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2012 NFL Draft: Non-First Round Wide Receivers, 49ers Should Draft A Duo

San Francisco seems to be the place for strong duos. Vernon and Delanie are no slouches either. Or those two guys who play inside linebacker.

I like the idea of the 49ers drafting a pair of guys at the same position in the same draft. I liked when San Francisco brought in two offensive linemen in the same draft in guard Mike Iupati and tackle Anthony Davis; courtesy of Trent Baalke. I don't think the Niners will sign a big name wide out like a lot of us hope, but I believe they will do what's best for the franchise long-term. In that case, I believe bringing in a pair of big physical young receivers between the 2nd and 4th round could be a game changer.

With only 2 wide receivers on the roster for next year, this is a very pursuable direction for the front office. After the jump are 7 wide receivers that will be available this coming draft that fit what the 49ers would be looking for. You'll notice the height as a consistent factor amongst them all, with the exception of Ryan Broyles who is included because of his punt return ability and likeliness to be overlooked.

So if you're one of the people that isn't sure San Francisco will be able to get a worthy receiver at the end of the first round or pay for one in free agency, and wonder what other options are out there, I advise you to continue reading.

The point a lot of Faithful will raise is they like Michael Crabtree, Kyle Williams and Joshua Morgan and won't know how to feel about this concept. I would just like to remind you of Jim Harbaugh's feelings about maintaining a high level of competition at each position. In the NFL, it's survival of the fittest, so if you can't hang when your being pushed, then you're not the right guy.

Follow me after the jump for the breakdown.

Star-divide

(Stats according to WalterFootball.com)

1. Marvin McNutt, Iowa

Height: 6-3 Weight: 216
Projected 40 Time: 4.58
Arms: 31 5/8 Hands: 10 1/8
Projected Round (2012): 2-3

2. Tommy Streeter, Miami

Height: 6-5 Weight: 215
Projected 40 Time: 4.53
Projected Round (2012): 2-3

3. Stephen Hill, Georgia Tech

Height: 6-4 Weight: 206
Projected 40 Time: 4.52
Projected Round (2012): 2-3

4. Juron Criner, Arizona

Height: 6-2 Weight: 220
Projected 40 Time: 4.62
Arm: 31 3/8 Hand: 10 1/2
Projected Round (2012): 3-4

5. Brian Quick, Appalachian State

Height: 6-4 Weight: 222
Projected 40 Time: 4.52
Arm: 33 1/2 Hand: 9 7/8
Projected Round (2012): 3-5

6. Ryan Broyles, Oklahoma

Height: 5-11 Weight: 185
Projected 40 Time: 4.46
Projected Round (2012): 3-4

7. Derek Moye, Penn State

Height: 6-5 Weight: 198
Projected 40 Time: 4.53
Projected Round (2012): 5-7

With that said I've done a good amount of research on these guys, have watched a lot of them play and narrowed down some personal favorites and preferable pairings. It's really about the top 5 guys listed for me (McNutt-Quick). The two guys I would most want would be the tandem of Marvin McNutt and Stephen Hill. They are big physical guys, with great hands, playmaking ability and a very high ceiling. Brian Quick at 6'4 could also combine with either McNutt or Hill.

San Francisco needs a guy that is open even when he's covered, you follow? The jump ball guys. The stretch the field guys. The over the middle guys. Basically, the Niners need dominant receiver help.

Tommy Streeter and Juron Criner are also guys with a lot of potential, but I'd be less confident depending on either one of them to be a difference maker in year one. And I am a Criner fan, but I think McNutt, Hill and Quick could have an A.J. Green-like impact on their teams because of their size, strength and overall physical ability. Not to mention, if the 49ers are looking for that next Calvin Johnson or Mike Wallace, these guys look pretty close to it (potential-wise) and they could be had outside the first round.

This would also allow the 49ers to take the best player available at #30. They could add a rush linebacker, perhaps Stanford's Coby Fleener, a cornerback or the best offensive lineman still on the board. The defense is pretty stout, and if we don't spend elsewhere in free agency and retain it, this draft could be primarily dedicated to offense. Adding Fleener, McNutt and/or Hill or some similar combination could have a staggering impact.

I really like the idea of receivers learning the ropes together, and I think Bill Belichick does as well, as he showed us when he drafted Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski. I believe Harbaugh embodies a similar mindset when it comes to running his franchise and building through the draft.

What are your thoughts out there in Niner Nation?

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Would love to see first round and fourth round go to big guys who can bring down the jump ball, williams and ginn are good enough to stretch the field and morgan and crabtree and good enough on slants and standard routes.

by reedkrase on Feb 15, 2012 2:13 PM PST reply actions  

Using Ginn on offense should call for the same rule in a double negative sentence.

Finn has to be a 5th WR. With Morgan, Crabtree, and Williams, I’d let Ginn walk.

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2012 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

how much faith do you have in our offense to score with no ST?

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

manraj my man, I want Boykins as a returner, not to mention another cb and wr with kr/pr ability.

I’m talkin trade back city on draft day, Boykins and a couple other players, my Baalke wish list is coming after the combine.

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Uhmmm...can't afford to spend 2 draft picks on WR position

the 9ers have way to many other needs to address as well.

Gotta sign Morgan & Ginn…then a F/A, then use 1 pick on WR.

We only have 7 total draft picks, you can’y burn more than 1 of them on a WR.

by BigMar on Feb 15, 2012 2:24 PM PST reply actions  

it’s a position of need, I don’t see why they couldn’t. but it really depends on how FA plays out..I don’t know about ginn being re-signed. return guys could be found in the draft, and as an offensive player, he’s replaceable.

by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 15, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

YEP

Need of another starter and depth.

