Rodriguez
Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?
"Sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon..."
Thank you very much!
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Can Kyle Williams be our Victor Cruz?
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:50 AM PST reply actions
Yes, hopefully.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
no
he had 131 targets this year, even Crabtree only had 114..
plus he had maybe, what 5 of the 10 luckiest plays of the year?
Kyle can be the 49ers Denarious Moore. Few targets, but lots of big plays.
Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
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by whistlingmountain on Jan 8, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Here comes a pick from Manning ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
What round?
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Giants are getting a little bit conservative too
2nd and 2 from just across midfield is the perfect time to go deep.
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Braylon Edwards is too busy helping children to do his job.
I’m not sure, is that an insult?
he???
I’m talking about our WR’s not helping Smith out when a play busts down. They stop at the end of their routes and force him to throw it away A LOT this season.
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That ATL corner wanted no part of Bradshaw on that long run...
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I see there must be a dvd going around in the NFL
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
I thought it was hugging?
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No clue.
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I'm not sure, but maybe because it was within the 5 yards?
All the contact is legal until the actual pass, and the pass was so quick you could make the argument the contact was incidental going for the ball.
It would be a pretty crappy argument.
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I seriousl ywant them to make it ok to have contact up to 10 yards and to make it 5 yards no automatic first down.
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by whistlingmountain on Jan 8, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
If it was within 5 yards I could go for that argument
I often wonder why more corners don’t play physically within the 5 yards especially when playing high powered teams.
well supposedly in the playoffs
the refs let them play a little more physical
by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 8, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
There’s a difference between letting them play more physical and just not calling blatant penalties.
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they've seemed to miss a lot of blatant stuff this weekend
aren’t they supposed to use the best crews during the playoffs? lol
by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 8, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Honestly
They don’t have enough ‘best crews’ to cover the games.
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I see that coverage from behind as a lot different from flat out holding a defender
If I’m the Falcons, I tell my players to make that play just like that every time. He went for the ball, the contact from behind was incidental (and not that bad, either, he didn’t exactly bowl him over), and, even if it is a penalty, on the goalline you make sure that pass doesn’t get caught.
In other words, if refs are supposed to be backing off on calls a bit, that's the type of play
that it might be fair for them to do it on
If Alex Smith made that throw to Ballard...
… the announcers would have said, “Smith’s gotta be more accurate here.”
But because it’s Manning they say, “Great throw. There was a defender in the lane and the throw had to be where it was.”
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Great call
Sick of how announcers flip the script to hype the players that have their privates down they’re throat..
by STR8CASH..HOMIE on Jan 8, 2012 11:56 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
at the same time
Given Eli’s run of success in recent years, he’s bought himself some cred. They still might seem more pro-Manning, but it’s not as if it’s entirely an inaccurate issue.
by David Fucillo on Jan 8, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
So you are saying if Smith does it for a couple more years, they'll change their tune?
I’d have to see that to believe it… I think the perception has been skewed already and it may never change… but maybe that’s what you were saying with Manning; that he already built his perception… although, I would argue that last year he was a mass producing INT machine.
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No
They’ve already decided what the “Story” is on Smith. At best it’s a “feelgood overachievement” for him.
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not necessarily
A few big years can change any opinion.
by David Fucillo on Jan 8, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
But I’m not talking about opinion, I’m talking about marketing.
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marketing
It can still change with a few big years.
by David Fucillo on Jan 8, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
How big can those years be
In our run first offense? He won’t get enough attempts to have those big stat years that he needs to be marketable.
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well...
Harbaugh ran a power rushing offense at Stanford and Luck made himself pretty marketable. Stanford threw plenty, but that running game was key.
by David Fucillo on Jan 8, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
This is the big leagues, not the PAC 18
If you aren’t threatening 4500 yards and 30 TD nobody cares.
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But Luck threw something like 35+ td's the last three years in a row.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Talking about the NFL
It’s not quite as easy when you have to step out of the kiddy pool and into the deep end.
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Eli helped himself out immensley
in the Super Bowl by keeping that play alive to let Plaxico go up and make a circus catch.
That drive was all Eli. Alex Smith puts together something like that in the Super Bowl and people will start looking at him differently
Plaxico caught the TD, pretty standard throw and catch. Clutch though.
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That's probably why I mixed them up
Anyway I think that drive did more to change the public perception of Eli Manning then anything else since.
Plaxico made the TD grab... but Tyree was the bubble gum catch.
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That's exactly what it is right now...as you worded it...
“feel good, over achievement”
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Well
Alex Smith is not marketable at this point. People see a no. 1 overall pick having his first productive year, individual and team wise, so he has no mass appeal.
I also agree with this.
Am I in a really good mood today or something? Just agreeing with everyone.
Someone say something bad about Alex Smith so I can argue!
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my new opinion of Smith
“Alex Smith is.” I’m going with the more zen philosophy. he’s not good. He’s not bad. He just “is.”
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Being is the process of becoming what one is by being it and becoming it simultaneously.
meditates
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in the moment, yes...
But we have no context of a few big years from Smith to prove otherwise.
by David Fucillo on Jan 8, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I'd agree for this season certainly.
