2012 NFL Draft: Should the 49ers Consider Trading Up?
by Tre9er on Feb 17, 2012 12:00 PM PST
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The Combine is right around the corner and draft season is in full swing, to be sure. The most popular position of need being discussed with regards to our beloved 49ers is wide receiver (WR). Most of us feel that if we had a "stud" WR on the roster we could go even further. Alex Smith's deep balls would have a higher percentage of being completed with a guy who can get up and fight for the ball, even if underthrown. A player with sure hands would also help stabilize a WR corps that saw it's fair share of drops in 2011.
The "bad news" is that this draft is not deep in top-tier WR's. It's believed that there are four really good prospects that will likely go early in the draft, then there's a significant drop-off. Granted the second-tier guys are still good players, and it's not like the NFL world has never seen a guy rise above his draft position, but you can't go to sleep at night feeling like all of our problems at WR are solved with a mid-round pick.
That being said, I think it's time for the 49ers to start thinking about trading up. Steve Berman, the Bay Area Sports Guy, wrote an article about how Michael Floyd would be the perfect WR for the 49ers with his size, strength, speed and hands. Floyd doesn't have elite speed, but for a 6'3" guy who's also very strong and surehanded, he can run quite well.
Floyd figures to be one of the first WR's taken in this draft along with Baylor's Kendall Wright, Oklahoma State's Justin Blackmon and LSU's Rueben Randle. All of these players could go as high as the top 15, making them likely out of the 49ers reach. Floyd however has some legal incidents that somewhat affect his value. Still I don't feel he would slide to the 30th pick, which is essentially the top of the second round.
The question is: If it starts to become clear that one of the top WR prospects won't be available at pick 30, should the 49ers trade up to get one?
If you really feel that this is a different/better team with the addition of a true playmaker at WR, then the answer should be yes. What would you give up and how far would you move in order to get a player like this? Which guy would you pick?
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I really hope they don't
I think Floyd/Blackmon/Wright/Randle are good players but I don’t think any one of them really comes close to me being OK with giving up a 5th (or higher, no thank you) to snag one of them. So much depth in both FA and the draft. I like that you put it out there, though. Always good to be thinking about possible scenarios, but I figure it’s more likely that one of them falls to 30 than we trade up for one.
Depending on what Wright runs (and he could very well be in the ballpark of a 4.35) he would be a #1 right away
Sub 4.35 and he’s worth a top 10 pick.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Yes; for a OG & get a WR in later rounds
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Free agency for a WR, resign carlos rogers (or sign the Carlos Rogers of 2012), resign dashon, let brooks go, depending on the development of a back up guards (sign a decent veteran guard or see how Kilgore does), draft an OLB with the first pick and depth for all of our positions especially DL.
by Matthew Endo on Feb 17, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
how many no's do you need, you're entitled to your opinion..
but yes move up get oline set. get a WR in FA & draft one in mid rounds like Brian Quick.
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 17, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
+1
There are no CAN’T MISS players (except Maybe Luck, RG3, and Matt Kalil) in this draft.
Especially given our needs and position, if we’re gonna trade up, we’d likely have to trade in the farm.
That might be worth it for a Calvin Johnson. But there are no Calvin Johnson’s in the draft.
by runningblack on Feb 17, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Luck is a very well could miss. Most overrated player EVER coming into the league. Phil Simms tells it true
Konz is the Calvin Johnson of centers. He’s worth trading up for.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Phill Simms calling Luck overrated?
Now that’s a case of the Pot calling the Kettle black if I ever heard one.
I’d be OK with a trade up for Konz.
"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin
by kailuakid9er on Feb 17, 2012 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
He says for all everybody talks there are things he doesn't like about his ball and he doesn't think he can really make all the throws
He also noted something about Harbaugh being great with QBs throughout his career. Everybody has kinda ignored him but…
Rich Gannon – Failure for the duration of his career til he joins Harbaugh on the Raiders then he exploded and lit up the NFL
Josh Johnson – Works with Harbaugh and goes from 31 TDs 8 Ints to 43 TDs 1 Ints and makes the NFL from out of nowhere
Andrew Luck – Is the greatest prospect ever, nobody is even close, ignore his flaws and his coach
Alex Smith – Complete bust, trashed in the media, worthless, can’t throw, deer in headlights. Harbaugh comes along and with no offseason Smith throws for the 9th highest passer rating in the NFL and 3rd highest in the playoffs while leading the team to a 13-3 record and the NFC championship game.