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2012 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course. You keep expecting all the backups to make the All Pro team.

by bignerd on Feb 15, 2012 10:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yes

i would like stephen hill and criner. Those two will be great. Criner had great production and is a jump ball specialist. Stephen hill should be available in the 3rd and is 6-5. He averaged 28 ypc (I think)

by ninerafficionado on Feb 15, 2012 2:27 PM PST reply actions  

Would’t mind using picks 2 and 3 on those two guys

by reedkrase on Feb 15, 2012 7:49 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

You just said no to two picks on wr!

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2012 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

That wasn't him.

"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."

by Blank x2 on Feb 15, 2012 9:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Epic fail on my part.

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

On Hill and Criner. I think Criner is a first round caliber WR. The dude was the only real weapon for AZ and he still made plays. Kinda like VD in the post-season. The one guy defenses know they gotta stop, and he still ends up beating them. Too bad for AZ, they had zero talent around the guy. Hill is more raw, but has very good speed for his size and an insane vertical.

by Mykamyke on Feb 15, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

I think we have good players on D and good depth, except the DB’s. We need to focus on offense. That means WR and RG. I do think most of our FA’s know how close this team is to being SB Champs and will take less money to stay. So I have no problem with drafting two WR’s. I think we’re in a good position to trade back and get an extra pick that could be the 2nd WR. Use the 2nd pick to get a good Guard, not named Chilo, and then use two picks 3rd-5th to get good character, high potential guys. I think we have the coaches to get the most out of athletic WR’s.

by agchee on Feb 15, 2012 2:42 PM PST reply actions  

Streeter or Moye

I don’t want to see two WRs drafted. But if we do draft one (or more) and one of them is 6’5" and runs a 4.5. I won’t complain.

by runningblack on Feb 15, 2012 2:43 PM PST reply actions  

Nick Toon if you please

That’s my sleeper pick

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by PHUT! on Feb 15, 2012 2:44 PM PST reply actions  

Fleener and V. Davis

draft one of the listed wide receivers..that could be the solution. fleener and davis would be out of control. he could be used so well in this system and could be that dwight clark receiver/tight end

by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 15, 2012 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I could see 3 or 4 TE sets with VD/Delanie/Fleener/Byham...i like it.

Delanie is a FA next year too…so drafting Fleener isn’t crazy if he is their BPA.

by Coretete on Feb 15, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

4TE sets

Barrows interviewed Byham for his blog, and Byham mentioned that Roman is a mad scientist experimenting with this stuff, and that the 4 TE set may be closer to reality than we think.

by TotallyBodaciousDude on Feb 15, 2012 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the compressed formations hurt Alex more than opposing defenses.

Our depth at TE, means you don’t invest a 1st founder on a TE.

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2012 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly......

And it seems odd that Smith and Daivs played better when Davis was moved around rather than being stuck on the line of scrimmage.

by Iamczar on Feb 15, 2012 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Not unless both Morgan and Ginn leave

I prefer the 49ers re-sign both and add an early draft pick to compete for PT, or sign a legit veteran starter.
Because this team has TE’s who can catch, quality over quantity.

Imagine you could have a do-over with Fred Lewis, without the bad routes and melancholy. I grant you Chris Lofton.

by DesertFox on Feb 15, 2012 3:09 PM PST reply actions  

Alex has got to go if we want to make the big game.

Save the money (notice how no other team wants him. Why would you pay big money for that?) and having to watch another game that the defense or ST wins for us and the credit goes to Alex for throwing 2 good balls to Vern. Seriously he doesnt deserve another year. Kap has shown he has a cannon for an arm and can run out of pockets faster than Alex can think about it. He and the 3rd string are our future and come very cheap. Alex reminds us of how bad the past really was and will be if they keep him.

by Faye McKenna on Feb 15, 2012 3:18 PM PST reply actions  

How do you know no other team wants Alex?

Going by what I saw in the preseason, Kaep has shown that he is not even close to being a starting QB in the NFL.

“The 3rd stringer”

He and the 3rd stringer are our future

by mikeinsp on Feb 15, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Going by what I saw in the preseason

The Rams will win the division and we wouldn’t do better than 8-8.

Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....

Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB

by ak4niner on Feb 15, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2012 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

He's saying we should start Kaep.

And the only evidence we have to see if he is ready to be a starter in this league is the 2011 preseason. And he looked pretty bad there.

by mikeinsp on Feb 15, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

That was a whole season ago.

I’m not saying we should START Kaep, at least not yet. But basing the idea of his worthiness off of a pre-season where he was raw rookie (remember that lockout thing?) and didn’t have a whole season of film study, practices, watching games, playing a few plays, etc. doesn’t do him justice.

Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....

Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB

by ak4niner on Feb 15, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup , and it showed up every bit of missing all that ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Feb 15, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

DUH
pre-season where he was raw rookie (remember that lockout thing?) and didn’t have a whole season of film study, practices, watching games, playing a few plays, etc. doesn’t do him justice.

I don’t know why people are even talking about this, there’s almost no chance at all that Kaep will start for us this year.

by mikeinsp on Feb 15, 2012 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Sad to here you missed last years games .... 14 - 4 ...

… Alex reminds us of how bad the past really was and will be if they keep him…!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Feb 15, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

LoL

Another Madden lover.

"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."

by Blank x2 on Feb 15, 2012 10:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yes Brian Quick....