But most people did not see or care about Alex’s improvement last season. Next year, he’s going to get some great opportunities to play opposite some great QBs. The best one we’ve played this year were Stafford and Roethlisberger, hardly the best at their position. Should he put up comparable numbers in any of the games against Brees, Rodgers or Brady, probably on national TV, you’ll see some opinions change.
At best it’s a "feelgood overachievement" for him.
Can you blame them? That’s pretty much the case at this point… 6 years of awfulness, one decent year
6 years of mediocrity, one year of above average.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
I'll disagree to a certain extent
He showed significant improvement from year one to year two. I still contend losing Turner and having to promote Jim Hostler on short notice stunted his growth early.
by David Fucillo on Jan 8, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
perceptions can change
I don’t know if announcers will change their tune, but I think Smith needs to do more than what he did this year to potentially change opinions.
by David Fucillo on Jan 8, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
I think had some of the receivers and tight ends held on to a few more passes... his numbers and perception
would be a little bit higher than what it currently is… He should have a few more TD passes at least.
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Take manning off the back of jersey
And watch announcers change there tune! 2010 Eli= turnover… 2011 Eli= Elite.. 2010 smith= not good… 2011 smith= system QB, ok QB
by STR8CASH..HOMIE on Jan 8, 2012 12:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
the name
The name reflects previous performance
by David Fucillo on Jan 8, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Yes. Agree with you there.
Smith skepticism is warranted. Trusting Manning is also warranted. I think Eli is actually pretty under-rated – all things considered.
I just think it goes overboard sometimes with the QB love. Especially with Brees yesterday. But I know they’re just doing what they gotta do to keep the machine rolling.
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Agree with the QB love thing.
Brees had a great game, but he threw quite a few inaccurate passes that could have been interceptions, threw 3 deep passes to wide open receivers, and generally just took advantage of what the defense gave him. That’s exactly what he’s supposed to do, of course, but he’s been put up as the god of that offense whereas he got a lot of help from the running game and, of course, the Detroit defense.
And on top of all that, his amazing o-line. He gets till infinity to throw the ball.
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Part of that is his amazing ability to shift in the pocket.
Manning and Brady may be the only ones better at this,
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Falcons score and they can knot this thing up now.
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Good no call in my opinion
Corner had his hands on the sides of of the receiver but did not actually hold him or anything like that. Good play by the CB and good call.
they're never going to call that PI when they're sitting there fighting over position and the corner doesn't hook
Can I just say that what is going on with the Falcons O is basically everyone’s worst fear for the 49ers offense. To just have a dud of a day.
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by whistlingmountain on Jan 8, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
I can’t believe people argue Eli is just as good as Smith.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
Don't think anyone made that argument
But announcers flip reality one way or another to hype one player more than the other
by STR8CASH..HOMIE on Jan 8, 2012 12:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
but the reality is
that Eli is much better than Smith. Ryan of course gets more positive pub than Smith: he’s taken his team to post season 3 of 4 years, whereas Alex Smith was arguably one of the biggest busts ever after 4 years.
If you take out Brady, Brees, and a healthy Peyton
Eli Manning is at the top of the list of QBs who I’d want on my team
Eli is starting to peak in his career...
I don’t think he will ever be his brother… but he is certainly a top tier quarterback.
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He was better than Phillip Rivers this year
And a lot of people consider Rivers better.
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He is very good, and Top 5 IMO
But he will never step out of Peyton’ shadow. Peyton is/was better in every phase of the game.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Win!
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Smith never had the help Ryan has had throughout his career.
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And still doesn't on offense...
Turner, White, Jones, Gonzales > Gore, Crabtree, Williams, Davis
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Mmm
Not sure about that. The first part of your argument I’ll buy. I think the 49ers offense this year has as many weapons as the Falcons offense
Turner is better than Gore at this point in each of their careers…
They have two number one WR’s opposed to us having two number two’s…
And maybe Vernon would be considered better this year than an old ass Tony Gonzales had he not had a career high in dropped passes…
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OK
You might be convincing me. I really would like to see what a full engaged Crabtree can do with a whole season.
I like what he’s done the past few games and would like to see him get more opportunities.
And Turner might be better (though I’ll disagree on that), but we have the one-two punch of Turner and Hunter.
Crabtree if he stays 100% healthy will have
90 catches for 1000+ next year…. unless we bring in someone better.
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Crabtree had 72 this year
and 874 yards, despite having 11 games with 5 or fewer catches. He had 5 games with 3 or fewer catches.
One catch more per game and he’s at 90 catches. He averaged 12.1 yards per catch in this supposedly anemic offense. He maintains that average over 90 catches and he’s at 1000 yards.
In other words it would be very easy for him to do that next season.
He missed the first two and was injured in a third...
Beginning of the year, he wasn’t on the field a lot….
Certainly 17 more catches in 3-4 games is possible… 4 catches per game and his average takes care of both statistical predictions… but that’s why I said “IF” he stays healthy…
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Especially since he didn't catch fire until later in the season
He starts the season like that and he breaks 90 easily.
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Unless we get someone to share the load with him...
Then he maybe does a little more than this year.
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Alex was not "one of the biggest busts ever".
He wasn’t even the 49ers biggest bust.
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he hadn't accomplished anything 4 years into his career
individual, or team wise. That’s a monumental bust.
He was a perfectly average QB
which a bust does not make, unless you define bust differently than I do
Bad throw by Ryan.... wide open WR and he almost misses him.