Notice what the majority of the media is ignoring?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
YEEEEEEEEEEESSSS!!!
are you done now with the tantrums…
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 17, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
NOOOOOOO!!!!!
I really don’t care. Once I see the combine then I can have an idea. I don’t follow college ball so until the combine I really have no opinion.
With a talented team, I prefer to stock pile draft picks for rainy days.
Ha!?!?! seriously though I get not trading up
I personally would like for them to trade back BUT if they can trade up it would be worth it only for an oline man
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 17, 2012 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
exactly but
seems some on here have their n & o buttons stuck on their computers..lol
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 17, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
no on resign Goldson
Franchise the currently most overrated safety in the league. He’s going to want to be PAID. He has no concept of sacrifice for the team. He wanted to be paid last year and every GM knew he wasn’t worth what he wanted. A few might be tricked now.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
RANDALL!!!
As an LSU fan as well as a 49ers fan I can’t stress enough how legit Randall is. We haven’t had very good QB play in BR the last few years but Randall still was able to come up with huge catch after huge catch his whole career. I would LOVE for him to be wearing red and gold next year.
by Geaux Islanders on Feb 17, 2012 12:18 PM PST reply actions
I gotta think
He’ll be there at 30… teams have been very skittish to draft WRs in the first and I just don’t see 4 going in Rd 1, but stranger things have happened…
Would only touch Randall if he runs 4.38 or below.
He got absolutely SHUT DOWN against Alabama both games.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
And I don't think he does. I think he's actually more of a 4.43 guy
Which is not fast enough for the routes he runs (Go route)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
At the right cost - Yes
Depends who the 49ers are trading up to select. If it’s Michael Floyd, absolutely not; I’d rather see another NFL team take a chance on him. If none of the best WR prospect are looking to be available, I think the 49ers should stand firm and take BPA. I’m not saying it happens annually, but productive WRs can be found after round 1 and sometimes very late in the draft.
There’s no sense reaching for a guy at pick 30, if you can trade up to get him at pick 45 with your second and fifth rounders. Whatever the price is, it’s better than giving up a first and a third in my opinion. If no one is looking good at pick 30, I’d rather see the 49ers trade out for a 2013 First Rounder + 2012 Second or Third.
I’m loving this shortened offseason, anyone else? February is flying by(e)!
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 17, 2012 12:25 PM PST reply actions
Only trade up to get RG3 or luck; not worth it for anyone else.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
Great idea.
Considering we already traded up for one QB.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Feb 17, 2012 12:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
maybe they will play RG3 or luck instead of wasting qb talent on the bench.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 17, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
maybe the NFL coach of the year has a pretty good idea of weather those QBs are ready or not
and isn’t wasting their talent on the bench
I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 17, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
appologist is what haters call those who don't hate
Having faith if our coaches makes me a hater? I have no problem whatsoever with Kaepernick, Tolzien or anyone else competing for the QB job and I won’t be upset if Alex doesn’t win it either. But if you want to call anyone who doesn’t hate Alex an appologist, go right ahead.
I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 17, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
Kaep >> tools than Luck
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
also, just so you're clear
I think that there’s a lot that Alex could have done better this past year. I just don’t get why some people act like everything is on one player. The receivers AND Alex(or whoever plays next year) needs to do a better job.
I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 17, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Its the internet. Typing seems one way when you nevwr can attach tone to it.
I’ve been called an Alex hater, because I refuse to sit idle while people fabricate what was accomplished. He was better with decisions and not turning the ball over. However, he did not improve in certain areas he has always struggles with. So, I step in on so called optimists, when its realistically over-optimism, but I can promise you I hope he does well, he is for certain coming back.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
As I said elsewhere. I disagree with your assessment
But you’re realistic that he’s coming back. I’m thinking he gets a contract for 4-5. You say 2-3. I think Harbaugh is following the Steve Young grooming plan with Kaepernick. And Alex will still have another big contract to go at 32.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
So he improved his pocket presence, ball placement, and poise?
He didn’t, still strong in the middle of the field and terrible on the sideline aside from wheel routes. Still leaving open receivers and taking sacks. That isn’t improvement, its the same guy with better coaching.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
he has
improved his pocket presence (this shows how TERRIBLE it was because its still poor), ball placement is still a huge problem, poise is much, much better. I still think his arm strength is a problem. Yes, he can sling it far, but its not on target. Also it gets away from him when he is trying to fit into a window (when he ever tries). I think Kaepernick can do better in most of these aspects based on talent alone while Smith is finally benefiting from experience.
