You got me ... how about this for a Pre-Combine Mock Draft?
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 18, 2012 2:31 PM PST
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Just spent some time reading through fpsoft's post and then Fooch's post about free agent wide receivers. I'll admit that I've just had a couple (honestly) of gin gimlets, so you guys have got me going. Accordingly, let's see what you think about this old guy's mock draft.
As a prelude, let me just say that a couple of weeks ago I published my pre-Combine "radical get-better plan" ... the groups' reaction: face-plant!! It would seem that nobody (but me) would even consider making a play to acquire the draft rights to Andrew Luck. Clearly, as a group, we are not risk-takers; I have ALWAYS been a risk-taker and, fortunately, have benefitted significantly because of it. I still think that that strategy is at least worth a shot (kind of a "nothing ventured, nothing gained" philosophy); but, as a pragmatist, I concede that I can't sell that here.
So ... let me try once again. This time I'll offer just a conservative improvement plan ... not quite plain vanilla, but close. First, let's get a few assumptions our of the way:
Our own free agents: This mock will assume that we re-sign Brooks, Costanzo, Ginn, Goldson, Grant, Morgan, Rogers, Alex Smith, Snyder and Spillman. Maybe we don't get all, but hopefully close. I'll also assume that we DO NOT re-sign Gooden, Norris, Peelle, Rachal, Reggie Smith, Swain or Madieu Williams. Hope I got everybody ... if not, have another drink.
Other-team free agents: For this, I'm going to assume that we only sign two other-team free agents ... WR Stevie Johnson (Buffalo) as a starter and QB Josh Johnson (Tampa Bay) as a backup. Yes, I know that Stevie is trading contract offers with the Bills, but I believe that, being a SF boy, if Stevie knew that we were interested in making him our #1 WR, he might just hold off until March 13 ... preferring to return home to SF with a playoff team instead of staying in the Buffalo snow and cold (after all, the guy does have a family). What about other free agents you ask? Either too expensive or not good enough to be our #1! As for Josh Johnson, that move would depend upon how strongly Trent/Harbs and crew feel about Scott Tolzien's potential.
Team Needs: On offense -- WR, OG, RB On defense -- CB, S, OLB, DE, NT
Qualifiers: The 2012 draft is strong at the WR and CB positions, but weak, in terms of depth, at RB and OLB. Conversely, the 2103 draft will be very strong at both the RB and OLB positions. Accordingly, I will assume that we will focus on drafting Frank's ultimate replacement and a high-level OLB prospect in the first three rounds of the 2013 draft. Thus, I do not propose taking a RB at all this year and only selecting a OLB prospect in the late rounds.
Draft Strategy: Our primary need is at the WR position but, drafting at Pick #30, there is no way that we can hope to get one of the top 3-4 WR prospects who could be considered immediate starting caliber. However, we can probably draft from the next tier down just as well fifteen picks later as we can at Pick #30. Accordingly, I propose that we trade down out of the first round and gain an additional draft choice in the third round. For the sake of this mock draft I assume that we consummate a trade with Dallas, as follows: San Francisco trades it's first round pick at #30 to Dallas in exchange for Dallas' picks #45 (second round) and #82 (third round). Why would Dallas be interested in making this deal? Glad you asked. Their two biggest needs in this draft are CB and OG ... in either order, depending upon who's available. But they won't be able to get two primo prospects at #14 and #45. But, they could do so with if they had #14 and #30 ... the quality of their second selection (either a OG or a CB) would be MUCH better at Pick #30 than at Pick #45. Subsequent picks for Dallas' needs will be far less important than these two selections.
Given all those preliminaries, here is my pre-Combine mock draft for the Niners:
ROUND 2 / PICK #45 (from Dallas): WR STEPHEN HILL (Georgia Tech) 6'5" 205-210# 4.57 or better SI Grade* 71; SI Traits* 23; NFP Grade* 6.6 D
Alternatives if Hill not available: WR Rueben Randle (LSU), WR Mohamed Sanu (Rutgers), WR Juron Criner (Arizona), WR Brian Quick (Appalaachian State).
ROUND 2 / PICK #62 (own Pick): CB TRUMAINE JOHNSON (Montana) 6'2" 204# 4.52 SI Grade* 83; SI Traits* 20; NFP Grade* 6.6 C
Alternatives if Johnson not available: CB Brandon Boykin (Georgia), FS Markelle Martin (Oklahoma State).
ROUND 3 / PICK #82 (from Dallas): DE CAM JOHNSON (Virginia) 6'3" 270# 4.76 SI Grade* 82; SI Traits* 15; NFP Grade* 6.8
Alternatives if Johnson not available: S George Iloka (Boise State), CB Josh Norman (Coastal Carolina).
ROUND 3 / PICK #93: S GEORGE ILOKA (Boise State) 6'3" 220# 4.50 SI Grade* 78; SI Traits* 20; NFP Grade* 6.8
Alternative if Iloka not available: OLB Shea McClellin (Boise State).
ROUND 4 / PICK #127: OG BRANDON BROOKS (Miami OH) 6'5" 353# 5.32 SI Grade* 75; SI Traits* 18; NFP Grade* 6.8 D
Alternatives if Brooks not available: WR Joe Adams (Arkansas), NT Alameda Ta'amu (Washington), DE Kheeston Randall (Texas), NT Mike Martin (Michigan).
ROUND 5 / PICK #165: OLB BRETT ROY (Nevada) 6'3" 280# 4.88 SI Grade* NR; SI Traits* NR; NFP Grade* 6.1 D
Alternatives if Roy not available: WR Jeff Fuller (Texas A&M), WR Marvin Jones (California), NT Akiem Hicks (Regina).
ROUND 6 / PICK #199: NT AKIEM HICKS (Regina) 6'5" 324# 4.98 SI Grade* NF; Si Traits* NR; NGP Grade* 6.0 DC
Alternatives is Hicks not available: DT Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati), S Tysyn Hartman (Kansas State).
ROUND 7 / PICK #238: DE TYRONE CRAWFORD (Boise State) 6'4" 285# 4.85 SI Grade* 77; SI Traits* 18; NFP Grade* 6.3 D
* EXPLANATION OF GRADES:
SI Grade = Scouts Inc.'s overall grade for the prospect -- range = 99 - 30, highest to lowest grade considered draftable. (Meaning: top 25 prospects in the 90s, next 25 prospects in the 80s, then next 50 in the 70s, etc.) (For reference, Andrew Luck is the only prospect with a grade of 99).
