2012 NFL Free Agents: Wide Receiver Patience
by David Fucillo on Feb 17, 2012 2:07 PM PST
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PrintEarlier today, Matt Barrows put together a blog post discussing how the 49ers might approach free agency at the wide receiver position in 2012. He made a very useful comparison to the 49ers approach in the cornerback market last summer. When the lockout ended and free agency began, the 49ers appeared to start with the top name on the market in Nnamdi Asomugha. When his price got out of hand they moved down the list of cornerbacks before ending up with former Redskins CB Carlos Rogers.
This year, it will be interesting to see how the philosophy plays out with free agency back in its rightful place before the Draft. The 49ers (and the rest of the league) will be able to kick the tires on some players in free agency, and if they are not happy with what they see, they can always hope for the best in the draft.
Starting next week we'll begin looking at free agent and draft eligible players at pertinent positions for the 49ers. A single post will provide some of the top names in free agency and the draft so we can see how the options best fall out. For now, I grabbed the list of unrestricted wide receiver free agents from Barrows discussion and posted it after the jump.
After Dwayne Bowe, Vincent Jackson and Marques Colston, if Stevie Johnson, DeSean Jackson and Wes Welker all remain with their current teams, who are your next level of receivers? Does anybody strike you as the potential Carlos Rogers bargain of this group?
Unrestricted free agents
Doucet, Early - Arizona
Douglas, Harry - Atlanta
Weems, Eric - Atlanta
Johnson, Stevie - Buffalo
Parrish, Roscoe - Buffalo
Martin, Ruvell - Buffalo
Hagan, Derek - Buffalo
Naanee, Legedu - Carolina
Williams, Roy - Chicago
Simpson, Jerome - Cincinnati
Caldwell, Andre - Cincinnati
Robinson, Laurent - Dallas
Royal, Eddie - Denver
Davis, Rashied - Detroit
Stovall, Maurice - Detroit
Johnson, Bryant - Houston
Wayne, Reggie - Indianapolis
Garcon, Pierre - Indianapolis
Gonzalez, Anthony - Indianapolis
Bowe, Dwayne - KC
Urban, Jerheme - KC
Aromashodu, Devin - Minnesota
Camarillo, Greg - Minnesota
Welker, Wes - NE
Branch, Deion - NE
Slater, Matthew - NE
Meachem, Robert - NO
Roby, Courtney - NO
Colston, Marques - NO
Manningham, Mario - NYG
Thomas, Devin - NYG
Clayton, Michael - NYG
Hixon, Domenik - NYG
Burress, Plaxico - Jets
Houshmandzadeh, T.J. - Oakland
Schilens, Chaz - Oakland
Jackson, DeSean - Philadelphia
Smith, Steve - Philadelphia
Cotchery, Jerricho - Pittsburgh
Crayton, Patrick - San Diego
Jackson, Vincent - San Diego
Ginn, Ted - SF
Morgan, Joshua - SF
Lloyd, Brandon - Rams
Clayton, Mark - Rams
Spurlock, Micheal - TB
Avery, Donnie - Tennessee
Anderson, David - Washington
Stallworth, Donte - Washington
Edwards, Braylon
Moss, Randy
Owens, Terrell
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My first instinct is to say Jerome Simpson but because of his current legal troubles
They should definitely stay away from him even though I argue he has #1 skills. Another interesting name to me is Robert Machem. He won’t get the pub that the other top name receivers will get and some will write him off of because of NO offense but he could a younger WR that the team could sign and could develop into a #1
by Lok on Feb 17, 2012 2:16 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I'd love Meachem. No question.
Excluding the obvious – VJax, Bowe, Colston – the names I’d be excited to see wear Red & Gold next year:
Manningham
Meachem
Garcon
Gonzalez
Steve Smith (lack of production last year is a red flag)
Harry Douglas
Burress
Royal
Royal is a FA???
if we don’t re-sign Ginn, I want Royal
Yeah, per RotoWorld,
He’s not a big priority for Denver. He only caught 19 (!) passes in 12 games last year, but I think that’s a Tebow effect. I’d be very happy taking a chance on him. He’s 25!
Demaryious Thomas seemed to do just fine with Tebow
Royal didnt do anything with Orton either. He stinks
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 3:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe he needs a v. good QB?