2-3 year deal and pay him honestly. Alex won’t leave if he is successful.
Over 55 yards the accuracy gets poor
Between 30 and 50 it was fantastic this year. He put balls in 1 foot by 1 foot boxes multiple times.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
lol, he beats man to man coverage, does not place abything in a tight window.
You keep making things up.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
VD front right corner of the end zone. 30 Yard TD There was a tight window right there. The ball was EXACTLY where it needed to be
Vernon post. There was a 1 foot by 1 foot box. EXACTLY where it needed to be.
Vernon early in the Season 45-50 yard bomb. Ball landed PERFECTLY in VDs arms and he drops the easy TD. Alex makes all the throws. Just because you only remember the ones he misses doesn’t make you right.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
Beating man coverage, not dropping passes in tight Windows. That play vs the saints was remarkable. It’s funny you can name them because it isn’t often. Dude is scared to be great, you will see next year
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Ok
Notice I only used the recent ones except the pass VD dropped? It’s because I can’t think of all the great throws he made. He made plenty of them. Made bad ones too. But he made them to a lousy receiving corps behind half of an O-Line with no running game.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
I know I'm not going to convince you
So Alex can go out and lead us back into the Super Bowl hunt next year and you can continue to try to nitpick him.
While he puts up numbers identical to Troy Aikman’s super bowl years again.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
I haven’t seen him improve his pocket presence, he rarely steps up into it, he panics, and runs early. It is totally due to past oline play and inconsistencies of this one, but part of playing QB is rising above it. Hope he’s a Phoenix next year.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
yeah
but me screaming “Look out!!” has decreased from last year. Please, do not think that I am defending his pocket presence. The guy just does not have the right feel or field vision. It would be nice to see it get better with age and experience. To lead the league in sacks with such few attempts is a real head-scratcher. I think I’m arguing with myself now. Ok, it seems like its not as bad as before.
9 sacks against the Ravens
Half the time with guys coming untouched. Nuff said. All but one of the “elite” QBs in the league would be horrible under those circumstances. Even Eli doesn’t play well but he plays better than Rodgers, Brady or Brees when they are getting relentless pressure.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
First play wide open touchdown no pressure he didnt even look dow field.
He makes that play and changes the pressure. Why the hell do you think there is always eight or nine in the box.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
There are people running free downfield in every game dude
Every game across the league. I’ve seen Rodgers miss guys running alone down field, Brady the overrated, Manning, all of them.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
You have also seen those qbs hit open receivers downfield 17 times in one season.
Not to mention, only Alex can convince me, I’ve been on the blind faith and total optimism train before. You think Harbaugh is playing butt buddy with him because he’s gonna shock the world. He’s buddy buddy with him because he needs to be babied so to speak.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
by rlott#42 on Feb 18, 2012 1:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There should be good talent at the WR spot in the second and third rounds.
I think people might be surprised at how many DT get taken in the first and there possibly could be 3 or 4 qb’s taken in the first round again.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
I think they should consider trading up
if one of them slips past the 20th.
they will so it will not be a slip.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 17, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
And if they is Michael Floyd I don't wanna touch him.
He got 2 MIPs and right after that got a DUI. I understand getting MIPs. I understand getting DUIs… But getting two of 1 then 1 of the other back to back to back is a HORRIBLE precedent. It doesn’t suggest he has an alcohol problem. It suggests he doesn’t give 2 craps about getting in trouble. We could be talking about him getting another DUI and going to jail. We could be talking about the guy deciding to go the route of Jerome Simpson.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
if a wideout is drafted number one, the niners offense might be the first offense in history to have 11 first rounders as starters.
lol
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
a little bit of hyperbole but almost all 11; and there would always be next years draft.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 17, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
i'm thinking we stand pat or trade DOWN..
baalke has gotten his extension and his job seems to be pretty secure and harbaugh did say that he wanted to go into next year with “his guy’s/our guy’s”….i think if anything we gamble and trade down for someone else’s pick next year because at 30 we might not get ONE guy to send us over the top…not that i want us to trade down but for the future of the franchise that might be a better option..