SI Traits = Total of Scouts Inc.'s grade for each of eight different traits -- four for general football capabilities and four for position-specific traits -- rated from 1 (exceptional) to 5 (marginal); thus, 8 is the very best possible score and 24 would be "average" prospect. (For reference, Andrew Luck grades out as highest prospect at 12).
NFP Grade = National Football Post's (Wes Bunting) grade for the prospect -- range = 9,0 (starts in first game as a pro) to 5.0 (camp body). (Again, for reference, Andrew Luck is the only prospect given a 9.0 this year).
If we were able to acquire this group of prospects, I would consider it an extremely strong draft ... perhaps one of the best in recent times. What do you think?
Obviously we are going to learn a great deal more about all of the prospects at the Combine next week. I expect that prospect rankings will change to some extent, based upon individual performances, after the Combine. Accordingly, I will update my "conservative mock" at that time.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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Love the positions you drafted there, I would take different players but same positions.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Same
But also in different order.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
I'd go to the line much earlier
It’s going to be very difficult to find a guard for this system if we don’t. He has to be powerful enough with low enough pad level to win straight up in the trenches but also agile and quick enough to get out into space and make contact with a much faster LB or S — and most importantly not get Alex/Colin killed.
Alot of these guys we can find in the third or below aren’t good bets to be able to do that.
My personal philosophy, if I’m not dominating the line on both sides of the ball I don’t go anywhere else with my first rounder until I am.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
by Ougadas on Feb 18, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Cordy Glenn at #30, if still available?
A footnote for rlott#42 — 40 Times: At 347#, Osemele = 5.40; At 348#, Glenn = 5.28
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 18, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
This
So many people have been talking about WR as our greatest need.
Did we all completely forget the nine sacks Alex had to endure against the Ravens?
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
True
WR is not as prevalent a need as a RG. Crabtree/Morgan can dominate as a 1 or 2 if (esp. Crabs if he irons out some of his concentration issues). Late round picks also shine quite frequently there so there’s that.
But Snyder/Rachal will not cut it as anything but depth next year. Need to dominate upfront before you dominate the skill positions.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Based on the fact that they operated in a first year offense and that both looked quite solid and would've put up some nice numbers if not injured
I’m not advocating to look away from possible replacements later on in the draft (like Quick, Marvin Jones and Toon all of whom I like a lot) but I’m say that it’s much more imperative to fix our line first.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
We definitely need to draft some receivers, just a greater need at O-line right now IMO
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
This
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
If Rogers comes back, there's no reason to draft a CB
unless we think he can switch to Safety.
Rogers/Brown/Culliver is one of the better starter/starter/nickel sets in the league, Brock is pretty good for a #4, and we haven’t even gotten to see Curtis Holcomb yet.
Also, I can’t agree with waiting until the 4th round for an o-lineman.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Kyle Williams
That’s a reason to draft a cornerback with return skill as well as another WR with the same dual threat but a better receiver than Ginn.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
That doesn't make any sense.
We need a new backup punt returner, so it has to be a CB even though there’s a lot more room on the roster at WR and Safety?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
We need a new punt returner, one that’s more durable, and slash cb because he isn’t needed to play WR. The problem with Ginn was he had to do both. Let our wrs be wrs.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
More durable
…than the guy who got injured once last year, really late in the year?
And if we want to let WRs be WRs, why shouldn’t the same apply to CBs?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Ginn was injured more than once last season. I think he is injury prone.
Your returnman are usually cbs or wrs, our WR depth has been cropped due to Mr one dimensional. We need WR depth more than cb depth, we rarely use4 cbs at once.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
by rlott#42 on Feb 19, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
When else was Ginn injured last year?
I only remember the once in the playoffs.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Oh yeah, and we don't exactly use 4 WRs at once either.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
So, Id rather not continue to lack at the position becaise we use a rw roster spot on a return man.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Lacking at the WR position has nothing to do with Ginn taking up a spot.
He wasn’t even the worst WR on the roster, so I don’t see how you can argue that better WRs were being squeezed out in a numbers game for the sake of keeping Ted Ginn.
Also, in case you didn’t notice, the original post specifies that, in this scenario, the 49ers have already re-signed Ted Ginn. You are essentially arguing that the 49ers should spend a 2nd round pick on a CB they don’t need just for the privilege of cutting a freshly signed elite return specialist, based on a very minor injury history. (According to rotoworld, he has missed just five games in his five-year career. I think Patrick Willis has missed about that many games in the same number of seasons, and no one considers him injury-prone.)
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Ginn showed dramatic improvement as a receiver to be honest. He didn't drop some extraordinary number of balls
He had the 1 bad drop for an int, (We’ll just call that Crab-hands.) , and the Crabhands showed again on the last play of the Ravens game where he dropped the first down pass, but he made a few very good catches and had 1 that he should have taken 70 for a TD against the Ravens. If he were to continue to improve he could actually be a quality #2-3 caliber receiver. So then we’d have Crabs, Morgan, Williams and Ginn all competing to be a #3 on the Bengals this year.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 20, 2012 5:58 AM PST up reply actions
A couple of thoughts ...
1. You can NEVER have too many good corners … my feeling is that “pretty good” is not good enough; if you really want to get continually better, you should be replacing the weakest link every time you can.
2. Further, I don’t believe that our roster of corners is as good as you apparently do.
3. I have never been a Tarell Brown fan … he’s not the weakest link (yet), but he’s very inconsistent (which I expect in a young guy, but Brown isn’t young anymore) … we can do a lot better for a starting corner.
4. I realize that he’s from a division 1-AA school (consistently among the top teams in the division), but if you haven’t done any homework on Trumaine Johnson, you should … he will become one of the very good corners in the NFL … equivalent protential to Culiver in my opinion. Since Rogers is 31, even if he’s re-signed, he won’t be around more than another couple of years. My thought on selectiing Johnson was that he and Culiver become our starting corners in 2013/14.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 18, 2012 7:30 AM PST up reply actions
i agree that you can't have too much corner depth
Rogers is getting up there and competition only brings out the best in players….if they don’t rise to the challenge and improve then the niners know they have to go else where
None of the spots on the CB depth chart
are anywhere close to the weakest link on the team, so if the goal is to:
be replacing the weakest link every time you can
…then spending picks on CBs is counterproductive.