While I think Alex will have a (another) breakout year next year, I see your point. Maybe not worth it, and the fact that it’s been a while since he’s been productive is troublesome.
Since we have a lot of smaller guys, wouldn't we want a "bigger guy"? Here's the problem ...
Eliminating Jackson, Colston, Bowe and Stevie Johnson (my first choice) on the basis of price …
Then, I wouldn’t touch Burress with a 49-foot pole …
6’2" — Naanee (220#), Robinson (194#), Meacham (210#) … ages 28, 26 and 27 respectively.
6’0" — Garcon (210#), Gonzalez (193#), Douglas (182#), Manningham (185#) … ages 25, 27, 27 and 26 respectively.
5’10" — Royal (185#), age 25.
Let’s be really honest. Does any one of these guys really strike you as a #1 WR for the Niners?
Damn, if Stevie doesn’t re-sign with the Bills, maybe he is the most economic choice. I’m frustrated too!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 17, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
LAURENT ROBINSON!
I think he is our Carlos Rogers, he had a GREAT breakout season. Once Miles Austin was injured he scored in almost every game and had 3 out of 10 games with multiple touchdowns!
He looked like he could easily be a number one and at 6’2 has the size the niners need. He won’t be who everyone dives for, but I think he will be the one for the right price.
Crazy but
I want Douglas, will be one of the cheaper options, can get down the field, and he played in a similar system, should open up underneath more often for Crabtree, then resign Morgan and Ginn as a returner #5 . Draft best available at 30 regardless of position.
I don't think Meachem will be as cheap as everyone thinks
Someone will look at his physical tools and think they can mold him into a #1. To me, if he was going to be great he would have shown more already. I know the Saints like to spread the ball around, but Colston and Lance Moore miss games every year and Meachem never really did anything with the opportunities.
He might be worth a gamble at a bargain basement price, but he’ll be looking to get paid. Smells like a FA bust to me.
Other than the top guys, I’d be far more inclined to look at Manningham. Though with how well he played in the SB his price may be high as well. Depends on the cost.
His name is Ydwin, your argument is invalid.
by microwave donut on Feb 17, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
Most years, I'd agree with you
But this year is an anomaly. Definitely a buyer’s market. And I think the outstanding depth of the WR class in the draft will give teams looking to sign a big name WR FA pause as well. But what the hell do I know? Currently typing this from a cubicle.
looking around the internet a lot of people are high on Meachem
Maybe they know something I don’t but the last time he impressed me was at the combine, and that’s not good.
The track record of #2 WR’s going elsewhere and being valuable is not so good.
His name is Ydwin, your argument is invalid.
by microwave donut on Feb 17, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
I think our best chances are...
Doucet
Garcon
Johnson (Stevie)
Meachem
Morgan
Robinson
"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin
by kailuakid9er on Feb 17, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
I don't really see what a lot of those guys bring
I like Stevie Johnson, but I can’t see Buffalo letting him get away.
Garcon is interesting. I really like that he was able to produce with the mess at QB that indy had in 2011.
The rest I’m like…. ehhh…. I’d rather see Kyle Williams out there than Doucet.
His name is Ydwin, your argument is invalid.
by microwave donut on Feb 17, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Stevie Johnson
and the Bills have been trading contract offers. That one doesn’t look likely to hit the market.
MD, I agree on the KW over Doucet point. NFC Championship aside, the guy was making serious strides this season. Hope that game doesn’t stunt his growth.
right, the team has bodies at WR
What they need is a real difference maker, not more middling players. Better off developing the young and cheap talent you have than add a vet #3 guy.
His name is Ydwin, your argument is invalid.
by microwave donut on Feb 17, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Wild idea...but not crazy !
(1) Trade Crabtree,possibly for a 2nd and 4th rounder
(2) Use or 1st round pick (30 spot) on TE Fleener
(3) Use the gained additional 2nd round pick on a WR
(4) Move TE Delanie Walker to WR, basically replacing Crabtree.
So we do we have with this scenario………
Round #1 – TE Fleener (Imagine him & Vernon )
Round #2 – Draft a WR with the #2 gained in the Crabtree trade.