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oh no, can't be true
he IS Matty Ice after all, God’s second gift to football, after Tebow of course
by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 8, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Plummer
One of my favorite NFL players of all time. Kenny Stabler might have a problem with it but I love it.
by David Fucillo on Jan 8, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
The Snake...
Gotta give that nickname to Stabler… he was the original. I hate it when players rip off nicknames or TD dances… it’s like, have some originality.
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nicknames
Players don’t rip them off. The media rips it off usually. I don’t think Plummer started telling people to call him The Snake.
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Well, yeah... so I guess we can blame the media.
It was because it rhymed with Jake… but still… Stabler was a really good quarterback in his era. Plus a very interesting character… I didn’t really ever hear about Plummer’s character… and I followed him since his ASU days. I liked him, but def not one of my faves’’’
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Humm I've seen that Julio reverse before...
except Ginn/KDub is running it
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well there was a warm front on the east coast this weekend
by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 8, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder how Alex would do with Roddy White, Julio Jones, and Tony Gonzales
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AtLOLanta!
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"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
wow
the falcons are dumb
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How many times are you gonna run a damn qb sneak?
Jesus fucking christ.
This has to be one of the worst offensive playcalling I have ever witnessed
4 & 1 and you go empty back field, mind you Turner is on the sideline
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Mike Smith is so dumb
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"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
agreed
they are just giving the game away…
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
It's like they got the "Suck for Luck" memo way too late.
I could swear they are trying to lose this game.
Wow, looking like the Lions defense out there.
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Nail in the coffin
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Nicks is having an incredible game.
Nice that there’s another receiver to pick up the slack when Cruz is struggling.
Falcons secondary isn't great with geometry.
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we aren't playing the Giants
we are gonna play the Saints. Giants will be underdogs
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No. Saints talk and niners will be dogged!
Expected from today’s media
by STR8CASH..HOMIE on Jan 8, 2012 12:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Wait til Denver wins
No other games next week would matter.
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can we just watch the fighting Tebows now...
and see this attempt of an offense
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Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
i like that one too!
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It's a good thing the Falcons made that huge trade up for Julio Jones
it really helped their defense and will help them get over the playoff hump
good point
I guess if JJ turns into a HOFer, then I suppose its justified, but don’t know why they felt it so necessary to give so much to get a WR if you are the Falcons
Giants D is eating up Michael Turner today
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Whoever is the offensive coord in ATL...
Needs to be fired immediately.. down 15 NOW you want to run on back to back plays
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How if you look at this play calling this game...
It’s horrible, I feel sorry for the franchise that will do that to themselves
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Giants Defense looking pretty good today.
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and have yet to score one td so far
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 8, 2012 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
stick a fork in it.
falcons should have kicked those two field golas
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Let's talk about who the Niners' MVP is.
I think a good test of that question is, who would it hurt the Niners the most to lose to injury for a game or more?
Given that framing, I think their MVP is either Alex or Akers.
Cop out
Akers and Lee are my co-MVPs :D
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by Badly Browned on Jan 8, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
J. Smith comes veeeeery close behind
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No its......
The team. The team. The team
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alex????????????; No
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 8, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
No? You don't think they'd be in fairly serious trouble if they lost him and had to go with Kaep?
With Kaep, at least in the short term, I think you’d see pass completion go down and mistakes like ints and fumbles go up, and they’d start losing games.
no trouble
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 8, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
either did dalton or newton
not every qb takes 7 years to be average
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 8, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Those are middle of the road teams
Dalton did pretty well, but cracked at the end of yesterday’s game.
Just look at their records. The Niners are Super Bowl contenders with Smith. With Kaep, they wouldn’t be. They’d have more of the Bengal’s chances.
begnals made the playoffs and were super bowl contenders until yesterday
and you have no idea what Kaepernick is capable of doing in the NFL and what he has showed so far looks very promising. The niners might even be able to make more plays with Kaepernick!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 8, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Might be, but it's not likely at this point.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Also, i don't know very many people that considered the Bengals contenders,
making the playoffs or not.
Are the Broncos contenders?
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
I'll give you that it's possible that Kaep would do even better, just because he's
an unknown quantity, but decision-making is Alex’s strength, now, and that comes from experience. I just think it’s pretty unlikely that a rookie off the bench is going to be able to play up to what Alex has been doing, which doesn’t seem unreasonable.
Bengels were contenders?
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by Badly Browned on Jan 8, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
It depends on how Harbaugh and the coaching staff would deal with the change.
The Niners offense minimizes mistakes not just because of Alex’s conservative playing, but because of what he’s asked to do. If Kaepernick had to take over, the Niners would have to adjust their offense to be conservative to his strengths: rolling out in the pocket, 1 or 2 reads and run. He has a better arm than, say, Tebow, and the Niners have a fairly good run game. I’d say the Niners offense would suffer, but not so much that it would be devastating.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 8, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
They already are even more?
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
wow
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 8, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
171 yards a game passing is not "balanced
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 8, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Only compared to teams who don't run
But they aren’t balanced.
The point is that they wouldn’t be passing even as much as they are now.
"balanced"
niners passing is anemic.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 8, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
It seemed to be sufficient during the season.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Are passing statistics important to you, or W-L?
