DeSean Jackson Rumors: Eagles Expected To Franchise Talented Receiver
by David Fucillo on Feb 13, 2012 6:01 AM PST
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PrintThis might not come as a surprise to many folks, but word out of Philadelphia is that the Eagles will definitely be placing the franchise tag on DeSean Jackson barring a contract extension before then. There had been some chatter the Eagles might let Jackson walk this offseason, but the franchise tag provides them with an assortment of options ranging from playing under the tag, signing a long-term deal, getting traded, or the team eventually rescinding the tag if they can't find a trading partner and don't want to deal with Jackson for another year.
There has never been any word that the 49ers are at all interested in DeSean Jackson. There has been plenty of discussion in the comments here, but it is stuck in the general speculative discussion among fans.
Even if the 49ers have no interest in Jackson, his situation does impact many of the teams looking for wide receivers. Plenty of teams will be looking to add a playmaker and when you potentially remove one from the table, there is a bit of a domino effect on the other teams. Some of the quality talent out there includes Dwayne Bowe, Marques Colston, Vincent Jackson, Steve Johnson, and Brandon Lloyd.
We've discussed the wide receiver position in a variety of ways with people having drastically different opinions on some of the top-end talent. So, it's time to vote. I've removed DeSean Jackson from the equation so please don't vote other if you want Jackson. Let's assume it's any unrestricted free agent BUT DeSean Jackson. If you vote other, please provide a name and why.
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We should bring back Stevie Johnson to the 49ers
He is after all a Bay Area Native.
"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton
by Nelow on Feb 13, 2012 7:12 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Stevie Johnson is where I think the sweet spot is
but now that Randy Moss is back in play, I wonder if he will take league minimum. :)
by asmithisaverage on Feb 13, 2012 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
Randy Moss says he coming back to Football ... not a Moss fan , just sayin ...!!
… http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/13/randy-moss-says-hes-coming-back/
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Sign Moss
To a very cheap one year deal with incentives, if he starts acting up cut him and no big deal
by 49erEmpire on Feb 13, 2012 10:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
He blocks just fine when motivated. His motivational drop off would be due to poor qb play, if it took place.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
His motivational play would drop off any time he’s not getting the ball. I don’t recall him being a good blocker, but maybe he can be passable. At his age and temperament, I doubt it.
Do your research, he has always been an above average blocker.
He’s smart enough to use his body correctly. His play doesn’t drop off when not getting the ball, there’s more to it than that.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
How about he pay the 49ers for taking up a roster spot?
And even then he wouldn’t be worth it.
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That’d be one way to bring “Ziggy” back. LOL
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by kailuakid9er on Feb 13, 2012 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
James Bowie..
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 13, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Contrarian approach
Let me first say that I’d love it if we could get Bowe or Stevie Johnson. But6 judging from the last 2 drafts and the 2011 FA signings, I feel like Baalke is more of a contrarian when it comes to personel moves.
If that is indeed the case, then I believe he goes for a mid-tier FA WR, someone that most other teams will overlook. Someone like Robert Meachem fromt he Saints. I’m not saying it’ll be Robert Meachem for sure, but someone of that caliber. Someone who hasn’t put up #1 WR numbers due to scheme or where he sits on the depth chart, but someone who has #1 WR capabilities and attributes.
"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin
My favorite approach
Create your own stars rather than trying to buy them from someone else. So much downside in the high priced FA’s. No only for what they cost but for the fact that they make it harder to keep your own. Sign our guys first!
"It's impossible to hide the fire inside" - Bob Seger
I agree and voted other
I’d rather see the niners get Meachem or Manningham at a reasonable price and use their $ to keep their home grown players like Ahmad Brooks and Dashon Goldson. I think the 9ers will pull the same play as last year, i.e.: drive up the price of the big names by publicly saying they are in the market and then swoop in on a reasonably priced WR and get 1 or 2 additional WRs from the draft.
Manningham a #1?
