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49ers Offense: Anticipating Offseason Moves and Progression

In 2011 and into 2012, we saw the 49ers offense develop into a dependable unit that excelled at ball control and creativity. Even though it was a shortened offseason, and the 49ers were in the midst of a total makeover, there was clear growth and an identity began to take shape. In the upcoming 2012 regular season, I think the 49ers have reason to believe there will be an even grander leap from the offense.

I'd like to identity a few rumored changes that might take place and open up opportunities for the offense.

1. The 49ers will carry one full back

I think it's pretty evident Moran Norris will not be returning to the 49ers this year; not only because of the emergence of Bruce Miller but in packages where the 49ers use 2+ blocking backs, Isaac Sopoaga has found a place on the offense. Because the team has so many versatile players, there is no reason to use a roster spot for an aging full back. This will allow the 49ers to fill that spot with say, an extra tight end or wide receiver -- this means more depth for offensive weapons.

2. The right guard position

Whatever the 49ers decide to do at this position, I believe there will be improvement from 2011 to 2012. With the end near for Chilo Rachal and Adam Snyder's contract being up, the position needs to be addressed. I'm not opposed at all to bringing Snyder back as that will mean some continuity at perhaps the most important place for it on the offense. To have the 5 same offensive linemen together from this year to the next would be a positive.

However, the other routes San Francisco could go would be free agency where someone like Carl Nicks would be available. Also, if the 49ers missed out on Nicks and Snyder, they could trade up for Stanford's David DeCastro in the first round. Whatever Trent Baalke and Jim Harbaugh decide on, I will feel confident.

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3. Only 2 wide receiver's remain

San Francisco has some serious decision making to do when it comes to the wide receiver position; only Kyle Williams and Michael Crabtree are signed on for the upcoming season. That means 2011 WR's Ted Ginn Jr., Joshua Morgan, Braylon Edwards (CUT), Brett Swain and Joe Hastings may not be back. I don't feel Baalke has really focused yet on bringing in a long-term solution to the wide receiver woes, but we've seen what he's capable of when he's looking to fix something. I expect his attention to be geared toward the offense this offseason, particularly at the receiver spot. I'd like Morgan back but feel Ginn is more replaceable.

The 49ers could do a number of things in different combination's. The big question is whether or not they address the WR issue in free agency or draft. If it's free agency, I think most fans would like Dwayne Bowe, Vincent Jackson or Stevie Johnson. If it's the draft, I think its more diverse but folks would likely be praying for Alshon Jefferey to fall to #30. I also think Michael Floyd could get it done at the next level, but I believe the 49ers should draft two receivers regardless. There are some mid to late round prizes to be had, and I expect San Francisco to know who they are.

4. Alex Smith's return

If you caught the pictures of Alex Smith caddying for Jim Harbaugh, you're probably as certain as the rest of us that Alex Smith will be the 49ers starting quarterback next season. Furthermore, I expect him to progress rather than regress. What I fear most is a Josh Freeman-like regression that turns our season on itself, but I don't expect it. I think Harbaugh will be hands on working with Smith a lot more this offseason and we could be once again wowed by Smith's performance.

5. Open up the playbook

I really liked what I saw in terms of play design and play calling from San Francisco for most of the season, especially toward the back half. With a full offseason in place, key players added and excess baggage subtracted, I believe they will open up the playbook even more under Greg Roman and Harbaugh's direction. Smith will be even more comfortable and the year to year consistency should really help plays blossom on the field.

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alshon jeffery

I read on twitter that right now he weighs over 280lbs and runs a 4.88, ummm, no thanks…

by sundaysfinest on Feb 14, 2012 10:11 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Sweet

Hopefully he falls to the late 2nd round and he help him get better…

Ultra-projectable
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.

by fjm on Feb 14, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

fwiw, scouts inc. said he was one of the hardest workers on south carolina. they also have him rated as a high 2nd rder

Let them hate us as long as they fear us. -- Caligula

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by postcholo on Feb 14, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe you weren't paying attention...

He read it on Twitter. I think that means its undebatable truth.

"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that."
--Jerry Rice

by Pat Willie on Feb 14, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting thinking about draft and free agency. I am going to go out on a limb and say the 9ers will not pursue big contract free agents for the WR position, I expect them to draft 1 and bring in a few udfa. I personally would draft two, one with kr/pr skills and also a cb that is a dual threat.

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 14, 2012 10:24 AM PST reply actions  

yeah, i cant see them spending on a big name WR. if this past season was any indication, we wont be using them anyway even if we do sign them. then people will be calling for his head a la antonio bryant

"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais

by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 14, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

agree...

i would love to have vjax/ djax/ stevie johnson/ bowe/ colston (in no particular order) but don’t see us spending big bucks on a FA wr…i wouldn’t mind waiting it out and gettin one on a better deal anyways…

by MUAJxxCEEM on Feb 14, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

When you say that you liked the opening up of the playbook toward the second half of the season, what do you mean? I actually thought that getting away from the effective run game we had might have hurt us. Especially in the NFC Championship game.

by WesHanson on Feb 14, 2012 10:24 AM PST reply actions  

Playbook

It started off real slow in the beginning of the season if you remember and we were all waiting for them to open it up so we could get a preview of what was to come. The staff is creative and innovative, and I believe it’s only the tip of the iceberg here. Even though it didn’t work, I love that they added Sprint Right Option to the playbook. The throwback screens, taking advantage of mismatches, throwing out of heavy packages and wide receiver runs, etc…that’s what I mean

by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 14, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