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
False dichotomy
I’d rather see good football from both units instead of elite play on defense and poor play on offense.
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I don't think the 49ers have a poor offense
It’s a strawman argument. Is it 40 points a game? No, but most teams in the league aren’t.
I do
One of the worst in the NFL at getting 2 yards or less on 3rd down, 4th down, or some down and Goal inside the 2.
One of the worst in the NFL converting 3rd downs and scoring touchdowns inside the red zone.
And that’s off the top of my head to start without even getting into pass protection failures or the high rate of drops.
The worst for the team might be the failure inside the red zone, but the more embarrassing one is the first, since we see ourselves as a power running team.
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And despite all that
Still 11th in scoring. The issues you bring up are real, some have been improved.
And sure the ability to score is affected by the defense and special teams with regard to field position, but it is still a formula for 13 wins this year…
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Honestly
the thing I care about is points on the board.
first downs don’t win games. 3rd down conversions don’t win games. field goals and touchdowns do
Which is fine and dandy as long
as your defense and special teams can dominate the field position battle.
If they have a bad day you’ll be needing those first downs if you want to sniff field goal range.
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Yeah but it's just part of the puzzle
saying that the 49ers have a terrible offense because they have a poor 3rd down conversion misses the big picture.
Is it a matter of concern? Sure, these aren’t the 49ers of the early and mid 90s with a super offense.
It’s not nearly as dire as what I’ve seen predicted thoguh, and that’s what bothers me
How does it miss the big picture?
We can’t convert on third down for several basic fundamental football reasons.
We cannot run power football. We can run misdirection football quite successfully but when we want to line up in heavy and just smash it in there, we fail consistently.
This leads to second and long and more often than not 3rd and long and those are always very difficult to convert.
Worse, when we can get a 3rd and 2, we are one of the worst teams in the NFL at grinding out those 2 yards.
It’s basic. It’s fundamental. We want our identity to be a power running football team and we cannot line up and run power football.
It actually has very little to do with our passing game.
When you want one thing to be your identity and you are one of the worst teams in the NFL at executing that part of the game you are a bad unit.
It’s that simple.
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The whole freaking point of an offense
is to score points. All the other stuff is just part of it. There are lots of different ways to get the goal, but the whole point is to actually score the points.
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Exactly, and our PPG
points out that there is 21 teams that are worse at scoring points then the 49ers. Not exactly horrible.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
You know nothing, Jon Snow.
Maybe, but until you understand that yards, third down %, and red zone % don’t matter compared to W-L, or Points For and against, you know somethings, just not everything. Nothing is so definite. I know i like bacon, does that count? I know how to take the integral of trigonometric functions, does that count as something?
Seriously, what good do personal insults do?
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
That's not an insult
It’s an objective fact. Quoting a number that you didn’t even calculate yourself and presenting it in a way that doesn’t even fit the context in which it was calculated is ignorant.
Ignorance. Lack of knowledge. Knows nothing.
Completely different from questioning his intellect, which I have not done. I haven’t insulted anyone.
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Whether you're willing to admit it or not,
Saying “you know nothing” is an insult. Period.
Does the fact that i didn’t calculate it make a difference? It’s not exactly difficult. You add up the 16 point totals, and divide by 16. Not rocket science.
How does it not fit the context? Because it doesn’t prove your point? That doesn’t mean it doesn’t fit. You’re saying the offense doesn’t do well in situational football. I say that doesn’t make them a bad offense, because they still score more than 21 other teams. The 49ers have what, 1 defensive Td and one Safety?
Please don’t act like the D is scoring all the points.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Field position
Basic failure to understand football fundamentals.
When your defense and special teams gets you the ball once at midfield and twice at the opposing 40, 3 field goals is not successful offensive production.
It’s not losing the points the other two units gave you.
And we’ve had games where we spent entire halves on the other side of the 50.
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How many times has that happened?
5? 10? Since you are into doing all the work yourself, maybe you’ll look it up for us.
Unless you have numbers, all you can say is “I remember quite a few times the offense didn’t take advantange of the defensive prowess”.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Scoring is a team statistic
Not an offensive one. So many of our points if we are going to break it down to who earned them go to our defense and special teams for getting us the ball back in field goal range or 10-15 yards from field goal range.
Scoring 3 points with that field position is not an offensive success, it’s just not losing the 3 points the defense and special teams gave you.
Until you understand that you know nothing.
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Reply fail
The post above should have been a response to this one. Oh well.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
this helps illuminate
the valid concerns about the offense. Same problems the Falcons are having today.
It's only a part of the picture
and in my view it’s not enough to condemn the 49ers offense is terrible or awful or any of the other words bandied about
Slightly better than mediocre.
We are in the bottom of the top 1/3, or the top of the bottom 2/3’s.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Points per game.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
The 49ers are tied with houston for 10th at 23.8 PPG.
I don’t think that qualifies as poor play on offense. Did we have poor play in the Red zone for four or five weeks? Yes. Was the offense in general poor? Not in my opinion.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
495 passing attempts and sacks, 498 rushing attempts this season.
Almost perfectly balanced in the classical sense.
Well, that depends as well.
I’d say having a QB like Kaepernick wouldn’t be too much trouble against New Orleans, Green Bay or the Patriots. Still, you’ll get no argument from me that it wouldn’t be significant if Alex was injured. Still, given the choice between Justin Smith or Patrick Willis and Alex Smith, it would be tough.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 8, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
that would be MVT
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Wow that's tough.
