Ask a Saints Fan - Playoff Edition
Good day Niners fans! Grumps from Canal Street Chronicles here.
First let me start off by congratulating you on a great regular season record and a "welcome back to the playoffs". You have to love the direction of your franchise and it all starts with getting your hands on Jim Harbaugh. What a difference a great coach makes.
Now to business. After our win over the Detroit Lions this past Saturday, the Saints are off to face the 49ers this Saturday in the early game. Will the elements at Candlestick be a factor? Will the Niners D be able to slow down Drew Brees and Company? Will Frank Gore run wild?
Discuss all these points and more right here. If you have any questions about the Saints, ask away and someone should be around to answer your questions shortly.
Here's to a great game this weekend.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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Which game were you more nervous for...
the Lions last week or the 49ers this week? It’s just interesting to me to see if an opponent with a potent offense or defense scares you more as a fan base.
Honestly?
The Lions game had me very nervous. Calvin Johnson and Matthew Stafford is a dangerous connection and the way our Defense is designed to play, high scoring Offenses with the ability to trade punch for punch can make things very interesting. Truth be told, they are very similar to us in Offensive style. That being said, I wasn’t really looking past the game at hand.
However. it’s a new challenge for us now. I am excited to see how our Offense matches up against a crazy Defense. A buddy of mine is a massive diehard 49ers fan so we have been talking up this game non-stop. I will be nervous once again come Saturday no matter what.
So far very few D’s have been able to quiet the Saints, especially in this last 4 game stretch (42, 45, 45 and 45 points scored).
I
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I would think playing on the road would make you more nervous
The Saints have been almost unstoppable at home having scored 40 points or more in 6 of their 9 games, and having won by 11 points or more in every home game but one. On the road however, the Saints are a different team. They’re 5-3 and have scored more than 40 points in only one game when they beat the Vikings, who also play in a dome, 42-20. In their 8 road games they were held to under 23 points in regulation 5 times and only had 1 other victory besides the Vikings of over 11 points when the beat the Jags 23-10.
They now have to play against the best defense they’ve faced all year and they’re playing on a grass field that’s below sea level which will make it very slow. In retrospect, do you still feel like the Lions should have made you more nervous than the 49ers?
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by urnext on Jan 9, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Yep
You guys live and die by your D. Power to you. Being a fan of our team, Offense is what we live and breathe. I am more worried about a team that can drop a tonne of points than a team with a stingy D. That’s my opinion. Take it or leave it.
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Your "opinion" is ignoring facts in that you aren't the offensive juggernaut that you are at home or in other domes.
That is all anyone has been trying to point out here. A lot of Saints fans want to ignore this very important detail.. and that’s fine… and as most have said, we will see what is what on Saturday.
I think our offense at home can be pretty good as well.
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Wow
I am getting beaked at for my opinion of which game I was more concerned with and being told I am ignoring facts. Are you just hoping beyond hope that I switch to the niners? To late for that.
If you don’t want to hear “my opinion”, or rationale why, then ignore it. You will not change my historical opinion because you want me to review stats.
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Fair
Another opinion question then: Are you worried because this game is not at home, or do you expect to see the same team at Candlestick that you have seen at the Superdome all season? (Try saying that 10 times fast)
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 10, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Yes and no
Of course playing at Candlestick is to your advantage both for the crowd and the turf that you are used to playing on. Fully concede these points. Any Saints fan disagreeing with these is not thinking clearly. Would I prefer this game be played in the Dome? No question. But that is not to be.
On the other hand, I do expect the Saints Offense to play well, stats or history being what they are against road teams or playing outside. The recent Saints play has me believing that the Saints Offense is clicking in every facet. From what I hear, the weather conditions should not be anything other than pleasant, so I don’t see the elements playing a huge factor other than the difference in turf. I agree that your D is going to be a great test. But I just have that much respect for what Drew has been able to do all year with his array of options. I can’t just see them stalling out. Maybe your Defense will be able to stall him, we shall find out.
I haven’t watched enough of your games to truly know what weaknesses your team has to fully elaborate, just as I am sure most of you have not watched our team as intently as we have.
Just as many of you seem to think Harbaugh has some tricks up his sleeve, you also have to believe that Sean Payton and Gregg Williams will have something planned for you. Second half adjustments will be key in my opinion. I don’t know how well your team does that, but I can tell you that ours does it very well as of late.
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Great response, thanks much
I’ve actually followed the Saints reasonably closely over the years- relatives from Louisiana, and also, just since Hurricane Katrina, have been positively inclined for pretty much all things N’awlins.
Favorite Saints game ever? The beatdown of Old Man Favre in the NFC championship game. I almost felt bad for him, and I HATE Wranglers McDicktext.
So, I like New Orleans, and I generally wish the Saints well, as secondary teams go. Except Saturday. There, I wish only that your team returns home cursing the name(s) “Smith”, to no avail.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 10, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
We have such an objection on NN
to saying his name, and I think rightly so. Unless it’s preceded immediately by “Old Man”.
Wranglers McDicktext is my preferred term, and I think it’s a good one- borrow it freely, and spread it far and wide.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 10, 2012 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
so I don’t see the elements playing a huge factor other than the difference in turf
There is always swirling winds at the ‘Stick. Don’t think Brees and Co. has had to endure that and account for that in their aerial assault on anyone yet.
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not always
It can get nasty, but there have been some absolutely gorgeous wind-free days. I went to the 49ers-Rams game this year and I could feel virtually no wind. Ideally there will be a fair amount of wind though.
by David Fucillo on Jan 10, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Whenever I watch a game... which has pretty much been ALL of them since I was a child
It seems as thought he flags always have some sort of movement. I would say that it is a very, VERY rare thing to have zero wind at the ’Stick…
Point remains the same… it’s not going to be some kind of “still” environment for them to play in.
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I don’t think the wind will be much of a factor if at all this Saturday. When I think of the Stick in December/January I think more of the heavy air. The wind is only an issue after 5:00 which won’t be a factor unless both we and the Giants win since the NFC Championship is the late game the following Sunday.
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Anything can happen really.
There’s 3 days or so before the game. It says “calm” and for the forecast now, but you just never know. Meteorologists don’t get things right 100% of the time.
We’ll see I suppose. Either way, the field will be different from any other grass they’ve played on this year. So they’ll have that at a minimum to deal with as they did last MNF game.
See what I mean, just checked (update – partly cloudy and wind when there was none before):

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Up to a 10% chance of rain now haha... Keep praying to the weather Gods

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I feel that the sample size is actually quite small, all things considered
Thinking about the games the Saints have played outdoors this year:
1 @GB L 34-42
2 @JAC W 23-10
3 @CAR W 30-27
4 @TB L 23-26
5 @TEN W 22-17
1. The Green Bay game produced a lot of offense, but it was against the Green Bay defense, so not exactly surprising. Also the weather was nice
2. The Jacksonville game was just a bad game…their defense showed up for the first 3 quarters. But we also still had offensive line issues
3. The Carolina game had a surprisingly good Panthers team, and it was a ver windy day. A lot of passes were off target from both QBs
4. @Tampa Bay, there were still those O-Line issues, plus that was the game Sean Payton got injured in
5. The game at Tennessee was what scared me most going into it. I had a feeling it would be a relatively easy win if Jake Locker didn’t come in, but he did, and had a lot of success against the Saints defense. Plus it was a cold day
See the Saints aren’t as indisputably bad outdoors that everyone seems to think they are. However, I think this game will be a combination of the Jacksonville and Tennessee games in that it will be frustrating offensively, but there will be one or two huge offensive plays that get things going for the Saints. If they can do a good job limiting Smith and Gore, then the win will be easy, but if not, it will be a had fought battle all the way to the end.
That being said, I’m not really worried that the game isn’t at home, but I definitely don’t expect Greatest Show on (astro)Turf material. I’m more worried about the defense. If they play the way they have been playing recently, then this game shouldn’t be that bad…Who knows…
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I wouldnt list the Rams game to
That was a bad loss for the Saints
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It also was inside...
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Not gonna lie... I am VERY excited...
Since 2002… I am pumped and Saturday cannot come quick enough.
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Your opinion is shared by the majority of experts
I don’t agree with it but that has been the mantra all season when discussing who was most likely to derail the Packers. At various points it was assumed that the Saints, Eagles, Cowboys, Bears, or Giants were best equipped due to their ability to put up so many points.
I’ve never supported this theory since history has shown that the type of teams to successfully upset historically dominant offenses (‘07 Patriots, ’01 Rams, ’98 Vikings) QB dominant offenses (’10 Patriots, ‘08 Colts, ’06 Saints, ’05 Colts, ’03 Rams) or nearly upset them (’99 Rams) were all done by teams led by their defense & special teams and more dependent on their running game than QB. It’s near impossible to beat someone who is the best at what they do by competing with their strengths. One must be different and able to counter by suppressing their strangths and attacking their weaknesses. IMO, the 49ers are the lone NFC team that can defeat that type of offense dependent team.
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It’s the 49ers for me.
Our defense is better than most people give us credit for (and we like it that way), and we had already beaten them by 3 scores a few weeks earlier…
You guys are the unknown… with a chance to slow down the most prolific offense in NFL history. (I’m not saying it’s gonna happen, but it will be our biggest test on offense.)
Same could be said for the 49ers:
Ourdefenseoffense is better than most people give us credit for (and we like it that way),
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Both guards are all-pros. This does not happen. Thoughts and feelings about this. Are they deserving and do you think they can handle our own all-pro?
by mcwagner on Jan 9, 2012 9:46 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Carl Nicks and Jahri Evans are the primary reason Brees is able to step up into clean pockets and see his receivers. Plus, both of them can be road graders in the run game (especially Nicks, who has a serious mean streak). They’re certainly deserving. Can they handle Justin Smith? Depends where he plays and how they plan to block him.
Bear in mind, we played against Houston (2nd overall defense) and against Jacksonville (6th overall defense), the latter on the road. We beat both of them. It was early in the season, but I don’t think that’s really much of a factor…because it was early in the season for us, too.
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If you watch the game played recently, the Saints are throwing a tonne of help in chipping DE’s to help out the tackles. Graham and Sproles (believe it or not) are lining up to chip up rushing ends just enough to break their path and stride. Fairly effectively neutralizing the Lions D-line.
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Houston (2nd overall defense) and against Jacksonville (6th overall defense), the latter on the road.
You also got beat by the Rams and the Bucs…
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Correct
And since that embarassing loss to the Rams the Saints have won every single game. The O-line was sloppy in that game and has kept Drew upright and pretty clean ever since. That was a huge wake-up call to the line and they realized it was their fault.
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So they've been invincible is what you're claiming?
And they will be?
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Hardly invincible
But playing extremely well. As mentioned before. The Offense is clicking, including the O-line allowing Brees to make his reads. We have done well against good pass rush (i.e. Lions, Giants, etc). It will be interesting to see how they do against yours.
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Do the Lions really have a good pass rush?
I ask because that’s repeated often all season and, outside of their home games when they have a crowd advantage, I haven’t seen it. The same could also be said for the Giants though I think NY has a legit excuse in that they’ve had injuries to two of their three best rushers.
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The lions are like the niners pass rush the last couple years before this one...
They have a couple guys that can wreak havoc, but they are not nearly consistent enough to slow down good QBs…
The Giants pass rush is now healthy in the playoffs and have 7 pro bowls on their nickel d-line… That can be scary…
Luckily we have a very consistent rush this season, doing it mostly with our front 4… We cannot let Brees get comfortable…
The Lions pass rush is very overrated
People were getting very high on them pre-season with Avril and Suh and Fairley, but they’re not as good as people think. Brees had all the time in the world to throw even when they blitzed. The Niners have a much more consistent pass rush that’s also MUCH more effective against the run, and allows us to drop guys back in coverage more often.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 9, 2012 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly...
Justin and Aldon will be all up in Brees’ business all game… Our line will make you uncomfortable and will shut down the underneath passes…
We are WAAAAAAY better on defense than the Lions…
Totally different scheme.
4-3 vs 3-4 … Just about every guy on our defense is a playmaker in their own light…. every single one of them has the ability to change the game.
Our offense though does much better against 4-3 defensive schemes… particularly in running the ball.
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Absolutely, and that is why we can get consistent pressure this year...
We do seem to dominate much better at the line than when our guys have to get onto linebackers in the second level…
Regardless, my point is that our pressure and linebacker coverage is far superior to the Giants or Lions…
“Our offense though does much better against 4-3 defensive schemes”
Good thing we play a lot of 3-4… we have a base 4-3, no doubt. But GW likes to mix things up.. sometimes he does CRAZY s*** and you’ll get a TD off it if you’re fast enough to catch it. :-(
ah hem...
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This.
If he blitzes as much as people say, it’ll be a matter if time before Alex finds VD or one of the speedy receivers over the middle.
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I am sure they are accounting for this...
If Smith sees both safeties creeping up and either Williams or Ginn is on the edge, that’s gonna get checked to a 9 real quick.
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VD will likely be double covered half the time, but you are 100% right…. he will get his opportunities when we send more people than we should.
Good.
We want Crabtree one-on-one instead.
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what does that have to do with the defensive scheme that we play…. b/c that’s what this particular discussion is about.
Ummmm IDK... someone mentioned something about speed for our guys.
and you’ll get a TD off it if you’re fast enough to catch it. :-(
We have a few guys. That was the response.
Clear enough that time?
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The Vikings have a good pass rush, no? (hint: Mullet Man almost got the single season sack record this year… our all pro-guards and LT kept him and his fellow lineman in check.)
1 person does not make for a good pass rush.
It takes 7 guys up front to make up a “good” pass rush. “Mullet Man” as you reference him as, had phenomenal games against teams with not-so-great offensive lines.
He also had 6 sacks total against the Lions.
And the game where he got 3.5 sacks was against an injury plagued Chicago Bears offense that couldn’t do anything.