He’s going to post a faster 40 than that 4.52 you have up there. He is not only a fast wideout for a deep threat but has great body control & catches with his hands well. Plus he will be great threat within the redzone area. Something this team desperately needs. If you have any questions on the kid here is a vid for yourself to look at.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh5X0_c1DZo

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 15, 2012 3:21 PM PST reply actions  

I would like a couple guys named Marvin.

I think McNutt will be available in the 3rd or 4th. I like Jones in the 4th or 5th.

by Thor W on Feb 15, 2012 3:27 PM PST reply actions  

Focus on the O

resign D. SuperBowl in sight.

by oldfoggy on Feb 15, 2012 3:28 PM PST reply actions  

If the 49ers sign Carlos Rogers

then it’ll be great to get Mcnutt and Hill or Quick. I wouldn’t mind replacing either of these WRs with a quicker WR with a good size (6-2).

by Ni9er on Feb 15, 2012 3:28 PM PST reply actions  

Fleener, Criner, Broyles (from an optomist)

Give me 2 of the 3. Fleener or Criner would give us that uber athletic red zone target, i.e. tall guy who makes amazing catches, and broyles would be the guy who in two years once he is fully healthy connects with Kaepernick to destroy the league. Also, I like having Kaepernick as a backup for at least one more year, because while yes, he has a cannon and is really fast, he lacts presence in the pocket( not that alex has a ton either) and he simply could use a little more time learning the nfl offense before he is chucked out onto the field where they is a good chance of him getting battered because he isn’t quite ready to play against nfl offenses. But broyles would be that guy who would constantly put pressure on a defense to keep him covered, which would open up the rest of the field for guys like vernon, who kills teams when he breaks their coverage, and crabs, who is awesome when the scheme can get him that little whiff of separation that he sometimes doesn’t get on his own.
I think Crabs can hopefully pick up that feel for how to get open by being healthy this offseason, just like he started to show in a couple games where it seemed like he was starting to take over later in the season.
Also, if Ginn leaves, get me Chris Rainey from florida, the man is a jitterbug, with some serious wheels, and would be perfect as our KR/Gimmick/Stretch guy.

by CBoyd81 on Feb 15, 2012 3:29 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I think Kriner could be the right fit

If Alex (or Kaepernick) is starting next year the could use a guy that is a jump ball guy. Fleener is definitely a better overall pick but we do already have a ton of money invested in an all pro TE. Criner made a ton of plays on badly thrown passes which unfortunately is all too frequent with Alex and will probably be if Kaepernick plays too.

by throwthedamnball on Feb 15, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

NFL 32: Update

Schef says the 49ers are indeed looking to bring in TWO new pass catchers at the wide receiver position. Rumored: one in free agency, one in the draft (this could change).

by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 15, 2012 3:32 PM PST reply actions  

nice use the word "looking" and "rumored" and you can never be wrong

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

There is a rumor from a source that I have that the Rams are looking to draft some pieces to put around Bradford.

Either through FA or the draft…

I think I may have a future in this…

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

To be fair....

Scheffter did say that, and that dude knows what he’s talking about.

That “rumor” is probably more real than you think.

"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."

by Blank x2 on Feb 15, 2012 10:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

and where did he say harbaugh would end up?

rrumors are just rumors, no matter the source

I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.

by Andrew9erfan on Feb 16, 2012 8:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah saw it on twitter...

Doesn’t make it true. If we get a FA WR, it will be a mid or low tier guy who adds depth and is cheap. Don’t put to much stock into it before we’ve even signed any of our own guys.

by 9thevolution on Feb 16, 2012 7:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Im liking Broyles in the 3rd or 4th

What about Randy Moss. Just having him there will open up the middle for some VD

by elijust on Feb 15, 2012 3:38 PM PST reply actions  

I'd also be willing to get Reuben Randle in the first....

From everything ive seen hes a first round talent that will slip due to other teams needing other positions more.

by elijust on Feb 15, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless Rueban runs a 4.42 or less I don't think he's worth a 1st

The route where almost all of his yards came is a straight go route. This tells you that his route tree is underdeveloped. He’s a big guy but if you can only run a go route and then break a couple tackles you’re not worth a 1st round pick unless you can burn NFL guys on that route.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 16, 2012 12:45 AM PST up reply actions  

(looked into him earlier.)

Had a couple plays that were impressive but seriously like 5 or 6 of his TDs were go routes where he was running free and he got absolutely shutdown against Alabama both games.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 16, 2012 12:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Randy Moss doesn't even deserve the league minimum.

He has to be willing to play every down and do what we need him to do. He has shown throughout his career that he is unwilling to do that.

He’s not even worth the roster spot.

Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....

Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB

by ak4niner on Feb 15, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

If Moss is motivated and on a winning team he gives 110%

no guarantee he will but I’d take that gamble for 3 mil a year

by elijust on Feb 15, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe, but I doubt it.

How will he feel about being a decoy 75% of the time? Running full out when he knows we run more than we pass? Take him out so we can run a 4 TE set on 3rd and 7?

He’ll be motivated…for the first few games. Then back to “I play when I wanna”.

Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....

Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB

by ak4niner on Feb 15, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Possibly but the reward is worth the risk IMO

I dont see a rookie giving us the deep threat we need with what will be available

by elijust on Feb 15, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Personally I don't think the risk is worth the reward.

I agree he is a deep threat, but he needs to give it his all. Talent is definetley there…work ethic, not so much.

Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....

Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB

by ak4niner on Feb 15, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

this

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

we still wont throw it enough so I don't see him coming here.

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I doubt the FO would pull the trigger anyway.