Then again, if you don’t recognize Brown as a quality starter, I’m not sure what to tell you.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
I think that you misunderstand ...
1. “… replacing the weakest link every time you can” means at each and every single position … be it with a draft selection or a free agent signing. Obviously, you have to prioritize … especially in the draft. If all you do is fix the one very weakest link on the roster, the entire team will never get to where it needs to be. To be brutally honest, I am NEVER completely satisfied with ANY roster … you can ALWAYS get better.
2. If you honestly believe that Tarell Brown is the very best that we can do at cornerback, then this team has no hope of ever being dominant. The guy has some talent (not great) but he is far too inconsistent to ever excel … remember, this guy is a 5-year veteran, not a second year player. I expect A LOT MORE.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 19, 2012 8:19 AM PST up reply actions
He was inconsistent in the wake of the lockout.
Not so much down the stretch and in the playoffs.
And no, Tarrell Brown obviously isn’t the “very best” we could do at cornerback…but that doesn’t mean anything. Is anyone on the current offensive line the “very best” we could do at their position? No? Then why did you almost completely ignore the offensive line, while using the same reasoning to draft another CB?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
In my mind Johnson is not just a CB
he is kind of a tweener. I figure him taking on the FS position eventually. Just my two cents.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 19, 2012 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
That would be fine.
If he’s the best FS prospect on the board, that’s an entirely different scenario from drafting him to bump good players down the CB chart.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Disagree on players but appreciate the effort and research put in
So much as to find an actual trading partner that might actually WANT to trade with us. And yes the guard prospects there would be intriguing to the Cowgirls.
GJ – I read all of it
Were I to jump into those positions and resign all the players above I’d look to acquire
- - Juron Criner/Tommy Streeter WR
- - Kevin Zeitler G or Nick Toon WR
- - Markelle Martin FS (if he slides), or if we didn’t get Zeitler, take Amini Silatolu, if we did get Zeitler, then Ryan Broyles.
- - If we selected Martin at 82 and got Zeitler take Ryan Broyles, if we have not acquired a guard by this point look for either Brandon Brooks – massive guard from Miami, Ohio or OT (and move to guard), Bobby Massie (Miss) or Brandon Mosley (Auburn)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 18, 2012 3:29 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
A few thoughts ...
1. Brooks is the guy that I drafted at Pick #127 … needs development, but in a couple of years will be dynamite; he won’t start as soon as Zeitler, who got much much better collegiate coaching, but will ultimately become a better player than Zeitler.
2. Criner … I watch a lot of Arizona football (I live in Tucson), and I have two concerns about him: (1) he is very athletic, but he isn’t nearly as big as he’s advertised to be; (2) he is very inconsistent … looks great on one play then seems to take the next three plays off.
3. Streeter … I too like him but he’s very young, hasn’t played that much collegiate football, needs to develop ALL of his skills, and therefore won’t be ready to contribute much for several years; if some team can afford to have him on their practice squad for several years he could become very good; I’m not willing to wait that long.
4. Toon … IMO will always be a “B”; pretty good, but not great; Hill will become a better pro-level WR.
5. Broyles … I like him, but who knows how well he’ll recover from his injury? I guess we’ll find out this coming week.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 18, 2012 7:51 AM PST up reply actions
I don't believe Brooks will ever be nearly the same caliber in pass protection as Zeitler
His bulk will be awesome in the run game but a huge liability in blitz pickup where he quickly has to adjust right-to-left and left-to-right.
Criner/Streeter are both very high ceiling guys. They are a gamble – That’s where Toon and Broyles come in. Both of them are guaranteed #2-#3 receivers but will likely never amount to what Criner/Streeter CAN become.
I think Hill won’t be anything special at all. Broyles injury wasn’t that bad. He walked off the field. He won’t be ready for combine but might even be ready for his pro day.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 18, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Markelle Martin is another gamble but he's more of an Earl Thomas type who can actually cover and won't make dumb mistakes looking for Woo hits
If we don’t get Zeitler and can get Amini Silatolu that’s another gamble pick. I’m not sure about him… But he COULD end up being the 2nd best guard in the draft after DeCastro.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 18, 2012 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
Broyles and Toon
Broyles is he all-time ncaa leader in receptions. He’s definatly reliable. As for toon his dad played in the NFL he’ll be a solid player. And getting either of them in the 3+ rounds is a steal for sure.
Also live in tucson (u of a student) and not too impressed with criner. I also agree on streeter and toon. I think Quick has some great potential and size. I think he will fall to us in the 3rd round as well. I am still curious to see his 40time and 3cone drill as well.
My question is, if you sign Stevie Johnson, would you still draft a wr w/ the first overall pick??
No
You still have other needs on the team, especially at the offensive line
Raja Bell at the scorer's table: "We consistently do dumb s---."
Question ... is everybody ready to give up on Trent's selection of Dan Kilgore before you've even seen him play?
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 18, 2012 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
Wait a minute
Have seen enough of him to make an evaluation of him?
Their is no sample size of what he can do to make that evaluation
Raja Bell at the scorer's table: "We consistently do dumb s---."
Not ready to give up on him
But still not ready to consider him anywhere near starting yet.
This is a guy that the coaching staff did not feel was a better backup than Chilo Rachal last year. That doesn’t instill confidence in me that he is any more than a long development flyer at this point.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
EXACTLY
The best guy will play… Well Chilo played before him. I’d love it if he and Person developed into something worthwhile. Quality backup is what I’m hoping a starting caliber player would be awesome… But I’m not holding my breath on the latter.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 18, 2012 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
The reason that I asked the question ...
Remember that Kilgore was a rookie … given that he came from a simple offensive system at App. State, was moving into a sophisticated pro offensive system, and had no REAL training camp, I doubt whether he even understood half of the playbook by the end of the season. THAT is why Rachal played rather than Kilgore.