1 play specifically

I wanted to point out the 2-pt conversion play vs the Giants in week 10. That one sticks in mind; it was so well executed, it looked like they practiced it a thousand times. The one where Crabtree goes in motion from the left, and runs a slant to the sideline and Smith put it right on the money.

by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 14, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

rice used to run that all the time..

that was one of our bread and butter plays but not out of the backfield like crabs did..

by MUAJxxCEEM on Feb 14, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree with that. That was an awesome play. I wasn’t necessarily disagreeing with you either, I just think we sort of lost sight of our run game toward the end.

by WesHanson on Feb 14, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed

I think it was partially because of injury, but they did get a little aggressive throwing the ball and less carries went to the backs. I didn’t get why gore wasn’t getting 15-25 per game later on

by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 14, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s what bothered me the most. It’s not that passing game was bad due to play calling (well it was sometimes) but I thought the ground game just disappeared. Also, if Gore is a bit dinged up, then throw Hunter in there. Dude proved his worth over the season.

by WesHanson on Feb 14, 2012 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

we could be once again wowed by Smith’s performance.

people were wowed by this past season? the only thing that wowed me was the saints game

What I fear most is a Josh Freeman-like regression that turns our season on itself, but I don’t expect it.

first off, josh freeman played a lot better in his big year than alex did this season. also, i dont think it would “turn our season on itself” considering how little we actually use alex smith regardless.

"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais

by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 14, 2012 10:25 AM PST reply actions  

We likely won't even bring Johnson in for an interview...

There is no money to bring in a back up QB when we have one on the roster already. Besides, Johnson is not a good QB and never has been.

by 9thevolution on Feb 14, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Alex has also never regressed

Freeman had a terrible season after an awesome one. I don’t think I have ever seen anything like this including Derek Anderson. What on Earth is wrong in TB?

by mcwagner on Feb 14, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

never regressed?

alex smith regressed in yards per game and td’s per game; and was one of his lowest attempts per game; in his 7nth season.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 14, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

That is not a regression.

That is proper execution of a new offense.

Stop cherrypicking fantasy stats. Everybody with a pair of eyes saw that he progressed on all fronts.

by Mindless on Feb 14, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

proper execution=not throwing td’s and not throwing for passing yards

i understand now!

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 14, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

The attempts stat alone should tell you that it was the offense

Alex can’t throw the ball on running plays, and did exactly what Harbaugh wanted him to do on passing plays, namely protect the rock and not take undue risks. Every time we got a lead we got ultra conservative. We barely even threw the ball in the red zone, which is one of Alex’s strengths. And before you go spouting that it was because Harbaugh did that because he knows how “limited” Alex is, it was more because they were bringing the offense along slowly so as not to overwhelm the personnel. Look how long it to VD to get comfortable. Every time we got down in games and Alex had to produce, he did (the NFCCG notwithstanding. Can’t win’em all). Alex did EXACTLY what Harbaugh wanted him to do.

Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.

by NoDakNiner on Feb 14, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m sure Harbaugh wanted Smith to hit open receivers. JEEBUS!!

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 14, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

nobody said he doesn't need to get better

But it’s not like he killed our season by any means. Alex helped much more than he hurt this year. All the drops this season are probably Alex’s fault too, right? And the stuffed run plays. And muffed punts. Oh, if only Ginn had been healthy…

Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.

by NoDakNiner on Feb 14, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

...

attempts stat tells me that they do not want to throw the ball; why is that?

they did throw the ball in the red zone

Every time we got down in games and Alex had to produce, he did

what was last years record?

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 14, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Patrick Willis

career low in tackles, near low in sacks, no defensive touchdowns. He must have regressed…

by mcwagner on Feb 14, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

McWagner, Mindless

Haha, I like how you guys present an argument. Simple. To the point.

by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 14, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

well HH is reasonable

there is no need to badger him. Its just a quick point to say, “this is why I disagree”. Disagreeing is not disrespect. He does the same lower by saying that Kilgore may take care of the RG position. When we comment this way there is more agreement and brainstorming.

by mcwagner on Feb 14, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

To be fair I do think he regressed albiet slightly

The front seven is brimming with talent like never before so it is hardly noticeable.

by asmithisaverage on Feb 14, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

asmithisaverage, I hope you're joking about Willis regressing

Is your sarcasm font not working?

Because if you’re serious you’re ignoring what he was asked to do this year (i.e. more coverage on TE’s) and that the emergence of Bowman freed him to do that.

Yeah, the injuries didn’t help, but when do they ever help the performance of the injured?

"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin

by kailuakid9er on Feb 14, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Willis improved in every single aspect of his game

He didn’t have to chase down as many tackles, they didn’t have to resort to him blitzing, the entire defense lowered defensive touchdowns despite the high number turnovers, going into coverage, teams avoid him. Reasons his stats are down.

by mcwagner on Feb 14, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

patrick was in coverage much more this year than any year before

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 14, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

was gonna say this above, then saw your comment

couldn’t agree more

Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.

by NoDakNiner on Feb 14, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

exactly

there is more to the story than stats alone

by mcwagner on Feb 14, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

qb stats are very telling.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 14, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

PASSING YARDZ!

The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.

by slapsy on Feb 14, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I do not even look at qbr and do not even know what it is.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 15, 2012 1:28 AM PST up reply actions  

no, only the stats that make alex look bad

all others don’t matter

I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.

by Andrew9erfan on Feb 14, 2012 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Thing of it is, I want to see him succeed, but there is no reason to have faith in that success.

I don’t see a reason to have any, so I don’t. I don’t pay any attention to his stats, Poise, Accuracy, Pocket Presence and a mean streak is all I want to see from the position, and the rest will take care of itself. How’s Alex in those departments? In my opinion……Fail,Fail,Fail, Fail….That is all!!

