2012 NFL Free Agents: Stevie Johnson, Bills Continue Contract Talks
by David Fucillo on Feb 17, 2012 6:01 AM PST
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PrintAlthough the NFL world is mostly waiting for the start of the NFL Combine next week, contract discussions do continue for some players. We mentioned this past weekend how the Philadelphia Eagles were likely going to franchise wide receiver DeSean Jackson. Now it looks like another receiver could come off the market before free agency.
According to reports out of Buffalo, the Bills and wide receiver Stevie Johnson have exchanged contract proposals and will meet at the Combine to discuss things further. This does not mean the two sides are close to a deal since we don't know what numbers were exchanged. However, the fact that they are talking would seem to be somewhat positive news for Bills fans who want to keep Johnson and 49ers fans who do not want the 49ers considering Johnson.
The Bills receiver has a ton of talent, but he also has had plenty of mental miscues that can lead to some headaches. He has put together back-to-back solid seasons, although sometimes it has felt like he could have done more this year. There has occasionally been a bit of inconsistency in his performance. Not wildly inconsistent, but enough that it's noticeable and a little bothersome for some reason.
For those interested in signing Johnson, it is worth noting that he was born in San Francisco.
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Lot of talent with a lot of ego
Some of his touchdown antics seem genuinely funny (and suggest that he’s not just a typical meathead) but it also is something that could lead to off the field trouble or “team” issues down the road. From a skill set standpoint he’s everything the Niners need, speed and playmaking ability, but he’s also going to command a pretty high price tag (I think the Bills would have to franchise him for around $10 mil).
Downside, he’s 6’2 and not an imposing physical receiver with the aforementioned mental errors (5 drops in one game). Might make more sense for the Niners to try and draft Rueben Randle, Stephen Hill or even McNutt. I’m still a pretty big fan of Juron Criner and he’d probably be on the board and has the same physical tools as Johnson (made a ton of circus catches at Arizona).
by throwthedamnball on Feb 17, 2012 7:42 AM PST reply actions
You should know
That the two guys you talked about who have actually seen an independent tape measure shrunk until they were only 6’2" and the other two will probably shrink as well when they see tape.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
They wont cost 10 mil
Get the cheaper options.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Feb 17, 2012 9:04 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm cheaper too
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
I'd sign you.
You’re probably a better teammate than Stevie, too.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Feb 17, 2012 11:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe Stevie is an awesome teammate
and your brother’s friend isn’t.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 17, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Whatever you say.
He wasn’t the only UK player I heard say that, but he’s the only one I know enough to trust an believe. You aren’t gonna believe any of what I say about it, so don’t worry about it.
Don’t know why you worry about my opinion so much anyway.
And trust me, my buddy was well liked in the locker room. If you wanna disagree, feel free, but no reason to take shots at people you have never met. Kinda childish.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Feb 17, 2012 12:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
wish you'd take your own advice
no reason to take shots at people you have never met. Kinda childish.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 17, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
Yea.
Because me relaying information I have from one of his college teammates is the same as you taking a shot at my friend. At least I know ONE of them.
That’s not taking a shot. That’s saying what I heard from people WHO KNOW THE GUY. Maybe one day you will grasp this. Maybe.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Feb 18, 2012 7:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't take a shot at your friend at all
I am saying it is hearsay and if you would think about it for a second.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 19, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
I don't know about that
In my younger days I snapped a mean towel. Backhand too.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Franchise tag would be $10m...
I don’t think he gets that much in an actual contract from any team. He is one of the top FA WRs this year, but most teams will likely not want to pay him near the franchise figure. If you figure the top two WRs are V. Jackson and D. Bowe, Jackson likely will see close to $10m/year for 4-5 years, and Bowe will get the same or a little less. The Bills likely won’t franchise him, but it’s likely they work out a deal before FA begins.
I don’t think Johnson pushes for that type of money because he isn’t as highly touted and he can play out one contract and then get another deal or extension and be the same age as Jackson is now. I really think he would be the best “bang for your buck” guy available.
