49ers Salary Cap: Optimism Abounds
by David Fucillo on Feb 15, 2012 6:01 AM PST
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PrintAs of late, much of the discussion surrounding the 49ers salary cap position has been on the approximately $30 million in expected space this year. The 49ers have approximately $103.7 million allotted towards a cap estimated to be around $121 million. Additionally, they have $12.6 million in credits from 2011 that roll over to 2012. The actual 2012 cap figure will be officially determined in the coming weeks as we approach the start of free agency on March 13.
While the 49ers do have quite a few significant players up for new contracts this offseason, Matt Maiocco made an interesting point in breaking down some of the 49ers salary cap numbers from 2011. The 49ers gave out a lot of contracts last August. Four of them were notable multi-year deals for Ray McDonald, David Akers, Jonathan Goodwin and Donte Whitner. In looking at their salaries, their averages totaled approximately $14.5 million. However, as MM pointed out in his article, the combined first-year cap figure for the four deals was $8.65 million.
Thanks to the power of pro-rated signing bonuses and other ways to massage the salary cap, the 49ers have opportunities to extend quite a few players under that $30 million in cap space. It is worth noting that if they franchise Dashon Goldson and he signs that franchise tender, he will earn approximately $6.2 million in 2012 with that all applying to the 2012 cap, thus reducing the 49ers free money to approximately $24 million.
Aside from Goldson, the 49ers are looking at a laundry list of free agents that includes Alex Smith, Carlos Rogers, Ahmad Brooks, Joshua Morgan, Adam Snyder, and Ted Ginn. I won't begin to project cap numbers for any of these folks because there are so many possible permutations on contracts at this point. Suffice to say, it will take a wee bit more to get multi-year deals done on these contracts as compared to last year's deals. Add in potentially signing a high-priced veteran wide receiver and it will make for some significant work for Paraag Marathe and company.
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Hopefully we'll see some deals done soon
Also hope that Baalke won’t backload too much and get us in trouble in 3-4 years time, when we need to continue paying our “stacked” roster that has a legit SB team year in, year out.
I Dont See Baalke Signing A "High Priced Veteran WR", Fooch
I know we only have one season of acquisitions to evaluate, but the rule seems to be avoiding high priced stars and hiring cheap-blue-collar or down-on-their-luck players. With all the talk of FA WR’s, they are all looking for a payday. I dont see the 49ers interested with that scenario. So if we arent paying top dollar, why would these guys leave their present teams anyway? The only way we are going to get one of these guys is if they want to be a 49er bad and dont care about the money. Dont see it.
Agent Dunham....Walternate testified that in his universe, AleX Smith is a pro-bowl QB for the Saints, and broke Trent Dilfer's season record of 6000 yards passing. Walter....Thats nice, more LSD please.
I tend to agree we won't splurge on a top FA WR (if any are available after the franchise tags are given)
I’d expect they target (in no specifc order): Meachem, Manningham, Wayne, L. Robinson, Garcon.
Right!
I would replace Wayne with Early Doucet, however. Plus that would be even greater addition by subtraction.
And with that I foresee another year of excuses for AS lovers
by asmithisaverage on Feb 15, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
We did that week 3 or 4 this year... immediately following the weeks we blamed the offensive line
I remember a lot of people on this website claiming Gore was done.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 15, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
He is
How much did you see him create for himself this year?
How many of the times he was sprung into the secondary with no one between him and the goal line was he caught from behind?
When the line opens holes, Gore has a good day. When the line doesn’t open holes, Gore has a very bad day of running in place behind his lead blocker until the defense arrives.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
1000 yard season
not sure you can ask for much more when everyone is playing the run.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 15, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
Yards are meaningless
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Sounds like something an AS defender would say
by asmithisaverage on Feb 16, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
196 yards per game and 1 TD
that’s all we need to win a super bowl, right??
by asmithisaverage on Feb 17, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
He is still a great back. Staff should have let him get healthy.
He has better vision than Hunter, and made something out of nothing quite often.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Stop it.
The amount of people that ‘love," Alex Smith are dwarfed by the number of people that would like this franchise to have drafted or acquired a play-maker at WR. Outside of Brandon Lloyd (who is a serviceable #2) the Niners haven’t put a wideout of any consequence on the field in the last 8 seasons.