I would never expect a fifth-round pick to excel in his rookie season … we were very lucky that Hunter played so well as a rookie, although it’s much easier for a RB than an OL early on. In the very few plays that we saw of Kilgore on offense this year, I thought that he was OK … a least he didn’t get run over.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 19, 2012 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
Fair assessment
And I hope you’re right. Just wouldn’t bet the farm on it.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 19, 2012 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
I like trading the first pick for additional picks , after all More is More ...
… as far as whom to pick , I have no clue , don’t do College , Josh Johnson C’mon bro that’s just silly …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
looks good
Trading back sounds like a good plan to me for now, as long as the first two picks stay projected where they are projected to go. I know that they won’t be able to get one of the top tiers and Stephen Hill seems like just what we need at WR (6’5"). Trumaine Johnson was getting some good hype on ESPN the other day and he seemed like a high potential type of pick, if he is still there at the end of the second he would seem like a good pick. You can never have too many good corners. After that I’m not too sure, I don’t follow college ball enough to have a valid opinion,
Yes...this is the year it does make complete sense to trade down
Picking 30 in the 1st round…any smart team would look to trade down and gain more draft picks….. and last time I checked, Balke is a smart GM, so trade down will happen.
And YES, there is a VERY GOOD chance some other NFL team will indeed seek to trade up into the bottom of the 1st round.
But Balke has to clearly put out the word to the 0ther 31 teams he is openly willing to trade his 30 spot in 1st round….some team will show up.
Precombine Mock Draft
1R: Janoris Jenkins
2R: Michael Brewster
3R: Brian Quick
4R: Kirk Cousins
5R: Cordarro Law
6R: Tramain Thomas
7R: Damarlo Belcher
Which one of these 9ers mock drafts ...do you like better?
Drafttek:
1st round – WR Juron Criner
2nd round- RB LaMichael James
SBNation:
1st round- WR Kendall Wright
2nd round-OG Kevin Zeitler
By the way....I would stop with the Crabtree comments
but it’s difficult for me since due to his under achieving, under producing, what ever you want to call it for this former labeled “BEST player in the entire draft” of which after 3 years we see he may not even have been the BEST WR in the his draft ….. so YES, i’m somewhat pissed that we may have to spend a high draft pick AGAIN on a WR simply because Crabtree has proven not to be a legit #1 WR.
Do you feel the same way about Alex Smith?
but it’s difficult for me since due to his under achieving, under producing, what ever you want to call it for this former labeled "BEST player in the entire draft" of which after 7 years we see he may not even have been the BEST QB in the his draft ….. so YES, i’m somewhat pissed that we may have to spend a high draft pick AGAIN on a QB simply because Alex Smith has proven not to be a legit #1 QB.
I hate hypocrites.
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
Are you really Crabtree posting this...you have to be
and by the way, in case you have not noticed, nobody is saying we have to AGAIN use a a high draft pick on a QB.
Because we already drafted Colin last year
And by the way, are you really Alex Smith posting this…you have to be
Hypocrite.
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
Why is this still an argument with Alex
Hes back whether you like it or not…
Raja Bell at the scorer's table: "We consistently do dumb s---."
I like Alex
I just don’t understand the Crabtree hate.
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
same reason people hate Alex
First impressions go a long way
by mcwagner on Feb 18, 2012 8:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I still think it's hypocritical when Alex gets a pass and Crab doesn't
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
the whole thing will blow over in 7 seasons anyway :D
What happened with Legos, they used to be simple. Oh come on, I know you know what I’m talking about, Legos were simple. Something happened out here while I was inside. Harry Potter Legos, Star Wars Legos, complicated kits, tiny little blocks. I mean I’m not saying its bad I just wanna know what happened.
by Joshpreet on Feb 18, 2012 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
crabtree gets the passes, he just doesn't catch em!
lol, sorry. I couldn’t help it
I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 19, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
I agree though, they shouldn't have different standards
I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 19, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Its simple really..
Alex is a good person and easy to cheer for
Crabtree is not
What happened with Legos, they used to be simple. Oh come on, I know you know what I’m talking about, Legos were simple. Something happened out here while I was inside. Harry Potter Legos, Star Wars Legos, complicated kits, tiny little blocks. I mean I’m not saying its bad I just wanna know what happened.
not saying me personally
just saying that fan opinions are swayed from public actions. I don’t doubt that crabtree is a great person and a hard worker. just saying that he has continuously rubbed many fans the wrong way since his arrival.
What happened with Legos, they used to be simple. Oh come on, I know you know what I’m talking about, Legos were simple. Something happened out here while I was inside. Harry Potter Legos, Star Wars Legos, complicated kits, tiny little blocks. I mean I’m not saying its bad I just wanna know what happened.
Scapegoat
Fans need someone to blame for things going wrong.
Crabtree’s from Dallas so he must be bad.
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
Think KW fits that term
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
He hasn't done himself any favors
I don’t hate Crabtree, he just kind of made himself an easy scapegoat
What happened with Legos, they used to be simple. Oh come on, I know you know what I’m talking about, Legos were simple. Something happened out here while I was inside. Harry Potter Legos, Star Wars Legos, complicated kits, tiny little blocks. I mean I’m not saying its bad I just wanna know what happened.
holdout, foot issues (can't hate him for it but makes some fans think he's soft), vernon altercation
“i dont know who my QB is” altercation
post giants game comments
the fact that he always wanted to play in dallas
i know none of this is really his fault but again it rubs many fans the wrong way
What happened with Legos, they used to be simple. Oh come on, I know you know what I’m talking about, Legos were simple. Something happened out here while I was inside. Harry Potter Legos, Star Wars Legos, complicated kits, tiny little blocks. I mean I’m not saying its bad I just wanna know what happened.
lol
the fact that he always wanted to play in dallas
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
had to put it in lol
What happened with Legos, they used to be simple. Oh come on, I know you know what I’m talking about, Legos were simple. Something happened out here while I was inside. Harry Potter Legos, Star Wars Legos, complicated kits, tiny little blocks. I mean I’m not saying its bad I just wanna know what happened.
You don't really think that's a fact
So you had to be joking.
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
im speaking for fans who only watch espn i guess lol
What happened with Legos, they used to be simple. Oh come on, I know you know what I’m talking about, Legos were simple. Something happened out here while I was inside. Harry Potter Legos, Star Wars Legos, complicated kits, tiny little blocks. I mean I’m not saying its bad I just wanna know what happened.