I’d say it would have to be Alex. I just don’t think Kaep could run the offense well enough yet.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
no question that the worst loss
from this team would be Smith. You can lose a RB, or WR, orTE, or DB, or LB and it wouldn’t hurt nearly as much as losing Alex. You can thank the FO and Harbaugh for that. But then again, this is the case for most teams.
Yeah, we've seen that the team picks up
after losing Gore (or when he doesn’t produce), and there’s RJF for Dline, Larry Grant for LB, et cetera. If we lost Alex, i don’t like our chances vs N.O.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
defense
I’d take Justin Smith as MVP before Rogers.
by David Fucillo on Jan 8, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
It's too hard to pick one guy...
Willis played great, Aldon Smith, Justin Smith, Bowman, Rogers, Goldson, Whitner, etc…
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Give the whole team the MVP.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
here comes giants run game
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You know, this game actually has been pretty even.
It’s just that the Falcons’ short yardage playcalling and execution has been terrible. Convert any of those 4th downs and this is a close game. One of these drives they’ll get their TD. It just might be too late.
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I guess.... I always thought he was a taller receiver.
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aaaah the NY media can do that to you...
hype it up
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
So are we gonna see the falcons take some shots downfield this quarter?
It’s not even good defenses…it’s bad offenses.
of course...
Lions could get 15 points quickly, but they’d give up another 14 in the meantime.
by David Fucillo on Jan 8, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Giants
I think Eli and Nicks/Cruz would shred them. And given that they couldn’t tackle Sproles and Thomas, I think big backs would do some damage as well.
by David Fucillo on Jan 8, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
What happened last night?
The Lions didn’t show that kind of defensive ineptitude in the first meeting a few weeks ago. They didn’t even make them punt.
They did make several third down stops
But Sean Payton went for it on fourth every single time — and converted it.
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horrific tackling
Also, got no pressure on Brees. Interesting to note in that previous game, it was another 21-point quarter that did in the Lions.
by David Fucillo on Jan 8, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
The tackling was horrendous. They didn't even try to wrap up.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
their defense has so much talent; i do not understand how they give up so many points.
suh and fairley in the middle but you can run it straight up the middle for huge yards
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 8, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Not necessarily.
If they were playing a defense like the Packers, most certainly. But the Giants defense is quite good, it would be a struggle.
Remember, even the Rams managed to make things interesting against the Niners. Any team can pull out a couple plays.
It's funny how bad the Falcons are.
Every time I watch them I think, “Wow. This team is really bad.”
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they've
failed miserably on 3 short yardage plays that cost them 3 possessions. You should have some sympathy for that being a Niner fan.
Ha
As if Harbaugh wouldn’t take the 3 on each of those.
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49ers have never been worked this badly
by mcwagner on Jan 8, 2012 12:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
we've had numerous short yardage stops
that prevented pts and the Ravens/Cards game reminds me of being worked. This score is only so bad because of these short yardage shortcomings. The Falcons have moved the ball often enough to get points on 3 drives I think.
Brandon Jacobs is a defensive end playing running back
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it almost seems like....
the Falcons don’t care to win this game. I’m finding i tough to care about watching.
Does anyone here thing the Giants could maybe upset the Packers next week?
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I don't think it will happen, but
I wouldn’t be to surprised about it. Giants played them pretty tough last time and came close to winning.
Guess it all depends on how well the Packers shaky offensive line holds up.
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You get after Rogers
And you can win the game.
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Yeah, I think the X-factor is Green Bay's Oline
They play well, they win… they play crappy and they will lose.
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2 points Falcons? Come on... at least get a Field Goal
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You see what happens Falcons?
You see what happens when you break Garrison Hearst’s leg in the playoffs?
You get embarrassed 14 years later.
game is over; falcons are sorry.
how does that draft day trade look now? lol
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ok
Jones is very talented. Another year will pay.
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but that trade did not get them very far in the playoffs which was the point of that trade.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 8, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Well dang , i feel my bad for my son , thats Three years in a row one and done ...!!
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defense and matt ryan
they should have kicked those field goals at least
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 8, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
ELI MANNING
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Who was valedictorian?
Saludictorian?
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Matty not so ice
Can Matt Ryan really get it done? I don’t think so. And they need a secondary overhaul down in Atlanta.
butch
He does look flat...
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
They're playing without grimes. Which really hurt them in the secondary.
Just an other case of the healthier team peaking at the right time. Better luck next year atl.
by Zintzun22niner on Jan 8, 2012 12:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Is it time to add Mike Smith to the Marty Schottenheimer list of good coaches who inexplicably go into a shell in the playoffs and lose by trying not to lose? This has been a pathetic coaching effort.
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Blame this more on Falcons OCoord
He sucks. remember ATL got 2 pts from a saftey by the defense
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Their offense looked pretty good against the Saints.
Probably says more about the Saints defense though.
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by cybermaldonado on Jan 8, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
yep
Falcons had a shot in the 1st half the defense had them in the game. Until Giants offense woke up, their offense was horrible thoughout the entire game
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
0 - 3 in the playoffs...
Man that’s gotta sting…
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He'd have loved to have had a better supporting cast the past 6 years too like Ryan has had.