When you’ve got average/below average QB’s (Alex Smith, Shaun Hill, JTO, Troy Smith, Trent Dilfer, Tim Rattay) with average/below average WR’s you get a pathetic offense. Again outside of Brandon Lloyd (who made one Pro Bowl last season) can you name anyone on roster in the last 8 years that has made an all pro or probowl team?
I don’t count Isaac Bruce’s retirement party of 2008-09 either since he spent the better part of those seasons catching 5 yards outs and trying to avoid from being hit.
by throwthedamnball on Feb 15, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
I am sure the 28th WR of Alex Smith's NFL career will be the one to change the paradigm
by asmithisaverage on Feb 15, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Ouch!
A great WR could maybe catch some of those off-target balls. But are they gonna pay a WR more than their QB?
Agent Dunham....Walternate testified that in his universe, AleX Smith is a pro-bowl QB for the Saints, and broke Trent Dilfer's season record of 6000 yards passing. Walter....Thats nice, more LSD please.
If it's another 6'1 possession WR with average speed
the paradigm will never change. Alex Smith is above average QB on his best day, but that doesn’t change the fact that the WRs brought in by the front office have been disappointing to say the least.
You can say that Smith has had 28 WRs but none of them have gone on to bigger and better things after Alex Smith failed to “get them the ball.” Again, outside of Brandon Lloyd and Antonio Bryant (out of the league now) each having one-1,000 yd seasons nobody has even sniffed mediocrity.
The WR that has the best stats with Alex or any other Niner QB in recent memory is not so coincidentally the highest paid TE in the history of the NFL.
Go ahead and keep putting all the blame on the guy that won the Niner’s first playoff game in years. Yep, Alex is the problem. After all he’s had such talented wideouts like:
Rasheed Marshall
Arnez Battle
Johnnie Morton
Bryan Gilmore
Ashley Lelie
Brandon Williams
Jason Hill
Bryant Johnson
Dominique Zeigler
Brandon Jones
The real crime is that Alex Smith wasn’t able to send off both Isaac Bruce and Darrell Jackson in style before they retired. It was equally cruel that Alex would force Braylon Edwards to tear up his knee and underperform even after his injury.
by throwthedamnball on Feb 15, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
So now Alex alone won us a playoff game?
Certainly not the punter who set an NFL record for net distance, or the defense that generated turnovers and set up short fields, or the kicker who set a team record when offensive drives inevitably stalled. Got it.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 15, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
So now you're going to ignore the clear logic of his response to your post
and move on to some other complaint? Come on, you start a conversation, at least have the facts to back up your position or admit you were dead wrong, as in this case.
Dead wrong about what?
You guys keep saying that but I am not sure you know what it means. I just pointed out the reason why we got to the playoffs and competed with the Saints. Alex Smith was a non-factor until the last 4 minutes of the Saints game. He was a non-factor the entire Giants game. We lost the Giants game because for the first time in weeks, the defense didn’t create turnovers, something AS had relied on all season for field goal tries.
Arnez Battle was a rising star until he got hurt. Lelie was a rising star until he get Smithed out. As was Brandon Jones. Isaac Bruce and Darrell Jackson were both good enough for 1000 yard seasons but it didn’t happen. There is nothing here but blaming others when it is clear the wins from this year did not come from Alex but from the defense, punter and kicker. That’s what changed from the last 7 years, it certainly wasn’t Alex Smith who changed.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 15, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
your comment was
I am sure the 28th WR of Alex Smith’s NFL career will be the one to change the paradigm
The one fact you can’t get around is that Lloyd is the only receiver that has left the 49ers has gone on to be better than a below average WR and Lloyd was traded after Smith’s 7 first starts.
That makes zero sense
You are arguing that the more WR fail under Smith the less likely you can blame Smith? Wow. Amazing logic.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 15, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
AFTER SMITH
AFTER AFTER AFTER AFTER AFTER AFTER
seemed to bear repeating since you keep ignoring it.
Its because having AS throw to you appears to be a death sentence.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 15, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
Funny how talented guys that get traded go onto great things
Sorry ones don’t
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 16, 2012 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
Antonia Bryant had an amazing season with TB before injury
and had a pretty average/bad one with AS at the helm.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 17, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
"Arnez Battle was a rising star..."
Lelie maybe, but Arnez Battle? Injuries are part of football and since I’m sure you’d be the last person to acknowledge Alex Smith’s career being hampered by injuries you can’t count them here.