Why so skiddish about 1st round WR's?
List of the past 5 years of 1st round WR draft picks…
2011- AJ Green, Julio Jones
2010- Demaryius Thomas, Dez Bryant
2009- DHB, Crabtree, Maclin, Harvin, Nicks, Britt
2008- None selected
2007- Calvin Johnson, Teddy Ginn, Dwayne Bowe, Meacheam, Casey Davis, Anthony Gonzales
2006- Santonio Holmes
Looks like more reward than risk to me
by Frisco_Kid on Feb 17, 2012 12:54 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Being as Crabtree was the second in his class and is not one of the top 2 since hitting the league, one may want to be hesitant.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
maybe if he had a quarterback to throw him the ball better he would be a top five wr………………………………………….
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 17, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
uhm.............................
funny how more and more exaggeration is needed to support_______________
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 17, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
I don't see any exaggeration
The fact that I can remember the specific plays where he got wide open (wheel route) means it wasn’t happening near often enough. And dropped balls… Well lol lets just go recent. Saints game. 3 drops. All big ones.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
I think he was refering to his own comment
I fully expect to see him later declaring that Ted Ginn would be a pro-bowl receiver with a different QB.
You remember the good old days when Rice had his hand up, running all by himself down field like 5 or 6 times a game
And like 3 of those he got the ball. That’s called being open
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
right, seemed like every game he was open and didn't get the ball at least once
happens to all WRs, it’s their responsibility to do it more than once a game
Julio Jones, AJ Green, Demaryius Thomas, Percy Harvin, Kenny Britt, Dwayne Bowe and Santonio Holmes
All have worse QBs than Alex throwing to them.
They are all better than Craptree
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
I WILL TAKE ALL OF THOSE QB'S OVER ALEX SITH
great, i have identified the problem with your football analysis
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 17, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
throws a better deep ball than alex, and is a better rb than alex
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 17, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Tebow is a better FB
but not a better RB, Alex can move
tebow can run and take a hit; tebow is clearly a better rb than smith
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 17, 2012 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
Alex has taken far more big hits in his career than Tebow.
Alex PLAYED THROUGH his concussion. Tebow missed a full game (or was it two?) when he got his at the college level.
Alex takes a better shot.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
no
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 17, 2012 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
tebow also fumbled the ball 13 times in 11 starts
Smith only fumbled 7 times in 16 starts.
i would
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 17, 2012 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
and this shows just how blinded you are by your hatred of Alex
I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 17, 2012 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
TEBOW???
I think not. I’d sooner have JeMarcus Russell or Jeff George…
Alex Smith is 10 steps above Tebow.
Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....
Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB
tebow has a better deep ball and is a better runner
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 17, 2012 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
He also has accuracy issues and is easily rattled. He misses throws even Alex can make.
Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....
Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB
tebow rattled?
i only said he throws a better deep ball and runs better. they both suck at short passes
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 17, 2012 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
Ok, point taken.
I would still take Alex over Tim though.
Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....
Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB
why bother making up these silly arguments?
you can get your point across just as easily by changing “we want carr!!!”
Alex better stats than Matt Ryan with significantly weaker weapons
Andy Dalton may prove me wrong but I said he was pro ready with a low ceiling. So far I haven’t seen anything to disprove what I believe, which is that he’s playing about as well as he ever will.
Tebow – Lol
Ponder – Bust who still throws balls up for grabs and is terrified when the pocket collapses
Hasselback – Too injury prone to play behind our line (which is why he refused to come here) towards the end of his career
Cassel – Lol a product of the Belicheat system who has been mediocre elsewhere
Sanchez – Lol
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Alex 2 TDs against the Giants
Matt Ryan… Um…. Did he get a first down all game?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
Well Ponder=Smith
Cassell is a product of Randy Moss on the field.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Smith is a million times better than Ponder.