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of course he would
If Smith doesn’t win next week with this team, does he automatically suck? Of course not.
Well if he doesn't win... and by that I mean he, himself chokes the game away...
I think that really kicks the need for looking outside of him as a starter in to full gear for the offseason.
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You two bicker like a married couple
by TortureOpp on Jan 8, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah they do.
It’s mostly hilarious.
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Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?
"Sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon..."
It is sometimes sad, yeah.
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I bicker much less with my girlfriend who is kind of a bitch.
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that wasn't a very nice thing
to say about her. You must be quite a handful yourself for you both to put up with each other!
Well she doesn't read NN so I can get away with it.
We actually get along rather well… she’s just pretty fiery at times. I guess I can be too… but I am a little less conflicting with her as she doesn’t really follow sports.
Our arguments usually consist of where we’re gonna eat,and stupid stuff like that.
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That's not a nice to say, i agree with Salary Cap.
It might be accurate, which i don’t know, but it isn’t nice :).
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
Manning passes Phil Simms's playoff TD record.
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NFC Championship Game in San Francisco
49ers/ Giants
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I could see that.
It’d be nice to beat NY twice, but I’d rather see this team gets its shot at the defending champs.
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I like the idea for some payback
but I do like the idea of beating GB on the road
by Critical Roach on Jan 8, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
that's definitely Honey Badger mentality.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Jan 8, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
He want's to rip their nuts off?
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Still be nice to see revenge for Leonard Marshall
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Roddy threw a punch...
Kick him out
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He actually tried to go all Captian Insano and poke him in the eye on the replay
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Hopefully the Giants can knock out the Packers
and make a visit to Candlestick for the second time this year. That would be a great game for us!
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How is Ryan better than AleX again?
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He won in is first four seasons (with good coaching and good talent around him)
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
He reads a field well, patient, good arm and touch. Until AleX plays a playoff game we cannot compare.
by mcwagner on Jan 8, 2012 12:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He had a better team for his first couple of years.
I would take Alex over Ryan any day.
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well, according to what you've said
he should be better starting with the fact that he’s taken his team to the playoffs 3 out of 4 years.
So
The 49ers winning this year has little to do with Alex, but Matt Ryan winning the past couple seasons is because of him?
Again, the stats are eerily similar.
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That's how storytelling goes
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I don't
but others including many here point to W-L to help justify some wild assertions about how our QB is so good, yet shit on other QBs who have had much more team (and sometimes individual) success than AS. I think AS has been wildly more “effecitve” because of the D/ST, which is somewhat reflective in the record. That being said, since W-L are not entirely dispositve, even with our D and Smith’s (at times) solid play, we could have easily ended up 10-6 or 9-7 this year. It wouldn’t change how good the niners are or how average Alex Smith his.
I'm not one of them. Neither is Virginia9er
whom I’ve never seen make that argument. Are they totally unrelated? No. At best there’s some correllation, but it’s not a direct cause and effect.
I’d take Alex Smith over Matt Ryan any day of the week and twice on Sundays simply because I think Alex Smith will turn the ball over less and can deal with being down better.
Even the past two seasons before Jim Harbaugh came to town I would’ve taken Alex Smith over Matt Ryan.
You really don't watch the 49ers play do you?
Because Alex Smith absolutely exudes confidence when they’re down
by smileyman on Jan 8, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
Alex has the most 4th quarter comebacks in the league this year.
Also, the most road 4th quarter comeback victories on the road in NFL history for one season.
Tied with who? Oh yeah, Joe Montana.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Confidence is half the battle in the NFL.
Anybody who plays the game with a high level of confidence usually does well.
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I believe that he had next to zero
confidence prior years, but has confidence now. Enough to make big throws consistently and when we need them, I don’t feel like he does cause he rarely tries to make them.
I don’t feel like he does cause he rarely tries to make them.
I think a lot of that has to do with who is open and how often downfield.
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That's not what you said, though.
Neither QB exudes confidence in this respect.
You said he doesn’t have confidence. You didn’t say he used to have none and now does.
It also showed him singing some song...Hilarious.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
I have issues with that statistic too
but Alex clearly exudes confidence in his ability and that of the team.
Whether or not you have confidence in him is another matter entirely.
I love how Harbaugh has handled Smith.
He seen a quarterback with all the talent needed to be successfull, but none of the help or confindence he needed to do it. And he has done nothing but build his confidence from day one.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
But it is well known you think the 9ers are a 10-6 team. You pretty much discount 3 wins as plain dumb luck.
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Which is stupid since a win is a win
and even the 15-1 Packers had some wins that came from dumb luck. Heck if we want to include dumb luck, then the 49ers have lost at least three games a season for the past two seasons based on dum bluck.
We lost 3 games by pure dumb luck also.
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Whitner blown coverage in the Cowboys game… Horrible call on a cut block in the Ravens game …. and a missed FG by Akers in the Cards game… also that late challenge flag by Whizz
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We did... but we had a shot... 16 - 6 ...
If Ginn gets that TD, we still had a really good shot at winning that game… and all things considered, that should speak quite a bit about the team.