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2012 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

either way he won't be on the way to SF

although I wouldn’t be complaining…

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Adam Schefter is reporting

that the 49ers will pursue a WR in FA and with one of out top picks

Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94

Rule #2) Follow rule #1

by mtl9ers14 on Feb 15, 2012 3:45 PM PST reply actions  

Not surprised to hear that their going for a WR in FA either

but I am surprised that they might be looking at a WR in both the draft and FA

Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94

Rule #2) Follow rule #1

by mtl9ers14 on Feb 15, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

At least one in FA.

Josh Morgan.

Sufficiently advanced sarcasm is indistinguishable from being an @$$hole.

by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 15, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Will probably do what we did with Rogers

Patience. Sit and wait and let the other FA players pay 10M per year for VJax and Bowe… Let the Aints resign Colston and Nicks for big money. Then have our pick of Reggie Wayne, Meachem or Stevie Johnson.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 16, 2012 12:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I voted yes

One that is physical and one with speed (that can catch with said speed) I believe that Ginn will stay just to run the PR/KR and trick plays.

If the 49ers success offends you, so be it." Jim Harbaugh quote... Love It!

by chriscream on Feb 15, 2012 3:49 PM PST reply actions  

Just wishing out loud....

Pioli is a New England guy and they dont tend to tag WR’s or RBs. I’d be willing to bet they spend money on their D before they tag Bowe

by elijust on Feb 15, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

They are going to franchise Brandon Carr

And sign Bowe this year if they can. If they can’t sign Bowe long-term for what they want he’s going to look for his 50 million on the open market.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 16, 2012 12:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Thats. waste of a pick, is he fully recovered feom the injury?

Hello, Williams would do fine in the slot, however, slot receivers are not a vital part of this offense, we aren’t the pats, saints, packers, or lions.

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2012 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd go with 2

Unless their guy falls to them at #30, I might consider taking Fleener and draft 2 WR’s throughout the rest of the draft.

by TheFreakSFG on Feb 15, 2012 3:57 PM PST reply actions  

Fleener is a tweener

not trying to be cynical but hes more a a wr/ te hybrid right?

by elijust on Feb 15, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

6'6 250

Tweener he is not. Runs a 4.4 – 4.5 too.

by axelfoley on Feb 15, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Def not a tweener

sounds like a great guy opposite Vd with delanie in a Aaron Hernandez type role

by elijust on Feb 15, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

if that's a tweener

then I’m fine with that, I don’t understand why people are more hesitant with tweeners. 1 player to do the work of two, in a business setting that is called multitasking. not to mention the niners did well with their last 1st round “tweener” tight end.

by texasniner06 on Feb 15, 2012 4:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Not knocking tweeners.... Delanie is one

Just was thinking he was smaller than he really is. Was just thinking we dont need another Delanie we need another end zone threat. Fleeners size makes that cut

by elijust on Feb 15, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol

Well, if you watched Stanford play the last two seasons, Fleener was blowing by LBers and saftey’s with ease, on a regular basis. Never saw him get caught from behind either :)

by axelfoley on Feb 16, 2012 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

How about this dynamic duo...

Bowe and Jackson. :-)

Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....

Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB

by ak4niner on Feb 15, 2012 4:00 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe we can convince them.

You know, say “we’ll give you the best chance for a ring, after that you can get big bucks in FA”.

OK, I’m headed back to reality now…

Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....

Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB

by ak4niner on Feb 15, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

As the draft nears, I'm liking picking Fleener at 30 more and more.

But this is about the wide receivers so…

I like McNutt and Criner. McNutt is the guy I want us to get. I don’t know if I’d like us drafting 2 WR’s so early. I’ll have to wait and see what happens in free agency to have a better idea on how to answer that. But I do want us to draft McNutt no matter what happens. Criner would be a good pick if we don’t get McNutt. And Moye is an okay pick on day 3.

by mikeinsp on Feb 15, 2012 4:03 PM PST reply actions  

You liking McNutt and Fleener

Is making me like Fleener even less. And I already don’t believe he’s worth a 1st round pick.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 16, 2012 12:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Gotta be McNutt , just for the sure irony of his name ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Feb 15, 2012 4:08 PM PST reply actions  

I'v ebeen leaning towards draftin an OLB at 30

then u can let brroks walk. although that is contingent on re-signing Rogers or signing some other vet FA CB. Then you can sign a FA wr and draft another in rd 2 or 3.

by slim on Feb 15, 2012 4:09 PM PST reply actions  

I'd let Rogers walk before Brooks

Rogers is close to the CB wall while Brooks still has his best days ahead

by elijust on Feb 15, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

ya you could for sure

let them both walk and sign a FA CB like porter or and spend the money on better WR. Or sign a cheaper receiver like manningham or meachem and sign a little higher priced FA CB. save some money by draftinf a OLB instead of signing back Brooks. I like Brooks….don’t get me wrong….but i thnk the money could be beter used elsewhere and he might be looking at a pretty big contract

by slim on Feb 15, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Manningham will get #1 money and give u #2 play

His situation looks a lot like Houshmanzadeh a few yrs ago

by elijust on Feb 15, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm hoping Rogers gives us a discount

But I trust the FO will makes the right choices. Baalke has done a hell of a job so far

by elijust on Feb 15, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh , both men played out of their minds last year , you don't just replace them ... freaking crazy to think it ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Feb 15, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Well , thank goddness I don't , but if I had my druthers It be Rogers , thinkin" both will be back though ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Feb 15, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

trade back our 30th pick

lot of good prospects, both on CB, WR. I’m sure the coaching staff and front office can find some gold among the WRs mentioned here. Then Stephen Gilmore or Brandon Boykin. Who knows, maybe Sanu or some of the other guys who are projected will slip.
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by cph49er on Feb 15, 2012 4:21 PM PST reply actions  

I don't see the point of this

people are complaining that we only have #2s on our team so the best solution is to draft two more #2s?