But the main point is that, 1 person does not make for a good pass rush. When you have a legitimate 4-5 guys that can get after the QB, then that’s a “good” pass rush.
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They'll learn Saturday....
What a good pass rushing DLine is. And it’ll shock them even more when they realize you don’t have to blitz like crazy to get good pressure.
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They're good enough to make Oline adjustments...
But Aldon has those long ol’ arms to where the offensive lineman can’t even reach him… If he get’s leverage, it’s gonna be a long day for whoever he is going against.
I also noticed that from the beginning of the year to now, he has gained some muscle mass… so that, combined with those super long arms, that’s trouble for anyone having to fight that off.
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do your guys rush from the outside often?
or, where does most of the pressure usually come from?
(I’m not suggesting that you can’t rush from the other, I’m just curious about what’s “typical”.)
where does most of the pressure usually come from?
All over the place… wherever Fangio sees a weakness that day. Once he finds it, he exploits it the rest of the day.
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And
Aldon and Justin Smith line up sometimes on the right, sometimes on the left depending on what is going on. And then there’s certain times where Bowman or Willis will fly in.
Willis shot in untouched last year and got Brees if you recall. Because of your blocking scheme, we were able to do a lot on defense last year. You guys upgraded with Graham and Sproles but outside of them, it’s virtually the same offensive personnel, is it not?
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Well
We have both ILBs as all-pros… :P
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 9, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
This Niners D gives up only 14 points a game
I expect the Saints to surpass that mark but I will be shocked if they put up more than 28 against us. The Lions dropped 2 INT’s that I saw and also got 2 fumble recoveries. The Niners have excelled at taking the ball away and do a great job on special teams. All the talk is about the Saints offense but they will be playing in the mud at the Stick against a top 3 defense. This Niners have the firepower on defense to stop Drew Brees and that offfense and I think it is not by accident that we are the #2 seed. I think we will win a close game that will come down to our defense getting a big stop in the 4th quarter.
Call me cautiously optimistic....because I know what the Niners do to people who have real optimism (see the last 8 years).
The Saints also had missed opportunities. Those things happen every game, and they tend to even out. If you want to play “woulda, coulda, shoulda” you’re totally outclassed, because the Saints are the all-time kings of that game. (And a lot of it is courtesy to you guys and that Montana dude.)
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This game will be a lot like last years MNF game
I think it will be a tough, physical game and it will come down to our D stopping Drew Brees or Brees getting it done. I agree about the woulda coulda stuff but we did lead the league in turnover differential so that part of my argument is backed up. Still, we gotta play our best game to win and so will the Saints.
Call me cautiously optimistic....because I know what the Niners do to people who have real optimism (see the last 8 years).
That game is the best comparison for these two teams
Both have obviously improved since then (Sproles addition, Graham improvement in NOLA / upgraded Niners defense, special teams and coaching) but the style and game plans of both will likely be similar. That it was a night game gave it a playoff-light feel.
The Saints have been held under 300 yards total offense only twice in the past two seasons. Once was the loss @ STL. The other was the 2010 game in SF. Shocking still that the Niners did that while committing five turnovers yet forcing zero. Alter those numbers and the game result gets flipped Saturday. Should be fun.
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Redzone Defense will be a HUGE in this game.
They could rack up 700 total yards in offense for all I care… as long as we are not letting them get in the endzone for 6.
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Saints rank 28th in red zone TD defense
The Niners have won 13 games with poor red zone offense. Should they have one game where they out-perform their average, say 3TDs in 4 chances, that’s 24 points. Any TD or FG scored from outside the red zone adds to that and puts them in the 30+ point range. This is more likely to happen against a low ranked RZ defense, something that recent opponents (Cardinals, Seahawks) were not.
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We've been 6 for 9 in the redzone since the 1st team offense started practicing against the 1st team defense.
67% is not horrible for our offense and pretty consistent for the past couple games.
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reggie bush>sproles all day!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 9, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know why... but I this keeps replaying in my head every time I think about Sproles and Willis colliding at some point
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ6H9o0lpvA
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That's fair
I, however, tend to think of THIS one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLgg2AktVpU
Lewis has better timing (experience) and double homicide ability, but our #52 has entirely ridiculous speed for his size.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 10, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
True ... That wasn't the play where Bush broke his leg obviously.
I don’t even remember what happened on that one. Did Bush just bend weird when he went down?
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He hit the ground And his leg was still up like a teenage girl on the telephone
And someone fell on it..
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I just noticed that all his attention was turned toward Justin Smith and he totally ignored Willis
on that play… that is always a bad idea…. I mean both can hit super hard… but Willis runs a 4.4. and hits like a freight train. Either way, it was a lose-lose for Bush.
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I love how Willis bench presses him afterwards lol
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by SanFranciscoKnights on Jan 11, 2012 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
They might collide, but it won’t be because one of the two best guards in football missed his block altogether. :-)
They did it in the last MNF game against you guys in 2010...
It can happen… I’ve seen it.
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“They might collide”….. did you get that?
(You seem to be NN version of our own coldpizza… except you don’t write novela length replies… thank you for that.)
I do sometimes when it is worthy enough.
But anyhow… I am a fan of my team. We have trolls here who patrol these boards and do that often enough… although they have been M.I.A. this week…
They would undoubtedly be on every single Saints fans arguments… even the outrageous far-fetched ones.
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Clutch would be all over it. LoL
He has a man crush on Brees. Has all season.
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I think anyone would if they have him on their team.
But he’s not our QB… he’s the oppositions QB.
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Are you serious?
I am assuming that “>” is a typo and in the wrong direction.
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by Grumps on Jan 9, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Good lord I hope so.
I loved what Reggie could do, but Sproles does all of that, with more durability and less cost.
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by Grumps on Jan 9, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah...
That said, Reggie Bush had himself a very solid season with the Dolphins.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 9, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
yes, serious
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 10, 2012 1:17 AM PST up reply actions
Really? I mean really?
Sproles is light year better than Reggie. Better between the tackles Punts and Kick-offs catching the ball and YAC. All for less money less injuries and no off the field drama. Are you just a USC homer?
do not like usc
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 10, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
LOL... now that's funny right there.
Darren Sproles is everything that Reggie Bush was supposed to be… but never was.
Yeah... not
Bush was huge in your Superbowl run, if inexplicably u don’t remember, was critical in more than one Saints regular season victory I witnessed (e.g. against us last year), and no way does Sproles revitalize the Fins running game as an every down back the way Bush did this year. He simply hasn’t got the ballast, and nor is as as instinctive of a runner. All told, genuinely I think Bush is the better of those two v. good players.
Now, Sproles may actually be an even better fit with NO than Bush had become by last year, I’d even grant that’s likely, but it’s not the only dimension by which to evaluate a player. Plus, not for nothing, but Graham is a force who’s been absolutely instrumental in opening up that offense to everyone else. It flatters players when they are one of five equally potent weapons, rather than wearing a target on their jersey. See, e.g. The greatest show on turf. So I would argue that the comparison is unduly flattering of Sproles.
sproles had a good year with a great quartback
reggie bush left new orleans and had a great year, the best year of his career, with a horrible team. Bush was clearly used wrong and mistreated in new orleans. I would rather have reggie bush over darren sproles every single time; especially not playing on artificial turf.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 10, 2012 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
Bush was just injury prone... and that has been his problem.
Sproles is exactly what they wanted to do because they don’t have “feature backs”. They are a running back by committee.. and I will be very surprised if Mark Ingram wants to stay in New Orleans after his rookie contract is up unless Brees retires by then and he is going to be considered as the “bell cow”.
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was bush injuried "prone" in miami?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 10, 2012 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
I think he got injured at the end of the year.
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Guess I was wrong… I thought he had missed a small fraction of time. Maybe he just went out for one game during and was back the next week or something like that then. I coulda sworn he got injured.
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Darren lasted 16 straight games in NOLA…. Reggie never did (well, maybe his rookie year).
And, yes he did have a good year because he was the focal point of the offense… In case you haven’t noticed, Drew Brees is the focal point of ours… not Sproles, not Colston or Graham or any other player.
So then who will be out?
You just drafted Ingram, right? And isn’t Thomas a FA after this year?
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no one’s out… Thomas just signed a 3 yr as well.
after last year’s debacle in the playoffs (largely due to the loss of all three starting RB’) our personnel manager and head coach want to make sure that position is covered.
I thought drafting Ingram was a huge mistake.
Waste of a first-round pick, and a second I think it was. Saints already had Pierre Thomas, Ivory and Sproles. There was absolutely no need for a fourth running back, especially one in the first-round when there are so many talented running backs in the latter rounds.
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This is why, if they stay with the same philosophy..
Why I think Ingram will want outta there when his rookie contract expires… he will want to be a “feature back”.
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Have you been impressed with Ingram at all anyways?
I like Pierre Thomas as a running back a lot more, that’s for certain.
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he’s a rookie, that hasn’t gotten all that much playing time… and he was still our leading rusher before he got hurt.
Sean Payton said something to the effect of, “Ingram could be the offensive rookie of the year (he’s that good), if it weren’t for me.”
meaning his playcalling and the use of RB by committee.
Yeah. But the sample size was small.
I just get the feeling that the whole RBBC is not gonna fly with him for long.. he is a No. 1 draft pick and is going to want his carries…
His yards are not going to be what they can be with that philosophy and he will get paid less on his vet contract because of it.
While he is still young, I think he will want to go somewhere where he can be the focal point for the ground game.
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that’s what we thought the year before… when we had injuries to all three of our starters (and one of the scrubs).
Just a few examples of better running backs in that draft.
Certainly Ryan Williams (unfortunate he got injured, Daniel Thomas, DeMarco Murray and Kendall Hunter just from what I remember, could have been taken later in the draft.
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last year it came down to turnovers, the niners gave the ball up too easily!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 9, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
Just wanted to compliment something at CSC
Whomever did the “Two Soon” Matt Ryan pic, that was hillarious. Great rivalry stuff and quite appropriate.
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by SpurredOn on Jan 9, 2012 10:31 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Where is your defense lacking and where is it impressive?
Can the 49ers score 28 points on your defense? If so, will they be doing more of it on the ground or in the air?
I haven’t seen anything that has blown me away from the Saints D. I think this game is going to be a 31-28 type of game. Makes me a bit nervous!
Simply put
Its a bend don’t break Defense. They will give up a tonne of yards through the air in the middle of the field, and then tighten up in the red zone holding many opportunities to FG’s instead of TD’s. Alex Smith will have impressive passing yards I have no doubt, but your ability to capitalize your red zone chances will be what wins the game for you. FG’s likely will not be enough. You will need to score TD’s when you get the chance.
Can your team score 28 on us? Well of course that is possible but seems that to do that it will need to be a huge game from you. The Lions game was the highest scoring team in a while with their 28 points. Last team to crack more than 20 points against us was the Vikings with 20 in week 15 and then the Giants with 24 in week 12.
The Saints D has been pretty decent against the run lately (minimizing impacts of CJ2K, AP, Michael Turner, etc). But that can be a result in part of teams abandoning the run to try to catch up. My thought is that you are likely going to score in the air. Davis and Crabtree will have to have big games.
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My thought is that you are likely going to score in the air. Davis and Crabtree will have to have big games.
I don’t think this is Harbaugh’s game plan; if it is, we’ll probably lose. The way the 49ers will win this game is if we play (mostly) on our terms. Ball control, no mistakes, exceptional special teams, and defense, defense, defense.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Jan 9, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Scoring 28 or more
The Niners are a bit of an opposite of Atlanta: while the Falcons rack up yards they don’t score many points. The Niners don’t rank high in yards gained but were the 11th highest scoring team (26 points from being 7th). If they are playing a lesser defense and are able to rack up yardage it should mean that points scored will not be a huge issue.
Though the Niners’ offense is clearly yet not in the Saints/Packers/Patriots realm, part of the reason for that this season is due to their opponents. The Niners have played the top defenses nearly half their games (7) this season (6 of top 10 in yards and points; Niners were 4th in yards, 2nd in fewest points). That they could run the ball so effectively on the Seahawks in Seattle and score 20 against the Steelers (fewest points scored at home this season) I don’t expect that to be the issue. if they are able to get any big plays in the kick return department and/or force multiple turnovers, I expect the Niners to score anywhere from 30-37 points.
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Interesting
In regard to your comment about:
I expect the Niners to score anywhere from 30-37 points.
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You would be the fourth team to crack 30 on us this season then: Green Bay with 42 in week 1, Houston with 33 in week 3 and then the Rams with 31 in week 8. Is it possible? Of course. Is it likely in my opinion? No.
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You forgot the qualifier
I expect the Niners to do as they’ve done this season. Against a defense such as that of NO, 24 or 27 points would be the Niners’ norm. The qualifier is to add in a TD from kick return or defense, or a couple turnovers that sets the Niners up inside the 20, that would be the extra boost to 31 or 34. Those turnovers likely happen if the Niners are leading in the game and make the Saints more predictable and force them to take expected chances. They likely do not happen if the Saints jump out front and can dictate the game which makes the Niners more predictable.
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Well
We can go on for days about hypothteticals. I am just saying only three teams have surpassed that mark this year so far against us and your team has only bested 30 three times this year. Detroit, with a very potent passing game was unable to surpass that mark on Saturday even with two turnovers. Once again. Is it possible? Of course. But your comment aside, I still don’t see it happening.
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All things are hypotheticals
But I’m not reaching for unlikely possibilities (Alex throws for 450 yards!). It is likely that Brees will complete a pass or two that goes for 20+ yards. It is likely that the Niners will intercept Brees once or twice. The former is less likely to happen if the Niners have the lead and need not take uncalculated risks. The latter is less likely to happen if the Saints lead and can take calculated shots.