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When it was 6-6
That Ginn pass would have completely altered the game. It’s impossible to say what would have happened, but i think we would have pulled it out.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Just as much as we could be 10-6... same could be said about going undefeated
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that's the whole point
going undefeated just feeds the perception that the Pack or Pats are these invincible goliaths. You don’t get there without being really good, but the point is that records don’t lend itself to critical analysis of teams, especially with gauging future performance. People use the 13-3 to justify the fact that the Niner offense, while not spectacular, is not a problem. But as Ougadas pointed out, it is. it’s not even close. That’s all I’m trying to say. How can anyone who has watched this game feel good about the offense should the defense slip up here and there in the postseason?
Yeah... pretty much this.
We have done enough to help the defense and special teams… Falcons defense and special teams is nowhere near the same level as ours…. and just because the Falcons did horrible against the Giants (who we already beat) on the road… doesn’t = that we will lose at home because our offense is “anemic” … or whatever is being claimed.
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The 49ers offense is the weak spot on the team right now.
That being said, the offense is in the top ten (i count tied with houston for tenth as top ten) in points per game. As far as weaknesses go, it could be much, much worse.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
I think nothing of it really
I think they are a good team that, considering the context of how their games played out, could have ended up at much worse than 13-3. It just doeesn’t help illuminate how impactful Smith has been.
Luck is part of the game of football
Lots of games come down to one or two plays at the end. I think the Packers could easily be a 13-3 team like the 49ers, who could easily be a 15-1 team.
But you can’t go down that path. You have to go off the actual record when judging wins and losses, not “what should have been”.
That's just it
I don’t judge teams by W-L. I know the Pack could be 13-3 or 12-4. I know this. I addressed this a little bit ago.
How do you judge teams?
By third down conversion % or redzone percentage? By passing yards? By potential?
How do you judge them?
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
You judge offenses by how successful they are at moving the ball
There is no one catch all statistic that you can capture that with. Yardage is worthless, rate statistics are better for giving you a starting point, but it all comes down to film and fundamental football in the end because at the end of the day if you can’t explain the WHY of a statistic you don’t know what you are talking about. You are just quoting a number somebody else calculated.
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all those things need to be encoporated and scaled
with their ability to move the ball. They shouldn’t be judged on one or two stats. 3rd down and short yardage failure has been a huge factor as to why we haven’t sustained enough drives and why our FG kicker had a record setting year.
I discount 3 wins as plain dumb luck
I discounted 2 of the Patriots games to pure dumb luck in 2007.
Almost every time you win more than 10 games in this league you need a little luck — and when you lose more than 10 you’d probably give up a little of the luck you do have.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
I didn’t advocate luck wasn’t involved, of course it is. But it isn’t a valid reason to questioning a team’s record with ‘what if’ scenarios.
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I agree that we can't say a team could be better or worse
because of dumb luck.
But we also can’t say that 13-3 means you are a better team than a 12-4 or even a 10-6 team. Not until you meet on the gridiron can you settle that question.
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No you didn't
But the record is only a record of what happened. It’s little more.
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Winning a single game isn't indicative of a better team either.
Does anybody think the Rams are better than the Saints. Are the Cards better than us? Are the Chiefs better than the Packers?
Sometimes playing the game still doesn’t tell you who’s better. It tells you who’s better that day.
Success over time is a better representation of a teams intrinsic talent. Luck will even out, talent will succeed more often then not.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Oh I fully agree
But asking random chance to even out over a sample size of 16 isn’t going to happen. The sample size is too small. But if we take a large enough sample we aren’t looking at teams any longer — we are looking at franchises.
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It goes back to the idea that salary_cap has said numerous times he thinks the 49ers are more like a 10-6 team than 13-3. Which has never made much sense to me…
That is kind of what I was addressing. I mean say the team remains mostly the same, could easily be only 9-7 next year, even worse based on the schedule.
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I was listening to sports radio a couple weeks ago and this guy (no idea who he was) went on a 20 minute rant about how Jeff Garcia was a better QB than Ryan. I was in complete awe of the guy. I mean… being able to rant about Garcia for 20 minutes is an almost godlike achievement.
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by cybermaldonado on Jan 8, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Do the packers get Jenning and half of their O-line back?
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:34 PM PST reply actions
He nothing armed it...
He stopped on his route but it was still a really crappy throw
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I think Mike Mularkey is channeling his inner jimmy raye
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
I am rooting for Tebow today... screw it.
I hope he runs for like 6 TD’s and the media blows their lid.
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I'm not rooting for Tebow...
I’m rooting against the Steelers. I can’t stand the damn Steelers.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Same here.
I really don’t like Denver, but fuck the Steelers.
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I'll root for Tebow
Just because it makes Elway mad when Tebow does good.
He can’t stand that there is a QB in Denver more popular than him.
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by cybermaldonado on Jan 8, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's more to do with the fact that Tim Tebow
might supplant him as the 4th quarter comeback King
I think it has to do with
Tebow being mediocre, and the more he wins, the more the fans fall in love, and the harder it is to get rid of him. You can see the wheels turning in Elways head brodcasting “F%%K Me, how can I lose this guy”
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
I think Tebow could be a decent QB
He’s made some great throws. His decision making needs work, and he still has to learn the difference between NFL cornerbacks and college cornerbacks, but I think it would be a mistake to give up on the Tebow experiment this off-season
lol Polumalu will have something to say about that
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
If his hammy holds up...
plus he won’t have his buddy Clark back there helping him out in the secondary, so he will be creeping up a little less today I would imagine.