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 4:31 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed

I’d rather focus on fixing our problem with a #1

by elijust on Feb 15, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah and we got our best number two with a top 10 pick (whiff). like I said, I don’t think Baalke has really put his focus on settling the WR situation. he will this time around and he will use the whole draft to his advantage. not every #1 wide out was a first rounder.

by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 15, 2012 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

The only guys i see being 1st round worthy at # 30

are Randle or Jeffrey. Randle has more speed but i think Jeffrey has better jump ball ability

by elijust on Feb 15, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeffery is fat and slow

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

not to mention his lack of production

you can site that he has a bad QB but good WRs produce with poor QBs.

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

average

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

both the QB and the WRs were average

nothing more nothing less

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

most are

so because not all great QBs are above six feet makes drafting Moore ok?

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

most #1 WRs are just because a few aren't doesn't mean drafting them in the later rounds will work.

I.E. Not all great QBs are tall so it would be ok to draft Kellen Moore.

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

ok i got lost

I think Kellan Moore is gonna be a poor mans Brees

by elijust on Feb 15, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I know you love Kellen

"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."

by Blank x2 on Feb 15, 2012 10:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Stupid iPhone

I know you love Kellen Moore, but that guy more than likely wont be drafted very high.

Probably not gonna be a starter anytime soon.

"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."

by Blank x2 on Feb 15, 2012 10:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

its not in terms of “ok” or “not ok”

personally, I look at game film. what someone does on the field means a whole lot more to me than if he’s an inch shorter than the norm. but that’s just me. you can judge players however u want to, but projected draft round and 40 times and height/weight..whatever..can they play football is what I want to know

by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 15, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you have any #1s that weren't drafted in the first?

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

brandon marshall, wes welker, dwight clark, chris carter off the top of my head..i’m not going to list them, thats not my point. i think everyone knows that theres talent to be found throughout entire drafts, not just one round..

by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 15, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Clark is a TE

and if we include TEs then we shouldn’t be complaining about our Receiving Corps.

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Steve Smith
Hines Ward
Chad Johnson

The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.

by slapsy on Feb 15, 2012 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Hines Ward was a great blocker but I'd never consider him an elite WR

Chad Johnson and Jordy Nelson were pick 36 so they were 2nd round BARELY.

Miles Austin, Brandon (headcase) Marshall DJax (headcase) and Mike Wallace are much better examples.

But now on to the 1st rounders Fitz, C.Johnson, A.Johnson, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Roddy White, Hakeem Nicks…

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 16, 2012 1:10 AM PST up reply actions  

CRAPSHOOT

The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.

by slapsy on Feb 16, 2012 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

But drafting one in the 1st round is like betting the pass line

the high 2nd round is playing 6 and 8 and everything else is like hard-ways and horn bets

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 16, 2012 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

btw this theory will work

if you throw enough darts you will hit a bullseye sooner or later.

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

even a stopped watch is right twice a day

by elijust on Feb 15, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

The vast majority of the leagues elite guys were drafted in elite position

You can get #1 guys lower but the majority of those guys are finishing their degree and preparing for life outside football in 3-4 years

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 16, 2012 1:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Niners aren't in a position to get a "#1"

So Balke and company have to try and resign the people we need on defense and try to find the guys that have the cliched “upside” to go from a 2 to a 1. They need to find this year’s version of Torrey Smith or Victor Cruz.

by throwthedamnball on Feb 15, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

You mean a guy who sits on a bench for a year and comes from a small school and a guy who can only go deep?

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes.

At this point I’d take anyone with Torrey Smith’s kind of speed and I’ll take a guy from a small school that put up Cruz-like numbers. I’d even take 3/4 of Cruz if the guy is willing to show up to mini camps and put in some offseason work instead of nursing phantom injuries.

by throwthedamnball on Feb 15, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

You know that Cruz isn't the #1 right?

the Giants just use the slot WR a lot. Look at Smith he put ridiculous numbers at NY then went to Phili and ya…

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not saying we need Cruz specifically

The Niners need to find one or two WRs later in the draft or someone that can contribute that isn’t a high price tag FA. Those two players that I mentioned fit that billing. I like Criner personally.

Also I realize Cruz was the beneficiary of a drastically better QB and offensive scheme but I still think that kind of guy (highly motivated with some speed) could do more for the Niners than Crabtree is currently doing.

by throwthedamnball on Feb 15, 2012 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I.E the niners need to get lucky

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, according to most everyone else we were lucky all seaason.

So why not with this?

Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....

Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB

by ak4niner on Feb 15, 2012 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

It's going to take some cap wizardry, luck and hometown discounts

to resign all of our own free agents, let alone bring in a #1 WR. Do you want to bring in some FA QB’s? That’s more cash money too. This is not to say its impossible but it’s not as simple as saying “make the cap work.”

by throwthedamnball on Feb 15, 2012 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Crabs has #1 talent and no competitive drive

even if he just did the T.O. and played for his own glory I’d be happy with that cuz as much as T.O. was a jerk, he played hard.

by elijust on Feb 15, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats just stupid.