The Niners have set up their offense all season with the kicking game and defense controlling field position. When they’ve scored on defense or ST they’ve scored more than 30 points. The Lions had a fumble return TD in their hands that never counted b/c an official mistakenly blew his whistle. I’d expect such an opportunity to be available to the Niners since that’s how they play just as much as I expect Brees to complete a high percentage of his passes regardless of distance since that’s how the offense plays.
Again, if such an occurance happens it would make sense that the Niners score 30+ and do better than prior Saints opponents. Without such an extra score, we’re back to the Niners in that 24-27 range. Without an incorrect whistle, the Lions would’ve had 35 in the Superdome. The Niners’ point total at home can and is likely to mirror that total in such a scenario which is more likely for them to accomlish than it was for any prior Saints opponent.
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Fair enough
I suppose we shall find out on Saturday.
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by Grumps on Jan 9, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Texans and the Rams ran the ball well on you guys in those games.
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lets see how improved it is on Saturday.
Frank the tank is rested and ready to go!!
I can see Frank easily getting over 175 yards on the ground on Saturday!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 10, 2012 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
It's 65 yards more than he got last year.
Not to say he will come close to it… but if he breaks a couple of long ones, you just never know… two 60+ yard runs puts him right in range of that or more.
It’s not totally far-fetched… although I, myself would predict probably in between 100-110… with a couple of TD’s… maybe 1 on the ground, 1 screen.
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And...
Probably 30-40 receiving, or so.
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Yeah... but FRANK GORE TRYING TO CATCH THE BALL
Honestly, your 175 comment up above is silly. I don’t think Frank’s 100%, and in fact I don’t think he has been since week 7 or so.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 10, 2012 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think it was the same guy...
Drew said 100-110 and 2ish TDS… That’s about my guess too…
Drew didn't predict 175
hungry hunter did
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
Right, sry
My bad
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 10, 2012 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
What leads you to believe that Frank will not be 100%
With 2 weeks of rest? He also did not play the entire Rams game to keep him off his legs if you recall… so that’s like more than 2 weeks pretty much.
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He's had most of a month to recover to be honest.
Frank’ll be fine by Saturday.
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Well it musta been really, really atrocious before those games then because your average is 5.0 per carry.
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On the surface that looks good.
(All numbers taking away kneeldowns at the end of games)
Opponents up to the rams game:
178/997 5.6y/c 7tds
Opponents after the rams game:
165/753 4.6 y/c 4tds
4.6 yards/carry is still not all that good. Also, in those last 8 games the Saints played the Giants(32nd in rushing yards and Y/C in the NFL), Tennessee(31st in rushing yards, 29th in y/c), TB(30th in rushing yards), Det(29th in rushing yards), 2 games against Atl(21st in y/c, 17th in rushing yards), and then Minn, and Carolina(both in the top 5 in rushing attacks). 4 games against the worst running teams in the nfl, 2 against a middle of the pack team, and then 2 really good rushing teams. Kinda explains how the numbers might have gone down from the first 8 games.
it's somewhat unsurprising
that the Saints would allow fewer rushing Y/C (and TDs) in games that they were undefeated in. They were 5-3 through the Rams game and 8-0 after.
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27.8 points per game at home.
It’s right there…. while the Saints on grass have only averaged 25.6
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Alex Smith will have impressive passing yards I have no doubt
Huh?
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by Drew Kerr on Jan 9, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
What don't you get?
Our pass D allows a lot of yards through the air but limits points. Most QB’s get good yards against us. What don’t you understand?
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Why you would think that Smith will do that against you... he hasn't against some pretty bad secondaries.
I don’t think your is the worst in the league, or is it?
Besides, it’s just not really our style of football to pass a lot. We aren’t gonna get in to a shootout with the Saints.
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Because it seems that is our weakness
We have stopped quite a few good run first teams who then resort to the pass or we get a lead and the teams are forced to air it out.
Case in point. Jake Locker against the Saints went 13 for 29 for 282. The Saints D just allows the yards to prevent the big play and then clamps down in the redzone.
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I know nothing of this game
The only thing I know are the stats you just gave.
But 13/29 for 282 seems like the opposite of stopping the big play.
He averaged 21 yards per completion and over 9 per attempt (which is higher than Aaron Rodgers who led the league at 9.2).
If he went 23/29 for 282 for about 12 yards per completion lots of dump offs nothing down the field that would make sense.
Joe, Jerry, Steve, and....Who is next?
We have stopped quite a few good run first teams
You guys are allowing opposing rushers 5.0 a carry… is that considered “stopping” from where you stand?
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that’s YPC… not 3rd/4th down stops… and it ignore the fact that many team abandon the run because we have a lead.
and it ignore the fact that many team abandon the run because we have a lead.
At home…. AT HOME! …C’mon man… let’s get some context in to the conversation for the love of Tebow!
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lol.. you are funny, dude.
We held Chris Johnson (and the rest of the Titans to 59 yards in TEN.
We held Adrian Peterson (and the rest of the to 105 yards in MIN.
Of course we did give up 208 yards to Stewart and Williams in CAR… but we still won 45 to 17.
I doubt we'll deviate from our original game plan
In the game against the Eagles, we were down 23-3 and came back, not by going pass-wacky but by simply staying with our original game plan. This team isn’t one to panic and abandon the run the second we are losing.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 10, 2012 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
They tightened up and made adjustments on defense.
And basically stayed true on offense. They did make adjustments though on offense… just not to “concept” … they did some differnet things schematically to give us the advantage.
That’s one thing that has not been talked about a lot is the halftime adjustments… this is one of the reasons Sean Payton said there is not a close second place to Harbaugh being the coach of the year.
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that's good (not sarcasm)
it’s a testament to the faith your OC has in your team… and he knows he has a great defense to back it up.
Who is your OC/playcaller?
It is still somewhat of a mystery (apparently this goes back to Stanford too). Greg Roman is the OC, but all the plays come from him up in the booth down to Harbaugh then in to Alex. So Harbaugh has plenty of input too.
There’s been mentions of certain plays at particular times being called by other offensive assistants too, if they see something they like.
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by Virginia9er on Jan 10, 2012 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
I thought you guys only won by like 3 in Carolina, or something like that?
You must have meant at your place which was 45 – 17, right?
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But I noticed that Williams had like 115 or something when I looked
in the game at Carolina… Did they do that in both games against you?
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And then your "case in point"
Is using a rookie that came in, in relief, for the injured starter who you all had game planned against… That’s kind of a wacky circumstance I would say. Hasselbeck is not a scrambler like Locker, so when you had to adjust on the fly, that’s what inflated the numbers…
Also… Chris Johnson had an off year against virtually everyone… he was not himself…opposed to Frank Gore having the second best year of his career outside of his 2nd… but like you all, we have more than one running back that can cut you.
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" it’s just not really our style of football to pass a lot"
when we take away limit your run game, we’ll force Alex to pass… and then we’ll give up yards… if he can make quick decisions and get the ball to the open man, because there will be one.
Frank Gore ran all over you guys last year... 20 carries for 115 yards or something like that.
Your defense is worse than it was a year ago… and much worse than it was in 2009.
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I think Frank will be a huge factor Saturday
he’s had a lot of rest the past few weeks and I know he’s going to be fired up playing in his first playoff game.
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
Oh yeah...
He’s going balls to the wall…. a lot of them will. Particularly guys like Justin Smith, Vernon Davis, and Alex Smith… guys who have been around for a minute…. then you have a couple of guys like Carlos Rogers who are on 1-year deals and on a national stage… they are gonna “play for pay” so-to-speak.
I just think a lot of our players have a lot more to prove. The Saints will play hard no question… but I just think our team may be more hungry.
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“Your defense is worse than it was a year ago”
this is 100% incorrect… but, lol
“and much worse than it was in 2009.”
it’s different, that’s for sure… but many (who love to ignore turnovers) would say that this years defense is a lot better than that one.
(I know the importance of turnovers… so, I don;t think it’s much better – if at all – but it’s certainly not “much worse”.)
I don't think you could argue that statistically in a lot of categories the
2010 Saints Defense was better than the 2011 Saints Defense…
Now stats don’t always tell the whole story, but they do support theory in a lot of instances.
The “much worse” was in reference to your defense in 2009. And I think that is pretty on point considering I just saw a post on NN showing your defensive stats that year. I doubt you are anywhere near them this season.
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I'm actually surprised we've advanced to that point
Most teams we talk to dismiss Smith immediately. Maybe people are finally beginning to realize what he can do?
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 9, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Alex Smith is best at throwing in the middle of the field and they have been working on the red zone.
I have a funny feeling that Harbaugh as been holding back in the red zone for the playoffs.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 9, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
He's been one helluva poker player all year...
He’s keeps everything close to the chest and then goes after it when he has the hand. He may have been stacking aces for these couple to few games.
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by Drew Kerr on Jan 9, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Without doubt.
Every game that we have needed to win, the playcalling has been impressive. As soon as we play a team that we can beat playing conservative football, there has been vanilla play-calling. I honestly think Harbaugh and the coaching staff are going to surprise everyone.
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Huh , wait didn't i just read Saints rank 28th in red zone TD defense ...
…..not sure but 28th doesn’t sound too good to me …!!
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by Edggy on Jan 9, 2012 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Since when do FGs not count?
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by Virginia9er on Jan 10, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
If your in the Redzone most FG's are a gimme
Most teams are happy to hold a team to a FG in the RZ
The Saints love to trade FG’s for TD’s so to us FG’s aren’t that bad
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 10, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Of course
But that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t count toward your redzone defense.
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by Virginia9er on Jan 10, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
See above
According to Sando, they were 28th in RZ TD defense. Also, Detroit went 4/4 in scoring red zone TDs.
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is detroit's defense anywhere close to the Niners defense?
I do not see the saints scoring more than 28 points and if you can not stop the run it will be long day for the saints…
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 10, 2012 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
In response to do we think our offense is "as good as"
Detroit’s offense… I would have to answer it with.. our offense is better than a lot of teams when things are on the line. When the pressure is on… that’s why we have won 13 games and have a point differential of only 15 points in all three losses combined.
So the answer is: Yes, when our offense is clicking, they can hang with the best of them. When everything is “working” and players are “executing” the plays called. But it’s all a matter of perspective… people think that to be a good offense, you must be able to put up 700 total yards of offense… and that is a complete fallacy. If you can do things effectively, that is what makes your team (both offense and defense) good.
And just for some context… our offense has gone 6/9 in the RZ since they started playing against the 1st team defense in practice. They are running practice like a real game situation. Not against second team which is typical for most teams. When you go against a defense like ours, it sort of tends to sharpen your offense a bit.
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and you have to remember the niners know franklin pretty well
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 10, 2012 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
There's all kinds of other factors that we have an edge on the Lions as well.
And I am talking about the actual game, not home field advantage and weather and all that.
Special Teams, Field Possession, T.O.P., +25 in Turnovers, etc, etc, etc.
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lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 10, 2012 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
Define good
We have a far better running game, both in terms of blocking and RBs. They have a much better big play offense via the passing game, thanks in large part to the dynamic CJ. They are more likely to have a one or two play drive whereas the Niners are more likely to have use up six minutes before scoring. They’re more dangerous from every point of the field but the Niners are more likely to run out the clock.
When looking at RZ defense, I think you need only focus on the defense. The Niners have had the best RZ D throughout the season. They’ve limited TDs versus dynamic offenses in the (healthy) Eagles and Lions (both on the road), physical offenses like the Ravens and Steelers (road & home), and inept offenses like the Redskins and Bucs.
That the Saints ranked so low and just allowed a team to go 4/4 despite playing at home, it says that all teams have had success. I would expect the Niners too as well, especially since they have a running threat that Detroit did not. They’ll have to do it differently than the Lions but can have the same result.
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We have a far better running game, both in terms of blocking and RBs.
Rushing stats
Saints….. attempts 431, attempts/game 26.9, total yds 2,127, avg 4.9
49ers….. attempts 498, attempts/game 31.1, total yds 2,044, avg 4.1
Yeah, that is far better
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I'll explain slowly
The person above asked “Do you think your offense is as good as Detroit’s?”
Do you see where you went wrong?
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I'll take 3/4 RZ TDs
If we get 3 TDs in RZ plus whatever FGs and scores from farther out, Niners probably win
Yup , after all when we beat them we scored more points , hence the Win ...!!
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Do you play a hypocrite on Tv , because it's starting to bleed through in reality ...!!
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You say the Saints defense is pretty good in the redzone.
But on the road they gave up a TD 73.68% of the time(2nd worst in the league).
by mikeinsp on Jan 11, 2012 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is directed at anyone in particular
But I find it how misunderstood and misrepresented the 49ers have been this year. I don’t want to say disrespected because I sense they get plenty of respect. There is just so little talk about the 49ers other teams and fans don’t really know much about the team at all, I mean less so than any team’s fans would know another’s.
We all saw it with the Lions game first, their fans thought the game would be a simple blowout, afterwards they were beyond shocked and bitter. Then there was the Giants game, the 49ers first big test. More people were picking the 9ers, but still many assumed it would be a fight, but the 9ers wouldn’t be able to get it done. After that there was the Steeler’s on MNF, the first real test for the 49ers…even with a hobbled Ben (who still threw for 300 yards) 49ers got it done.
Now, I think most would agree the Saints have been a different level from those teams recently, specifically at home. With all that said, anyone that thinks the Saints are going to come in and drop 45 on their way to GB is just plain naive. Regardless of who wins this game will be close and both teams will come ready to play.
I just don’t see a lot of respect from the Saints blog and it reminds me of just about every other big game the 49ers played this year as the pregame discussion was all very similar.
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by Virginia9er on Jan 9, 2012 11:19 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Ugh, in the title
*isn’t
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I'm mixed on this
I’ve tired of Bill Simmons over the years, but one thing he’s really hit the nail on the head was how powerful the whole “NOBODY BELIEVES IN US!” mantra is in the playoffs. I think this is especially prevalent for good defenses.