Ponder will close his eyes and chuck it up. And he had a fantastic running game to protect him.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
you are so right.
because alex smith managed to throw one td and 11 int’s his rookie year and ponder had 13 td’s with 54% passing percentage!!!!
try sticking to facts please.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 17, 2012 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
Ponder's team did fine when they had Joe Webb (lol)
Leading them to victories after Ponder went and dug them 20 point deficits
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
You said throws balls up and is terrified when the pocket collapses. Thats Alex, although now he is taking a sack
Instead of a wild throw, although that took seven seasons and Ponder just finished his rookie season.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Maybe you're a Ponder fan. His team isn't bad
Alex’s has been. Joe Webb is a winner with the Vikings. Ponder is just miserable.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
No, but Im not full of myself enough to call him a bust after one year.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
I called him a bust before he ever got drafted
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
..
this sound like alex smith
Ponder – Bust who still throws balls up for grabs and is terrified when the pocket collapses
i would rather have any of those over smith
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 17, 2012 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
you'd take anyone over smith
we know
I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 17, 2012 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
Curious why you think Dalton has reached his full potential?
by cgcardzfan on Feb 17, 2012 6:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
because he sucks because he made the pro bowl because he has a awesome oline and he plays in an awesome system
lol
good luck getting a factual response.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 17, 2012 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
Because he was fully developed mentally coming out of TCU
Everybody knew he could read defenses and run an offense. There are throws that people always questioned whether he could make and his accuracy drops off substancially after about 25-30 yards. Last season for me did not convince me either of those 2 questions/doubts of him would change.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
His decision making cant get better? He is a better passer than Alex now..!!
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
You'll see.
He had 2 #1 caliber WRs making fantastic plays for all everybody wants to run their mouth like the Bengals stunk. He’ll be worse next year than this year. This probably won’t be his best year but it will be top 2-3
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Dalton is one that could prove me wrong but I doubt it
His numbers will be similar 20TDs 16 Ints throughout his career. There were throws I watched him make at TCU where it was obvious he just couldn’t make the throw necessary and they’d get picked off. Not cause it was a bad decision just because he didn’t have the gun to be top shelf
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, you followed TCU
Where do you come up with this {site decorum}?
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
Yeah I did. I lived in the South for 5 years. All there was to do on the weekends was watch college football
And hate the SEC. And the best thing to do to piss off SEC fans was name small schools from MWC or WAC that would walk all over the SEC. Utah, Boise and TCU. I watched them A LOT.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 18, 2012 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
how is your desire to have a worse QB identifying a problem with his football analysis?
I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 17, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
i am really lmao at this!!!!!!!!!
thanks, i needed a good laugh today
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 17, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
well, you did post some pretty funny comments!
I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 17, 2012 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
Top 4 picks are the only ones who are high percentage hits
by asmithisaverage on Feb 17, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
Then you don't know who DeCastro is or Konz or Kendall Wright or Quinton Coples...
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
And BTW as I said about Wright if he runs a 4.35 leapfrogging Blackmon
From Walterfootball’s latest mock
“SI’s Tony Pauline, who actually predicted the Jaguars taking Tyson Alualu 10th in 2010, says that several teams actually have Kendall Wright as their No. 1 receiver ahead of Justin Blackmon.”
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
Stand pat Baalke and trade back. Asemele, Boykins, and the unc WR can be had in round two and you can add another 4th or 5th round. The combine will say a little about possible gems at a couple positions of need.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Dwight Jones
I like the kid, but I just don’t know if he’s a legit threat. He’s big, strong, but can he get open?
We're as good as we play each week, no better, no worse.
Follow @Tre9er
Of course, this is why #1 WR term is so overrated, VD and the run game gets man to man on the outside, a big WR can make enough plays to demand safety help. Then VD and Walker and the run game can blossom. Most offensive schemes with a dominant WR (vs man to man). Are pretty much based on the threat of the big play. He can win jump balls and I think will be a great blocker.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
This
Well done. The run game goes hand in hand witht he pass game. Teams will still have to respect the Niners run game leaving WR’s with a one on one matchup. Its all up to Alex to take advantage of those match ups.
Raja Bell at the scorer's table: "We consistently do dumb s---."
But why respect our run game?
We’ve consistently proven that the only time we pound the ball at you is when you are already stopping it cold.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
I suppose anything is possible
Unless Andrew Luck goes Manning/Elway and demands a trade to SF, the Niners should stand firm at their current round 1 position.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Can you imagine the uproar that would cause?
I’d need a 50-lb bag of popcorn to watch that show!
Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....
Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB
Wouldn't want him anyways
He’s going to bust
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
Stay pat at 30 or trade down and get more picks.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Feb 17, 2012 1:27 PM PST reply actions
Draft Order and Range
Don’t see us spending a first or second round pick to trade up this year, third rounder seems to be out max.
Draft value chart (crude and outdated but still has its uses) shows a third rounder gets us up to the 24th pick.