Dude is different but he to say he has no competitive drive is just stupid. This guy is a good football player, just needs to be more consistent but that could be said about other better thought of players as well.

by Iamczar on Feb 15, 2012 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

and he isn't the #1

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

VD is our #1 receiver

we need more than just Crabs, Walker and Williams to compliment him. Bringing Morgan back, signing a FA (Bowe, VJax, etc) and drafting a WR with upside will do a lot to make our entire receiving corps much more potent. Each guy can have his role and as a unit they’ll be better and the defenses will have to be more concerned with guys other than Davis. I agree that we can’t have the attitude that if we don’t get a Calvin Johnson/Larry Fitzgerald that we can’t go to the next level. Heck, if we had Morgan in the NFC championship, we’d have won.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 15, 2012 5:18 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

We don’t have athe cap room to bring back our defense and sign a proven #1 WR. But we can build a better overall WR core. We definitely have and have had enough possession wideouts. I’d like to have Morgan back since he provides an intermediate threat but we do need someone that can stretch the field hat actually knows how to spot a ball without losing it in the sun inside of a dome.

by throwthedamnball on Feb 15, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

we do have the cap room

its called working with the numbers. There is a reason why we are paying Willis 17m this year and 3 next…

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree......

Add a mid level guy like Meachem who can stretch the field and draft Hill or McNutt. Resign Morgan and you have an improved WR group with some potential to be very good.

by Iamczar on Feb 15, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Meachem would make sense financially...

And he would probably become our #1 option after being the third or fourth option in NO. I do wonder what the price tags will be for some of these WRs. Steve Johnson’s franchise tag would be close to $10 mil, so what is a guy like Meachem going to be looking for?

by throwthedamnball on Feb 15, 2012 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

With his hands, Fail!

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2012 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Ummm , there's only Two receiver's on the Team , so they may need a couple more , just sayin ...!!

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by Edggy on Feb 15, 2012 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Well ya that makes sense

but I’m against the belief that by spending more picks in the later round in the hopes that you will strike gold

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

also we need to resign Ginn and Morgan

otherwise we will have to wait another year for Alex to get in snyc with his WRs and will suffer from worse field position.

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

good.

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

You know we will get 14m next year

because Willis’s cap hit goes from 17 to 3

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Bowman can wait

he only started one year Willis played for 4.

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by manraj7 on Feb 15, 2012 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

That would go against Harbaugh's "Team First" approach

I don’t see either of them pulling that “I want a new contract” deal. Bowman will get taken care of when it’s appropriate. They’ll likely give him a big extension at that point.

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by kailuakid9er on Feb 15, 2012 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Harbaugh is not a spiritual being, are you high? Players want money it happens, J Smith makes less than Crabtree, so ya never know. You should always leave yourself some wiggle room.

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2012 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

YES I am high

just take a closer look at my avatar lol

I never said he was a “spiritual being”, but he did get the team to buy into what he’s selling. Didn’t he? He wants his guys to get taken care of, but this new regime will not tolerate distractions, which is what any sort of holdout would be.

No, I think this FO will prudently take care of the guys they want to keep and add some appropriate pieces with their future cap flexibility, and jettison the guys that don’t want to or won’t fit into the picture.

"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin

by kailuakid9er on Feb 15, 2012 9:38 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Don't be so confident in the FO and how they handle the veterans...

It’s a touchy situation because, by doing so you unite the locker room and get them to buy in, but Harbaugh and the FO completely caved when Gore said he was holding out for a new contract. Do you honestly think if Justin Smith said he was underpaid and was going to hold out they would be able to play hard ball? They would cave again immediately. And when Goldson gets the franchise tag because a new deal can’t be worked out properly, he’s going to hold out for most of training camp and preseason. It’s the way it works and eventually they will have to figure out how to keep the team as one while they let certain players walk.

by 9thevolution on Feb 16, 2012 8:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Gore was a different situation

Gore’s contract was up at the end of the season, and was coming off a season where he fractured his hip. He wasn’t likely to get many contract offers after the season with his injury history and the fact that he’d be turning 30 after the 2012 season. The Niners needed him and were smart enough to sign him given the lockout. They were even smarter to sign him to a contract that is favorable to the team.

Link: http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/09/02/gores-contract-with-49ers-lack-guarantees/

Smith’s currently 33 years old and under contract through 2014. How much longer can he maintain his level of play? Given his age I don’t think he’d hold out, and if he did I’d expect that if they “caved” that it would result in a team friendly contract.

Bowman’s contract is up after 2013. I don’t think he’ll hold out because I’m pretty sure he’ll get a fat extension before then.

If Goldson gets the tag and ends up holding out I’m confident that the FO will find a capable replacement. The replacement may not be as explosive, but I’m sure they’d be more fundamentally sound than Goldson who is more than occasionally out of position and doesn’t consistently wrap up when tackling.

Again, this is a smart FO. Like the FO from the Glory Years I think they’ll “know when to hold’em, know when to fold’em, know when to walk away.”

"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin

by kailuakid9er on Feb 16, 2012 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Of coarse you are , thinkin" your being a little tight with Uncle Jed's money ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Feb 16, 2012 5:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Crabs is a #1

Not pro bowl but a teams #1. They didn’t have a #4 to pair him with the playoffs nor a QB who had a pair.

by bignerd on Feb 15, 2012 10:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Its amazing this year to think we won’t be drafting one of the top 7 guys in the draft because we played so dang well this year…I have to say, If we are gonna use a 1st rounder for a WR you either trade up to get :
Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor, or Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina or trade out of first round and pull a Belicheck and get a 2nd and several other picks

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by Widowwolf on Feb 15, 2012 4:42 PM PST reply actions  

McNutt would be a good draft pick

we can get good receivers after the first round. Another guy i’d target in the draft is T.Y. Hilton from Florida Int’l. he’d be a good slot guy and also a dangerous kick returner. We could let Ginn go b/c he’s mostly just a return guy anyway.