Then again, I heard Troy Aikman talking about the Giants on Sunday and how they’ve started running the ball and playing excellent defense which means they could go far in the playoffs, and I yelled at the TV: “That’s what we’ve been doing ALL F-NG YEAR!”
by InTimmyWeTrust on Jan 9, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Well, TBF
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 9, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Funny , i do too tend to make verbal comments directed towards my Tv at times ...!!
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No dis-respect intended on Smith
But the 49ers dont have Eli Manning,Victor Cruz,Hakeem Nicks,and Mario Manningham
You have a better defense and a running game but Smith will have to air ir out for your offense to be reconized
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 10, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
So what's your point
We beat the Giants…
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by Virginia9er on Jan 10, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
in case you havent noticed 3 players passed over 5000 yards
And something like 10 have gone over 4000 yards
This is turning into a passing league and the media talks about exciting passing games not hard nosed tough defense run first teams
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 10, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
And yet the 9ers were 13-3, again I ask. What is your point?
49ers have shown that the fantasy football the media and the NFL so adore still isn’t the only way to get it done.
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by Virginia9er on Jan 10, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
what is your point?
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
If we beat some of those guys (Eli, Stafford, Vick threw for a mile)
Isn’t it a moot point?
Teams can pass. Good for them. We still beat them.
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by Blank x2 on Jan 10, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Point is what ...!!
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And yet we still went 13-3.
And beat Vick, Manning, Stafford who are QB’s of top passing teams.
And I know this isn’t the NFL, but Alabama and LSU played in the National Championship. And were they high-scoring offensive teams?
Tebow is obviously better than Roethlisberger 'cause he threw a 80 yard OT pass for the "W".
It’s a “TEAM” sport and it takes all 22 guys to win.
“Passing League” = hogwash…
Team football = TRUTH
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who had the first round bye and who played the better teams in the regular season? lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 13, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
According to most of them, they did because they had a .03 tougher SOS.
Even though they played the Colts, The Bucs twice, and the Rams (who they lost to).
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So, to clarify – a QB has to have 4000 yds 35+ TD & 14 INTs to be considered anywhere near a good QB?
Our WR’s can match the quality of play by any in the NFL today. Just because you name WR with huge names doesn’t mean they are the greatest in the leaguenor that ours are not as good or better.
by Chaotic9erFan on Jan 10, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I guess I never heard Smith passed for over 4000 yards
So maybe you have a point
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 10, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
He hasn't.
The poitn being that Smith has done what he was supposed to do in controlling the clock, keeping ahold of the ball longer and drive it into the endzone if possible. A game control football QB, I’ll take everyday.
by Chaotic9erFan on Jan 10, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
I stated above
That with all the QB’s throwing so many yards this year people and media focus on the passing game
Ball control offense and great defense is your game plan thats cool it has gotten ya’ll to 13-3
No one is putting it down I just gave my opinion why the media and the fans dont fawn all over your offense
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 10, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Frustrating as it can be (lack of 400+ yds per game) you can’t argue with his lack of turning the ball over to the opposing D.
by Chaotic9erFan on Jan 10, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
3,200 yards... it's not 5,000-whatever but it's not horrible when you consider the 17 TD's and 5 INT's.
He had about 3-4 TD passes dropped by Braylon, hence the cut… and a couple more. Realistically, those passes were money… he should have 24-25ish TD passes.. and had he had that, with the 5 INT’s, he woulda been the 3rd probowl QB this year. He also can kill you with his legs… he has a couple of rushing TD’s this year too.
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I don't think it's fair to get into hypotheticals.
I love what Alex has done this year but I think one starts to lose credibility when saying he should’ve had better numbers based on different variables like dropped passes, yada yada. He should’ve had a few more picks that were dropped as well, so it goes both ways. I think it’s fair to say stats don’t tell the whole story, but that’s as far as it goes in my opinion. Damn good season for Alex, and let’s see it improve into 2012 and beyond.
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by SanFranciscoKnights on Jan 13, 2012 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
You were asking about the Giants thats who I named
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 10, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Fair enough...I did pop my nose in quite quickly without thoroughly reviewing the original post
However, I didn’t ask the question, and I do beleive that the original post was about how the Giants have finally opened up the running game. Which is our mantra and what Virginia9er was orignally talking about.
Or was your point simply that Manning, Nicks, Cruz & Manningham are all better than our own QB and WR’s? If this is the case – refer to above comments.
by Chaotic9erFan on Jan 10, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Well
I haven’t really seen anything on the CSC site disrespecting or minimizing the 49ers. I think the only post so far about the game is one that your own David Fucillo posted.
In the end it will come down to this really. Both teams excel at what is their prime focus and identity. For the Saints it is obviously the Offense. For the Niners it is obviously the Defense. Any Saints fan that discounts your Defense is foolish in my opinion, just as any 49ers fan that discounts our Offense also needs to ease up on the cough syrup. In my opinion when someone starts talking about domination for their team and disrespects the opposing teams ability it likely is over-compensation for fear of what the other team can do spilling out subconsciously into their words.
The match-up this Saturday will hopefully have both teams doing what they do best and may the better team win.
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by Grumps on Jan 9, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think anyone has discounted your offense really too much.
I do, on the other hand though, think it’s more than fair to say that your offense is clearly not the same when they play on grass and on the road (this made evident by your 25.8 per game in those games)… which is also not to say that you won’t win… because you can… either team can. I think this game is a lot closer knit than what the media and some particular fans are acting like.
I think a lot of people are disrespecting our offense because of their built up perception of Alex Smith over the past 5 years, or so. He’s playing at a different level now though and we do have our own offensive weapons that can cut teams up as well. And it’s not just Gore, Crabtree, and Davis… although they are the primaries. I am sure the same could be said for your defense… sure there are a few guys we probably didn’t see too much this year that have made things happen.
X-factor for me… Turnovers and Special Teams…. both of which we have the advantage in. I know Sproles can hurt us, but I still feel as an OVERALL, our Special teams have the edge.
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There was a lot of disrespect in your lions win thread
forty whiners going to get killed and such forth
but it’s all good, both sides will have some of those
I agree, both sites seem pretty much tame compared to some...
the Bears blog can get very rowdy as can the Falcons, Blogobull and Posting and Toasting for NBA sb sites can get kind of rough for visiting fans.
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If I may provide an example
The link below is from your CSC.
http://www.canalstreetchronicles.com/2012/1/9/2694365/being-an-advanced-statistical-analysis-of-the-san-francisco-49ers
It provides inaccurate information to your fan base but I did not read one Saints fan challenging the lazy arguments. You will note that this poster incorrectly refers to the NFC West as the “weakest” and another refers to the division as “garbage” in an attempt to devalue the 49ers.
The slightest bit of homework would’ve shown that the entire NFC West, likely the 5th best division this season, had to play the best (AFC North) whereas that of the Saints and their rivals played the weakest (AFC South). The NFCW contains two top 10 defenses, which combined with the four top 10 crews from the AFCN means that half of the schedules for this division were played against defenses superior to anything in the NFCS or their respective schedules outside of the Houston game (one could also count the Jags but their offense was so poor it more than balances out any defensive ability they showed). Lastly, the West contains two top 11 pass defenses, one of which belongs to the worst team in the division (Rams at #7). This may explain how they were able to hold the Saints’ offense in check despite being at the bottom of the West.
The Saints’ division contains what is undoubtedly the worse team at the conclusion of this season, the Bucs. I have yet to read anyone here on NN using these facts as a way to disparage New Orleans. This would be an example of the perceived “lack of respect” which is usually in the form of lazy platitudes that were accurate two seasons ago but continue to be repeated by those unwilling to note that things have changed.
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by SpurredOn on Jan 10, 2012 3:32 AM PST up reply actions 16 recs
Nice ...!!
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I did some homework and gave you some credit
I had to wait for my membership to become active, but here you go
Although I’m not going to say that you’re in a good division, I will say you’re a good team.
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 10, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
fair enough
For division comparison, it is worth noting that the NFC West went 3-1 vs the NFC South. Two wins were blowouts, the lone loss by two points. For what it’s worth.
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Our division record wasn't far from yours was it?
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Sorta
NFC West was 30-34, ranked 6th, South was 33-31, ranked 4th. South had 2 teams above .500, West had one.
what actually matters however
would be the SOS of the 49ers vs. the Saints… not really the division itself ( I agree that the NFC S was somewhat better than that W, because Falcons > Seahawks).
By pro-football reference, NO faced a -1.6 (negative is easy) and the Niners a -1.1 (Packers by the way -1.2 – Patriots and Texans also had easy schedules). By footballoutsiders.com, the Saints and the Niners had the 31st and 32nd easiest schedules (-4.2% DVOA), but down the 2nd decimal to tell.
So neither team can really claim to have had a tough – or even really “tougher” schedule.
By overall ratings (if you are in to that) 49ers at home should be a pick-em or 1 point underdog. Vegas thinks otherwise… (to be fair, special teams-ingoring advancednflstats.com has the Saints well ahead).
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I think the public loves the Saints
And that’s why they’re 3.5 point favorites on the road against a #2 seed. I don’t gamble myself, but I still love that line. Harbaugh’s done a fantastic job of playing the ‘Nobody Believes in Us’ card, and you just know he’s telling the team, “We’re 3.5 point dogs! At home! With the 2 seed! No one thinks we can win!” Obviously the people on these blogs, who know football more than your average fan, know that this will likely be a very close game that’s close to a toss-up, but I’m glad that the public is betting up the Saints.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 10, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
Saints’ other opposing division was even worse (AFC South), although before the season started, it looked tougher. You could say the same for the NFC East, though.
Add it all up, and I don’t think the schedules help you compare these 2 teams
Strange thing about schedule strength
Teams with great records (13-3 or better) tend to have the lowest SOS, whereas teams with awful (3-13 or worse) tend to have a strong SOS. I always want to mention that part of the reason is that good teams are sticking losses on their opponents while losing teams build up their opponents’ strength with wins.
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Yeah, there's an invisible division hangin' around somewhere that's better than ours.
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it was sarcasm… to point out that your division is no where near the 5th best in the league… your record (and good team) make you division record look better.
YOU HAVE A GOOD TEAM… The rest of your division sucks – on different levels, but they all suck.
Not really...
And you’ve lost on the road to 2 of our division rivals in the last year…
I’m hoping we keep the trend alive and make it 3 for 3…
No... the Cardinals and Seahawks do not "suck".
Both teams are one good QB away from being very solid teams in the division and also in the NFC. Their defenses are pretty stout. The Seahawks had the injury bug along their Oline pretty much all year long.
But I think that you will see that this is a division on the rise next season. I think because of that, we will definitely have our work cut out on repeating a 13-3 season again next year. We have Packers, Saints, Patriots all on the road next year. In any case, I think the NFCW has been the worst for a long time and that has built a legit perception… but the perception is on it’s way out here real soon.
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Skelton may pan out if Haley goes back to AZ as the OC... Don't think Kolb is the answer there.
In regards to Seattle, they may have to go after one in the draft or free agency.
But if a team doesn’t have a great quarterback, they can still be a good to great team… I think our team has proven that… and you might say a few other playoff teams this year as well.
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Says alot about the teams
when they might need a better qb and still have a very competitive team.
Seattle beat Balt, NYG, and Philly, lost 5 of their games by 6 pts or less. A few bounces going their way and they easily could be in the playoffs.
Arizona beat Dallas, Philly, and Carolina, and lost 4 games by 4 pts or less.
Competitive teams while starting Kolb and Skelton for Arizona, and Tavaris Jackson for Seattle. Both teams are on the rise.
Incorrect
AZ is an average team and thus has the perfect record of 8-8. They can hang with any team when playing at home and due to their defense being very solid in the red zone, they can stay in most road games. Average.
Seattle is better than their record and hurt by playing in a good NFC West, where they suffered three losses that would be wins against most teams. They have one of the best secondaries in the NFL and a top 10 defense to go along with one of the best RBs in Lynch.
As for sucking, there’s a team that quit in Tampa, a defense that couldn’t stop a toddler from scoring down in Charlotte, and an average team that puffed their record up on weaklings that just got exposed in Atlanta.
I would rank the ACF South as the worst and AFC West as next. You could then put the NFC West in the same grouping as the AFC East and NFC South. You can take those three and put them in a different order depending on which time of the season you do the rankings, thus why I said “likely” 5th best. One could could rank it 6th and not be wrong.
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Sea and Zona would have put up a better fight vs the Giants
The Falcons are slightly above average and chokers on the big stage. They barely beat Sea early and Sea would probably wipe the floor with them in the later 1/3 of the season.
Cards are better than Carolina and despite records, the Rams are probably better than the Bucs. I don’t think the Bucs could beat LSU Alabama right now.
Your division is not difficult.
“The Saints’ division contains what is undoubtedly the worse team at the conclusion of this season, the Bucs.”
colts, rams, vikings are “undoubtedly” worse than the bucs; and the browns are “arguable” worse. but, i’m not really looking for respect for our division opponent.
I would say Rams = Buccs...
But only 1 team ended the season on a 10 game losing streak… There was no team playing worse football at the end of the year than Tampa Bay…
Bucs will bounce back if they land a good coach.
They have a lot of young talent. And in 2-3 years they could be contenders. To be honest, Brees does not have a lot of years left (3-4 tops)… and they have sort of an “old team” by NFL standards. I could honestly see that division flip-flopping within a couple years with the Panthers and Bucs taking over.
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That's a distinct possibility...
Though I don’t think the Falcons are going anywhere…
My guess is that these 2 divisions are in the best shape to improve overall in the near future and will be the most hotly contested playoff spots in 3 years time…
Bucs quit in November
If you can’t see that, can’t help you. Unlike the Bucs, the Rams, Colts and Vikings did not quit. Injuries that destroyed the Rams’ secondary (and QB) and took what little depth the Colts had did not stop those teams from playing hard in December. I would take any of them head to head with Tampa right now, with the game in Florida.