Round #2 – BPA (using our own draft pick)
Round #3
Round#4-pick gained in Crabtree trade
Round# 4 (our own)
Round#5
Round#6
Round#7
So we lose Crabtree…but Gain A Rookie WR, Plus Moving Delanie To WR
And we end up with Rookie TE Fleener Plus Vernon.
Did our offensive firepower inmprove…..Yes Sir!
That's pretty interesting
Delanie was a WR in college, yeah?
Harbaughcalypse Now
Yes....and it makes complete sense to do it!
we would end up with Vernon, Fleener & Nate Byrum as our 3 TE’s and that equalls WOW!
we would end up with Delanie (replacing Crabtree), Josh Morgan (re-sign), Rookie WR and possibly F/A signee.
The above is Better than what we had last season on offense….pluse we gained the addtitionl 2nd and 4th rounder from moving Crabtree.
Sorry I don't like the addition by subtraction...
Just bc Delanie played WR in college doesn’t mean he can keep up w/ NFL CBs. I’d be fine with picking Fleener at 30 regardless, though. I completely agree about he and Vernon creating nightmares for opp defenses. I just don’t like the idea of trading away our best WR to shore up the position.
Yeah, I still like Crabtree at this point.
For me, continuity is still more important than big names. When a system has been in place for a while, and the QB and OL and everybody knows what’s going on, then you can getting more creative with the parts you plug in.
Harbaughcalypse Now
yeah not sure delanie could be a legit WR..
maybe for a few plays here and there but i dont think he has the speed for it…if its hard for crabs to consistently get open i’d imagine it would be even harder for delanie vs NFL cb’s…never know tho..
I think the majority of his big plays
Come when he’s mismatched on a LB and Roman/Smith know from the get-go to exploit it.
But BigMar, I like the creativity.
we should try...
using him as a halfback like belichick did with hernandez….delanie does fight hard for yardage…LOL..
Works for me
But the backfield may be a little clogged up, what with Sopoaga and J. Smith needing their reps back there too :)
on the anthony dixon run against the giants...
i was praying for us to throw to one of the big hogs..
Uhmmm...Delanie faster than Crabtree !
Delanie combine 40 = 4.53
Crabtree pro day 40 = 4.54
Morgan combine 40 = 4.46
Ginn pro day 40 = 4.28
WR is more than speed, obvi
Harbaughcalypse Now
Yeh
I remember when Delanie ran that kickoff back a couple years back.. I feel like we under utilize him. He may not be as freakish as VD but for a TE he is still very fast and we should be exploiting that instead of having him block so much
I think we over rate him quite a bit
didn’t he have no catches after week 10? He has a game or two that’s pretty good and then disappears and it’s not because they’re not playing him.
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by Andrew9erfan on Feb 18, 2012 7:04 AM PST up reply actions
He didnt play much during that span, he was often, missing in action.
He isn’t overrated, twice, to my knowledge he had gotten behind the defense for six and wasn’t thrown to. Had he gotten a TD vs the giants on the first drive of the second half, that could’ve been game over.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
thought crabtree had a broken foot...
when he was coming out and thats why nobody got to see him run?? could be wrong…but 4.54 and 4.53 are not even a step difference anyways…heck 4.43 and 4.54 are a step difference..
I think you're right
I don’t think Crabs was ever officially clocked in the 40. But it was probably a good thing for him. I think his 40 would’ve been terrible, but his cone and shuttle would’ve killed.
Misinformation
Crabtree didn’t run at Tech’s pro day or the NFL combine because of the stress fracture (Jones fracture) in his left foot.
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
projections
He was also “projected” to be a top 5 pick
by David Fucillo on Feb 18, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
projections
can be kind of pointless unless there is some context (previous 40 times, for example). You are correct in that BigMar posted incorrect information above. But has Crabtree ever run a 40 that has been posted somewhere? I’m just curious myself.
by David Fucillo on Feb 18, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Found it
http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/football/recruiting/player-Michael-Crabtree-39601
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OMG
Confirms he was born in Dallas. He’s going to the Cowboys!!!!!!
by David Fucillo on Feb 18, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Adding a te keeps the formations compressed.
A first round pick on the position that has the best depth is stupid. Just my opinion. However, Offensive lineman, olb, and even a runnin back is needed a lot more than a third te. If Fleener wasn’t from Stanford people wouldn’t even consider it.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
agreed
a backup TE can be found later in the draft. There are a lot more pressing needs.