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 14, 2012 10:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

lol

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 15, 2012 1:27 AM PST up reply actions  

not much improvement in those in the last seven years either.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 15, 2012 1:27 AM PST up reply actions  

you saying that doesn't make it true

I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.

by Andrew9erfan on Feb 16, 2012 7:19 AM PST up reply actions  

i can see the accuracy thing

Although I believe it’s more of a timing issue than accuracy a lot of the time. But I think he looked a lot more poised this year

I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.

by Andrew9erfan on Feb 15, 2012 5:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Especially for being one of the most sacked QB's in the league

Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.

by NoDakNiner on Feb 15, 2012 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

and you cite no stats but reply with comments based on no facts.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 15, 2012 1:28 AM PST up reply actions  

much more than that

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 15, 2012 1:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say he regressed, but he hasn't really improved since he got in a yelling match with Singletary

The overall numbers are just so low it is easy to assume they must be career lows instead of career highs.

by asmithisaverage on Feb 14, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

numbers are numbers

2 is still higher than 1

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 14, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

You know what happens when you assume?

You drop the u-m-e and become what’s left of the word. But you can’t possibly be that since you’re a Niners fan.

I’d argue that he has improved another area of his game…coverage. That’s what the great ones do. They are never satisfied and keep working on areas of their game to improve upon.

"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin

by kailuakid9er on Feb 14, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry average

too much multi-taksing on my part.

It you change “Willis” and “coverage” in my comment about to “Alex Smith” and say “turnovers” it’s equally valid. Though I wouldn’t call Alex a great one.

No need for you to get bent about it.

"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin

by kailuakid9er on Feb 14, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

hurt ego? lol

who has been proven wrong?

you get proven wrong all the time and resort to hyperbole to try to prove yourself right when wrong.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 15, 2012 1:31 AM PST up reply actions  

because I've posted them many times before

The thing is, your stats about alex don’t even come close to proving what you think they do. They show correlation, not causality. What I have attempted to do is provide factual context to those stats such as crabtrees drop rate and that the type of offense that they run is fairly conservative. The offense was also a work in progress as a result of the lockout. There’s also Alex’s 4th quarter comebacks this year. Most of the time, when they needed him to get the job done at the end of the game, he did. Do not confuse this with me claiming that he is elite or great as you like to infer with your ridiculous hyperboles. I think he’s an above average QB who improved a lot and had a pretty decent season.

I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.

by Andrew9erfan on Feb 15, 2012 5:25 AM PST up reply actions  

you forgot

to blame the offensive line, running game, play calling and position of the sun. Anything but Alex.

by asmithisaverage on Feb 15, 2012 5:51 AM PST up reply actions  

thanks for helping prove my point

Why take the time to look at what’s actually going on when you can just blame alex for everything. I also never said that alex doesn’t deserve any blame. Despite you trying to pput words in my mouth, I have no problem saying that alex is far from perfect and makes his share of mistakes that contribute to problems with the offense. But you can’t seem to accept that he’s not the only one and that he’s done a lot of good things too.

I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.

by Andrew9erfan on Feb 15, 2012 5:59 AM PST up reply actions  

All of it runs through Alex Smith

But you want to downplay that fact because we aren’t able to regression tests. No crap. It is just not believable given the complete set of evidence. It is my belief Alex has peaked and it has nothing to do with all the external factors you desire to focus on.

1. Locks onto primary receiver/does not efficiently go through progressions (source: Cosell)
2. Can’t make all the passes, especially those to the outside and those short. Hasn’t had a successful screen pass in a very long time (also a function of constantly checking down)
3. Inaccurate and rarely leads receivers who have beat coverage or are open (though often never sees the open receiver based on not going through progressions).
4. Does not understand defensive schemes and makes poor audibles (ex. goal line hand off to Gore vs Saints)
5. Unwilling to trust receivers not named Vernon Davis. Function of inaccuracy.
6. Lack of awareness leading to sacks/does not naturally move away from pressure
7. Has not statistically improved since yelling match with Singletary (Harbaugh coaching not as effective as fans want to believe)
8. He plays smaller than his frame. Just a ton of batted balls.

by asmithisaverage on Feb 15, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

he should trust receivers who have not earned any trust?

By not making the play when. he gives them a chance

I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.

by Andrew9erfan on Feb 16, 2012 7:11 AM PST up reply actions  

You got to throw the ball to earn trust

It also means you have to do progressions to find a 2nd and 3rd option. All he does is see VD mismatched in coverage and throw it up for him to get. That’s great but not how a WR vs a CB works at all. WRs can be open even when they appear not to be. It is called ball placement and timing. Something Alex never developed with the last 26 WRs he’s had.

by asmithisaverage on Feb 16, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

he didn't seem to have that issue with Morgan

and I did see times when Alex threw to the soft spot on the zone but the receiver didn’t recognize it and kept going. I’m not going to say that none of it’s on Alex, but a decent amount is on the receivers too.

I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.

by Andrew9erfan on Feb 16, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Ive been a huge Morgan fan since he was drafted

but the guy will disappear for full games at a time. Is that AS not throwing because he’s afraid of making a mistake? To me the answer is yes.

by asmithisaverage on Feb 17, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

you do have a hurt ego; lol

where are my hyperbole’s?

I think he’s an above average QB who improved a lot and had a pretty decent season.

I think I saw one right there.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 15, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

disagreeing with it doesn't make it a hyperbole

But how about your comments about people saying alex is god. I have nothing against you personally and was trying to get past the bs and actually have a real conversation.