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That article is terrible, and whoever wrote it obviously didn't do their research.
If you eliminate the division games we played the defense’s stats look like this:
Rush YPG allowed: 77.1(1st)
Yards Per Rush allowed: 3.4(1st)
Pass Yards Per Pass allowed: 6.7(5th)
Points per game allowed: 14(1st)
ALL of these numbers are BETTER than our full-season stats. So the NFC West did not boost our rankings or stats.
by mikeinsp on Jan 11, 2012 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
People outside of our division are clearly misinformed.
Thank you media… A-Holes!!!
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I saw a big detour sign all covered in blood on CSC.
Was that really intended for Saints fans to detour down to the canal for a pee?
by Critical Roach on Jan 10, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
True
The worst is hearing people say the Niners built their record by playing the “weak” NFC West. Add to that the lack of knowledge that the Niners played the best 2011 division (AFC North) and went 3-1 against them, or six of the top 10 defenses, and it shows a lack of homework.
I think that NO deserves all respect being given to them about their awesome offense, including their underrated but quite effective run game, especially when they play at home. I think the opposite is not happening: the Niners’ defense has been as stout as anyone could be when playing at home. They’ve held opponents without a 1st half TD in seven of eight home games. They’ve shutout their opponents in at least one half in five of eight home games. They’ve not trailed by more than 3 points in any home game. There’s a serious advantage playing here, much like the Saints in the dome. It doesn’t make for as sexy a story for the national media but is no less true.
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IMO
This is the NFL. No team is a cakewalk and should be discounted. if you do, you likely are going to get your butt kicked with that kind of attitude.
Simply put, I think the Niners are going to give us a challenge. That being said, I am excited to see what our Offense can do against your team and see what our Defense can do to stop your Offense.
I am not as informed about your team and its season and thats part of the reason behind posts like this. I know both teams are on win streaks. I can tell you that the Saints are humming along in all points right now. Offense is clicking in both the pass and run game. Defense looks to be building on the take-aways, and Sproles as a return man with Morstead booming touchbacks is allowing us to have good field position.
I never discount home field advantage. This will be a good match-up between to 13-3 teams.
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Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
by Grumps on Jan 9, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
This season has been such a dogfight for almost every team. A few lucky bounces either way, and both the Niners and the Saints could be sitting out of the playoffs.
The Saints had the Houston, first Carolina, and Tennessee games(all went down to the last drive), first Atlanta game(The Mike Smith going for it on 4th down in OT game).
The Niners had the first Seattle game(only up by 2 with 4 mins left), Cincinatti game(went down to the last seconds), Philly game(Justin Smith stripping Maclin for the fumble), Detroit game(4th and 6 pass to Delanie Walker with 2 mins left), Giants game(Justin Smith batdown of the pass on 4th down at the SF 10 with 34 secs left), second Seattle game(David Akers fg at the 3 min mark to finally take the lead).
All close games, with just 1 or 2 plays difference swinging the teams records quite a bit.
They built six out of 8 wins
Against the NFC East (over-rated, but with some potent teams), and the AFC North.
I would not mind getting another shot at the Ravens, especially with two weeks to prepare…
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 10, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
In some sense, it seems a lot like the Lions fans were and Eagles fans were before those two games.
That is the feeling and vibe I am getting from over there.
Saints are and were a better team than either of those teams though… just sucks the lack of respect but oh well… we’ll just let the scoreboard do the talking I suppose.
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He He
Going all Rodney Dangerfield on us?
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“I just don’t see a lot of respect from the Saints blog”
Are you refering to another Saints blog (nola.com?) or CanalStreetChronicles on SBNation?
Many of us at CSC had lots of respect for the 49ers D and the fact that Alex Smith hasn’t had many turnovers this year… Of course, Brett Favre only had 4 INT’s all season when we met in the NFCCG and he threw two in that game.
Good for Brett Favre...
Don’t see what he has to do with the upcoming game.
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Brett Favre has been a turnover machine his entire career.
In the past 3 years, Smith has not thrown too many INT’s.
2009 – 18 TD’s | 12 INT
2010 – 14 TD’s | 10 INT
2011 – 17 TD’s | 5 INT
We aren’t gonna come out slinging the ball all over the yard… We are going to drain the clock and keep everything in front of us on defense. That formula has worked so far and at home, I have faith it will work again.
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it was just a “fun fact”…
Vikes fans were trash talking about their QB not throwing INT’s, and their RB finally learning to hold on to the ball…
Farve threw 2 INT’s, AP fumbles FOUR times… and two other vikes players fumbled that game as well.
I’m just saying it’s not a guarantee that he won’t throw another INT this weekend.
Brees could have some too.
We really don’t know. With how much you guys sling it around, that kind of increases the odds of one or two getting popped up and picked. We are +25 in the TO ratio for good reason. They do a lot of things to disrupt timing and certain plays. And Fangio is very strategic…
I just found the “fun fact” funny considering you are using a guy who is known to throw INT’s throughout his career like that was supposed to shock us.
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What is up...
with the Saints Dome-field advantage this year? I realize that playing at home and indoors is of some help… but what do Saints fans think about they play on the road. I am inclined to not really believe that the playing them on the road makes much difference.
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Saints were 5-3 on the road
Saints averaged 467 yards of offense per game in 2011. Outdoors, they averaged 463 yards
Defense: gave up 334 ypg, outside was 369.
Numbers are similar for offensive and defensive 1st downs.
The big difference was in the points, which are obviously the most important, but looking at the statistics, it’s hard to find where the difference is.
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 10, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Difference is turnovers
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David Akers has a higher QB rating than Drew Brees
how do you feel about that? Are you guys shaking in your boots, worried that we’re going to fake every field goal and throw touchdowns on you all day and all night? :)
I, for one, just defecated in my dress pants.
I don’t think we are to worried about him throwing. Hopefully he has to do lots of kicking (just not enough).
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Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
by Grumps on Jan 9, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Which on is it?
Your dress or your pants?
A pie can be divided into many pieces. For MOST people the goal is to get as many pieces of that pie as possible. It is my goal to eat the WHOLE pie.
by Fat Willie on Jan 9, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Nicely played
Crude, but funny enough to rec.
There is so much genius that goes unrecognized on NN because we don’t take enough time to read each other’s stuff…
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 10, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
We look forward to him starting against us Saturday
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 10, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Akers’ arm strength might not be there, but he’s a hell of a game manager
by reedkrase on Jan 10, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I've been reading this from the top
And that was a fantastic stretch right there
WWJHD?
It always is when talking about Akers
his special teams play is so good that he easily lends himself to these types of jokes. Kind of like the jokes last year centered on getting the ball to our star player: Andy Lee.
How do you think your receivers and backs will do on a mud based track opposed to an artificial rubber based track?
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Sproles was on grass while in SD. Graham seems to have no adverse effects on grass. From what I hear the weather should be great. I don’t see a huge drop off if the choice in footwear is correct. And since there was a recent incident with an RB with the wrong cleats, I can pretty much guarantee that this won’t be overlooked.
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Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
Hmmm… not sure how you don’t see a huge drop off when your points are roughly 18 points less per game… I’d call that fairly significant…
Also the grass fields you have played on are not the same type of grass/ turf that they’ll be on at the ‘Stick… it’s always pretty soggy.
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You ask him a question and he gives you his honest answer, but it’s not the answer you want, so you just rebuke him? I think you could be a little more hospitable…
by InTimmyWeTrust on Jan 9, 2012 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
I'd disagree in this particular instance
He got an answer but has his own thoughts to add to the context of the discussion. Given Grumps answer and Drew’s counter I’d imagine we won’t get agreement on the issue, but I don’t think this particular instance is a case of being inhospitable. More just challenging the opposing opinion in a way that does not really seem disrespectful.
by David Fucillo on Jan 9, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
I have to agree
The reply was respectful and the 49ers play on a grass field below sea level that will be a lot slower than any fiield the Saints players are used to playing on. When the Saints play on a grass field their production drops WAY down.
In the world of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
Just asking.
I have seen you guys belabor this point over and over again ad nauseum. Are you trying to hammer this point home hoping beyond hope that it has such a drastic impact? Sure we dont play on grass. Sure our away games have not been as dominant in the scoring. I would rather believe that game plan as opposed to field turf is more of the logical argument but thats just me. By that argument, since your team is so “dominant on grass” why aren’t they lighting it up when on turf? Is turf their achilles heel? Do they have to have exposure to the elements to play well?
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Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
possibly
Most offenses in the league are better on turf than on grass. Especially on passing plays where that muck can slow down a receiver and he is not where he is supposed to be on the pass and throws the QB out of rhythm. So is it OUR defenses achilles heel? Perhaps it is better to say that the grass is the achilles heel of offenses and an offensive lead team will therefore struggle.
Either way
I am looking forward to the game.
I like Hamburgers!
Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
but really
are you looking forward to the game?
by reedkrase on Jan 10, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I addressed this below
The grass argument is weak. it’s not about the type of turf as much as it is road versus home and, perhaps, a dome heavy team playing outdoors. Atlanta just played their first outdoor game in three months and looked lost despite a good turf and nice weather. The Saints playing in Nashville looked nothing like the handful of games that preceeded or followed.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
True
But the Falcons are like a leaf blower. They both suck and blow.
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Um...
We’re just pointing out facts. Some Saints fans think they’ll still drop 40 points with 550 yards of offense.
Dont get mad at us for pointing out facts that show more than likely that ain’t happening. I hope you’ve noticed the 200 comments on here where Niners fans have said if this was in the dome, we’d be in a LOT more trouble.
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I'm sorry, but what?
You’re saying the reason the Saints offense has been so much less effective on the road is because of their game plan? Do you really believe that?! I suppose next you’re going to tell me Lindsey Lohan has a drug problem becuase she just has a hard time saying, “no”.
The Saints are 3-2 in games played on grass. They’re 10-1 in games played on turf. Are you saying the fact the Saints averaged 25.8 points per game in their games on grass as opposed to 30 points per game in their road games played on turf is just a statistical anomaly?
I really don’t know how to respond to that except to say in the 2 games the Saints played this year against defenses who played on grass and ranked in the top half of the NFL based on points per game, the Saints offense put up 22, and 23 points. A far cry from 40.
If you’ve read ad nauseum how playing on the road and on grass will slow your offense down, I’ve read ad nauseum from Saints fans how the Saints will score over 40 points and beat the 49ers by 3 scores or more. I’m sorry, but the numbers show the Saints offense just isn’t as explosive on the road and playing on grass. I honestly don’t see how anyone can objectively disagree with that.
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by urnext on Jan 11, 2012 12:33 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
you’re putting a lot of stock in a single, low “sample size” stat… could it be that the defenses we faced were better? or our offensive gameplan or execution wasn’t as good? or, we had different (much lower quality) personal at the time?
Small sample size? 5 games, right?
That’s 32% of the season… that’s a fairly significant chunk.
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you’re a statiscian I see… who likes to “lie with numbers”… excellent.
FIVE is a small sample – period. The % of a single season is irrelevant.
either that, or you know nothing about statistics and my comment seems sarcastic. If so, I apologize.
Five is not a big enough sample size to come to a “statistically significant” (aka meaningful) conclusion.
Wow...
That’s some delusion right there.
Read as: Those 5 games mean nothing and we’re gonna come to your house and stomp your head in by putting up 40+ even though we HAVE NOT done that in the 5 chances we have had this season against lesser defenses.
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LOL...
I said NOTHING of the sort.
I wanted to apologize if my first comment seemed insulting, in the case that you didn’t know about statistics.
I am not an advance stats guy...
But I do know enough to know that 5/16 games is good enough for the season to tell what a teams trend is for the season in those situations. If I recall correctly, your team sort of struggled to score what you normally did last year on grass away as well (primarily against the 49ers and Ravens IIRC).
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the sample size
is irrelevant when you’re trying to compare numerous things that change (especially when you’re talking about points scored by a football team). the variables that go into each instance cannot be held constant and therefore your point is moot.
as far as what drew said, season to season analysis is the closest (albeit still inaccurate) you can get to making somewhat of a meaningful conclusion.
my point that “using 5 games as a sample size to draw major conclusions is poor use of statistics” is a fact… I didn’t make that up… the super geniuses that created the science of statistics did.
If you used 5 games over a span of 5 years, then you may have something.
But we are talking about grass and on the road games… all five of which this season have had roughly the same result.
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Put another way...
Saints fans will use the 5 (or is it 6) straight 40+ point, 450+ yard performances by your team as supporting statistics to conclude that the Saints will inevitably drop the same numbers against the NIners’ top ranked D, that Drew Brees will carve up the Niners’ like a 10’ slicer will a turkey on Thanksgiving night.
By your logic, none of these arguments by Saints fans should hold water because the sample size is too small to draw a conclusion with a 95% confidence level.
Maybe its semantics but while a sample size of 5 does not establish definitive proof anything, it can establish a trend that is most likely to continue given past performance. And I think that is what Drew and most of the Niner fans are wanting to establish. Just like what Saints fans are trying to establish when citing the last 5 offensive displays by your team.
by NinerFanTucson on Jan 12, 2012 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
someone has used our last few games as evidence to say we’re gonna get 40+ points and 450+ yards vs you guys?
that very unlikely to happen… you don’t need “sample sizes” to see that… it’s on tape. you guys are great on defense.
yep quite a few actually
someone has used our last few games as evidence to say we’re gonna get 40+ points and 450+ yards vs you guys?
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
There seems to be a lot of talk about how slow the Saints will be on grass ...
… first off the Saints don’t have a ton of speed , outside of Sproles , not so much , i would think if the grass has any adverse effects it will be on the Defensive side of the ball, this is where Ginn Williams and Crabs may have a huge advantage against a suspect back end …!!