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by Andrew9erfan on Feb 17, 2012 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree
The guy’s 6’6" and gets open. It just depends on how the draft shakes out picks 1-29, though. If he’s at the top of the Niners’ board, I would much rather have that than a reach pick for positions that aren’t deep this draft. Pass rusher is one position that it seems there’s mutual agreement that it’s a very weak class. And if Snyder re-signs, we’ve got him, Kilgore, and Person now at RG/C. If there’s a stud OL I’m down with that, but I really don’t like the idea of reaching for a need.
The ghosts of Mike Rumph, Kwame Harris, Rashaun Woods still haunt me.
Gets open in college against PAC-12 who has weak linebackers right now.
Crabtree got open in college too
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 3:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If its a weak "class" first round picks are going to be the pick of the litter.
There is another big bodied TE, that can block better and makes more sense for a third te.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Not quite sure what you're saying
But with the 30th pick, you gotta figure that those top guys will be gone by then if a team has a need, right? Making the reach that much more of a reach?
Just because a guy is the best in a year’s given class doesn’t make him a great player.
And I’m not saying draft Fleener as the 3rd TE. Obviously as a first pick you’d want to play him as often as possible, and it’d give you flexibility to put Delanie in the slot, in the backfield, wherever. Seriously splitting hairs at this point, but I don’t think it’s the end of the world to draft a strength. I think the Niners should pick the best player on their draft board when the pick is up, regardless of position.
If that’s your logic, why not trade all your picks to move up? There is depth for what this team needs. The team needs a player that can demand a double team, you don’t have to be the most polished player to do that. The threat or V Davis is not the norm.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
I still don't quite get what you're saying...
I don’t know how you inferred that I think it’s a good idea to trade all picks to move up? I definitely do not.
There’s certainly depth in this draft for what the team needs – WR is the deepest position by all accounts. I think that depth can allow the Niners to take a very good WR in rounds 2-4 or 5, but if Blackmon/Wright/Floyd/Randle are gone by 30 (which I doubt) I don’t think they should spend their first pick on a WR just to fill a need with a high pick.
Im saying, even if Fleener is there at 30, there will be other players at other positions, that make the team better.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Nice to know that 2 months out
I don’t have that kind of foresight
Its an NFL draft, its always the case, at #30 you can improve your team.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
You can?
This is just a need vs. value debate. You’re saying you’d rather the Niners grab someone who will help us at a position of need, even if their board doesn’t exactly reflect who’s left. I’m saying that I’d rather we take who Baalke et al think will be the best football player, regardless of position. (Fleener is a placeholder here – if you think I’m arguing for Fleener you’ve missed the point).
I just don;t like using a 1st rounder on another TE
i say we try and get a WR in round 1 if we don;t sign a FA and hope that he becomes our #1. I think that the niners can still win a super bowl without a huge producing WR if we have 4 real solid and reliable weapons to go along with the TE’s already on the roster.
I know smith isn’t brees, but i look at the saints and see no one that is a perennial pro bowler other than graham now. colston is good but he’s not in the same categorty aas some of the marguee guys around the nfl. ya i know the saints spread the ball so colston’s numbers might be better, but the niners could spread it similarly (maybe not as dynamically deep) too if they have 6 or 7 solid guys running routes
Overestimating the market for Crabtree?
I’d be thrilled to get a 2&4 for him, but I’d imagine that we’d be lucky to just get a single 3rd. As soon as we let it be known he’s up for trade, it would depress his value in an already saturated market for #2 or #3 receivers. Even at that, I be happy with a do-over for our Singletary pick of Crabreee with a round three draftee picked by this coaching/front office staff. Just look at how well last years draft picks have done already!
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by OffensiveInterference on Feb 17, 2012 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
Ginn Jr is a tough decision
He was a pretty great part of our STs, but I’d rather he was at most the 4th receiver on the team. Another team desperate for WRs might overpay, but if we could have him back as a back-up back-up WR and primary returner, I’d love it.
