49ers 2012 Free Agency Review: Wide Receivers
Previously, smileyman took a quick look at the quarterback position and then the running back position for our San Francisco 49ers. In those posts, the consensus seemed to reflect that the 49ers should be mostly-happy with Alex Smith as the quarterback, and that everybody is apparently totally happy with Frank Gore, Bruce Miller and Kendall Hunter for another season. Now, we'll get to a position that I'm going to guess will be quite a bit more confrontational.
It's my opinion that the 49ers' receivers were far-too inconsistent in 2011, but I'm not necessarily unhappy with the current group. At any rate, Joshua Morgan, Ted Ginn Jr. and Brett Swain are free agents this year, while Michael Crabtree is still playing out his rookie deal, which won't make him a free agent until 2015, outside of a voidable year in 2014. Kyle Williams is locked up until 2014, while Joe Hastings is a restricted free agent.
After the jump, we'll take a look at the individual players and how their seasons played out, and then ask you how you feel about the position going forward.
Michael Crabtree
He started slowly, once again, but actually put together some really solid games this season, and put up over 800 yards. Crabtree is great with the ball in his hands, but seems to disappear for long periods of time, and struggles against No. 1 corners. Going forward, he'll be a factor, but it might be worth considering him a No. 2 guy.
| Season | Team | Receiving | Rushing | Fumbles | |||||||||||
| G | GS | Rec | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | FUM | Lost | ||
| 2011 | San Francisco 49ers | 15 | 14 | 72 | 874 | 12.1 | 52T | 4 | 1 | 6 | 6.0 | 6 | 0 | -- | -- |
Joshua Morgan
Morgan looked really good through the first couple games of the season. He definitely looked like the best receiver on the team, and was very dangerous on the slant (which essentially disappeared once he was out), but he was injured when he was playing the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, playing at a time in which he should have been on the bench. I fully expect San Francisco to re-sign him and I expect him to have a prominent role in 2012.
| Season | Team | Receiving | Rushing | Fumbles | |||||||||||
| G | GS | Rec | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | FUM | Lost | ||
| 2011 | San Francisco 49ers | 5 | 5 | 15 | 220 | 14.7 | 30T | 1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
Ted Ginn Jr.
He's not much of a receiving option at this point, is he? Awhile ago, I said the 49ers group of receivers will not be considered good when Ted Ginn Jr. is in the top three rotation. On this team, he was top two, and he was essentially a liability out there. It's worth noting that his hands look much improved this time around, but he still can't run precise routes and does not get open. His true value is as a return man.
| Season | Team | Receiving | Rushing | Fumbles | |||||||||||
| G | GS | Rec | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | FUM | Lost | ||
| 2011 | San Francisco 49ers | 14 | 3 | 19 | 220 | 11.6 | 26 | 0 | 8 | 68 | 8.5 | 24 | 0 | -- | -- |
Kyle Williams
While many of you will immediately be on him for what happened in the NFC Championship Game, Williams took his first substantial playing time in his career at wide receiver and made the most of it. He was amazingly quick with the ball in his hands and ran some crisp routes. There was multiple times in which he was open deep that Alex Smith didn't pull the trigger on, too. Williams will be on the team in 2012 and he might be in-line for some significant playing time. Hopefully that time is spent on the offense.
| Season | Team | Receiving | Rushing | Fumbles | |||||||||||
| G | GS | Rec | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | FUM | Lost | ||
| 2011 | San Francisco 49ers | 13 | 1 | 20 | 241 | 12.0 | 56T | 3 | 2 | 32 | 16.0 | 25 | 0 | -- | -- |
Brett Swain
All credit to Swain, he looked like he had a deep bomb to him good in the game against the New Orleans Saints, but he was held around the middle by the defender, and it was not called. Aside from that, he is a total non-factor on offense and I don't remember him doing anything on special teams.
| Season | Team | Receiving | Rushing | Fumbles | |||||||||||
| G | GS | Rec | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | FUM | Lost | ||
| 2011 | San Francisco 49ers | 5 | 1 | 2 | 15 | 7.5 | 9 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
Joe Hastings
There are no stats for Hastings, who possesses a fantastic work ethic and attitude for the game. At this point, that's really the only thing that can be said about him, though.