I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.

by Andrew9erfan on Feb 16, 2012 7:08 AM PST up reply actions  

do you agree that justin smith is a great player?

Because his stats don’t show that. Sometimes you have to look beyond the stats.

I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.

by Andrew9erfan on Feb 15, 2012 5:51 AM PST up reply actions  

that has nothing to do with alex smith.

fyi: Justin Smith’s stats do show he is a beast!

So does he play on the field when he is chasing running backs down the field!

again, this has nothing to do with Alex Smith.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 15, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

it's called an analogy

I’m sorry you don’t get what that is. He hardly racks up a ton of stats but makesAldon Smith better. It was just a point to illistate how a player can have value beyond their stats.

I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.

by Andrew9erfan on Feb 16, 2012 7:15 AM PST up reply actions  

There are more stats than just sacks for a DE

just like there are more stats than passing rating for a QB.

by asmithisaverage on Feb 16, 2012 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

agreed

but stats without context don’t mean that much. And when people cherry pick stats too, they mean even less.

I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.

by Andrew9erfan on Feb 16, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

just trying to get you to look beyond your cherry picked stats

BEFORE you mentioned that JTO had the best 3rd down % in recent history. He also threw around 17 picks in 8 games.

I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.

by Andrew9erfan on Feb 16, 2012 7:35 AM PST up reply actions  

the only thing that wowed me was the saints game

So you were wowed then?

"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that."
--Jerry Rice

by Pat Willie on Feb 14, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

last 3:46 mintues; who was not?

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 15, 2012 1:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed 1 FB is all we need, plus Byham should be back. I fully expect another TE drafted and Delanie is a FA next year.

I think there is zero chance we bring in Nicks or any FA OL, we have a lot of money tied up there. Fully expect Synder back and he battles Kilgore for the spot. I’m thinking they might draft a mid round C/G combo, unless they are happy with Beeler.

There seems to be a notion that Bowe will be franchised and as much as I’d love a stud FA WR, it just doesnt seem like the 9er way. I’m thinking we talk to Meachem, Garcon, maybe old man Reggie Wayne.

Alex coming back…yay, don’t wanna get into his limitations…but let’s just say I’m not optimistic he “will keep improving” like many fans think. I think we saw his ceiling.

by Coretete on Feb 14, 2012 10:26 AM PST reply actions  

Byham

I wouldn’t rely on him being back, Phillip Adams look promising but wasn’t able to come through. Knee injuries for fringe players is usually enough to push them out. Hope he’s back, but he may need to be replaced in the draft.

by reedkrase on Feb 14, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Snyder once worst

than Chilo. But he’s grown. So the line could get better but the chemistry should get better.
Need a C/G in the draft.
Scheming should improve tho new receivers slows this, but it’s a need.

by oldfoggy on Feb 14, 2012 10:40 AM PST reply actions  

Snyder

He made us better by getting Chilo out. Chilo may be the most talented on the line not named Iupati, but his absentmindedness is too much. Snyder highlighted how bad Rachal is.

by mcwagner on Feb 14, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

RG

How do we solve this? Draft a rookie because our line is finally starting to get experienced? Keep banging our head into the wall with an overachieving backup or an underachieving backup? Sign the big name free agent and spend more? I’m thinking a mid-tier player that could use a change of scenery. Must have blitz awareness. Anthony Davis is the wild card. Will he figure things out or still rely on a crutch.

by mcwagner on Feb 14, 2012 10:40 AM PST reply actions  

may already be resolved from last years draft

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 14, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Snyder

I like Snyder. But a mid-tier looking for a change of scenery could go a long way (whitner, rogers). Snyder seems to be real tight with Staley though. I’d like to have that camaraderie and consistency year to year

by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 14, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

There is a small group who thinks we should be drafting tackles and moving them to guard...

Gee, what position did Kilgore play in college? I don’t see why no one thinks we can’t build a line using later round picks when other teams do it successfully. I for one am confident enough in the scouts and Baalke to find that type of talent.

by 9thevolution on Feb 14, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't have any problem giving Kilgore a chance

My argument is that Konz is too good a center of the future to pass up and that he’ll still immediately be better than Kilgore at guard

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 14, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Top 18 picks and he’s gone!

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 14, 2012 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I think pick 23 but we shall see.

Gotta prepare for all contingencies

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 14, 2012 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

49ers WR's needs..

Would love for FO to resign Morgan, get a big name in Bowe or VJax, then draft a kid like Brian Quick out of Appalachian State in the mid rounds. Feel this would be more than sufficent to the passing woes at that position.

Feel that 1st round pick shouldn’t be used on a Jeffery or Sanu, it should be used instead on a CB/S or OLB. That’s only if they can’t trade out of #30 slot.

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 14, 2012 11:13 AM PST reply actions  

People keep talking about Bowe / VJax

We have 30 million in cap space, 19 of our own free agents to sign or replace including a quarterback, a guy we’ll probably have to franchise at 6.2 mill, a league top 10 corner, and a 3-4 backer who’s shown flashes of pass rushing ability that isn’t a liability in coverage.

I don’t know how the hell we’d afford either of those guys if we didn’t sign a single other FA.

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by Ougadas on Feb 14, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree about Bowe & VJax

Unless they come to Baalke and say, “I’ll play for less $$$ because I want to help you win a SuperBowl.” it’s not likely to happen.

I think it’s more likely Baalke signs a mid-tier FA WR and drafts another WR by the 3rd round.