There are a LOT of quality receivers on that list! I say draft one or two BIG guys and look for a deal on the FA market with a 1 or 2 year signing. Despite Alex’s improvement, this team doesn’t seem like the place for a marquee #1 WR. I know that would be awesome, but I’m just pessimistic about THAT being the thing that takes the Niners over the top.
Harbaughcalypse Now
depends..
on if his contract would work out…i wouldn’t want to overpay for a guy that will only be doing KR/PR..
Agreed.
Depends on how much he wants. He can stay…for the right price.
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Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB
I know, I know...
But this last season showed how instrumental a great ST unit can be. And “Again and a Ginn” was undeniably a part of that. Somebody with a dearth of good returners will pay, like the 49ers did when they picked up Ginn. I don’t want to overpay either, but I don’t think he’s some easily replaceable chump. Maybe as a receiver, but not as a returner.
Harbaughcalypse Now
yeah, our first and last games really summed up how important ST was to us this year
winning with Ginn and then losing because he was out
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by Andrew9erfan on Feb 18, 2012 7:07 AM PST up reply actions
i still say plaxico burress...IF..
the price is right…he’s 35 but has had a couple of years off because we all know why…not a big contract either something along the lines of 2/3 years max….i’m tellin yall, with our offense’s love of throwing 3 times when they get inside the 10 plax would be pushing double digit TD #‘s…plus all those backshoulder fades are plax’s specialty….and don’t give me the braylon argument because plax has waaaaay better hands AND credentials than braylon..
meh
Plax is an intriguing dude, but for some reason it feels like Braylon 2.0 again. I know Plax has better hands and everything, but I don’t know. It’s have to be, like you said, at the right price.
Harbaughcalypse Now
with you here.
not into Manningham
His name is Ydwin, your argument is invalid.
by microwave donut on Feb 17, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
I meant Burress
His name is Ydwin, your argument is invalid.
by microwave donut on Feb 17, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
agree but also disagree..
agree that it absolutely HAS to be the right price and fit…but disagree on that i don’t see braylon 2.0…plus when braylon WAS in we had a much more intriguing offense…plax has always played in run first systems and has always been a chain moving #1 type..
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would be the only reason I might overlook his numbers last season but there are so many better options than him, he would be close to last on my list
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 17, 2012 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
i think our FO is going to be patient..
and see what we can get on better deals…we’re probably going to get guys like plax/ branch/ doucet/ manningham vs the big names….BUT word was out the other day that stevie johnson and bills were pretty far apart on negotiations..
i dont think indy will let him get away...
garcon would be a field stretcher right away for us but i dont see indy letting garcon, wayne and anthony gonzalez ALL getting away and i think most would say the one they’re most likely to keep is garcon..
I agree with both of you.
If I had to keep one, it’d be Garcon, no question. Luck will need some weapons, and with Wayne’s age, Garcon makes it easy.
Manningham is very overrated
He played on a team that throw the ball to its wide receivers 25+ times a game and he still produced as a two or three wide receiver behind Hakeem and arguably Cruz. I would be upset if the 49ers went after Manningham.
by YouCantTakeTheSkyFromMe on Feb 17, 2012 3:13 PM PST via mobile reply actions
well Hakeem Nicks is really good
and Manningham was dinged up this year.
Not saying he’s perfect, but when the other options in his tier are Meachem and Early Doucet, he starts looking a lot better.
His name is Ydwin, your argument is invalid.
by microwave donut on Feb 17, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
Simpson...
Reminds me a lot of T.J. Housmanzadeh from a couple years back.
by YouCantTakeTheSkyFromMe on Feb 17, 2012 3:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Jerome Simpson is going to prison.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 3:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Harry Douglas and Moss, that is all.
Still want one of the bigger younger wideouts in the draft.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Completely forgot about Mike Wallace.
He’s an RFA and the Steelers have very little cap space. Schefter and Andrew Brandt were saying just today that they expect teams to make offers to Wallace, and that Pittsburgh will have a very tough time keeping him on board. Definitely a situation to keep an eye on.
Mike Wallace > pretty much anyone else available.
yeah
Mike Wallace is the dude I want. It will likely cost the first round pick and a big front-loaded contract, but he would fit in perfectly as the #1.
Of course, that probably means that we have to let Carlos Rogers walk.
Waiting for Giants and Niners to contend once more.