McNutt has good size and could be a weapon in the red zone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 15, 2012 4:44 PM PST reply actions  

Need a tall receiver and a true speed threat/kr to replace Ginn

I’d take a look at Joe Adams for the speed, and someone other than Alshon Jeffery for a big…Jeffery hasn’t shown the work ethic or the want to to be something special in the NFL

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by ronniemac03 on Feb 15, 2012 5:45 PM PST reply actions  

Hill or McNutt but not both...

If the Niners are smart they’d make a run at Meachem, resign Morgan and draft Hill or McNutt and bring back Swain. That would upgrade the talent at WR without breaking the bank and allow them to either trade down or draft BPA in the first round. With Crabtree and Morgan the Niners essentially have 2/3’s of what the need at wideout. Williams is another talented WR that would benefit moving back into the slot. Adding Meachem would give them the deep threat they need and another 6’2 WR. Drafting a Hill or McNutt would provide depth and another possible playmaker.

by Iamczar on Feb 15, 2012 6:11 PM PST reply actions  

Why bring back Swain?

This team really only needs 5 WRs and it’s more likely that they do that and 4 TEs rather than 6 WRs and 3 TEs.

by 9thevolution on Feb 16, 2012 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Most likely not the dynamic duo most will think of, but I believe the 49ers should draft

Orsen Charles TE (UGA) future offensive mismatch, sound in pass and run blocking, and has played in a pro-style offense his whole college career.

Ryan Broyles WR (OK) should get great value from this pick considering he was just a first round talent, who will drop to most likely the 3rd round, due to injury concerns…

I know those two do not scream dynamix duo, but the value and potential are both very great with these picks. This would definitely make this offense much more formidable, and much harder to defend. With that being said, you are talking about possibly/most likely two 3rd Round picks, to sure up your depth on the offense,The mismatches these two would create would be endless.

Also, by adding Charlesand Broyles…..imagine a 3rd Down package of VD TE, Charles TE, Broyles SR, Morgan WO, Crabtree WO, Gore RB, and Delanie as the FB . I am pretty positive that would definitely be the most dynamic offensive package the 49ers have had in YEARS!!!!

Charles is what the league is transitioning to, TE’s who run and play like WR’s, you see what this does for the Pats….Now I am not sying Charles will be the next Gronk or even Hernandez, but just by adding him onto the field….a mismatch has been created in the 49ers favor…..The 49ers already have one automatic mismatch on the field in VD…..and somewhat of a second in Delanie, but by adding Charles as the #2 TE, and delegating more duties for Delanie as the FB/3rd TE or even jjust by splitting him out……you as an offense are creating doubt in the minds of the defense….you are creating second guessing….you are creating opportunities for A.Smith to succeed, and that is by creating MISMATCHES!!!

Plus, in the ABSOLUTE WORST case scenerio…..you add depth to points of weakness in the WR/TE/FB….not saying B.Miller is a point of weakness, nor am I saying that Delanie is either….but facts remain you always want to add and possess a variety of looks you want to be able to show the defense….even if it is just for show….AND a talent like Broyles for a 3rd Round pick is an absolute STEAL!!!!!……so with two picks you are adding possibly a potential NFC best 1..2 punch in VD and Charles….and a potential #1-#2 WR in Broyles….WHILE NOT SPENDING A 1ST NOR A 2ND ROUND PICK!!!!……you cannot beat that……….

This leads me to possibly picking up two of either a CB, S, or OL with the 1st two rounds, and later with the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounds…..you get another OLB,DB, DL, and another OL

A Draft of

1st Round – Dre Kirkpatrick CB AL/Mark Barron S AL(only if Goldston is gone)/Janoris Jenkins CB Northern AL/ Stephen Gilmore CB SC/ Alfonzo Dennard CB
2nd Round – Kevin Zeitler OG WIS
3nd Round – Orsen Charles TE UGA
3rd Round – Ryan Broyles WR OK
4th Round – Trevor Guyton DE CAL/Keenan Robinson OLB TX/Cliff Harris CB Oregon/Lucas Nix OG Pitt
5th Round – Josh Chapman DT AL/ Markus Zusevics OT Iowa/ Danny Trevathon OLB Kentucky
6th Round-7th Round – Nick Provo TE Syracuse/ Asa Jackson CB Cal Poly/ Kellen Moore QB BSU/ Tank Carder OLB TCU/ BJ Cunningham WR Mi State/ Nicolas Jean-Baptiste DT Baylor/ Deangelo Tyson DT UGA/ Ron Brooks CB LSU/ Frank Alexander DE OK/ Greg Childs WR ARK/ Dorian Graham WR Syracuse

Also we trade our 3rd next year and most likely a 4th or 5th along with it

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by chicagobullies on Feb 15, 2012 6:17 PM PST reply actions  

Really , so Jimmy Gram , Gronk , Vernon , Delanie , Hernadez and others present no mis-matches ... funny you ...!!

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by Edggy on Feb 15, 2012 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't say that.

What I’m saying is this thought that adding another TE would just make this offense even better when in reality the Niners need play-makers outside. The Niners have the best TE duo in football IMO and they were shut down because teams simply clogged the middle and played straight up outside. The reason the Pats duo was so tuff was because they had guys that could win outside one on one. Yes having a good TE can present mismatches but drafting another TE in the top3 rounds? Stupid, especially with the forgotten man Nate Byham will be back as well a guy that most people were high on coming into the season. That’s three TE’s that can play so why add another? But the theme seems to be adding another TE for the purpose of mismatches as if the Niners don’t already have that covered.

by Iamczar on Feb 15, 2012 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Gronkowski/Hernandez are the best duo

the Niners play a ton of heavy formations, Don’t underestimate the quandary that opposing defenses will face with 3 (or 4) TE sets.