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Defense:
It’s easier for the defense to keep everything in front of them.
That said, we have the better defensive backs anyway.
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I agree
The Saints’ road “woes” only look bleak in comparison to their home dominance. Most any team would be happy to score in the mid 20s in road games. The issue is that they, like most teams, play better at home. As a dome team, it’s more the issue of being outdoors so infrequently (shockingly once in the past 11 weeks! – Atlanta just played their first outdoor game in 13 weeks) and a team that is built to grab big leads that makes up for their defensive inefficiency. Once their defense no longer has the crowd advantage, especially with their various blitz schemes that confuse linemen, and is not playing downhill with three score leads, game strategy changes.
I would argue this more about location than whether the game is on grass or turf.
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How much does the Saints offense run through Sproles and Graham?
Last weekend’s game was the first Saints game I’d watched in a while, and I was surprised by how much the Saints use their backs and tight end. Is that how its worked all season? and if Sproles and/or Graham are shut down, can the rest of the offense compensate?
The Saints spread it around a tonne and yes the backs and the TE’s are a huge part of the success of the offense. Graham and Sproles do usually seem to be the focal point (i think it was Graham one and Sproles second for receptions this year). However, everybody else steps up when given the opportunity. If you watched the Detroit game, you saw that Thomas is a very hard back to bring down. As is Ivory. We may or may not have Lance Moore back. He is a clutch receiver for us when used. If he is healthy, I can see him having a big game as your D focuses on Graham, Colston and Sproles. He is a very precise route runner with good hands that has developed a lot of trust with Brees.
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Good to know
I forgot about lance moore — I saw him go bananas in the Saints-Texans game, that dude is a beast. If he’s playing that changes the make up of the game.
In general, though, the 49ers are pretty effective at neutralizing tight ends and running backs. The 49ers’ defensive weakness is at 2nd and 3rd CB — so if Brees is going to pick apart this defense, Moore, Colston, and Henderson will have to have great games.
Not trying to puff up my chest here
But Brees will find the receiver. If you take away or limit the run game then he will exploit the secondary. He has just it so consistently all season I find it hard to believe he won’t be able to. You will have to defend well against the screen pass and you will have to get the Saints off the field on third down. He doesn’t care who he throws to, his TE’s his FB, his RB’s or his WR’s. That’s the one thing I really appreciate as a Saints fan is that we don’t seem to have any players with selfish tendencies. They all know that sooner or later they will get their touches.
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Correction:
But Brees may find the receiver if he has time
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by Drew Kerr on Jan 9, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Yep, because we get good pressure with just our front 4...
then it’s 5 on 7 with 2 all pro linebackers watching the underneath routes…
Unlike the lions, we don’t miss tackles… Top tackling defense in the NFL… We need to get in Brees face and neutralize Sproles… That will be the defensive key…
Been sayin' it since they won.... since the middle of the game even.
Double Graham spy either Bowman or Willis on Sproles. I think he could get blown up Ray Lewis style when he was on the Chargers style at least once.
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Definitely what I'd do...
Under/over coverage on Graham with Willis and Whitner, let Bowman be Sproles shadow all day…
Maybe Willis can match up 1v1 on Graham, but I wouldn’t risk that too often…
I would put Goldson over Whitner just because he is much taller.
Graham is like 6’5" and we are gonna need to get some height on him.
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But Goldson is a terrible football player.
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HOW COULD YOU SAY SUCH A THING ABOUT DASHON GOLDSON PRO BOWLER™
HE IS A PRO BOWLER™ AND ALSO A PRO BOWLER™ SO THAT MEANS HE’S GOOD
But in all seriousness, Goldson is pretty solid. I don’t get the love for him, but I don’t get the hate either. He’s a lot like Troy Polamalu in that he makes great plays but misses some easy ones, but I’d argue he makes even more great plays than Troy.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 9, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Just think we're gonna need that height he has.
5’10" covering 6’5" is a lot more scary than 6’2" covering 6’5" …
Willis is 6’1" and Bowman is 6’0".
I just think that it makes more sense to get some height on him. Goldson and Willis and then use Bowman to spy on Sproles.
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Yea
Wasn’t it Goldson that was beat by Brees that first got them in FG range last year?
I seem to remember Goldson in decent coverage actually, but the it was just a perfect throw. Can’t remember if it was Shockey or Colston I think?
Graham is a tougher matchup than either of them. I’d imagine Willis with Goldson’s help most of the time.
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Indeed
The only player on the Saints offense who really has me concerned is Graham, just because he is such an athletic freak.
Granted, we have our own Willis, who did a pretty fine job against Pettigrew, but a little bit of safety help to occasionally jump the route and nab an INT is important.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 10, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Well now
Graham is >>>>> Pettigrew
If anything, I bet Graham has been partially responsible for several of Brees’ interceptions as Brees tries to take advantage of the size and vertical and throws it just a tad to high. Graham tips it up and yahtzee, easy pick for safety or corner help.
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yeah but
Willis > everything
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
Really
Willis > Boobs?
If you agree, then your priorities are messed up man.
Ha.
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LOL
i stand corrected.
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
It takes a man
to admit when he is wrong.
Your honesty and priorities are admirable.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 10, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
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Goldson
I think he has made progress this year in his coverage ability. It may be because the front seven is doing better… but I imagine that Fangio and the DB Coach has gotten him to do some things better.
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Don't know about goldson being better than polamalu
But he’s been generally solid this year, especially when covering tight ends and short routes. I think he’ll be a huge asset against Graham.
Fair enough...
I was more thinking you let Goldson try to ball hawk and play deep, and Whitner is a better wrap up tackler on bigger guys…
“Under/over coverage on Graham with Willis and Whitner, let Bowman be Sproles shadow all day”
Who’s going to cover our three WR who are also on the field at that time? You’re gonna leave Colston, Meachem, and Henderson all one on one… one of them likely against a LB or safety. Good luck with that.
Yep... One on one...
We can get to your QB… we did it last year on MNF. Have you forgotten that already?
We’ve added a few people since then in case you are unaware… which includes a competent coaching staff.
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I don't see where a LB or Safety ends up one-on-one here.
The Niners will be in nickel defense anytime you have 3 WRs on the field. Willis and Whitner double Graham, Bowman shadows the RB…that leaves 3 Corners and a FS on your three WRs.
Where’s the shortage?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Makes more sense to have Goldson on Graham...
Whitner is 5’10" and Graham is 6’6"… If Whitner is on Graham at any point, that is a major disadvantage.
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Either way
it leaves a corner for each WR.
I was just going by the original comment.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
fair enough… I like the sound of that.
you’ll be in nickle a lot then.
How are your third and fourth corners?
Culliver is a rookie that has done surprisingly well.
He hs not let too much get behind him and he is a very good tackler. He can close in a hurry to knock the ball out too… Reggie Smith (our back up safety) is usually the dime package DB… he played some corner at Oklahoma, so he can cover decent enough if he is forced to.
Brock is the other guy and he has not got too much playing time outside of special teams after he fell down a couple times in the Dallas game. One of his blunders costed the team a TD. So he doesn’t get on much.
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Culliver
He was trusted, in his sixth pro game, to spend most of the game covering Calvin Johnson. His combo of size and quickness made for a good matchup and handled himself quite well, with safety help of course. That was the first game of the season where CJ failed to score a TD.
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Not too sound obtuse or anything ...
… how do you think the game will go , if all the holding penalties i saw actually get called and your actually playing a TEAM that can tackle , because as i saw it the Lions can tackle worth sh!t …!!
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Oh please
Dont tell me that you believe that the Saints are somehow preferred in the eyes of the refs. I have heard repeatedly how PT’s runs were due to crappy tackling as opposed to any skill on his part. I have no problems answering questions, but leave the conspiracy theories out of it. Asfor tackling, we shall see this coming Saturday.
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Bro , i saw this with my very own eyes , no conspracy here , was utterly amaze on both fronts ...!!
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Slow motion replays ...
Some of that stuff was extremely hard to NOT see… Like, you either had to be up taking a leak and away from the TV, or had a massive sneeze attack, or something when they were showing them and describing them to everyone as they happened.
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Hate to say it, but I'm with the grumps on this one
Teams play the game the way its officiated — if the refs were letting the players hold, a smart coach tells his lineman to hold. Its not like the lions were getting flags and the saint weren’t.
It was a fair game, and the saints won. When the saints lose this weekend I hope their fans won’t be whining about the refs.
That's true, and I agree.
But let’s not act like the Lions weren’t tackling like a junior high team at times. I ignore the penalty talk, as that happens to everybody all season, but Detroit’s defense was as sorry as it could be against NO. Ours will not play like that.
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
Good point I suppose.
But that wasn’t the argument. The argument that was they weren’t blatantly holding… there were a few occasions where Olinemen were literally tackling Dlinemen or giving them big ol’ bear hugs… by standards and the rulebook, you can’t do that.
But I get what you are saying too… same thing has baseball and umpires… if a certain ump calls a low and outside ball a strike all day, the pitcher is most likely gonna paint that corner all day.
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Add to that
I read on Twitter that the specific crew that worked the game called the fewest offensive holding calls of any crew this season. So, it wasn’t a conspiracy or even ineptitude as much as this particular crew interpreting holding more loosely than other crews. It can be argued that they need a classroom session on what constitutes holding but for now, that one game was in line with how they call all games. Perhaps the Lions should’ve held more too.
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it was pretty clear during the game the Lions were doing a horrible job tackling, not just on PT but all around.
I don’t say that to take anything away from anyone on the Saints but there were a ton of missed tackles, guys not wrapping up and the like.
One thing you can be sure of though, is that the Niners will not have tackling issues
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
They were all going for the kill shot… some of our guys tend to do that at times too, so hopefully we can minimize that stuff unless there are like 2 or 3 players converging .. then Goldson, or whoever can go for a few kill shots to try and jar the ball loose.
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yeah it definitely seemed that way
They were all going for the kill shot
and I agree, our guys do tend to do that sometimes too (Goldson, I’m looking at you!) hopefully like you said they will be careful with when and how they decide to go for a big hit and minimize the risk of missing and having the WR bust a long run.
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
Fantasy perspective on Sproles
Sproles was probably my move of the draft this year in fantasy, as it was the end of the draft and we all had very little money. I had enough to bid $2 on one player and $1 each on three, and I was able to use the $2 to outbid someone for Sproles. He finished as the #5 RB in our PPR league.
So basically, I watched his stats every game. He always got the most targets and yards of any of the RB’s, and often more targets than any receiver. The RB’s split the carries pretty evenly, but I believe there were only a few Sproles TD runs under 10 yards.
He’s definitely a key player to stop, but Brees uses Lance Moore similarly as a receiver. I think the Saints offense is so diverse that you really can’t take away everything. Pressure is going to be key.
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by achiappanza on Jan 10, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
I would never pick a Saints reciever or running back in FF
Brees spreads the ball around too much he has no favorites just who evers open
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 10, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I know.
I’ve picked Colton twice. Never again.
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Colston.
Stupid mobile.
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Actually, Lance Moore worked out surprisingly well for me this season
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AND
Whoever picked Sproles as their RB/WR is probably in love with the guy
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Like I said
- overall in RB’s this year. Complete steal for me, and a no-brainer to play every week (in PPR).
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Ooh that edited funny
It was supposed to say number 5 in RB’s overall.
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How has Aubrayo Franklin worked out for the Saints this year?
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Its a mixed review.
He has been relatively quiet. I think he has done alright but nothing incredibly spectacular.
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Want him back
He will be availible after this season
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 10, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
No thanks
But I do recall Gregg Williams saying that Patrick Willis must be crying in his milk about losing Franklin. Turns out he was wrong then and going forward.
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We will make you a deal
Take Franklin and we will throw in Rogers our other fat worthless DT
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 10, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Shaun Rogers? I remember watching him play in Detroit games. There is a reason they call him ’big baby. Lol
by Chaotic9erFan on Jan 10, 2012 4:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
They been that bad?
Do Williams use them just to plug up running space?
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Is there anything Gregg Williams won't blitz?
From 49ers center (and former Saint) Jonathan Goodwin:
“I’m not surprised to see Gregg blitz at all […] I remember Gregg blitzed on 9-on-7 periods (in practice) in run periods. It’s something I’m used to and I expect. I’m more surprised when he doesn’t blitz.”
So, that’s ridiculous. How do you saints fans feel about Gregg Williams? Defensive mastermind or reckless gambler?
He is sending someone to blitz you as I type this.
He has a mixed review it seems at CSC. Some love the aggressive style, other think he overdoes it. I am in the middle. I like the aggression, but even I think at times it is to much. I think when it works and the turnovers are there (i.e. 2009) he looks like a genius. When the turnovers dry up, like they did this year, it makes people a bit more prone to debate his style.
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One thing for sure
When he had the players, he married them to his scheme and beat the DNA out of Favre. Add in the noise advantage and old #4 had little chance to avoid a physical beating.
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If williams' defense never wins another game
That championship game is enough to keep him on staff for as long as he wants. Favre was basically a corpse by the fourth quarter.
Still, with williams at coordinator, I have no idea why the saints picked up aubrayo franklin. Why would you want a gap-stuffing NT to free up your linebackers, when all your linebackers are 5 yards upfield streaking toward the QB?
Darren Sharper was your turnovers.
When he left… they dried up.
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At this point
Definitely seems to be accurate. Our DB’s this year are certainly showing that they won’t be called upon to play emergency WR at any point in time. Stonehanded.
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Speaking of turnovers...
Do you think the Saints lack of them this year is entirely the fault of said stone-handed DB’s? Cause I DO seem to remember Porter making a pretty key INT in some big game a few years back, against some QB from N’awlins…can’t seem to remember his name…
Or is it scheme?
Also, on the other end, Brees is a fantastic QB, who threw a TON of INTs last year, and has cut down this year- are you worried about him reverting to that under the sort of pressure the Niners can bring?