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by kailuakid9er on Feb 14, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

free agent contracts can have very little affect on current year cap numbers

Big contracts have their guaranteed money spread out across the length of the contract. For instance, Santonio Holmes got a five year, $45 million deal ($24 million guaranteed) from the Jets last year. His first year cap number? $2.45 million.

So the FO can write a contract to get Bowe under the cap. Should they? I’m not sure, but they can if they want to.

by ninerspride on Feb 14, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

But that's only if

you sell out the future for the present. I’m assuming we aren’t that foolish.

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by Ougadas on Feb 14, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

For instance, in Santonio's case

Now all 7.75 million of this years salary is fully guaranteed, and 7.75 million of next years 11 million salary is fully guaranteed no matter what happens.

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by Ougadas on Feb 14, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure

How player conduct enters into “guarantees”. Usually they are for skill or injury or both. Maybe arbitration? Could look it up in the new CBA if ya like.

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by Ougadas on Feb 14, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

any free agent pick up will cost money

Any team that wants Bowe, Stevie, V-Jax, or some other top-tier receiver is going to have to give them $15-20 million guaranteed. I’m just saying that the 49ers can afford it, even if they can’t fit all that guaranteed money under this year’s cap.

by ninerspride on Feb 14, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

But that's the point

If you can’t fit an evenly spaced contract under the cap you can’t afford it.

You can borrow from the future to force it under for the current year, but having it and affording it are two different things. But we have a hard time with that lesson all over the world as state of the global financial system shows.

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by Ougadas on Feb 14, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

haha fair enough

Are you saying Dwayne Bowe is a sub-prime loan?

by ninerspride on Feb 14, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Stevie is probably 15 M guaranteed

The biggest aspect of this is he gets to leave Buffalo and come home to the Bay. Following him on twitter he loves coming home. Anywhere else Stevie goes he’s probably asking for an additional 7-10 M total or 5M guaranteed

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 14, 2012 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I think We're Going to Be Better This Year!

Hopefully we can get Jackson or Bowe, and Nicks would be sweet to fill up our front line. However, Baalke and Harbaugh will get the best talent available while not overpaying.

by wellnesscoach on Feb 14, 2012 11:22 AM PST reply actions  

Having an actual offseason should be a big help...

Letting the players actually be coached for more than two weeks on mechanics and the intricacies of the offense will help with progression.

by 9thevolution on Feb 14, 2012 11:25 AM PST reply actions  

49ers off-season moves / progression / changes

Priority #1 : Fix the right guard position. Rachal can’t pass block and went from a mauler in the 2010 season to a whiffer this year. Snyder can’t get any push off the line of scrimmage and that’s a huge reason why our short yardage running game gets stuffed. Right now depending on who we start we are a liability somewhere.

Priority #2 : Implement the sight reads and get rid of this built in hot route nonsense. Any team who wanted to blitz us last year treated Smith like a pinata. You cannot wait on a route that requires a 3 step drop timing to be hot. That is just so fundamentally flawed I don’t know what to say. It also might help to stop it with the Max Protect all the time. Every man out in a route is another threat to the defense that must be accounted for. Nobody on defense is saying "Oh noooo!!! Vernon and Frank are staying in to block!! How will we counter that? " It’s the idiocy of trying to be too smart on the chalkboard and forgetting there are real players on the field and not X’s and O’s.

Priority #3 : Learn to stick with what works. If you are running the Power or Counter O and the defense isn’t stopping it that’s because they have some weakness in scheme or personel that they are either being slow or unable to compensate for. Keep running it. Don’t get cute and decide to throw in a double toss sweep reverse in a monsoon. When the defense gives you a high percentage crack at 5-6 yards a play you march down the field with it. You don’t forget about it and come back to it next quarter.

Priority #4 : Accept that there is risk in the game of football. If you refuse to throw to anything but open receivers you do eliminate some interceptions. You also leave alot of points on the board because you are not giving your playmakers the chance to make plays. Either Alex can make those tight throws or he can’t and we need to find out. If he can’t he doesn’t belong back there and we need to write him out of the future plans and see what the rookie can do. If that’s a disaster, it’s a disaster. I’d rather it be disaster that lights the path of the future than accept the consistent disappointment of mediocrity.

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by Ougadas on Feb 14, 2012 11:40 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

pretty much this

all of it

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by NoDakNiner on Feb 14, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with most of this

except your second point, that built-in hot routes don’t work. In a era of increasingly complex defenses, where intricate zone blitzes are prevalent, offenses need to be able to function with less information. Here’s a great writeup on the topic from Chris Brown of Smart Football:

With the rise of the zone blitz, the fact that three defenders might rush from one side tells the offense almost nothing about where the coverage will be. This is why, when zone blitzes first became prominent, you saw quarterbacks throwing awful passes directly to defenders who weren’t even close to receivers. This is not to say that sight adjustments are impossible in today’s environment, but they require an almost telepathic relationship between quarterback, receiver, and even the offensive line.

There are only a few teams in this league that successfully run a playbook dependent on sight adjustment — Green Bay, Pittsburgh, and New England are, I think, the only three — and all of them have elite receiving corps that have been together for a while. Unless the 49ers plan to get three elite receivers in the offseason and then put them in a time machine, I don’t expect Harbaugh will switch to a sight adjustment scheme anytime soon.

by ninerspride on Feb 14, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

maybe Harb's doesn't need to...

just throw it a little more when we’re in the red zone…like around the 10 or so…

by Doni S on Feb 14, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

totally agree

The scheme is not the problem, its the playcalling. Harbs and Roman need to get more aggressive in the red zone, and less reliant on tricks in general.

by ninerspride on Feb 14, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

We need to take shots at the end zone from the 15-25 more often

Those honestly seemed to be our most effective plays at punching it in. The defense is still spread out at that those distances. Allows our TEs more room in the middle of the field

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 14, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

That's backwards in my opinion

You can look at it that way I guess, but it’s in the spirit of reacting to an attacking defense, not in the spirit of attacking a weakness in the defense. And there is always a weakness. If I see a team that loves to zone blitz I know I’m seeing three underneath zones and the more exotic they get the worse the underneath coverage gets.