FYI.....Crabtree is slowest WR on our team. Our TE's are faster!
Crabtree pro day 40 = 4.54
Walker combine 40 = 4.53
Morgan combine 40 = 4.46
Ginn pro day 40 = 4.28
Verno combine 40 =
It shows on the field too.
Guy can’t pick up YAC for sh*t, but he’s definitely a talented WR.
I remember people complaining about Morgan being slow the past couple of years
I thought he had a faster time than Crabtree but wasn’t certain
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by Andrew9erfan on Feb 17, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
Vernon ran a 4.38 and he says Walker is as fast, maybe faster.
Crabtree didn’t run at a pro day, to my knowledge.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Jerry Rice 1985 Combine = 4.65
Jerry refused to ever run it again so that know one would know how fast he really was. One bad day running a few times does not define a career.
I was hoping Crabs would be fast... But he really isn't
He’s a mid 4.5s guy
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
That has more to do with a timed pass than wr speed.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
You also have to remember
That those guys weren’t that slow. They didn’t have the benefit of precision laser timing so you had some human reaction time built in there. But since it was usually pretty consistent across the league it didn’t matter because it was in all the measuremements.
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That’s a whole lot of good WR on that list. It’s exciting just thinking of the possibilities. Off the bat I have to say Bowe, he’s like a big ass tight end and he gets physical. Jim Harbaugh will go bananas with that guy, moving him around and using him to his full potential. VJAX & DJAX , tho I like VJAX better, they come off as cocky and might just be looking for the $$$$$$$$. Indy got some good ones, NO might let meach or colston go. I’m not down with Moss but I do like the idea of T.O. , just hope he doesn’t start demanding the ball. We might pursue Plaxico again. Manningham is going to get paid because of the super bowl. I think we keep Morgan and Ginn but we should end up with 1 great WR. Who ever wants a SUPER BOWL more is gonna end up with the NINERS
by BUDDED420 on Feb 17, 2012 3:31 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Assuming they resigne Morgan; give me Pierre Garcon if they strikeout...
on Bowe,VJax & Stevie otherwise. Looks like that #30 pick will be a WR, unfortuately
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 17, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
jury's still out on manningham...
could be a very good wr still but probably not a redzone threat i dont think..
Here's a different one. Pay the 1st round tender on RFA Mike Wallace
Since the Steelers ownership wants to can everybody involved with their offense.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 3:41 PM PST via mobile reply actions
You have to ask...can Alex hit a stricking Wallace with a 60-65 yard bomb?
I think Alex has a stronger arm than we all think…but just how strong, im not quite sure.
If Kyle Williams were Mike Wallace he'd have been under that pass that Alex threw.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Right because it's the WR job to run faster not the QB to throw more accurately
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by manraj7 on Feb 17, 2012 10:29 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I don’t think Alex’s problems have to do with arm strength as much as they do with timing.
Yep ots a timing thing, the ball was placed perfectly, but the throw was rushed.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Wallace combine numbers....
height 6-0 / weight 199 lbs
40 = 4.33
bench = 14 reps
There is a receiver in this vlass that will run a 4.33.
What else is Wallace good at besides streaks?
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
not too bad at screens either
i had himon my fantasy team and watched him break a few for 15+ yard gains. all he has to do is make the first guy miss and he’s off with that speed
I think he could be more dangerous than crab with slants also
since he has the pure speed to seperate better
I dont think they have a choice to decline the first rounder.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
pondering it
Working up a post on that after completely forgetting about him for much of the offseason.
by David Fucillo on Feb 17, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I was playing devil's advocate honestly.
I think he’s going to cost near as much as Bowe and VJax and we can’t afford him. And we lose the 1st round pick. But it’s a nice thought.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt he will be at that premium, he is one dimensional.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
devil's advocate
A lot of the discussion in here involves a lot of that.
by David Fucillo on Feb 17, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
He's pretty great with screens...
Something we’ve been lacking the last few years
#17
WALLACE. this would be a very interesting move, it could make a lot of sense. you know your getting a great receiver and if they do if for the #30 pick, I think it would be well worth it. Then maybe Baalke could organize a trade that would send our 2 and 3 pick, and maybe next years 2 to move up for Coby Fleener.