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Definitely highest priority.
We have no true #1 receiver and haven’t since Terrell Owens left. I’m sick of having 0 playmakers on the outside.
Blackmon has nowhere near the potential that Jones has either.
Trading up for Blackmon is a terrible idea.
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by afrikabamboodle on Feb 2, 2012 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
Blackmon
I’d take Blackmon over Julio Jones all day everyday
by What you talking bout Willis on Feb 2, 2012 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He's a nice prospect
But I am wary whenever the top receiver prospect isn’t special from a size/speed standpoint.
by hammystyle on Feb 3, 2012 8:49 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Harbaugh doesn't trade up
If he did, Andy Dalton would be a 49er.
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
That is how Kaepernick became a niner.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
I know, but
Dalton is the real deal.
Kaep my be, we just don’t know yet. Hope he works out.
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Morgan is extremely important IMO
He’s been on the team and worked with Alex longer than any other wide receiver on the roster (though it’s worth noting Davis and Walker have been around longer). I think they understand each other better and are much more comfortable working with each other. At Camp Alex he was even quizzing Kaepernick as well on the offense. He may not be a #1 receiver in this league, but he’s a smart veteran presence that we need on the field. He’s solid enough that he’ll be open when teams are so focused on stopping Davis and Crabs, and that’s the difference to getting more first downs and keeping more drives alive.
Sign VJax or Bowe
Resign Morgan and Ginn.
Still possibly draft a WR somewhere in the first three rounds. Alex needs help outside of VD.
That would be ideal.
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by AzNiner on Feb 2, 2012 6:56 PM PST via Android app reply actions
no it didn't
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I thought 5 was "bad"
Immediately relieved that 13 other people made the same mistake
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Me too
Wanted to vote that our WR corp is crap… thought that meant 5 whoops
by What you talking bout Willis on Feb 2, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Still mad at K. Williams...might need counseling soon...
I am not sure what I think about our receivers. Crabtree had an OK year, but disappeared as previously mention. Getting Morgan back is nice, but I do not think he is a solid #1 receiver. Ginn is a nice threat at receiver, but a threat is probably all that he is. And Williams…ugh…Williams…lol. We need a big bodied physical threat. Dwayne Bowe, anyone?
Let's giggity giggity Go 49ers!!!
I voted a 2.
The reason I voted 2 was that I think getting another good to great CB is more important. If we can re-sign Rogers, get another very good CB, get Culliver up to speed, our D would be dominant. Like 2000 Ravens dominant. If that were to happen like it does in my dreams, then our receivers would (with Morgan back) would be more than serviceable for next years championship run.
I agree with folks that say Crabs is not a true #1 in this league for the reason Fooch listed above: he disappears against against good #1 corners every time. Once they take Crabtree away with one guy, they try and double VD and take him away, too, although the playoffs gave me hope that will not work in the future. Anyway, if we had a true #1 threat on the outside, VD who’s always the biggest threat on the field, then I really like the duo of Crabs/Morgan being #2/3. We’d be set.
Agree but....
I think that bringing Rogers back is paramount. That will give us the luxury of trying to find/groom another CB. The economics of it will rpevent us from paying two corners near top dollars. I’d rather see that money go to the boys up front that do damage.
I thought Brown and Cully were much better than expected this year. Brown seems like a ball hawk and I like what I see from Cully. He is not afraid to man up on some of the games best WR. Seems fearless.
by What you talking bout Willis on Feb 2, 2012 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
I think it will be a waste to add another WR by using an early draft pick on him
Unless the WR is a great WR, and I mean the level of Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald. Mostly because their play will depend on the QB at hand. Have a great QB and they will be good have an average QB and they will be average and if you have a poor QB the offense and the WRs will play poorly. But if you can get a Johnson or Fitzgerald grab any QB and it will be fine for the QB, Fitzgerald, and any other WR/TE on the team.