So you have a set of very simple rules. Outside receivers don’t matter. Inside receivers — slots and tight ends find the seam on each side of the hole (2-5 yards deep) and look for the ball on the opposite side of defender leverage. The back reads inside pickup or release to sight side if single. Quarterback scans left hash to right hash at hole depth and then to right flat. Everyone knows what to do and you attack the zone blitz instead of hoping that your one route that is “hot” isn’t running right through a hook zone on it’s way to a curl zone and your QB is standing back there with nowhere to go but down.

What this buys you is the ability to design your route combinations to attack the weaknesses in the defense fully — which you cannot do if you must always reserve one route for your blitz hotline.

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by Ougadas on Feb 14, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

the 49ers offense can still attack a defense's weakness

Roman and Harbaugh are experts at using rubs, spacing, and route depths to manufacture open receivers (even with a lack of talent at the position). Walsh pioneered the use of use shallow routes to clear out intermediate zones, intermediate routes to clear out deep zones, etc. Harbaugh does the same thing. So its not a waste to reserve one route for blitz pickup. that route can also be a tool for freeing up another receiver going deep.

IMHO, the Saints are the perfect example of how to run a dynamic offense without sight adjustments. They often send receivers to different depths, challenging the defense on all levels, and give Drew Brees a chance to find its weakness. They also are experts at using Jimmy Graham and Darren Sproles as dump-off targets — and we all know how dangerous they can be.

by ninerspride on Feb 14, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Liking this discussion

You can do what the Saints do as long as you are willing to send 5 men into the pattern no matter what comes at you, a quarterback that can make tight throws in the face of pressure, and a line that can frequently give you 3 to 4 seconds even against the blitz.

It’s one of those situations where you’d have to work pretty hard to screw up that kind of talent. I think we have to be a little smarter considering what we have to work with.

But it’s still pretty hard to make a built in hot route that can free a receiver to go deep. You are looking at trying to pull down a corner or a safety which isn’t going to happen unless your route is way too deep to be “hot” when you need it. You’re just too far away from the deep half of the field to be an effective decoy or too far away from the LOS to be an effective hot.

Maybe you can use a short out for a hot and try to hit a Cover2 corner with a smash concept but I really don’t want a QB throwing across the field on a hot against Cover 2— half the time that ball turns around and runs the other way with different colored legs

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by Ougadas on Feb 14, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

two examples of how short routes free up deeper routes

the 49ers ofter drag a flanker through the short zones, making the linebackers react to the crosser and let another receiver get open deep down the middle of the field. That exact play got Crabtree a touchdown in the regular season, and got a a few for VD.

And the Giants run a great play where they send their slot receiver across the middle, while sending their tight end (lined up on the same side of the field) on a intermediate slant route. Off a blitz, the receiver has been manufactured open (any interior zone defender followed the tight end deep) and if you want to go deep, you can fake the short pass and isolate your tight end against a safety.

Honestly, I think both tactics can work, depending on your personnel. But as the Saints prove, you can run an elite offense without sight adjustments. They are not necessary, and are arguably detrimental when your receivers and quarterback do not have a lot of chemistry.

by ninerspride on Feb 14, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

This play you're talking about up top

That was the crossing route with Ginn where everybody sucked down on him correct?

Also – this was a great little sub-thread. I’m reccing each comment above this.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 14, 2012 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah exactly

I’m sure there a ton of other examples, too.

by ninerspride on Feb 14, 2012 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Are we still talking about a zone blitz?

Because this is the exact kind of play the zone blitz is built to take away. You have usually either 2 CB and a FS deep or 1 CB and both safeties. If the guys responsible for the deep zones are biting down that is not a scheme failure that is poor discipline. Also when you mentioned underneath defenders following a tight end deep — that’s either man coverage or breakdown in discipline.

Now I’m not saying it’s not a smart idea to attack breakdowns in discipline — that’s one of the best things to attack. But from a pure scheme standpoint you can’t count on coming back to it week after week.

I’d really love to know if the new HTML 5 could handle interactive X’s and O’s sessions where we could draw some of this out.

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by Ougadas on Feb 14, 2012 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

i was talking in general

about how Harbaugh’s layered offensive schemes can be successful — that players running shallow, hot routes can also be used to help intermediate and deep receivers get open. You’re right, though, that the zone blitz is built to take away plays where the route says “run to the open zone in case of blitz.” That’s why its so important to use overall scheme, not adjustments, to get your players open.

Also, IMHO, attacking the discipline of inside linebackers is always great move (not every team can have willis and bowman patrolling in the middle of the field). Using scheme to manufacture open receivers is often predicated on confusing linebackers, or at least overloading a particular zone (like in the Giants example above) and hoping for the best.

I imagine we’ll continue this on another thread. great discussion in my mind.

by ninerspride on Feb 14, 2012 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I would say attacking breakdowns in discipline is pretty solid.

There was only 1 damn thing the Broncos could do. Run 55 times and throw over the top 10 more. It still worked ridiculously often. 85% of the NFL is filled with undisiciplined players.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 15, 2012 2:17 AM PST up reply actions  

If this happens do this, if that happens do that.

You can install complicated situational offensive manuevers, but they have the possibility of blowing up in your face if executed poorly. That’s why you need time to get them into every players head.