Post Giant's game comments did it for me
Everybody stuck together except him.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 18, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
everything else before that was kinda meh for me.. but the comments after that game… it’s like he never bought what harbaugh was selling like the rest of the team and thus it hurt his performance. It just made me feel like he doesnt want to play with alex and never really did… not saying its true. his comments just made me think that.
What happened with Legos, they used to be simple. Oh come on, I know you know what I’m talking about, Legos were simple. Something happened out here while I was inside. Harry Potter Legos, Star Wars Legos, complicated kits, tiny little blocks. I mean I’m not saying its bad I just wanna know what happened.
To think that requires you to ignore all the evidence to the contrary
And that’s really the frustrating part of it. Many 49er fans have a preconceived idea of who Crabtree is.
Too bad that idea is far from the truth.
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
He makes me ignore it though
Since none of this affects the decision of coaches, your frustration seems a bit over the top. Like I fear for ur health :P
It’s all just banter until he does something on the field. Even then (as seen through Alex Smith) some people still won’t like him. It happens
What happened with Legos, they used to be simple. Oh come on, I know you know what I’m talking about, Legos were simple. Something happened out here while I was inside. Harry Potter Legos, Star Wars Legos, complicated kits, tiny little blocks. I mean I’m not saying its bad I just wanna know what happened.
Thanks for your concern
But I find my sports fandom to be a healthy outlet.
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
better than drinking
wait…
What happened with Legos, they used to be simple. Oh come on, I know you know what I’m talking about, Legos were simple. Something happened out here while I was inside. Harry Potter Legos, Star Wars Legos, complicated kits, tiny little blocks. I mean I’m not saying its bad I just wanna know what happened.
C'mon
Crabs is a hard-worker and a team player
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
again
I’m just saying that fan base opinions of him WILL be swayed by off field actions and statements. I personally think he’ll get his [site decorum] together after a second year in the same offensive system and a full offseason. The “hate” against him (warranted or not) are just backlashes to his perceived “diva” actions and will not go away untill he becomes the guy he was supposed to be. Same situation as Alex but, like it or not, Alex is just more likeable
What happened with Legos, they used to be simple. Oh come on, I know you know what I’m talking about, Legos were simple. Something happened out here while I was inside. Harry Potter Legos, Star Wars Legos, complicated kits, tiny little blocks. I mean I’m not saying its bad I just wanna know what happened.
Yes, but the people who frequent Niners Nation should know better
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
NN doesnt make us the better fans... although that would be AMAZING
It’s all emotional… I mean I’m still hurting from the championship game. And now that jeremy lin finally lost a game I have nothing to help fill that hole anymore. But yeah, opinions on sports blogs are just super opinions filled with raw emotions lol
What happened with Legos, they used to be simple. Oh come on, I know you know what I’m talking about, Legos were simple. Something happened out here while I was inside. Harry Potter Legos, Star Wars Legos, complicated kits, tiny little blocks. I mean I’m not saying its bad I just wanna know what happened.
Man, and all this time I thought I was dealing with intelligent, knowledgeable 49er fans
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
Intelligent = objective
fans of teams are not objective
therefore fans of teams are not intelligent
BAM
transitive propertied
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by Joshpreet on Feb 18, 2012 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
have we agreed on a sarcasm font?
cuz i just cant figure out tone on the internet lol
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sarcasm is as confusing as opposite day....
What happened with Legos, they used to be simple. Oh come on, I know you know what I’m talking about, Legos were simple. Something happened out here while I was inside. Harry Potter Legos, Star Wars Legos, complicated kits, tiny little blocks. I mean I’m not saying its bad I just wanna know what happened.
Drafttek's draft is horrible
SBNation draft is unrealistic. Unless we are trading our 3rd and 4th to get up to 22
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 18, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
SBN obviously
But there is no chance in hell that happens
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
How about neither?
Draft Tek — pretty typical of their ratings and rankings … out to lunch. One of the most laughable is Alshon Jeffery. Most scouting services have him going somewhere between #40 and #60. Draft Tek? #5!!!! Even ahead of Matt Kalil. Clearly they have no clue. As for the “selections”, Criner is a rediculous risk for the first round … absolutely insane. James in the second round … why? We already have Hunter, who is both a better receiver and blocker than James. A RB in the second round? Maybe … but certainly not James.
SBNation — better, but unrealistic in the first round. There is absolutely no way that Kendall Wright lasts until pick #30. But beyond that, the tallest WR on our roster is 6’1". Certainly Wright is fast … but why add yet ANOTHER little guy to the mix? As for Zeitler, although possible, is highly improbable that he will still be available at pick #62 … more likely to go in the 50s. If that’s the case, which OG prospect might be available at pick #62? Probably Amini Silatolu from Midwest State, the 6th rank OG. Is that really what you want as a second round selection? I don’t. That’s why I went with Brandon Brooks in the fourth round … Brooks grades out higher than Silatolu by most scouts … then why is he ranked lower? More potential but less polish presently and longer time to develop. Ultimately, Broooks will be the better player, just not right away … most teams need help RIGHT NOW. Because of our depth, we are in a position to go with the better prospect needing further development.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 18, 2012 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
We are one of those teams
That need help “right now”. We can’t wait another 3 years for another straight ahead mauler that can’t handle blitzes to be cut.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Silatolu to my eye actually has tremendous potential
I question whether he’ll ever reach it but his tape is great.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 18, 2012 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
I'd also love a trade down so we can maybe add a 4/5th and maybe Spencer nets us a 7th
After that I’d look for
2. Zeitler/Glenn, OG
2. Quick, WR
3. Martin, FS
4. Norman, CB
4. Jones, WR
5. Acho, OLB
6. Hillman, RB
7. Ford, TE
Also as for UDFA WRs I’d like to see the team bring in Elvis Akpla.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
I agree ... the guy has talent. But, he's yet another 6'0" / 4.47 guy. How does he differentiate? Does have some amazing catches.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 18, 2012 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
He's not Joe Hastings
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Good job 1950
i really like these picks. I mean i have some alternative players in mind, who doesn’t? But overall good picks.