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by manraj7 on Feb 2, 2012 7:16 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Kind of in a catch-22
Can’t waste an early draft pick on a WR because we won’t get the production, can’t sign a top FA WR because they don’t want to see their production drop.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 3, 2012 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
Can't really stop it can we?
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If I follow your line of reasoning....
If we had Johnson we would have 23 more touchdowns but 11 more interceptions for the year.
If we had Fitzgerald we would have 3 more touchdowns and 18 more interceptions.
Like you said, grab any quarterback.
If you follow that line of thinking, you’ll never have great players (in regards to the draft.) Neither Calvin Johnson nor Larry Fitzgerald were guaranteed products on draft day.
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Megatron drafted #2 overall, Lary Fitzgerald drafted #3 overall
Not sure how much more guaranteed we are talking about. Consensus top 3 draft picks rarely fall that far and not to #30. Maybe Aaron Rodgers is an example… not to many examples out there.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 4, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
How many people drafted No 2 and No 3 overall don’t pan out? My point wasn’t that they weren’t highly-rated, my point is that there’s no such thing as a guaranteed player. Manraj implied that the 49ers should only draft a receiver if he’s guaranteed, which is silly.
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Why were the 2011 49ers receivers so bad? INJURIES!!!
Everybody forgets that the 49ers receivers were affected by injuries like no other unit on the team. Our OLBs were Ahmad Brooks, Parys Haralson, and Aldon Smith…for every game. Meanwhile, Crabtree had a foot injury, Braylon tore his meniscus, Ted Ginn had an ankle and a knee, and Joshua Morgan went down with that nasty leg injury half-way through the season. Kyle Williams was the only guy that remained healthy all year!
I do think the team needs a bigger-bodied receiver that can play on the isolated side of the formation (basically, a Braylon that’s not a bust). But the receiving corps was remarkably unlucky injury-wise relative to the other units on the team.
So far, 2011 has been Harbaugh-some!
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by grantmp on Feb 2, 2012 7:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Williams had a concussion or two
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Injury prone or not, this is a weak group of receivers and one of the weakest spots on the team. Being injury-prone is part of what makes you good or bad. Crabtree and Williams are both injury prone. Edwards is gone. Morgan is not injury prone, but might not return to form.
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I think if Crabs stays healthy he breaks 1000 yards next year
that being said, its not a guarantee and we need to sign or draft a guy with atleast #2 capability.
Crabs >1000?
So what? Really. Sorry Fantasy Man, but who gives a rip? I’ll care about Crab when he does more than wander aimless when Alex panics the pocket and starts extending, which is what, every other attempt? Or when if runs a route like if means it, or when he completes a training camp. His ethic is wide receiver head case, and I am AMAZED he is not recognized for what he is.
Apologies to all you Kyle haters, but Morgan 1, Williams 2, Crab 3 next year barring impact FA sick-up
by TheCatch81 on Feb 2, 2012 8:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
First of all Crabtree is a much better receiver than Kyle Williams. One can’t simply assume Kyle Williams would be more productive with more playing time, that is way too much to assume. The man missed last training camp with a broken leg, give him a break. Not where you are getting that he doesn’t put in efforts in his routes, and generally if a WR gets over 1000 yards its considered a pretty decent accomplishment, so that is why people “give a rip” in your words…
Hopefully
But I don’t see Crabtree being anymore than a decent #2 WR. As Fooch said he disappears. Even when he has good games they are not consistent. He will have 4 catches for 65 in the first quarter/half and then end the game with 7 for 70. Blame Smith all you want, Crabs need to work harder to get open and make plays.
I see him playing out his rookie deal and hittin the road for as much money as he can get.
by What you talking bout Willis on Feb 2, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
I did not blame Smith...not sure where you got that
and like I said its not a guaruntee and I agree that he disappears, but at the very least he’s a solid #2 which is worth something.