This is also why football is tending towards smarter, team oriented players rather than one dimensional individual athletic achievers. It’s always nice to have a physically dominant reciever that is difficult to cover, but if he’s dumb as a rock he will soon be obsolete.

I like Jerry Rice as a reciever. He always seemed to be outsmarting the defense.

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--Jerry Rice

by Pat Willie on Feb 14, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

well

if we can do this with Morgan in the redzone (i think we can), then perhaps we can save some of our cap space for 2012 and add it to 2013

by Doni S on Feb 14, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't get it

Has everyone forgotten what was wrong with us for so long? We have good coaching and finally stability. Why are we hunting for big name free agents? Find talented players that just have not clicked yet. Coach them up and plug them into the system. Build with patience and we will dominate for years instead of selling out for a chance to get one ring like the Eagles tried.
Let Harbaugh work. Look what we did with Carlos Rogers and Donte Whitner and how we got away with the mistake with Braylon Edwards. Stability may be boring in the offseason, but it pays off during the season.

by mcwagner on Feb 14, 2012 12:39 PM PST reply actions  

The Eqgles didnt sell out. Samuel will be gonw, Kolb wasnt that good, now thwy have their cbs locked for the future.

Along with pass rushers. They are set to make a successful win for a few years.

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 14, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

damn phone

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 14, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

eagles lol

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 14, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I would pick up a free agent wide reciever in a heartbeat

Either of New Orleans recievers would be a coup. I would make an offer to Dwayne Bowe, Mario Manningham, and Early Doucet as well.

It would be irresponsible not to at least try to get one of these guys to fill out our recieving squad. One guy goes down, and we lose a second chance at the Super Bowl. No thank you.

Free Agent Reciever = Playoff insurance.

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--Jerry Rice

by Pat Willie on Feb 14, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

we may try Doucet

High effort guy, knows the division, under the radar and can be taken for a reasonable price. Bowe and Manningham may have inflated price tags.

by mcwagner on Feb 14, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Manningham

is not worth the SB mark-up

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by slapsy on Feb 14, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

This

Throwing money at expensive FA may do far more harm than good.

The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.

by slapsy on Feb 14, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

except I wouldn’t call the Edwards signing a mistake, he was cheap and injured most of the season, don’t think injury is anyone’s fault, as long as the player isn’t over paid.

by reedkrase on Feb 14, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

The 49ers are supposedly going to have between 30-39M in cap space.

Unless bringing in a big FA at another position, there’s no reason not to add someone like Vincent Jackson.

by TheFreakSFG on Feb 14, 2012 2:06 PM PST reply actions  

I would rather Dwayne Bowe or Mario Manningham

If we had a chance at Marques Colston I would throw all kinds of cash at him.

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by Pat Willie on Feb 14, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

The reason is

19 players to re-sign or replace.

Including a starting QB, a top 10 corner, an OLB, and a safety we’ll likely have to franchise that will eat up 1/5th of that space.

We are a team that has a ton of cap space because 40% of our 53 man roster hit FA.

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by Ougadas on Feb 14, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you think there is room to get Stevie Johnson with some creative contracting?

I’m thinking we can have him somewhere between 4-23 lower guaranteed and 5-28 higher guaranteed

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 14, 2012 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm concerned that it's going to hurt either way

I’m not a salary cap expert. Maybe there is some financial wizardry that can be done.

But operating off the simple principle of you have to pay for what you get and if you don’t pay for it now you have to pay for it later and we have more seasons like this in the future I’m not sure we can afford it. We can make it fit but it’s going to cause losses somewhere down the line.

Next season isn’t too bad. The one after that we have to keep Justin Smith, Donte Whitner, and Navarro Bowman here,

Season after that one we have Kap (if he starts by then), Hunter, Crabtree, Iupati, Kilgore (if starting by then), Davis, Culliver, and Aldon Smith all hitting FA at the same time.

So we have to be thinking a bit about the future when signing these contracts. Pushing too much into the back end is going to hurt us when the next perfect storm hits us in 2014.

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by Ougadas on Feb 14, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

just playing Devil's advocate...

but if Chilo has so much talent, can he not still be coached up as well? I know everybody loves to have “one” cause to point the finger at, but can we just say “maybe” an offseason with the coaching staff would do him wonders?

but in the end, I am in full support of what coach Harb’s and co. decide to do

by 29spYder on Feb 14, 2012 2:44 PM PST reply actions  

only coach harbaugh and mike solari know the answer to that question

by reedkrase on Feb 14, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

possibly

the problem is that he is so far behind it would be a serious rebuilding of one player that has really had every opportunity and squandered it. May be time to part ways. If he is willing to be a backup and take only backup money and learn the game then yes.

by mcwagner on Feb 14, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Already wasted too much time on him

49ers will let him go and move on, he was part of the old regime’s draft, they’ve got nothing invested in him. same deal with shawntae spencer

by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 14, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh but this is such a dangerous game to play

When we can apply it to so many of our players.

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by Ougadas on Feb 14, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you really beleive Chilo is going to develop? I believe Alex can develop because we've seen it many times

It happens with QBs. It happens all the time with DLinemen. It even happens with OT’s depending on what their weaknesses are. But guards who make mental mistakes in pass protection? The risk/reward is extremely high to your QB and the chances of him coming around are extremely low

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 14, 2012 6:40 PM PST up reply actions  

If the lockout effected one player it effected them all. Since when are position coaches free from scrutiny?

He’s better than Snyder in the run game and some emphasis on those mental errors you never know, he also hit the league at a young age, what’s another year? Nothing as long as he isn’t your only option and its easy to get out of his contract.