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 17, 2012 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Ole Miss
between him and Patrick Willis, I think 49er fans would become very Rebel friendly
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 17, 2012 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
All that for a TE, to be a #2 or #3 TE?
That’s ridiculous
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Bar None
Don’t forget, we drafted Bar None pretty high too. So, it could happen. Depends on what the front office wants to do.
Plus Aaron Hernandez as the “#2” TE put up “#1” numbers…….
Brady is his qb and that is a pass happy pffense and he wasnt taken in tje first round either.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
I agree :)
But remember that the Pats also went to a TE-centric offense too. If we get a TE like Fleener or that guy from Clemson, we’d probably tailor the offense around using them. Harbaugh’s really good about using the personnel he has and tailoring the offense towards their strengths.
Right, and Davis had more production under Jimmy Raye.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
We need to have a QB that we can be sure can throw it to them.
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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 17, 2012 4:41 PM PST reply actions
According to Draft King....weez drafting a L.B. with our first pick.
Draft King NFC West mock draft:
Rams – OT Matt Kalil 6-7 / 295
Hawks- WR Kendall Wright 5-10 / 190
Cards – DE/OLB Melvin Ingram 6-2 / 270
49ers – DE/OLB Vinny Curry 6-4 / 265
Hawks have good enough WRs, they are at the bottom of the league in sacks and in a great spot to get a pass rusher
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
I think a OLB would be real nice
then we can let brooks go for that big contract and save some cash to use on FA
Vinny Curry especially.
I like that guy a lot, and adding another edge rusher or someone who can rotate into the DL would be great.
And if we want to start Aldon
And Vinny we have two inexperienced OLB who can rush the passer but can’t cover. Which means Willis and Bowman have to be. We won’t do that.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
I like Garcon because of where he's coming from
I think being in that system in Indy has really made him a good WR. That offense has to be one of the most complex offenses in history and I think you have to be a very smart player to be successful there. So you know that Garcon will have no problem picking up the offense quickly. He can work on chemistry and timing in training camp instead of worrying about digesting the playbook.
I still want D. Bowe and S. Johnson, however tis all a dream.
Stupid salary cap…
Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....
Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB
Stevie's looking for 7.5 per to stay in Buffalo according to something RLott posted in another thread
4 years 28 million is right about where I was talking his value lies. And the Bay is home. It’s nice to play at home… Especially for a team that might go to the SB. A half a Million per year discount nice.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
It’s like Detroit. But with better wings and worse weather.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
Fitzgerald for Bowman....
Your 1st + 2nd this year and 1st + 3rd next year. Deal?
by cgcardzfan on Feb 17, 2012 5:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions
No deal...
Only if we get to throw in Willis and Aldon Smith. Can’t believe you aren’t a GM yet.
I mean, if we have to take on Willis' contract
And that bum Smith, so be it. We can likely just cut them before the season.
by cgcardzfan on Feb 17, 2012 6:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Oh wait, were you serious? Let me laugh some more…
Fitz is AWESOME no doubt, but not worth that much.
Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....
Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB
If we were swapping those picks... I might do it
Their picks are gonna be better than ours
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that I might do.
Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....
Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Oh wait, were you serious? Let me laugh some more…
Fitz is AWESOME no doubt, but not worth that much.
Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....
Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB
Reply Fail.
Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....
Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB
Unless it's Bowe or Wallace
I’d go low-key, low-cost. Depth is needed just as much as a big name. Garcon, Manningham, Doucet and Meachem will all be good options at a decent cost.
I’d re-sign Morgan and Ginn if they’re cheap enough, bring in one of the above WR’s, and draft another in the middle rounds, either 2nd or 3rd round.
WR’s next year:
Crabtree
Garcon/Manningham/Doucet/Meachem
Morgan
2nd/3rd rounder
Ginn
Williams
If they got Bowe or Wallace, I wouldn’t draft a WR, but look for value-type deals:
Wallace/Bowe
Crabtree
Morgan
Doucet/Meachem/Manningham/Garcon
Ginn
Williams
This years 1st and 3rd and next years 1st and 5th
Move up to 10 and draft Wright.
Bring Stevie Johnson in via FA and resign Morgan
SJ13, Wright, Morgan, Ginn, Crabtree, Williams is the depth chart. I like it.