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 10, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
I think the Saints turnover drop is simply due to being stonehanded. For some reason they just can’t catch the bloody ball this year. I don’t know how many potential interceptions have doinked off of their hands or chests this season (although you could probably put together a good 5 minute video of it, sync some Benny Hill music to it and have a youtube sensation).
I mentioned this below but will reiterate. Brees’ picks this year seem to be one of three things:
1) Passes that are just out of reach of his receivers who then tip the ball up in the air to the joy of properly located secondary (most of the time)
2) Trying to force points when trailing (see the Rams game).
3) Underthrowing due to bracing for the incoming hit from a D-line (see Lions game).
I am most worried about the second scenario. If you guys get the ball first and are able to take a lead, it seems that Brees will try to do a two minute drill at the end of the half (if given the chance) and try to get some quick points to which he can add to on the first possession of the start of the 3rd.
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You aren't worried about #3?
Even when our team isn’t getting a ton of sacks, we have mounted an insane number of QB pressures this year…that is actually wherre I give my Niners the best chance of victory, based on forcing some bad throws and turnovers thanks to McDonald, the Smiths, and the occasional ILB blitz (and both Bowman and Willis are ludicrously fast).
As to #2, I would love for that to occur, but I don’t see us jumping out to much of an early lead. I think this game is going to be close, hard-fought, and down to the wire.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 10, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
#3 is the least of my concern of the three identified.
Not because I discount your D, but because Brees has a crazy amount of pocket presence and our O-line is playing incredibly well.
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Your second point
Is so important. I think who has the lead in this game, from mid 2Q forward, dictates everything. The one-side argument from the media has been “can the Niners win a playoff game if they trail 17-0?” Well duh, they can but likely won’t. As most teams, even those with Brees or Rodgers at QB, will also lose. If you get down three scores in a playoff game you are likely not playing well enough on either side of the ball to find victory.
If the Saints find themselves up 17-3, they can dictate the game pace while utilizing PA-passes and bltiz with no fear of being burned. If the Niners are up something similar, they go nickel and send the front four after Brees with no concern of running plays with the crowd advantage helping the pass rush. It means the Niners’ PA passing and running game slows the game down and reduces total possessions, and either means they are forcing turnovers or punts. Either one sets the Niners up with field position advantage which is how they’ve strangled opponents all season.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I officially deem you
one of those people on NN who actually knows what they are talking about. Well-done, good explanation.
I also think if the 49er win this game, they will need to consider making Andy Lee its unofficial MVP. The regularity with which that guy boots it 60 yards in the air, without putting it into the other team’s endzone, is unreal.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 11, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Here's the thing about Williams
You guys have had only 33 sacks this year, which isn’t a huge number (especially given how much other teams throw on you and how much you blitz) but respectable. The thing is, that’s spread among 15 players. Most teams have one or two guys who get the majority of the sacks – heck, even we have that guy in Aldon Smith – but the spread means that Williams is doing something right.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 9, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
if there's any team to recklessly blitz it's the 49ers
probably the only team in the league that never throws over the top on overload blitzes
Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder
by whistlingmountain on Jan 9, 2012 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
Go ahead, blitz Alex
Blitz often, see where that gets you. I have a little surprise for you if you do. No one expects us, no one fears us. That just happens to be the way we like it.
A pie can be divided into many pieces. For MOST people the goal is to get as many pieces of that pie as possible. It is my goal to eat the WHOLE pie.
Well
Probably the same place we have been all year. He will blitz like mad, wont be successful the majority of the time, and you guys will get your yards.
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I'm trying to find a more updated stat
But a while back, I think around week 6, I read an article about how Alex Smith was the second most successful QB in the league against the blitz (First was Tom Brady). Again, that’s a pretty old stat and I don’t know how it holds up.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 9, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
No one expects us
Because our chief weapon is surprise!
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
Surpise and fear, fear and surprise
Our TWO weapons are fear and surprise
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 10, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
nobody expects the 49ers!
Our chief weapon is surprise…surprise and fear…fear and surprise…. Our two weapons are fear and surprise…and ruthless efficiency…. Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency…and an almost fanatical devotion to Jim Harbaugh…. Our four…no… Amongst our weapons…. Amongst our weaponry…are such elements as fear, surprise….and nice red and gold uniforms.
by Andrew9erfan on Jan 11, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
This guy must be a 49er fan ;)

Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
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hehe, well, I just kept thinking of Humongous...
when reading Andrew9erfan’s comment. Great character, great movie
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
Graham and Sproles

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 11, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep… tall guy and a midget… but don’t worry… Harbaugh is Mad Max.
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rec'ed lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 13, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
"Soon, soon my dogs of war..."
Love that flick. Love it.
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Road Warrior
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
no problem, now that your brought up Beastmaster, I remember liking that one a lot

Good action movie and good eye candy with Tanya Roberts
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
Just curious Mr Grumps
Do you hail from the UK? I think you’ve used the word tonne more than once!
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I enjoy your maple syrup
And Steve Nash.
Question: What do you think of the coming matchup between Jimmy Graham, and Patrick Willis? I’ve seen enough of JG to know how lethal he can be. I also have watched Patrick Willis do unreal things on a regular basis for years.
Have you seen enough of both players to have any reasonable prognostication of what to expect?
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 10, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
I wish we had a Patrick Willis
I have seen and heard enough about him to know what to expect. If he indeed is assigned to JG, then I expect minimal YAC from Jimmy. But Jimmy won’t shy away from a physical defender either. That will be an awesome match-up to watch.
As a generous Canadian, since you enjoy the Maple Syrup and Steve Nash, I offer you Celine Dion, Justin Bieber and Nickleback (no returnsies).
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As if Bryan Adams weren't bad enough...
And, what’s with the three downs in football?
Agree on Graham/Willis, think your analysis is really solid, but your Nickleback offends me. I suspect you have some idea where the video clip below is heading…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=cxa4GwI8MJU
I was REALLY tempted to go with the “aboot” scene…
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 10, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
I like Willis alot
Got to see him in college alot and I believe he is the best ILB in football
Here is the problem I see if he is matched up with graham
It will help open up the middle for the run game and the Saints love to run up the middle between our 2 big guards and I am sure that is something Payton will be looking for
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 10, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
but you are forgetting Willis 2.0
Navarro Bowman, the other All-Pro ILB and all around tackle machine.
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
Whats up with Colston?
Seems like he has to make a bonehead play for every 2-3 positive plays every time I watch the Saints (which isn’t a whole lot, hence the question). Always thought highly of him since I got the fantasy steal of the year his rookie season.
He had 7 catches for 120 yards for them against Detroit.
But he does seem to fumble at the wrong time a lot… I think he did it twice in the Packers game, but he also made up for it a couple times too.
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Nothing
He has had exactly one fumble in the regular season (week one against the Pack). And then coughed up the ball against Detroit. Anomalies for sure. Usually a very sure handed receiver with an impressive catch radius. I have the utmost confidence in that if you guys are successful in blanketing Graham, then Brees will have a good day going to Marques.
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Who got the better swap at center? Goodwin or Brian De La Puente?
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Good question.
I for one am quite happy with how De La Puente has performed. What is your opinion of Goodwin for you guys?
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I’m not amazed by him, but he does his job and that is all I could ask for. Best attribute for a lineman is consistency, he has played consistent this year.
He has
He also knows the New Orleans offense pretty well. Hopefully, Goodwin’s best contribution to the 49ers success is yet to come, and we will see it on Saturday.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 10, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Grateful to have a winning vet on such a young OL
When teams make that leap from losers to SB contender, they have often added a vet or two that has been there and done that. Having a guy who won a SB two seasons ago and was on the roster when the Saints made their leap from joke to contender has been invaubale, especially on the youngest unit on our team.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
My 1st Q would be
You guys wanna trade Brees for Alex Smith? =)
Sure
This guy, Dave Brees is all yours. From what it sounds like he is a great special projects manager for the City of Los Altos.
Contact Info
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by Grumps on Jan 10, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Google search took about 15 seconds.
Dave was a co-worker who just walked by add Brees and there you have it.
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Another turnover question
I know Colston occasionally does dumb things with the ball (otherwise a very good player), but the 49ers defense is great on the turnovers, and not just through the air.
How worried are you guys about the ball security of your offensive players? Cause, not JUST talking sh!# here, but the 49ers actually DO have dudes capable of catching Sproles from behind…
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 10, 2012 11:24 AM PST reply actions
Mentioned the turnover concern above. Ball security is not as big of a concern. We set a record (I believe) with only 6 fumbles in the regular season. Granted we coughed it up twice against Detroit.
I wouldn’t be concerned about catching Sproles from behind. I would be worried about the chunks of yards he gets. He is so tiny he gets lost behind that O-line. When he squirts out it is usually good for a good 6-7 yards.
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That I definitely agree with
But our guys are good with the strip from behind, especially Willis and Justin Smith- if Payton’s smart (and I don’t doubt that he is), I am sure he is preaching that to your skill position players this week…
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 10, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
What do you Niners fans think about the New Stadium talk?
Personally, I’m attached to Candlestick Park and the idea that the Niners play in SF, but then again I’m not a 49ers fan. I just like it when teams keep their historic stadiums..
Is there any chance a football game could be played at AT&T park? lol
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AT&T
They actually play the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl there each year. Also, Cal played their home games at AT&T this year while Memorial Stadium gets renovated. It’s a pretty weak football look (if you were being serious).
I’m happy as long as the 49ers stay in the Bay Area, so I can live with Santa Clara. I don’t go to many games so it’s not a huge issue for me.
by David Fucillo on Jan 10, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
The Santa Clara location has caught on pretty well.
It’s closer to the heart of the fanbase (which is in the South Bay by now) and is expected to be much less of a traffic nightmare. Plus, the 49ers just need a new stadium really badly and the city of San Francisco wasn’t getting anything done.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
I've decided
30-27, last second FG.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
I kind of am getting that feeling too.
Because if you look at the offenses, they are very similar… And the G-men have a slightly better defense. If they can get Rodgers off his drops a bit, it could alter enough throws.
I would say that both teams running games are about even.
So I think:
Packers and Giants Offense: Maybe, mayyyybe slight advantage Packers.
Packers and Giants Defense: Giants
Packers and Giants Special Teams: Slight advantage Packers.
I think defense prevails. Whoever can play the slightly better defense will win this one.
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The Last 5K+ passer the Niners played in the playoffs was Dan Marino in the SB
All I heard all week was how the Miami offense was going to nuke the Niners. Remember how that worked out? Roger Craig scored 3 TD’s for a record and Miami had no answer when they could not pass.
When a QB has to throw that much, it shows a weakness not a strength.
Yes but
The Saints are also 6th in the league rushing, so pick your poison
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New Orleans won't be rushing much Saturday.
If they get over 100 as a team rushing ill be shocked.
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Agreed...
But how do you feel about the screen?
Has SF had a lot of success stopping it?
Usually in New Orleans, when they take away the run successfully, they go right to the screen with Pierre Thomas, and it’s generally pretty potent
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It was the bane of our existence under Manusky. This year has been much improved. Having ILBs like Bowman and Willis help. Also have seen Goldson, Rogers or Whitner make a number of tackles on screens too.
Unlikely to have continued success with it, but I could see us getting fooled once or twice for decent gains.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
Pretty much this
We haven’t faced a huge amount of screens this year, probably the most was vs Philly. However, we’ve been solid vs them, and we usually tackle on first contact so I’m not sure how much of a problem they’ll be.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 10, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Agree
Our ILB are so fast and tackle so well, they neutralize the run game and screens.
by Critical Roach on Jan 10, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Small adjustment
When a QB has to throw that much, it shows a weakness not a strength
This season he didn’t have to throw that much as the run game was putting up very good numbers. He just could and is effective at doing it. Sure we weren’t what appeared to be a balanced offense when you compare pass to rush attempts, but we gained a tonne of yards this year. Both in the air and on the ground. There is no weak part of that offense.
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If you had to rely on your run game...
Do you think it could win the Game?
by Critical Roach on Jan 10, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Definitely if all 3 backs were healthy
Which they are.
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you obviously
haven’t watched much of our run D
I don't think many of them have....
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
What is the most overrated defensive coordinator in the NFL, Gregg Williams, planning on doing against the Niners?
Also, are you worried at all about the potential quarterback pressures through the A-gap from Patrick Willis and NaVorro Bowman, considering your center is more awful than your center last season, Goodwin (who is nothing special at that)?
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
A gap pressure… no worries (not because we give you no respect*… but because our interior is the best in the game.) *Willis is undoubtedly one of the top 3 LB’s in the league.
C and D gap pressure… a little, especially the overload and “wide 9”… we’ve been better against it, but still not able to completely shut it down.
*Willis is undoubtedly one of the top 3 LB’s in the league.
What a joke… now I know you clearly don’t know what the real deal is.
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WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
I just gave your LB a huge complement… that’s not good enough, I guess.
Do I have to say he’s #1 in order to be relevant to you? :-)
…too funny
Who do you put above him then?
I’m honestly curious…
I was just throwing that number out there to be safe… I haven’t analyzed LB’s recently, so I can’t say for sure… but I know he’s top 3.
In this instance then, you get a pass...
If you were to study, you’d see he is the best, but top 3 is a nice safe fallback…
Okay well this makes more sense then.
I think it’s pretty safe to say at this point in his career that Willis is hands down the best ILB in the league. That title no longer belongs to Ray Lewis.
