Kaepernick vs. Smith
by Champion49 on Feb 12, 2012 9:38 PM PST
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PrintEvery NFL quarterback has pro's and con's. Some examples:
Pro's-Most efficient passer in the league.
Con's-Plays aggressive througout game. Resulting in costly interceptions
Pro-One of, if not the smartest QB's ever.
Con-Cannot scramble to avoid pressure.
etc.
So the talk of NN is all about Colin Kaepernick's future and whether he will be the next Joe Montana. San Francisco's QB is currently Alex Smith, the efficient yet conservative player. Here are Kaepernick and Smiths final college season stats.
Kaepernick-
Year-Senior 2010
Attempts-359 Completions-233 Completion Percentage-64.9%
TD-21 INT-8
Smith
Year-Junior 2004
Attempts-317 Completions-214 Completion Percentage-67.5
TD-32 INT-4
The stats don't really look like there is any comparison between these two QB's. Smith has a better completion % and a far better TD:INT ratio. But Kaepernick shares the D1 record for most rushing TD's as a QB with 59, and is the only QB to throw for 10,000 and run for 4,000 in the history of the NCAA. Him along with Tim Tebow and Cam Newton are the only QB's to throw for 20 TD's and run for 20 TD'S in the one season.
So if you're arguing about who's better you really can't say right now. Smiths college stats don't even compare to his NFL stats (besides this past year) and we all know that most NCAA QB's that are dual-threat players don't necessarily translate to super-stars in the NFL. Here are some points to argue for/against one of the two SF QB's.
Smith vs. Kaepernick
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Smith |
Similarities |
Kaepernick |
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Veteran |
Strong NCAA careers |
Inexpirienced |
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Proven (2011) |
Mobile QB's |
Little playing time |
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Multiple Offensive coordinators |
Similar offenses in college |
Physically dominant |
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Lacked confidence |
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Confident with himself |
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Harbaugh’s pick |
Both had good college coaches |
May have angered Harbaugh with comments |
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Urban Meyer |
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Neil Ault |
I know that I am anticipating Colin's first full season as a starter. But next year i really think that Smith should get the nod. He proved he fits the complicated offense. But i think it would be a huge mistake to wait three years for Kaep to start. If the 49ers lock up the division and a high seeding CK should get some much needed playing time, that way we can see what he'll be like.
I know that I can read all of these articles about the offseason, QB controversy and such with confidence because of the man at the wheel. Jim Harbaugh. Looks like its going to be a very long offseason, its only February. Wow.
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May have angered Harbaugh with comments
Harbaugh’s pick
harbaugh drafted kaepernick.
He proved he fits the complicated offense.
There was nothing complicated about our offense and alex was very mediocre this year. ints was the only category he was good at and was close to the bottom in a few.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
yeah
i had no idea the first name so i guessed
by Champion49 on Feb 13, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
May have angered Harbaugh with comments
What comments? The comment that he expects a fair competition for the starter job? I’ve to confess that it’s difficult to erase the taste of mediocrity with one good season, but if Smith is clearly the better QB in training camp then he should start.
Can't get too mad
Harbs is always the one saying “the best will play at every position, everything is earned, nothing is given”.
If he’s getting angry for Colin saying essentially that, and that he is looking forward to competing, then we should all temper our adoration of Harbaugh. It’s one thing to not want to talk scheme and injury with the press, it’s another thing to advertise one type of team culture and practice another.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
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Apparently Kaep got that info from an outside source. Harbaugh denied saying that and the media is acting as if Harbaugh said that. there is chance that he would be mildly flustered. I didnt say he was i said may.
Harbaugh did say that....
I his post-season press conference when asked about Smith returning and being guaranteed that job, Harbs said that they would approach next season the same way “roll the balls out, and let them compete.”
by 9thevolution on Feb 13, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
Harbaugh hates the media
If the media said that Harbaugh said that he loved his wife he would probably say I don’t think I said that.
And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman
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by manraj7 on Feb 13, 2012 8:18 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Kick Smith's butt Kaep!
Take that job by force!
Call me cautiously optimistic....because I know what the Niners do to people who have real optimism (see the last 8 years).
by crumpedup15 on Feb 13, 2012 12:47 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
If he did good for him. But not gonna happen yet
Maybe 3 or 4 years down the road Kaep will be ready to be a fantastic starter for the next 7 or 8 years
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 13, 2012 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
no
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 14, 2012 2:39 AM PST up reply actions
Too long to wait.