49ers 2012 Offseason: HELP WANTED at WR, DBs, & O-Line
Trade Down but not as far so we can get:
2. Coby Fleener-te (harbaugh loves him some tes)
2. Markelle Martin-fs (let goldson walk, not sure martin drops this far)
3. Brian Quick-wr (big red zone threat)
4. Shea McClellin-olb (great motor, well rounded, intangibles)
4. Coryell Judie-cb/kr (keep rogers but not a long term contract)
5. ?-bpa
6. Kellen Moore-qb (doesn’t hurt to have a winner)
7. ME!!-special team specialist
Sign back adam snyder but i think by 2013 Kilgore will take over the starting job. Don’t forget the coaches had great things to say about him…
Streeter is the same size as Quick but significantly faster
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 18, 2012 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
Not against streeter but he requires using niners 2nd rd pick
I think quick is better value in the 3rd. Also I think streeter is more of a ‘potential’ pick b/c his production wasnt super high. (granted every pick is in a way) Quick produced against lesser talent/competition. What made me happy is that he really stood out at the senior bowl practice against some tough corners. Good body control, hands, and was able to get of press coverage and into his routes.
not sure moorw will last till the 6th..
would absolutely love him as another project though
really cant have too many QBs lol
What happened with Legos, they used to be simple. Oh come on, I know you know what I’m talking about, Legos were simple. Something happened out here while I was inside. Harry Potter Legos, Star Wars Legos, complicated kits, tiny little blocks. I mean I’m not saying its bad I just wanna know what happened.
I LOVE Fleener ... best BIG receiver in the draft ... fast for a TE (not in VD's league, but who is?) but slow to be a WR
That being said, I predict that after this week (the Combine) Fleener will drop into the range of 28-32. So, if you want him, you MIGHT get him at pick #30.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 18, 2012 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
True
But just going off of current projections… And assuming everyone I like perfectly drops :-)
This seasons draft
Analysts talking about it being a deep draft, but last seasons draft, with the lockout a lot of underclassmen came out was WAAAY better than the upcoming draft.
The best way to go on this draft is to go BPA, but they need to shore up the O-Line if one of those BPA’s fall to the 30th pick. The team as it currently stands with the signings of our own FA’s is a title contending team.
Solidify the O-Iline, and our pass rushing, and sit back and enjoy!!!
Raja Bell at the scorer's table: "We consistently do dumb s---."
I like the Trumaine Johnson CB pick. That guy is going to be a tough corner to throw on.
I guarantee he will be a top tier CB within 2 years. Come along nicely in his first year as well playing even better toward the end of the year. I doubt we will get him but he is a rare big physical CB.
As I said ... Culliver and T. Johnson as our starting corners in two years; Brown drops down to nickle.
The obvious assumption is that Rogers, presuming that he’s signed to a 3-year deal, will be 33-34 years old by then and not a regular starter. I really like him, but he is NOT another Champ Bailey.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 18, 2012 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
That's a pretty big guarantee
For a guy who isn’t that special an athlete, isn’t that overtly physical for his size, doesn’t flip and burn that smoothly, and is still very raw in his technique.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
If 9ers dont draft another Pass Rusher to joing Aldon....
within the first 3 rounds, it would be a BIG mistake.
No team can simply relay all season long on only 1 Pass Rusher to get it done, game after game.
Aldon teamed with another young legit Pass Rusher will take our defense yet to one higher level of SCARY.
Pass Rusher are Game Changers, they change the momentum of a game….9ers need more Game Changers.
Anyone remember before we drafted Aldon what Q.B.’s did to our team?
I DO!
Almost every Q.B. we faced ended up looking like the next Joe Montana simply because as good as our defense was….we could not SACK the Q.B.
Then comes Aldon….and BINGO we can SACK Q.B’s and change the game to our favor.
Weeeez need to draft one more Aldon Smith type clone and then freak’en LOOK OUT!
If you put another DE convert, low round pass rusher next to him
We’ll have 2 guys that have never played linebacker before
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 18, 2012 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
No question about the need ... the problem is the short supply of above-average pass rushers in this draft class.
I for one am not willing to waste draft choices on “average” talent … if you can’t get above-average prospects, how the hell do you improve your roster? “Getting better” is what it’s all about!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 18, 2012 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting......
But all those guys have been resigned or signed via FA. I’d keep my spot at #30…..my draft would go like this
1.Alfonzo Dennard CB
2.Kevin Zeitler OG
3.LaMichael James RB
4.Chris Givens WR
5.Darius Fleming OLB
6.Jacquies Smith OLB
7.Rhett Ellison TE.
I liked Dennard...
Till he got beat like a rented mule by Jeffrey and looked like the worst player at the senior bowl.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 18, 2012 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
In his defense
You aren’t allowed to press at the Senior Bowl and their coach favored Cover 3 over Cover 1 which did not show off Dennard’s strengths.
That being said, if you are a guy that can only press cover then you are going to have problems at the next level because there are guys like Jeffrey that aren’t going to be stopped by a quick punch to the shoulder. And as much as we play Cover 2 / Cover 3 if you can’t work in zone you aren’t any use to us.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Thanks for the heads up.
Your knowledge of secondary play blows mine away. I can pick up technique stuff but the strategy to it is not my strength.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 18, 2012 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
This is really nice work--rec'd
I like the rationale that you give for the players you’ve mentioned, and I quite like Stephen Hill, though only with a trade-back as you suggest.
I don’t think Iloka will go that high, and I’m not wild about doubling up at the OLB/DE position, especially if we have Brooks coming back.
Also, I’ll be surprised if the Niners don’t come out of this draft without getting at least 2 CBs and a running back.
We still have Harbaugh. So there's hope.
Follow @grantmp1
2 CBs?
That’s pretty bold.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Squeeze a team for more picks if we move out of the 1st
Last year we gave Denver our 2nd (No. 45), 4th (No. 108), and 5th (No. 141) for Broncos 2nd (No. 36). I know the #30 pick isn’t a great spot, but it’s still the 1st round. The Niners should demand a team’s 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in exchange for #30. If the team gave up that much to move up 9 spots in the 2nd round, we should be able to do better for giving up our 1st round pick.
by Liquid Pantyhose on Feb 18, 2012 8:47 PM PST reply actions
Sorry, that's just not a doable trade.