But back to the point, you just used Arnez Battle and “rising star,” in the same sentence. The only WR core where Arnez Battle was considered a rising star was in a pathetic FO of the Nolan years. He was a possession guy/ special teamer. Lelie was “Smithed,” out and apparently was so good he lasted a whole year with the Raiders before calling it quits.
I can’t in good conscience continue this conversation after the “Arnez” comment. This was a franchise that once had Jerry Rice and TO on the same roster. I believe that they can find those kind of players again. Have fun opining over what could have been with Michael Craptree and his spotless uniform.
by throwthedamnball on Feb 15, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
Arnaz Battle was had zero drops on 56 catches in 2006
In 2007 he led the team is receptions and yardage. He was a solid receivers despite who was passing to him. You might not like it but he was a classic 3rd year receiver coming into his own. He just didn’t have the QB to make it happen.
And the reason I don’t acknowledge AS injuries is because that’s like the 12th reason it isn’t Alex’s fault on the list. Half his injury benchings were just covers to get him out of the game.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 15, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Lol
Yes his grade 3 separated shoulder requiring surgery was a benching… Then the surgery to remove the wire that sawed into his bone was a benching as well.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 16, 2012 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
He had legitimate injuries
but not all the injury benchings were for surgeries.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 17, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
Way to side step the argument
Alex showed up in the NO game big time. So did Vernon, Akers, Lee and our entire defense. You know who didn’t show up in the whole playoffs? The WRs.
Niners WR core in two playoff games:
8 catches, 47 yds, 1 td
by throwthedamnball on Feb 15, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
You are correct.
They have no WRs to throw to.
by throwthedamnball on Feb 15, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
He showed up for 4 minutes in the Saints game.
Is that really your argument? I wish he played like that for 4 minutes in the Giants game. He had the opportunities.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 15, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Pay now or pay later
But you always have to pay.
When you see cap numbers that are less than the average yearly value you are borrowing cap from future years.
If we’re smart we’re taking cap hits in 2012 and maybe a little in 2013. 2014 is another FA storm where we have to replace or re-sign many of our starters including some premium positions and if we are cash strapped in 2014 we are in deep trouble.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Willis is costing us 17mil this year
http://www.ninercaphell.com/player/70-Willis-Patrick.html
2013: 3mil
2014: 6mil
2015:8mil
2016:9 mil
And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman
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and if you look at our 2013 numbers no one is above 9mil
http://www.ninercaphell.com/yearly/2013/salary2013/DESC
And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman
Follow @manraj76
Willis is one of the best middle linebackers to play the game
That being said — that is way too much money for an inside linebacker.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
well
its because all of the signing bonus is put into one year. Its a 5 year $50 mil year. Praage just knows how to make the cap pretty. I think its legitimately possible to sign everyone and remain under the cap.
And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman
Follow @manraj76
Still way too much money for a middle linebacker
Even if you only count the average yearly.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Is there a better middle linebacker?
Would you let him walk?
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Send Crabtree and Willis to replace Ray Lewis.
I’ll take Suggs and a 3rd round pick
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 16, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
No
But that means Bowman is gone when his contract is up.
Even if he only wanted 75% of what Willis makes we can’t afford to have that much money tied into the middle linebacker position.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Which is why we should trade him
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 16, 2012 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Fooch according to ninercaphell
The 49ers have exercised to carry over the remaining 2011 cap space, $16.87M. Which should give them over $38M in cap space.
And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman
Follow @manraj76
You have to subtract the performance incentives that were paid out from the 2011 cap....
They’re actually only carrying over about $12m. A nice chunk of change, but still down enough to mean one of our FA’s we want to keep will potentially be going elsewhere.
by 9thevolution on Feb 15, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Ahmad Brooks?
He’s a beast but he’s undisciplined and I think a lot of his penalties got overlooked because of the rest of the defense. It really depends on what kind of money he’s looking for.
by throwthedamnball on Feb 15, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
After You take care of our guys!
Hey Mr. Ballke, great job! Let’s continue the success and start with Vince! He is done with AJ Smith in San Diego!
If he is smart ( and he is), he headed north to be a 49er! Ballke will not be penny piched him and will get a fair market deal! In return, he becomes the lead wideout as part of a winning west coast pass offense, becomes part of a play-off team with a real chance for ring next year! Vince, you will find Love in San Francisco! So tell your agent to call Ballke and get the deal done!
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