Steelers, Broncos, Texans, Saints, Packers and Ravens are ahead of us in that order.
Steelers, Broncos, Packers and Ravens seem set at WR, at least it doesn’t seem to be a target position.
Texans are looking for another #1 and Saints will need a replacement for Colston (unless they sign him).
If the steelers pass on a WR that the 49ers want, and that the 49ers think the Texans or Saints will try to grab, then I can see us moving up.
No, Not For A WR........
Too many WR free agents out there that are proven.
Agent Dunham....Walternate testified that in his universe, AleX Smith is a pro-bowl QB for the Saints, and broke Trent Dilfer's season record of 6000 yards passing. Walter....Thats nice, more LSD please.
there seems to be a lot of talent
i have a feeling someone will fall in our laps with team needs and best overall player being a factor for the teams that pick before us. we should probably take the BPA. however, if theres an opportunity to trade up a few spots for one of the top 4 WRs and it’s worth it, i suppose…but theres a lot of receiver talent in this draft
YES, BUT....
only if it’s for an impact player at a position of need. I don’t see the need to trade up for someone that they don’t think will be ready to see significant action as a rookie. I don’t see to many options in the draft for a guy they would need… unless it’s Andrew Luck, which is 0% chance of happening.
I would rather trade down for either higher picks next year, or to maybe trade our 1st for a teams 2nd and 3rd round pick. It’s never to early to start adding depth at a few positions… again, only if the right player isn’t there for them in the 1st.
No.
From what I have read, this draft is deep in servicable NFL starters but very shallow in top end talent, with no receivers in the super-elite class. In that kind of draft, you are much better off staying put or trading down and picking your favorite of the large class of roughly equivalent receivers with second to fourth round grades.
Waiting for Giants and Niners to contend once more.
I dunno. Isn't Blackmon elite?
not that the niners have ammo to move up that high, but that dude is pretty good.
His name is Ydwin, your argument is invalid.
by microwave donut on Feb 17, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Blackmon
is supposed to be very very good, but not in the same class as Calvin or Andre Johnson, or even perhaps AJ Green because of his lack of elite speed.
As I understand it, Blackmon’s best ceiling comp is Larry Fitzgerald, who succeds with route running and amazing hands rather than speed. Larry is super elite, too, but there are tons of dudes with roughly similar physical skills just who aren’t as good. I have no idea how to tell if Blackmon is likely to reach that ceiling, too.
As you say, Blackmon is moot since there’s no way we’d trade up to the top 5 to draft him.
Waiting for Giants and Niners to contend once more.
My concern about Blackmon is he already has an NFL body
How much more can he develop? He’s not likely going to get drastically faster. He’s already built better than 90% of the NFL’s WRs. He doesn’t have much room to improve his physical skills.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
Luckily physical skills is only half of what it takes to be great, if that much...
by cgcardzfan on Feb 17, 2012 6:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Really?
So Larry/Calvin/Andre/Julio aren’t physically gifted beyond the realm of the average NFL player?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Welker, nicks, sj13, maclin, and roddy white are physically avg. point is moot.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Maclin is a #2,
Nicks is far from physically average, he’s a friggin beast
Roddy White, SJ13and Welker work
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
DJax is their number 1
don’t make me laugh.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
you are correct sir
DJax may make more highlight reels, but maclin is their #1
I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 17, 2012 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
I say trade down.
Get a few more draft picks and still get who we need.
Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....
Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB
For the record I don't really want to trade up UNLESS...
There is a guy we all feel has no business falling as far as he does AND Harbaalke believe this guy is the next [insert elite WR here]. BUT, not if it costs us next year’s first or something huge like that.
The bottom of the first is the new top of the second and it’s when everyone wants in. We can probably get another 3rd round pick or more if we drop back half dozen spots to the top of the 2nd.
We're as good as we play each week, no better, no worse.
Follow @Tre9er
This!
If you think the team is one player away from the Super Bowl, you get him in Free Agency, not the draft. Even 1st Rd picks need time to develop. Blackmon, in my opinion, is the only guy in this years draft who could make the kind of first year impact that’s worth trading up for. No way they trade that high though. Trading back gives us more opportunities to find a quality WR outside the top 5.