The trade with Dallas that I proposed was already slightly in our favor … I felt that it would probably be sellable because Dallas badly wants both a first-round OG and a first-round CB. Here are the actual numbers for the trade:
San Francisco Pick #30 = 620 trade-value points
Dallas Picks: #45 = 450 points + #82 = 180 points = total of 630 trade-value points
Just for giggles … Dallas’ 2nd, 3rd and 4th picks = 450 + 180 + 68 = 698 trade-value points … or, a 12.5% premium.
Dallas just won’t do that deal … they don’t have to.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 18, 2012 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
They also had the pick with the last QB on the board
And everybody knew teams were looking at Kaep. A guard is not worth as much as a QB.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 19, 2012 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
Love Stephen Hill
… If he has a good combine, he could climb into late r1… so may have to keep the 30th spot to get him.
Stop falling into the trap
Im not saying you are basing this off of where Megatron, and Thomas came from, but to have 3 WR’s come from the same school that was mostly a run option run offense doesnt mean he will be the next great receiver from the school.
A receiver can be found in the mid rounds even if he runs a grreat 40 time. Just look at Jason Hill man. He was fast, but is not a number 1 option in this league
Raja Bell at the scorer's table: "We consistently do dumb s---."
Very Good Read
Then you lost me during the mock draft, not because I don’t think you did a great job, but because I have no clue who many of the prospects coming out this year are. This season has been so great, I completely ignored the college version and most draft stuff. Hopefully I can start enjoying the season more than the offseason consistently.
I’m not saying I won’t be pumped for the draft in April, or won’t be reading mock drafts until then; I simply mean the offseason activities really don’t interest me as much as they have for the past decade and that’s attributed to a great season. Loved reading this mock draft, a nice and fresh approach. REC’D
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 18, 2012 9:16 PM PST reply actions
Here's the difference ... I presume that you're working > 40 hrs/week; I'm retired ... I've got the time and I enjoy this stuff.
Between playoff-game weeks each year I build a data base of all of the key data for at least the top 150 players that I believe the Niners might be interested in in the forthcoming draft. My data base also includes the prospects’ grades and rankings … updated weekly until the draft … from all of the significant scouting services. Then I watch tape of the players that I believe are most likely to be selected, if still available.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 18, 2012 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
and you have stephen hill pegged as the best likely to be available of the 2nd+ round receivers, right?
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 18, 2012 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
At pick #45 you are NOT going to get a starting WR. So ...
I selected the guy who I felt had the fewest big current faults and the most upside potential … given Harbaugh’s system (for example, a WR’s blocking ability). Hill isn’t Megatron and won’t become him; however, he has all of the potential to become as good as (maybe even better because he’s smarter) than BeBe Thomas.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 19, 2012 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
well done
and the effort is appreciated by readers like myself (which could be an insult to other readers who have enjoyed reading this).
I really enjoyed the extra details and explanations you put into this mock, and it’s nice to see a different approach. This mock draft has the perfect balance of analysis and entertainment. Well thought out and well done good sir.
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 18, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
interesting and logical
i like stephen hill a lot, if he bulks up and becomes a product of 49er football, i think the sky is the limit for this kid.
Not sure that Frank's wheels will last that long. I think next year's draft (which will be VERY strong at RB) is the right timing.
Here’s a really, really, really early prediction for the Niners’ 2013 draft … an OLB (read pass rusher) and RB (225# and fast variety) in the first two rounds.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 18, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Montee Ball
for some odd reason, he isnt high on any boards really..he’s sort of sunk into the later rounds a bit. i think he’s going to be a monster in the nfl. all those touchdowns he had…i think he would be well worth one of those later picks.
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 18, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Monte Ball is going back for his senior year
Raja Bell at the scorer's table: "We consistently do dumb s---."
well that explains it. thanks. he might be out of reach after another productive year. especially cause I expect another one from SF
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 18, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Running Backs with as many treads on their tires arent going to have a long lasting life in the NFL
Raja Bell at the scorer's table: "We consistently do dumb s---."
Montee Ball was rated a 3rd rounder and went back
Because he played behind Konz and Zeigler and had 3 yards worth of push in front of him every time he carried the ball.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 19, 2012 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
I just don't get how people recognized that the Offensive Line carried Montee Ball and dropped him all the way to the 3rd...
But everybody ignores it when it comes to Andrew Leaf.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 19, 2012 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
Frank ain't gonna last that long
If Hunter and Dixon both develop maybe we can get Barry… But it’s possible Barry becomes very special by his 2nd or 3rd year meaning we might not get him anyway
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 19, 2012 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
Love Trumaine Johnson and Cam Johnson, but you picked them in reverse order.
Also would not complain about getting Iloka or Brandon Brooks. Overall, good draft – though, as you know, I would skip the receiver with the first pick and go more WR-heavy in the middle rounds.
2012 Draft
My guess is that we’ll see more Stanford players on the Niners, be it through the draft or undrafted free agents.
Chase Beeler is just a precursor of Stanford All-Americans that are coming out of the Stanford stable.
I’ll take another Eric Heitmann or three.
Beeler got dominated when he was at Stanford
Playing inferior PAC 10 athletes. If he wasn’t sandwiched between two very good guards he would have been a complete liability. He’s a gold star guy but he’s not NFL talent. Great for the PS but don’t let yourself be disappointed by thinking he’s a good candidate to start.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Having a smart guy on the practice squad is great
He can organize and run stuff. Just not an NFL athlete… At least for quite a while. And likely never a starter.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 19, 2012 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
My thinking exactly.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Fleener, Toon and Trumaine Johnson
I actually wouldn’t trade down if I was able to get Fleener at 30.. Either Toon, Streeter, or Broyles would be great srcond round additions..along with adding a Stevie Johnson, coach Harbs could really do some damage with that many weapons on the field at one time… I won’t go any further than the third, but a pass rusher and a safety would be the best options for the next couple of rounds…
by Last of a dying breed49 on Feb 19, 2012 8:40 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Just a few notes..more to come hopefully
(On my way out so sorry for the spuriousness of this)
1) I’ve liked the idea of trading out of the 1st for a while.
2) Like the Trumaine Johnson pick.
3) Like the long term aspect (WR Draft this year, RB/OLB draft next year)
4) Given 3 above (heavy WR Draft), I’d have to agree with Ougie and RLott that Line is important at the top. Go for WR later in the draft.