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by slapsy on Feb 15, 2012 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

The fullback

That’s the difference. You come out 2 TE 2 WR you can run out of it or have 4 receivers going vertical. The defense can’t key off on you.

But you come out in 2 TE 1 FB 1 WR and not only does that stack the box but you have only one outside threat which allows coverages to rotate and defensive coordinators to throw out some more exotic pressure packages without taking too much risk.

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by Ougadas on Feb 16, 2012 6:06 AM PST up reply actions  

And.......

If Brady were my QB I’d take VD and Walker over Gronk and Hernandez anyday. Let’s remember Gronk broke VD’s TD record with Brady in that wide open offense of N.E. Davis got the record in Raye’s offense with Smith. For the record that’s not a slap at Alex but my point is Gronk played with a better QB in a passing offense.

by Iamczar on Feb 15, 2012 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Id take Delanie as the distant 4th pick every time

by bignerd on Feb 15, 2012 10:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yah Hernandez is way better

Delanie is good enough to start on a couple teams in the league… Maybe. It’s close. Hernandez starts on 1/2 the teams in the league.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 16, 2012 1:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Too many men on the field

imagine a 3rd Down package of VD TE, Charles TE, Broyles SR, Morgan WO, Crabtree WO, Gore RB, and Delanie as the FB

You do realize that this leaves you with 13 players on the field?

by 9thevolution on Feb 16, 2012 8:12 AM PST up reply actions  

You have to take someone that will demand a double team due to speed or size and have good hands. The speed at the WR position is underestimated, can’t wait for the combine. Also, we have to take a dual threat WR that has solid return ability. Niners should be looking to trade back twice and attempt to acquire 3 second rounders.

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2012 7:17 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

WR

1. Joe Adams-3rd round- electrifying return man and great slot guy

If Adams goes in the 2nd then draft Broyles in the 3rd

2. Nick Toon-5th- has the size and speed. Bargain in the 5th bc of pre-draft injury

by temerelaforza on Feb 15, 2012 8:26 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Crabtree moves to slot

If they resign Morgan and draft a big WR, wouldn’t they move Crabtree to the slot? He’d be a lot more effective there.

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by kailuakid9er on Feb 15, 2012 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Doubt it. I personally see no reason to keep Morgan and Crabtree.

Unless, you only add rookies to the team. The offense doesn’t use the slot much, maybe it will change who knows?

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2012 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Hill and Quick

If we draft 2 WR I like HIll in the 2nd round(think he’ll be gone by the 3rd), and Quick in the 4th-5th.

If we go FA WR and draft 1 WR I say sign Morgan and Meachem and draft Quick.

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by kailuakid9er on Feb 15, 2012 8:38 PM PST reply actions  

If they don’t draft 2 WRs, 1 RB and 1 TE they can plug in right away this draft is failure. Need to completely reinvent and beef up the skill positions on offense cause overall the offense still sucks.

by bignerd on Feb 15, 2012 10:59 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

TE?

So Davis, Walker, and Byham already aren’t the best 1-2-3 TE punch in the league?

by tigerking on Feb 16, 2012 1:57 AM PST up reply actions  

What would make you believe that?

Byham did not play this year and was nothing more than a blocking TE prior to that. Walker is no longer a TE; he’s a utility player that is used to attempt to confuse defenses and happens to be listed as a TE. Also, he did not catch a pass after the first Giants game last year.

I agree with nerd, this draft needs to upgrade our skill positions badly. At least 5 of 7 picks should be for offense; the 4 nerd mentions and one C/RG.

by 9thevolution on Feb 16, 2012 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Marvin Jones and Greg Childs

You can probably find Marvin in the 2nd and Childs in the 6th.

In many ways all these big guys are the same. You will have to teach them the NFL route tree. You will have to break them of body catching. You will have to work on their releases from the line because most of them have horrid footwork with wasted steps everywhere and at least half of them don’t know how to use their hands to get off a jam.

Oh, and Walter still has the inflated measurements from the respective athletic departments. Almost all those guys lost an inch or two or three when the tape measures came out and many are going to be struggling to stay out of the mid 4.6 range.

Bottom line, if the biggest upside to a guy is size then make a list of big guys and don’t overdraft.

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by Ougadas on Feb 16, 2012 6:27 AM PST reply actions  

It's really going to come down to which players the 49ers sign in FA

If the 49ers sign a WR in FA, then I don’t see the need to draft a WR in the first round. I can’t picture the team lining up a rookie at the number one WR spot. In any case, if the 49ers can’t sign any above-average WR in FA, then believe it or not, Crabtree/Morgan would still be the team #1 WR. Don’t expect a rookie WR picked in the late first round to be starting right away. The only rookie that I can remember starting right away was AJ Green, and he was picked fourth overall. I hope the 49ers do not offer a big contract to any WR FA. I have seen to many times teams throwing an insane amount of money to a WR every year and got nothing back in production. (Sidney Rice, Roy Williams, Antonio Bryant, TJ Housh back with the Seahawks). The WR position is more of a complimentary position, and to get production from a WR, you need to feed him with passes. I understand offering a big contract to a QB, RB, LT in offense because they play a major and crucial role, but signing a WR with a big contract during the offseason could be a mistake. IMO the 49ers are going to sign a WR in free agency who would accept a reasonable salary and draft a WR in the 2nd – 4th round.

by 49ersDude on Feb 16, 2012 9:14 AM PST reply actions  

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