I still don’t think the Niners can afford it though.
by 9thevolution on Feb 17, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Some of the salary cap numbers i have seen don't appear to account for Spencer's salary
might make Johnson a little more affordable but certainly not Bowe, Jackson or Jackson.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 17, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think any figures acocunt for our savings after Spencer is gone...
It’s an additional $3.3m, but only for this year. We would still have to work the numbers with a couple contracts to make it all work out.
by 9thevolution on Feb 17, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
He owned Darrelle Revis
Good enough for me
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
by slapsy on Feb 17, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry.
I haven’t had a chance to get my “independent tape measure session,” with every college prospect yet. Thanks for starting off the morning with totally unwarranted personal douchebaggery though.
by throwthedamnball on Feb 17, 2012 8:19 AM PST reply actions
I think this is unwarranted
there is no personal attack in his comment. He says that measurements are not reliable. Marvin McNutt height measurements:
Hawkeyesports.com has him at 6’4,
nfldraftscout.com has him at 6’3, ESPN is at 6’4,
CBSsports.com has him at 6’2.
So either he is the same height as Stevie Johnson or maybe two inches taller. I can report it right here that he is 5’10 and wears elevated cleats.
I read the subject line as an independent statement/headline,
rather than part of the whole sentence. My bad. That being said his claim that the measurements (which I never specifically stated knowledge of) are inaccurate are the speculation of a blog commenter. The statement of “you should know,” implies that he has better information than ESPN, CBS, etc and I should also have that information. If the statement was truly meant to inform me of my wrongful information and not to “take a virtual dump,” on my opinion then color me surprised.
by throwthedamnball on Feb 17, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
No
These were the measurements taken at the Senior Bowl by pro scouts in front of other players, the coaching staffs, the media, god, and the flying spaghetti monster. All the players had to weigh in and measure up. This happens every year. The results are reported publicly as the full table of name, height, weight, arm length, wingspan or a link to such on almost every website that seriously covers the draft or professional football.
It’s not speculation. This is data. If you are following the draft enough to be able to like one of four very close players over another, you should know that — or you’re just picking out a guy who’s name you like better or more likely who you’ve seen play more being on the west coast.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Ya got me.
I’m not up on my Senior Bowl measurements. I saw Juron Criner play in more games than McNutt. I’m clearly out of my league. I will cease commenting and resume my studies of Big 12 Offensive linemen’s wingspans so in the future I don’t disturb your universe with faulty information.
by throwthedamnball on Feb 17, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Also
I already knew that Criner was 6’2 and shorter than he was listed originally (since another poster informed me with an actual “report”). Which is why I said he has, “the same physical tools as Johnson.”
by throwthedamnball on Feb 17, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
NFL draft scout lists his height further down
He’s 6’ 2 3/8" Their translation is 6024 which means 6’02.4"
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
i say trade #10 for a draft pick
wonder if crabtree is tradeable
why?
because both guys are getting better? Crabtree had just as many receptions as Stevie Johnson and Kyle Williams was essentially a rookie handling a job that he was not prepared for.
More like a rookie who got concussed on a whack play
who then was cleared faster than maybe he should have been because Ginn was out
by asmithisaverage on Feb 17, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
either way
it is not reason to throw him away. Heck, I wouldn’t mind seeing him return punts even. Everybody strikes out now and then. I guarantee you he won’t be diving for punts anymore.
Because that would get us a lot....
Kyle Williams is more valuable to this team as a player than he is as trade bait. A 6th round pick who starts the season as the #5 WR and by season’s end is the #2 and making a few nice catches to extend drives has a future; especially since he’s only a 2nd year player.
Also, if Smith doesn’t overthrow him on one play in the last game, he’s a hero not a goat.
by 9thevolution on Feb 17, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
If #10 brought his brain to the ballpark
he wouldn’t have been the goat.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
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