5) Respectfully disagree on the Josh Johnson pick.
Till later,
Ches
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 19, 2012 9:04 AM PST reply actions
Snowmans 2012 9ers Mock Draft ver1.0 (pre-combine)
Although “9erfansince1950” obviously put some serious thought into his mock draft,
I must take issue with doing any trades or any other transactions for that matter, with the freakin Cowboys that could potentially help them in any way to improve thier team EVER!!!!! So with all due respect to my fellow old guy here is my 9ers 2012 Mock Draft
ver 1.0 (pre-combine).
Rd1
Coby Fleener TE Stanford
He is expected to be a late first or early second round pick, so a perfect fit for our #30 pick. Coby will make an excellent complimental player to Davis in the multiple TE sets that coach Harbaugh loves! He is a big target with great hands and sneaky speed who runs excellent routes and will only make our passing game better!!
This would also allow Walker to move around like an H-back from the backfield or line up in the slot as a motion receiver for blocking on spread offense running plays.
Rd2
Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin
This big ole boy is a mauler at 6’4" 320 lbs and would be a great addition to replace the hopefully soon to depart Chilo Rachal at RG. We need his natiness and pure tenasity to bolster an already strong unit at O-line.
Rd3
George Iloka S Boise
One of the fastest Safeties coming out with good technique and a nasty streak when he gets to the ball carrier. At 6’4" 222lbs he has the size to play SS or LB even though he played FS in college. Think a bigger Ronnie Lott… yup, I said it!!!!
Rd4
Jake Bequette DE/OLB Ark
College DE who equates to a 3/4 pass rushing OLB, fast and aggressive ball hawk would be a great replacement for Brooks at OLB if he is not resigned.
Rd5
Chris Greenwood CB Alabama
Good cover corner with excellent speed and pursuit ability. Fastest CB in draft. This would allow the 9ers to let the aging Spencer go in FA.
Rd6
Lamont Bryant TE Morgan St
Tall, rangy and fast route runner to add yet more punch to the multiple TE sets that Harbaugh loves and brings to his version of the WCO. Great hands & a good blocker too.
Rd7
Taylor Hart DT Oregon
Have seen that he is projected to be a Rookie FA but it would be worthwhile to add this guy as the last pick. Big guy (6’5" 285) with a non-stop motor and a nose for the ball carrier who likes to get there with bad intent for all ballcarriers!
Hey Fooch!!!
Use my Mock too!!! I’ll follow it up after the combine with a ver1.1 on 2/29 or sooner if I see something amazing as I watch all of the combine workouts!!! GO NINERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by NorCalFaithful on Feb 19, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
No
It’s more important that we get a slow tight end that doesn’t have the size to be a good blocker and does his best work when he’s lined up as a wide receiver.
Why we couldn’t take a tall slow receiver in UDFA and be just as well off is anyone’s guess. Maybe Stanford didn’t have one this year?
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
I doubt Fleener would still be available at the 45th pick
But he could be an option at #30. Yea, I also had Fleener being drafted by Harbaugh and co. on my mock draft. I can’t see why they would not draft him. He fit perfectly in the offense the 49ers ran this year.
All I know is this, the 49ers' FO is not going after players with off-field issues
As much as I like Trumaine Johnson, Janoris Jenkins or even Cliff Harris being drafted in the later rounds, the 49ers would pass on these guys. Getting arrested for fighting with a police officer and getting arrested for possession of marijuana is a major concern in the locker room. Harbaugh was able to build trust and I don’t see how these players would fit under his coaching approach. I also read somewhere Baalke was against drafting players with character or off field issues. If the 49ers really think of trading down their first round pick for an early second and early third round picks, then we can all agree the 49ers would draft a WR, CB, OLB, OG in the first three rounds. The only exception could be if Fleener is still available and the 49ers draft him (IMO, he would be long gone by now joining Luck in Indy). Also, the safety position or even the offensive tackle position could also be addressed in the first three rounds. Anthony Davis could be moved inside or the 49ers could also be drafting their next guy at the FS position. Goldson could be franchise-tagged for only 1yr. and let go after 2013. You guys might think the Safety position could be a waste of a pick if Goldson get resigned, but you can’t expect a safety being drafted in the second or third round to start immediately. If I remember right, Goldson was drafted in the third round and didn’t start immediately. The same thing could eventually happen here. This year draft is not really strong at the S or OLB position, but the 49ers could make a reasonable pick at either position. The OLB position is also in dire need of players. The 49ers were only rotating three players this year at OLB with Haralson, Brooks and Aldon Smith. I can’t imagine if any of these three were getting injured and done for the year.
If the 49ers decide to trade down their 1st round pick for early 2nd and 3rd rounds picks, then the 49ers should draft:
2nd early round pick:
- EITHER Stephon Gilmore, CB/KR/PR from South Carolina, could possibly pair up with fellow collegiate team mate Culliver to become the 49ers’ future CB tandem. He could also carry on KR/PR duties if Ginn is out.
- OR Vinny Curry, DE/OLB from Marshall. He reminds me of Aldon Smith but the 49ers would have to find out at the combine and pro day how good he could become. Being from Marshall and playing in the USA conference, he didn’t play against top collegiate offensive lines.
- OR the best WR prospect available. I believe the 49ers would draft the best WR that fit their offensive scheme (Sanu, Hill, Randle, Criner). Streeter, McNutt, and Quick would still be available in the early 3rd round pick IMO.
Later 2nd round pick (depending on who the 49ers drafted earlier):
- EITHER Chase Minnifield, CB from Virginia.
- OR Cam Johnson, DE/OLB from Virginia
- OR Kevin Zeitler, OG from Wisconsin.
Early 3rd round (Again, depending on who the 49ers drafted in the second round):
- EITHER WR Brian Quick, Tommy Streeter, or Marvin McNutt.
- OR Bruce Irvin, DE/OLB from West Virginia.
- OR Markelle Martin, FS from Oklahoma State.
- OR CB Jayron Hosley, Josh Norman, or Jamell Fleming.
Late 3rd round:
- Same players as earlier pick but add OT Tony Bergstrom from Utah, OT Brandon Mosley from Auburn, OG Brandon Brooks from Miami (OH).
4th round to 7th round – Best player available for depth chart (3-4 DE, NT, OT, C)
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