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 14, 2012 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

true, but reading so much on how we should bring in mediocre FA wr who needs a change of scenery

and Chilo seems to be the the first name to get rid of, so….he was the name used. and as the previous poster put “old regime”, that’s a lot of corrective coaching

by 29spYder on Feb 14, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

They are Ace and Gary

The Ambiguously Lame Duo

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 14, 2012 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually that doesn't work... Because their level of suck is far from ambiguous

Somebody needs to find a better superhero of ***ttyness name for those 2

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 14, 2012 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

kind of

I mean, Smith was technically gone and Harbaugh chose to bring him back. In a way Alex Smith is one of the first pieces of the new regime as Harbs doesn’t care about the time and money invested in him before. What his plan actually is (stop-gap vs. actual future) has yet to be determined.

by mcwagner on Feb 14, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

There werent any other options, so this is a lot of gloss over the bad paint finish.

He is not one of the first pieces that would be draft picks. Why try so hard to make it seem otherwise?

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 14, 2012 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

there were options

other teams hired new quarterbacks as I recall. Why try so hard to discount a player that was chosen by Harbaugh himself. Unless Jim Harbaugh is a liar, he said that he wanted Smith. As I stated, he is one of the first pieces, not the first. In fact, he led the team workouts in place of Harbaugh without a contract at all. So in fact, Alex Smith was the closest thing we had of a coach at the beginning of this regime that got within two bonehead mistakes to playing in the Super Bowl.

by mcwagner on Feb 14, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

also

why are you once again bringing up Alex in a post about Chilo Rachal? Why try so hard to put him down at every opportunity? Alex Smith, Alex Smith, and hot sweaty glistening Alex Smith. If I gave you a Rorschach test you would probably see two Alex Smiths shaking their fists at you.
Smith only came back because Harbaugh asked him to. Smith’s entire inner circle called him crazy to come back. Guy has some stones and played every snap. In year one of this offense. I don’t think I’m wrong in saying Smith’s situation is different than a guy that was benched midway through the season and is still on his rookie contract

by mcwagner on Feb 14, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Has some stones?

I doubt he could start anywhere else. When comments are made about a certain players time is up, one would think, Hmmmm, Alex has had an eternity at a higher price, how is this guy so easily poached, especially by an Alex apologist? That isn’t making the post about Smith. However since you responded to a comment not replied to you, the convo is building, and now, allow me to retort. The Niners taking Smith was easiest and cheapest. They didn’t want a overhyped Kolb,Hasslebeck said no, and what other options were available without parting with much needed draft picks? None. No coach is going to come out and say he was all we could go after? None. Would he stand there and say, I need a stop gap until I develop another QB? No, Harbaugh hides plenty from the media, and his opinion of Smith is just more coach speak.

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 14, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't see how. Belichek is gonna make him beat the zone and only send four because blitzes aren't neccessary to beat him.

Rattle him with a couple of zone blitzes, and it’s a wrap. He needs to see his WR’s or TE’s wide open to throw to them or he just eats the ball. And without a soft mushy treatment from his coach, he isn’t going to snap out of the bad coach and oc funk that he is justly in. Rex Ryan wouldn’t want Smith, not many organizations would waste their time. Maybe the Dolphins, but he’s be away from the West coast, so he’d be more puppy like.

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 14, 2012 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

NE's 4 isn't getting through the NYJs 5

They might be able to get pressure through the Giants crap line but not through a good line.

Remember NE didn’t play a single quality offensive line in the Playoffs.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 15, 2012 2:22 AM PST up reply actions  

When Alex has time he can make the elite throws

Most of the time he doesn’t have time.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 15, 2012 2:23 AM PST up reply actions  

The Jets are one of the top lines in the league

Best center in the league and a talented LT.

The Giants certainly are not. Which makes Eli’s performances so much more special than anything Brady, Brees or Rodgers is doing.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 14, 2012 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

How was the Jets running game? For most of the year it was non-existant.

After the loss of Feneca and I believe Woody, I know there was two, that line isn’t half of what it was in 2010.

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 14, 2012 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Harbaugh and Baalke

drafted two guards in their first time around together. if they dont feel chilo is up to speed or can get up to speed quick enough, i dont think it would be hard for them to cut ties, thats all. has chilo done anything on the field to earn a new contract, because that baltimore game certainly didn’t help his case

by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 14, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

The Baltimore game didn’t help anyone on the offense, in a case for more dough or time.

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 14, 2012 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think Chilo is all that bright

He always has a confused look on his face.


"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that."
--Jerry Rice

by Pat Willie on Feb 14, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

awesome pics; rec!

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 15, 2012 1:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Free Agent and trade up

Spend the money to sign Vincent Jackson or Colston that can get open and catch the ball on third downs rather than a gamble on a late round number one draft choice! Then, trade-up to use the # one pick to get OG DeCastro or Johathan Martin from Stanford or Cody Glenn Georgia or outside book end for D. Smith with rusher Vontaze Burfict from Arizona! That’s all folks!

by ajp49er on Feb 16, 2012 1:56 PM PST reply actions  

Vince Jackson is our man!

Hey fans, Vince is done with AJ Smith in San Diego!
If he is smart ( and he is), he headed north to be a 49er! He will not be penny piched and will get a fair market deal! In return, he becomes the lead wideout as part of a winning west coast pass offense, becomes part of a play-off team with a real chance for ring next year! Vince, you will find Love in San Francisco! So tell your agent to get the deal done!

by ajp49er on Feb 16, 2012 7:36 PM PST reply actions  

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