Starting Lineup left to right is SJ13, Morgan, VD, Wright. – DANNNNGEROUUSSS
Gimme 1 round!
Dear Lord, VD and Wright on the same side would have the safety 25 yards deep
Trips from that side would leave SJ13 open every play
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
would u really give up that much to get wright?
by cgcardzfan on Feb 17, 2012 7:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm becoming more convinced on him daily, it all depends on his speed. The majority of sites say 4.42 but I guarantee he's faster than that
And some sites say 4.32
I don’t think he’s 4.32… But coming out of one of those conditioning camps I think it’s in the realm of possibility that he does run a 4.36 or 4.35. The guy was always all alone. He left people in the dust. That kind of long speed that DJax and Mike Williams has. The difference is Wright can cut, run multiple routes and his total body coordination is fantastic. Doesn’t matter how flat out he is running he doesn’t drop balls.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
Damn thats crazy talk imo
Would you give up all that for deasean Jackson? Cause that’s essentially the type of receiver he is
by cgcardzfan on Feb 17, 2012 7:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
how tall is he? I think height’s an issue and that seems like a lot to give up
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 17, 2012 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
like 5 something
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by manraj7 on Feb 17, 2012 10:30 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I wouldn't for DJax cause DJax is turd.
What little I’ve heard of Kendall is far from that. Here is his athleticism on display. Watch how fast he eats up the cushion on the deflected play (1st one)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BQtQLJJTnU&feature=related
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
And besides we probably wouldn't have to move up that far... I was just throwing numbers out there
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
I like him
but I wish he were a little bigger. he looks like he could be that Steve Smith (CAR) DJax type receiver. and often, the undersized guys have a lot of fight in them. There’s a lot of talent, I could see him falling to mid 20’s
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 17, 2012 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
Not after he runs as fast as I think he's gonna run.
But yah he is only 5’10 190. Dude is not scurred to go over the middle though.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
I’m feeling the idea of letting Fleener fall to us and taking a WR in the 2nd or 3rd. We can take a corner or olb/de in the 2nd if we decide to take a WR in the 3rd. And we’re assuming that the 49ers WILL bring in a FA WR which makes this scenario very plausible
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 17, 2012 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Draft Lab Board
has Fleener as the third best receiver in the whole draft and he’s Harbaugh’s guy.
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 17, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
I have a feeling after the combine he won't even be the top rated TE.
Much less 3rd rated Receiver.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 17, 2012 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
I mean, yeah anything could happen I suppose. in fact, I would like that to happen so we could get him in a later round but I don’t think it’s going to happen. he’s one of those hyped up guys, it’s going to be hard for teams to look at him and his body of work and not think he can play
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 17, 2012 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
He's barely the third best tight end.
And none of the tight ends get close to the top 10 receivers.
Some of these draft sites are run by guys who have tenuous grasps of reality.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Only FA Wr will be Morgan. Even of they dont that Fleener in the first is homeristic nonsense.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Here is the Carlos Rogers type sleeper threat the 9ers can get at a fair price.
And he is Steve Smith. This guy was Eli Mannings fav receiver before he got hurt. He had an easy year with the eagles which helped his knee get better. Smith is a 100+ catch guy who knows how to get open. He is not the biggest guy but he is a proven big time producer who makes his qb look really good. If his knee checks out he would be a perfect fit in the WCO. We can always use another good Smith. And we wont have to break the bank to get him.
OK Mr. Defensive Coordinator, how do you cover this?
From left to right …
SE Mike Wallace (free agent from Pittsburgh)
LTE Vernon Davis
RTE Coby Fleener (draft pick #30)
Slot Michael Crabtree
F Joshua Morgan
Every time this formation is played, at LEAST two guys are going to be open … I like it!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 18, 2012 8:55 AM PST reply actions
5 receiver sets do have their weakness
You can’t run out of that formation so it’s pretty easy to bring in a dime or even quarters package and ignore the flats.
If I’m looking at that formation I’m dropping 7 or 8 and running some nasty stunts at your dumber linemen. Last coach to hold the chalk always wins.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
We cant get Wallace without giving up the first rounder.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
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Driver?
There have been rumors that Green Bay would release Driver to save money. Would you guys like to add him? IMO I would love to see him with Red &Gold.
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