I don’t think he’s a #1 WR, but he would be a significant upgrade to our WR corps. Maybe him and some WR diamonds in the rough in the draft.
"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin
by kailuakid9er on Feb 13, 2012 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
Meachem kinda sucks
He goes off some games sure, but how much of that is Drew Brees? Two catches for 110 yards is cool, but it takes a special kind of QB to make those throws imo. And there is a lot of games where he gets targets and still ends up with a goose egg. Meachem would replace Ginn as the burner, but then we’d have no returner…
by asmithisaverage on Feb 13, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe. Maybe not.
Pro Football Focus ranks him among the Top 50 FA’s this season. See link below.
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/13/pffs-top-50-free-agents/
He had 65.3% reception percentage (Targets/Receptions) which was better than every WR on our team last year except for Morgan.
"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin
by kailuakid9er on Feb 13, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Should be a red flag
If his reception percentage isn’t better than our #2b considering Brees and that offense versus Alex and our offense.
Maybe we should just pay Morgan?
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Better rec% than some bigger name receivers
Roddy White 55%
Hakeem Nicks 59%
MEGATRON 62%
Victor Cruz 64%
Dwayne Bowe 57%
Mario Manningham 52%
Mike Wallace 60%
Stevie Johnson 57%
Andre Johnson 61%
"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin
by kailuakid9er on Feb 13, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Those stats are hard to parse
and probably says more about the QB than the WR. The receivers you listed get like 10+ targets a game which is not how Meachem plays.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 13, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Catches what's thrown to him
Which is what our primary complaint has been about some of our present WR corps.
My intial point was that he would be a likely candidate (like other mid-tier FA WR’s) if Baalke takes the contrarian approach to signing free agents like he did last season.
Plus if you guys want to split hairs about his nominal numbers I’d point to Carlos Rogers as an example of a potential turn around of a FA signing. How many of us thought we were getting a consolation prize when he was signed? Most if not all of us.
Meachem has the size, speed, and ability to be a #1 WR. Has he been a #1 WR? No. Can he be a #1 WR? Who’s to say he, or someone similar, can’t be a #1 WR for us?
"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin
by kailuakid9er on Feb 13, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Not really
Meachem probably is not drawing double coverage on passes that go to him. That’s how the Saints offense works. Everyone else on your list would be drawing double coverage on a huge percentage of plays.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 13, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe not
Yes, that’s how the Saint’s offense works. We’d all love it if the Niners passing game worked like that too. Wouldn’t we? They have so many weapons that they can’t all be double covered. That doesn’t mean that Meachem couldn’t beat a double team.
Meachem still has decent size and speed and would immediately upgrade our WR if signed.
But it could end up being some other mid-tier FA WR.
"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin
by kailuakid9er on Feb 13, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
he can't beat a double team because he won't get double teamed
Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94
Rule #2) Follow rule #1
10+ Targets
Roddy White-181 total 11.3/g
Hakeem Nicks-133 total 8.9/g
Megatron-158 total 9.9/g
Cruz-131 total 8.2/g
Bowe-141 total 8.8/g
Manningham-77 total 6.4/g
Wallace-113 total 7.1/g
Stevie Johnson-135 total 8.4/g
Andre Johnson-51 total 7.3/g
Meachem-61 total 3.8/g
Quite a bit of variety of targets/game in that list. Having other targets around you means you can’t be double teamed as much. Not getting the ball as much means you can’t get into any kind of rhythm. Not sure how losing targets can make a person more liable to catch a ball. You either catch it, or you don’t.