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“What is the most overrated defensive coordinator in the NFL, Gregg Williams, planning on doing against the Niners?”
likely (but just a guess)… minimize your run game and double/bracket Vernon Davis
Well, considering he was leaving Megatron in single coverage in the Lions game,
I doubt he’s going to double Vernon Davis much. It shows how great the rest of your coaching staff is, when you’re winning despite Gregg Williams being your defensive coordinator. The only reason your defense was so good in the Super Bowl winning season, in my opinion, was because your defense was outstanding in forcing turnovers – especially stripping the ball. The defense isn’t forcing turnovers this season, and so I doubt you will win the Super Bowl this season. Your lucky Gregg Williams’ deal is up and he’s linked to the Rams and Jeff Fisher I think.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
OTH: Why is BSPN & National Media making a big deal of a damn preseason game..
It’s very old & outdated material here!! Both teams are clearly NOT the same teams from then till now. Why can’t they actually talk about serious important aspects of the game like special teams, offense & defense? Is ashame what actually gets reported now-a-days.
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The starters were in for like 7 plays. Maybe even if that.
And Harbaugh was mixing and matching non-starters pretty much after the very first play of the game.
But in listening to the players (Goodwin, and Rogers, who played for him in Washington), Gregg Williams doesn’t discriminate, he’ll go after his own offense in practice even. So I really don’t hold anything against him. Fully expect the same thing in this game. Maybe not quite every play because there is more on the line, but I doubt he blitzes less than 60% of the time.
The good news is, the 49ers have had plenty of time to account for all of this. The Olinemen and Alex Smith will have to be very on top of pointing out where the blitzes are coming from. I expect a lot of motions for us and hurry to the the line to sniff them out. Motions can tip off the defense… it can also force them in to taking a valuable time out. So in all honesty, I hope Williams blitzes his little heart out.
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I'm sure the Coaches/Players have had time to study Gregg Williams & his defense....
by now from having time off. But it all boils down to great execution by the entire offense moving in unison down the field.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 10, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
They're looking for a story
Apart from ‘Offense vs Defense’. There’s really nothing personal going on in this game, so they’re grasping at straws to find something.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 10, 2012 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Sean Payton had this to say today:
Payton said 49ers HC Jim Harbaugh is clearly the NFL Coach of the Year “and there isn’t a close 2nd”
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He thinks he's above being kicked in the shins
just because of that blown out knee.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
yea agreed with the "straws" theory
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 10, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
The Game is gonna
come down to turnovers, tackling and field position.
The turnovers are simple. The 3 games the Saints lost, they had 7 Turnovers. All the other 13 games combined they had 12.
exactly
Alex Smith can not turn the ball over.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 10, 2012 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
LSU = Ranked #1 in the Country = Powerhouse Offense!
Oh. Wait. They lost. Got skunked. At home. Total implosion.
I guess you never know when it comes to the big game. Especially on the road…
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LSU was known for their stellar defense. That's how they won all year.
Their offense was not really what you would label a college “powerhouse offense”. Both teams No. 1 and No. 2 had stellar defenses…. but we are talking about college vs. pro’s.
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If turnovers decide the game...
Who is the most likely candidate to turn-it-over on the Saints?
Who do you guys like to rip for fun?
We seem to Rip
Moran Norris here on NN. I like giving him props and watching everyone tear him down. So funny!
by Critical Roach on Jan 10, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
“Who is the most likely candidate to turn-it-over on the Saints?”
Brees b/c he’s trying to force it (INT), or outside pressure gets to him because the coverage is too tight (fumble).
“Who do you guys like to rip for fun?”
fun? not sure we poke fun; but I have a hate-like-hate relationship with CB Patrick Robinson #21… he was total trash at the beginning of the season… got a little better for a few games… got much better for two games… then went back to his old ways vs. the Lions.
The thing looks atrocious
Aren’t the brims supposed to be a lot longer anyways? That short small hat with the colored band has looked ridiculous on anyone I’ve ever seen don it.
Make it so.
How is the Saints' special teams aside from Sproles?
such as coverage, blocking, kicker, punter, etc. ?
- Roby is an excellent gunner in punt and kickoff situations
tackling is moderately above average on punts
kickoffs are out the back of the endzone >90% of the time
punter doesn’t get much punting work (he also kicks off), but he’s one of the top 5 in the league
thanks
interesting about the kickoffs, guess Ginn won’t be much of a factor on returns then
Agreed
but they’ll have to be receiving or on punt returns if their kicker really does kick it out of the endzone more than 90% of the time. Idk how accurate that is though since I dont watch many Saints games.
Outside, wind... kicking off a plant foot burried in mud... all that.
He’ll get some opportunities.
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what makes brees a great QB?
(posted this over at CSC, but the “ask a niners fan” post has gotten a little unwieldy).
I’m always curious what separates good quarterbacks from great quarterbacks (being a niners fan, I haven’t seen many of either in the last decade or so). The way I see it, there are four types of great QBs:
- Accuracy QBs, who survive by fitting passes into ridiculous windows. Phillip Rivers, before this season, I think is best described as a QB who earned his paycheck on his accuracy. (Matt Stafford is potentially an accuracy QB, although how accurate do you have to be when you’re throwing to Calvin Johnson?).
- Strategist QBs, who can beat the defense at the coordinator level. Peyton Manning is the perfect example of this QB, with possibly Matt Ryan as an up-and-coming strategist QB (emphasis on "possibly." we all saw the giants game).
- Survivor QBs, who extend plays with toughness and mobility in the pocket so that they can get the ball down the field. Ben Roethlisberger is clearly this type of QB, and Eli Manning is arguably a great one as well.
- Running QBs, who use the threat of their legs to keep defenses honest while also extending plays. 2010 Michael Vick is the QB who fit this archetype the best, and I don’t have to tell you all about Cam Newton.
Obviously these categories aren’t exclusive (Aaron Rodgers is deadly accurate, but his ability to survive the pass rush is what makes him truly dangerous). Where do you think Brees fits in? Were his skills evident on day one, or did it take him time to develop into a great QB?
It took the right coach
He is a very accurate QB and has a great line protecting him but he understands Paytons offense completely
Its great to have a coach who can design a great offense with many different looks and checks and counter checks
It does no good unless you have someone who understands it completely and can implement it
I believe thats why after the first year when Payton kept it simple we went to the NGCCG and after that he put the whole offense in and it took a couple of years to completely grasp it
That is why it takes a couple of years for a QB and a coach to click on all cylinders and why changing the OC every year like some teams do is just dumb
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 11, 2012 6:59 AM PST up reply actions
Some of the above
Brees can stick a ball into a facemask from 40 yards, at high speed. He’s an excellent strategist, giving himself a lot of options and finding one that works. He has very good pocket mobility…he’s not much of a runner but he’s good at figuring out what to do when the pocket collapses, although he will panic sometimes. His leadership is top notch.
I’m curious, what is it about Alex Smith that has made him successful? Having not really seen him play, just looking at his stats makes him look like Generic Serviceable QB. But what are his talents?
Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?
Alex Smith
I think he is an overall athlete. He can move around in the pocket and avoid sacks, and take off for the first down if he needs too. He isn’t the most accurate passer, but is miles better this year than he was in the past. He throws a very nice deep ball in the middle, but has some issues in throwing the deep sideline streaks(Could be by design..IE throw it where the receiver is the only one with a shot at the ball). For me, the most important thing that has changed this year, from years past is his ability to value the ball. In the pocket, he almost always has 2 hands on the ball, while before this year it has been pretty easy to strip him. He tends to overthink things. With Harbaugh around to calm him down, Alex has been able to stop overthinking and start reacting on the field.
I'd actually call Alex a jack of all trades
He’s not great at any of them, but not bad at any either. Probably strategist is his best feature, simply because he’s so good at limiting mistakes. His Bad Decision Rating was the second best in the league this year after Tom Brady (he made bad decisions on just 1.0% of his dropbacks, compared to Brees who made bad decisions on 2.9%). He has solid touch on his throws, and isn’t great at throwing deep, but it gets there, especially over the middle (he does have some issues with sidelines, but it’s more often over than underthrown so it rarely gets picked). He’s also a solid, underrated athlete who can scramble and make plays with his legs, and he holds onto the football really well.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 11, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
think the overthrowing on deep throws is a confidence issue
he’s so afraid of it getting picked off that he usually gives it a little too much. The accuracy is there.
by reedkrase on Jan 12, 2012 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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my gut feeling too-would like to think that the overthrows were a part of scheming(i.e no turnovers strategy)but agree thats its an instinctive/confidence related thing with AleX
Not sure if he’s that accurate a passer though -would love to think he is and Harbs will bring it out
Man, I can not wait for this freaken game!!!!
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Me too...
The suspense of having a bye week is killing me. I know all the players are going to be super pumped up and anxious to knock someone out.
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especially that Harbaugh has an extra week of game planning.
all this suspense of waiting; watching the cheapest and dirtiest team in the nfl get tebowed, atlanta whiffing again in the playoffs. man can not wait for saturday.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 10, 2012 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah…. I think I am going to lay off anymore “talk” with the opposition… they are so overly confident it’s beyond ridiculous. Reminds me a lot of the Lions fans… but at least the Saints fans are a bit nicer about it…. Just a bit on the cocky “nothing can stop our offense” side of things.
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steeler fans are the worse
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 10, 2012 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
Idk... guess it's different for everyone... but POD has a lot of POS's from what I saw.
But they also had a few decent fans as well…
It’s funny how each set of fans on these blogs are totally different.
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Reading their site Sunday
They were handling the season ending loss quite maturely. That was a brutal way to end a season for a team that entered it with legit Super Bowl expectations.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
karma caught up with them; they do not look so legit now or next year
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 13, 2012 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
IMO
I would rather have been a Steelers fan and been beaten by the Broncos with the man upstairs as their co-pilot, than be a Falcons fans and watch as my team, who mortgaged their future for that missing offensive weapon, offensively put up a goose egg and watch the rest of my team crap all over themselves.
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Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
Look at Drew Brees make this td drive happen late in the game!
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exactly
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 10, 2012 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
That was the one major flaw of that game outside of Baas's great first snap.
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Players, baas snap was not on the staff, and walker dumbled before half.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
The end of the game was mismanaged.
There’s not one single thing you can say to deny it. Leaving ANY time for Brees, especially with timeouts was a sure-fire way to lose that game.
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I disagreed with that then and now
The fina drive was successful and the players went out of bounds as they were supposed to. Our team was trailing by eight and had no assurance of how much time they might need. They actually ran the drive too smartly.They even ran the ball on the goal line to use up time if they were stopped, except they ran right through the defense for the TD.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Nothing like handing the opposition 2 points
Then three toward the end after muffing a punt. For one of the few times last season, out coaching staff actually had an effective game plan on both sides. Turnovers killed us.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Yeah... Brees I think threw for 250 yards opposed to his normal 700 per game.
And that was with Clements and Spencer in there.
Different offense though with Sproles and Graham… both of which had played on grass before.
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…..and I think was it Michael Lewis or Taylor Mays in that one?
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Besides the awesomeness that is Andy Lee
Is there any part of the 49ers offense that worries you? Our offense is not nearly as prolific as the Saint’s offense but there’s something we’ve got to be doing right, right?
Screw 2010, hoping to get LUCKy in 2011.
David Akers
Stopping him will be the key to the game
But seriously, Gore looks threatening, but I think Saints have a decent chance of somewhat containing him.
And if Alex Smith is smart enough to figure out the Saints glaring weakness in pass protection, there may be some trouble.
Niners to win by at least 10, barring any garbage time TDs. Guaranteed!
This is such an outstanding match-up for us.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Today sucks , because it not Saturday ...
Tomorrows going to suck , because it’s not Saturday …
Fridays going to suck , because it’s not Saturday …
Saturdays going to suck , if your a Saints fan …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
by Edggy on Jan 11, 2012 9:10 AM PST reply actions 7 recs
Ha....
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 11, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
One thing
that I didn’t know before this week was that the Saints have the 6th most rushing yards, and are 4th in y/c. I always thought they were a passing team.
Looking further into the box scores, I have also found that they are especially good at running the ball at home.
(Taking away all kneeldowns at the end of the game)
At home: 223/1331 5.97 y/c 11 tds. 166.4 yards/game
Those are amazing numbers for a pass-first offense. However, the overall numbers aren’t as good.
Away from home: 201/803 4.0 y/c 5 tds 100 yards/game.
Kinda makes sense really. The Saints have played quite a bit better at home, getting an early lead, and then running the ball at the end of games to run out the clock.
The 3 losses they have:
60/208 3.47 y/c 2 tds 69.3 yards/game.
Seems easy to see that the Saint’s running game is a very important part of their offense. Stop that and you give yourself a chance to beat them.
Seems so
I posted a graph about this a few weeks ago. Things we found out:
Saints running yards directly correlate to their point differential. Passing yards do not.
Saints are 1-3 when rushing under 100 yards, and 12-0 rushing 100+. The one win was @ATL in OT, by a FG.
Some of this is probably grinding out the clock while up by several scores, that happens quite a bit. Don’t see that happening this week, but you never know.
Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 11, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
What percentages would you say play calling duties are between Pete Carmichael & Sean Payton?
Or it’s mostly Sean Payton? If so, what roles does Carmichael play for the team (ie. puts in mulitple packages for the team during the week..etc.)?
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Its almost all Carmichael
Payton has final say and offers suggestions, but Pete is the man.
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Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
Interesting, it's the same thing done here w/ Greg Roman...
Good to see two good offensive minded coaches, not micro-manage the in-game offensive playcalling. That’s the way it should be let the OCoord do their jobs & obviously during curcial downs have imput from both HC with the final say. Unlike Dallas with Jason Garrett actually calling the plays but not tending to the other parts of the game, which I think will be his downfall eventually over there.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 13, 2012 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
I agree on all points
But it’s Dallas. I love watching them screw themselves.
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Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
oooh yea totally; love watching Dallass continue their demise
I wish Jerry to continue his Radier-like GM prowess ….
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 13, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
12th Man - Our Fans Get to Play Today.
How does it feel as a Saints fan not being able to play in the game today. Our team gave our fans the gift of being able to effect the game today with a loud and thunderous roar! Do you feel a bit left out today?

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