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you know Polumalu is always ready to "knife" in there and make a run stop
as was witnessed by us on MNF
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
That would be interesting...
Tebow/ Polumalu head to head collision.
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It would probably look like confetti or a party favor explosion.
Jesus and Tinsel flying everywhere
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That would be awesome to see..
Because I watch Polumalu, and that guy doesn’t have a care in the world for his body except to make the play. It’s almost like the opponent has to take caution for his sake
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
That's why he has been injury prone these past few years.
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agreed but unfortunately God forbid I fear the worst...
where he takes himself & the opponent out for good on one play to end their careers
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Everyone on the sidelines are hanging their heads.
So is Matty ice 0-3?
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
At least HE got them there
/sarcasm
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Context pal… let’s keep on ignoring it… because that’s much, much easier in hating him.
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because you are dismissing that individual/team achievement
when, if it were the other way around, you would be hailing an otherwise mediocre QB for getting his team to the postseason.
Well, i was talking to Alex's mom the other day...
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
I really hate Brandon Jacobs... I hope we get a chance to smash his head in again.
“They playin’ scared” about us at halftime of the first game.
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I like the nickname Tiptoe burglar for Jacobs.
He’s the size of a D-lineman but runs like he’s Chris Johnson.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
He really should have ran for some touchdowns
Before running his mouth.
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nice catch by manningham
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Their about to make it 31 - 2
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I'm only 21, but I've always hated the Falcons.
Did they use to be our rival at some point in the 90s or something? I feel like I have repressed memories of them beating us in the playoffs.
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Ah, they beat us in the Divisional round in '99. That must be the root of it.
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They used to be in our division
from the beginning of the NFC West in 1967 until 2002.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Yep, them too.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
There was also Billy Joe Toliver's Hail Mary
Which is the WORST I have ever felt after a football game.
And the award for the team who had no business being in this year's playoffs goes to...
The Atlanta Falcons! Congratulations!
The SF 49ers
They have no offense after all…
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Hyperbole much? We are 10th in PPG. That means we have a top 10 offense.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Well, so was I, just differently :)
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
I'm, for the most part, always sarcastic.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
seriously?
The whole point of the offense is to score points. That’s really what everything comes down to.
It’s like saying that a team’s win loss record is a poor way to evaluate their record—oh wait, you did say that. Never mind then.
said W-L is poor way to evaluate quality of team
Points is at bottom most important, but things the team does to put you in position to score is also important. And its’ important when you’re FG kicker scores almost as much as your QB becaues the QB’s offense can’t convert 3rd downs and short yardage plays generally.
The Q.B's offense?
You think it’s Alex’s fault we cant convert on third down? It’s not the fact that the O-line get’s blown off the ball on third and 2? Or that recievers drop perfectly placed balls? Or that we run it twice on 1st and 2nd, and get into 3rd and long? It’s not anybody but the QB? That is reaching.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
And you replied to me,
which was that we are 10th in ppg. It seems you were saying that Points scored is a poor way to evaluate the offense.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 8, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
I think
the Falcons would have liked a few of those FGs today
Giants
were 25th in points allowed and 27th in yds allowed. To get shut out by them is an embarrassment. That would be like losing to Tampa and St. Louis….
by musamonster on Jan 8, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Honorable mention?
The Tebow factor held them back from snagging it. Fail or flourish, it’ll be pure entertainment to watch.
yeah, that close up lingered kinda long there
the director really was hoping to catch some tears.
When I think Green Bay Packers
I think Ryan Grant.
There you go keep dinking & dunking with an occasional personal foul
that will get you back into the game mike mularkey
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damn Falcons gambled so much
All those picks for Julio and nothing to show for…
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by Giants49war on Jan 8, 2012 12:55 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Eh, a #5 wild card in a good division isn't nothing.
Last year they won quite a few close games, it was inevitable they would regress.
They had the best record in the NFC last year
so this was sort of a step down
I have to say I feel bad for Tony Gonzalez
One of the best TEs ever yet will be 0-5 in the playoffs after this game.
It takes a big QB like Ryan
to put up no points on offense.
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Yup , you just saw it ...!!
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Never in the history of the NFL
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Wouldn't be surprised if they Fired Mike Smith ...
… Three one and done’s and then all those draft picks for a Wr , when they obvicously needed some help up front …!!
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If I was Mike Smith, I would punch Mike Mularkey in the mouth...
ala. Tom Cable
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Forgot , who did Cable smack ...!!
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randy hanson....defensive assistant at the time
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 8, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
giants won a home game
amazing
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"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
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Ok everyone, time to migrate to the other thread
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Silly Shannon Sharpe just said the Steelers had the #1 rush defense
he must be smoking crack, everyone knows it’s the Niners
it is only his job to know
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"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 8, 2012 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Dude... it's Shannon Sharpe... not Sterling...
Shannon has always been a moron and Sterling the more reserved and intelligent.
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E Manning is good
but he has lots of bad games but you wouldn’t know it by how media talks about him. He was a TO machine last year. You’re never out of it with him at QB, but playing in NY, winning a SB, no matter how long ago, seems to always provide a veneer of elitism around Manning that probably shouldn’t exist.
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