Plus small sample size for Morgan
"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin
by kailuakid9er on Feb 13, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Better than rec% than some bigger name receivers
Roddy White 55%
Hakeem Nicks 59%
MEGATRON 62%
Victor Cruz 64%
Dwayne Bowe 57%
Mario Manningham 52%
Mike Wallace 60%
Stevie Johnson 57%
Andre Johnson 61%
"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin
by kailuakid9er on Feb 13, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Abouve heading should read
Better rec% than some bigger name receivers
"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin
by kailuakid9er on Feb 13, 2012 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
I put Stevie Johnson in the developmental category
He’s been good, but not great. He will come in cheap and can turn into a top5 WR with a QB with good chemistry.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 13, 2012 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
Meachem is a good possibility, reports were Niners liked, were interested in him during the draft that year. Obviously they picked Willis instead.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Feb 13, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
My god
can you imagine if we had Meachem instead of Willis. wow that would be awful
by asmithisaverage on Feb 13, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps
Bounced from the Rams to Falcons for 4 years before having kind of a breakout season (11 TD’s) with Dallas this year.
Decent size: 6’2" 195lbs
Speed (40 yard low/high/avg): 4.33 / 4.51 / 4.38
rec%: 67.5 (54 catches/80 targets)
"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin
by kailuakid9er on Feb 13, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
That would be Crabtree
Someone who hasn’t put up #1 WR numbers due to scheme or where he sits on the depth chart, but someone who has #1 WR capabilities and attributes.
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
That would not be Crabtree, he can not be a #1 without an elite QB. He isnt going to change how the defense plays anyone.
He will not ever have the respect to be doubled.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Like football Moneyball!
If it continues to work…GENIUS!!!
History will repeat itself ...
Once free agency is done, we’re all going to be scratching our heads and dooming our season as a rebuilding year. When we’re halfway through the season we will finally see the talent of the players drafted.
by Leoniner on Feb 13, 2012 8:52 AM PST via mobile reply actions
That's what I expect
and hope that we get similar results, though I won’t be
dooming our season as a rebuilding year.Our time is NOW!
"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin
by kailuakid9er on Feb 13, 2012 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
Thoughts on who's the best fit for the Niners ...
How about a process of elimination?
1. Not Brandon Lloyd … too many bad memories and he is somewhat inconsistent.
2. Not Colston because he will not leave New Orleans … he’s a great fit for them and they can afford him.
3. Not Stevie Johnson … can you imagine the dropped ball contests between Stevie and Crabtree? No thanks.
4. Not VJ although he’d be great … older (re: long-term contract) and WAY TOO EXPENSIVE.
5. So, the winner is … Dwayne Bowe! Younger, motivated to join a winning team, probably more reasonably priced.
However, I also draft the best second-tier (Blackmon, Floyd, Wright will be gone) WR available in the April draft.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 13, 2012 8:52 AM PST reply actions
Can we all do ourselves a favor and stop making stuff up about Stevie Johnson's drops?
He had 4 drops all season on 134 targets, or 2% of passes thrown his way. Bowe had 12 drops on 141 targets… 4x worse than Stevie Johnson. In 2011, Johnson had better hands than literally everyone you listed. Facts people, let’s use them.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 13, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
Best second-tier WR ??
I have seen a few mock drafts over the last week or so that have listed Alson Jeffrey as being the pick for the 49ers. I think that seems like a good fit for us, then get someone like Bowe or Manningham. I’d be happy with that.
we won't know who we get in the draft
free agency opens before the draft and most big name guys will be gone before the draft. So, unless Harbaugh does what he did this year and goes for the low profile FA’s we will know our FA signings before the draft can determine if we CAN get a decent value 1st or 2nd round WR
by JoeMontanaND3SF16 on Feb 13, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Wes Welker had a drop at a far worse time in the Superbowl
you telling me you wouldn’t want Wes Welker?
Stevie corrected himself and stopped almost all the drops this year. I don’t really see why everyone has to let ESPN dictate how they feel about a player.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 13, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
His crap attitude
Is what dictated how much I don’t like him. Not espn.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
I guess
if your friends brother played with him six or seven years ago then it must be the truth.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 13, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
It was about four years ago. Maybe five.
And it’s still a helluva lot more than you know about the guy. I’ll take that over somebody who hasn’t known any of his teammates.
But I guess you know more than everyone else on the subject. If you are guessing (key word) he isnt a jerk, that must be true. Right?
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
But espn is at fault for giving him a bad image.