He sits for 3 or 4 years and he’s much more likely to turn out AJ Feely than Aaron Rodgers. Players need to play. Learning can only take you so far before you need experience and he’s not going to get that riding pine. We already have a run based ball control offense and a smothering defense — a young QB can’t be more protected than that.
If we’re going to let Alex run the offense for 3 or 4 more years then just make sure Kap can handle handing off in injury duty and draft another guy when we’re finally ready to move on from Alex.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Not sure if Feely is a great example or not
His name just popped in my head. Put in whatever name screams “career backup” to you.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Gannon developed the most while he sat
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 14, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Career backup from the ages of 28-32
Elite starter from 33-37
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 14, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
And for every Gannon
There were 50 guys who held clipboards and hung out with the punter.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
And maybe 2 of them had anything approaching Kaep's natural abilities
Kaep needs to be developed for a long time. So long as he isn’t beat up and we let him see action in blowouts he’ll be fine.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 14, 2012 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
By the way - 1 of the above 2
Was Steve Young who was league elite from 31 to 37
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 14, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
And I'm ok with that. You know I think Alex is a top 1/6th of the league starter in terms of efficiency.
If Kaep never takes the reins from him and is an elite backup and we later draft the true freshman backing up Tyler Bray at Tennessee so be it.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 14, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Chances are good that Alex will miss at least 1 game with injury
And Kaep will get a start/significant play time. Hope nothing serious happens, but it’s hard for any QB to play an entire season multiple years in a row.
Stop with exaggerations!
He was only 48. He played like he was 58…
Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....
Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB
I doubt Harbaugh is upset with Kaep about his comments
More than likely Harbaugh called Kaep and said something like this.
“Look, love your spirit. You keep training and keep that desire. However, I doubt that you’re starting next year. Alex is the man currently. Don’t let that stop you from competing though!”
Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....
Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB
doubt it
I’m sure Harbaugh loves to hear guys that want to do more than wear a hat and hold a clipboard. He probably said, “want the job? Earn it. Love that intensity”
by mcwagner on Feb 14, 2012 7:02 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
That I can see more than
Harbaugh being mad because the backup want to start.
Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....
Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB
Not if our OL continues giving up 9 sack games....
We could lose Smith for the year and be forced to see how ready Kaepernick is.
by 9thevolution on Feb 14, 2012 6:22 AM PST up reply actions
Just to kill all speculation about Kaepernick comments....
Taken from the January 23rd season ending presser with Harbaugh. Smith will earn the job next year, just as he did this year…..
It also means that with a full offseason, anybody will have a chance to go out and win a starting spot; including Culliver, Kilgore, Hunter, Williams or anyone else you can think of.
Jim, you’ve also talked a lot in the past about – everybody has to earn their position. If Alex comes back, is it just his job or does QB Colin Kaepernick get a chance to show you over the entire offseason, and in training camp, what he can do?
“Well, I think you pretty much know how we go about that. Everything is earned. Everything is competed for. That was the beauty of Alex Smith in this past offseason. Many people have written how we told him the job was his, we never said that. We said that we would get the best quarterbacks in here and throw out the balls and that’s a position that’s earned. That’s never an anointed position. I’ve always been very exact in the way we’ve said that. Not just the way we say it, but the way we do it.”
by 9thevolution on Feb 14, 2012 7:50 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I don't get why people don't understand this...
The quarterback position is always going to be a competition. The guy who has the most exerience has a good advantage, but if someone better comes along, he’s going to have to work harder to get the job.
Even Peyton Manning can be replaced. Orton lost his job to Tim Tebow. Can Alex lose his starting position? The answer is yes. He’s going to have to keep improving, because that’s what Kaepernick is going to do.
I think Alex is going to be the starter next season. I’m 90% on that. But we aren’t going to give the position to some guy who is the coach’s favorite. Didn’t we learn our lesson with J.T. O’Sullivan?
"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that."
--Jerry Rice
by Pat Willie on Feb 14, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It's really amazing how little faith this fan base has in Harbaugh's
ability to put the best QB out on the field. This past season he was able to use Alex at put him in a position to succeed and it benefited the team as a whole. If Alex is not the best option for next season, he’s not going to start.
I’m going to trust that a former NFL QB, Current Coach of the year and coach of the QB that is replacing Peyton Manning knows what’s going to work best for the Niners.
by throwthedamnball on Feb 14, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Well said...
I still look forward to ck behind center down the road….he was throwing through the crossbars from the opposite 40 says Matt maiocco. If he could work on his accuracy he could very well be unstoppable. Reading defense will come with time. One of 3 qbs ever to rush for 20 and throw for 20??? The future looks bright.
by Shaun Johnson on Feb 14, 2012 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
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