The next [Dermontti Dawson, Jim Otto, Chuck Bednarik]
Konz
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Why trade up for a WR?
unless they are a top 4, it is going to to take 3+ years to develop them. We’d miss our Super Bowl run and Alex won’t be the QB by then.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 17, 2012 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
oh mamma mia, mamma mia
mamma mia let me go Beelzebub has a devil set aside for me, for me, for MMMMEEEEE!!!!
*headbang
Highly doubt they will.
Baalke seems to get the guys he wants, so sure, it’s possible if there is someone they REALLY like. But my feeling is that some team will want desperately to trade up from the second round back down into the first and we end up with two 2nds and possible another mid rounder. I bet he pulls another Culliver type pick that no one will expect and everyone will criticize but this time with a WR.
Also, I’m sure Baalke will go after a WR in free agency but won’t over pay. My guess is we end up with a 2nd tier type of reciever (Manningham, Garcon, etc.) from FA and a 2nd-4th round WR in addition to another late round WR for special teams/developement.
We don't need mid-rounders right now
We need a couple more important pieces and we’re competing for super bowls for a long time. Depth is great but it’s not what we need now.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Depends on how the draft goes
If someone they really want is in striking distance, sure go ahead and move up.
The kind of trade I don’t prefer is like the one they did for Kaepernick last year though. You should move up because you see something special in THAT guy. Not because you feel the drop off after him is large. Team building vs plugging roster holes. Maybe I have a bad read on the situation, but that’s the feeling I got from that drafting at the time, and how Kaepernick was handled last year didn’t do anything to change it.
His name is Ydwin, your argument is invalid.
by microwave donut on Feb 17, 2012 3:10 PM PST reply actions
Um Why do you think they moved up for Kaep?
Because his tools are elite. His tools blow Andrew Luck’s tools out of the water. Significantly better arm, much faster, tougher, just as smart, has dealt with far more adversity in his career. He just needs to be groomed (for a while). Start him late in his career as the Niners did Steve Young and you’ll see why they drafted him. Young didn’t start till he was 30. Then he was league elite till injuries felled him 7 years later. Kaep’s career path should be that.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
They moved up to make sure they had someone they believe in behind AS
fulling expecting AS to regress.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 17, 2012 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
Alex wasn't even signed at the time.
Harbaugh gave Alex the playbook in the hours before or after Drafting Kaep April 29
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
I believe it was after drafting
Which means they drafted Kaep in case he had to start. They hoped that Alex would come back.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
Only if Stanford guard falls...
None of the wide receivers are worth the depth they would require from the draft and I like the possible we free agents. The Stanford guard is the best guard prospect in a long time.
by YouCantTakeTheSkyFromMe on Feb 17, 2012 3:25 PM PST via mobile reply actions
DeCastro is actually probably a little better prospect than Iupati
Because while his physical skills are not as great, he makes fewer technical mistakes and he came in more groomed and better coached.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
IOW Iupati's ceiling is higher. But DeCastro is more likely to reach his ultimate ceiling sooner
Iupati is still rough around the edges
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
No to trading up
Not for a WR, someone will fall to 30 and there’s great depth in this class. Plenty of good WR’s are generally available in the later rounds.
I’d either trade up for an O-Line or OLB before a WR.
Preferred draft strategy would be, in order:
1. Draft best available, regardless of position
2. Obtain extra 2nd or 3rd rounders, possibly by trading back a couple times from 30?
3. Moving up 5-10 spots (4th rounder maximum) for the Prospect Who Falls Every Year
Obviously the last one is a draft-night kind of decision, but I wouldn’t give up more than a 4th to move up.
Moving up 6 spots (swapping with Pitt)
Costs our 3rd rounder.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
But Konz might be there if he slips past the Lions
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
Stay at 30 amd draft...
Coby Fleener TE Stanford
With VD on one side of the Oline, Coby on the other side and DWalker playing an
H-Back role as well as TE/WR.
In FA, we go get Dwayne Bowe with his sure hands and uncanny ability to get open, to be the big play outside WR the 9ers need badly!!!
The 9ers do this and add these players and you now have way too many weapons for a defense to cover.
GO NINERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wouldn't trade up
for anyone especially a wide out when this year there will be many excellent free agents available. That’s where I would get young quality receiver (like a Stevie Johnson) and certainly Reggie Wayne has a lot left in him even at 33 (at least 2 more years being near the top).
If these two or similar might be available for $10-11m. Secure Wayne and a young but proven, big WR. Then draft a WR in the later rounds for development.
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