Lmao
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
dude your third hand rumor is just like espn
a total joke and you seem proud of it
by asmithisaverage on Feb 13, 2012 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
Wow. LoL
Didn’t really think that actually knowing a teammate of his for three years was “third hand rumor”. That’s not “just like ESPN”, regardless of what you choose to think.
Sorry I actually have more information to go off of than television. I don’t agree about his attitude, because I know a couple people who ACTUALLY know Johnson. If you consider that a joke, I don’t know what to tell you. And, that’s far less of a joke than you just guessing and assuming you know what he’s like. I actually had something to say based off of something more than my imagination.
But then again, what would his teammates from college know about him? I’m sure you know MUCH more about dude’s attitude than they do, so I’ll leave it to you from now on.
Don’t whine because people don’t agree.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
You know a guy who knows a guy
That’s not evidence of anything. I’m happy to understand you are peddling a rumor that Stevie is a bad teammate. I wonder if you brother’s friend is is bitter of some imagined slight. I wonder who in Buffalo thinks that. I wonder how much Fitzpatrick will drop without a top target. Who knows? What I do know WR production often comes with some swagger and not everyone likes that.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 14, 2012 6:39 AM PST up reply actions
Whatever you say, dude.
Why me or my buddy would be bitter is beyond me, but if you say it, it must be true.
I was just trying to add something that might be helpful to the discussion. My friend of 20+ years, who I knew since he was born, played at UK and started for 4 years, three of which while Johnson was there. All I said was he told me Johnson wasn’t the best teammate in the world, and was a jerk in the locker room.
And watching him on Sunday’s, I think my buddy has a valid point. Johnson is all about himself, more so than most WRs. Sorry we don’t agree, but there isn’t a need to complain about someone’s opinion when they basically have more information on the subject than you do.
Yea, I know a guy who knows Johnson. There is a difference between one of his college teammates saying he was full of swagger and saying he was a jerk who didn’t get along with a lot of people. But believe what you want.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
No, I am saying you have unsubstantiated uncorroborated story you are peddling as fact
It isn’t even your opinion, it is someone else’s opinion. Assuming you are a mature adult not working for the National Enquirer, you should understand why that deserves many grains of salt.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 14, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
You prolly talking bout the jets game were he had key drops
by Moflush on Feb 13, 2012 11:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Johnson is an awful teammate.
Take that from somebody who’s best friends brother played with him in college.
No thank you. And his dropsies are bad. He doesn’t have a huge number of them, but they are ALWAYS at important times in games. Again, no thanks.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Can we all do ourselves a favor and stop making stuff up about Michael Crabtree's drops?
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
Go the money ball approach
One year deal for Moss. He’s not going to get big money, take the gamble if it works out great. If it doesn’t it was a one year deal.
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by EcERyda69 on Feb 13, 2012 10:18 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Too much risk even in that.
I’d sooner see T.O. playing for us.
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by JoeMontanaND3SF16 on Feb 13, 2012 12:35 PM PST reply actions
wr does not matter without improvement from the qb position
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 13, 2012 12:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Well it does in the sense
that we need to get a guy who can thrive with a bad QB. e.g. Stevie Johnson or Bowe.
I’d just rather get the one who is cost effective and spend the other good salary cap money elsewhere.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 13, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
you described josh morgan
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 14, 2012 1:21 AM PST up reply actions
So better receivers wouldn't make a QB better?
Serious logic fail.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
not when it already has proved itself
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 14, 2012 1:21 AM PST up reply actions
Steve Johnson
Bowe and VJ will ask for a lot of money, and with us needing to resign Dashon, Rogers, Alex and possibly Brooks they will be too much for us.
Johnson has a lot of talent and can be a legit #1 WR for us.
Bowe's price was $10M on a discount I heard last week
VJ will be what? $11/12M?
by asmithisaverage on Feb 13, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
No, VJax is better than Bowe.
and you’ve got to be joking
by asmithisaverage on Feb 13, 2012 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
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