A sort of amazing number I found a couple of weeks ago that pertains to our receivers:
Josh Morgan was the ONLY regular receiver on this team in 2011 to end the year with a higher yards per reception average than KENDALL HUNTER.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
very small sample size
I really hope Josh breaks out next year and proves me wrong, but I think people are putting a little too much emphasis on what he did in only 5 games. However, as that was not necessarily the point of your comment…..that is still a bit of a scary stat.
I’m not so much boosting Josh in that comment as I am either 1) Marveling at Kendall Hunter, or 2) Being critical of the other receivers.
I’m not sure which yet, though.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Feb 2, 2012 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
I feel you
Morgan did seem to play pretty good last year but ppl act like he had 400 yards. He only had 220 in 5 games. He prolly would have gotten better as the season went on but it wasnt like he was posting huge numbers either.
Morgan
For conversation sake… what exactly would a breakout year for Morgan be??
60 catches 5 TD’s? I’d take that and run with it right now.
As for Hunter, they utilize him properly. He is a very quick, shifty back who is dangerous in the open field and can make people miss. Screens and flares in the flat are what he does best. They actually gave him those opportunities. God bless good coaching!!!
by What you talking bout Willis on Feb 2, 2012 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Morgan
I think an average of 4.5 receptions/game and 65yards/game would be a good breakout year for him. For a full 16 game season that would net: 72 rec. for 1040 yards.
This year he had an average of 3 rec. and 44 yards/game. An increase of 1.5 rec and 21 yards isn’t that much of a jump and I believe very doable.
WR is the number one need this off season. I don't even think it's really debatable.
Of course everything is debatable because everyone has a different opinion, but just because they have one, doesn’t make it a right one.
I can’t even look at the defense with the top 2 or even 3 picks…..doesn’t mean it won’t happen, but the defense and special teams were great this season. People bang on Williams for the 2 fumbles, but it was Ginn’s job and Williams is the back-up.
Crabs, Morgan and Williams can stay, but if after all that you only have Swain and Hastings, you need some help. I won’t list Ginn here because he is a situational weapon and not full time WR.
I would take a WR in free agency Like Bowe, but also use my 1st rounder on Alshon Jeffery or Sanu. Adding 2 big body WRs to the mix will only help the Offense score more TDs.
I would then draft LaMichael James (RB) in the 3rd round if still available. I have watched James for 3 years now ( I live in Oregon) and there is simply no other RB that is better. Maybe bigger but not better. James is a true change of pace RB and has the speed to burn it for a TD every time he has the ball. He does have true Barry Sanders type moves and agility, but even Sanders didn’t have James’ speed. If given a chance, James will be very special in the NFL……
So adding 2 Talented WR’s and James in the 3rd would help Smith and company get some more TD’s. I also think they should get a quality G in the 2nd round. The Offense needs the most help and should be the biggest focus in the early part of the draft.
Agreed
The Niners NEED a wide-out to compliment Crabtree. A big part of Jerry Rice’s success was due to John Taylor. In fact, there were a couple of years where Taylor was the better receiver and everyone knew it. Steve Young and one hospital-ball ended Taylor’s career when Young led Taylor into the safety on a slant. To be potent, you really need two stud receivers on the outside and with Morgan coming back from injury, the jury is still out on him.
More to eric’s point, we also need a running back as bad as we need another wide out. I think James is a smart pick and would be devastating in the Niners offense. He would bring the break-away speed that we haven’t seen in a decade and behind this offensive line a back like that would be money.
We need a RG before we need another RB.
Gore trailed off at the end of the year, but if our run blocking could get better, it’d make him and Hunter better.
They’re already a pretty decent duo. We definitely need a better #3 guy, however. Don’t like Dixon at all. Guess he serves the purpose of being useful on special teams though.
I just don't think Hunter can carry it
for the season if something happens to Gore. Obviously, Dixon has lost the confidence of Harbaugh and Rathman and unless Dixon re-commits he’s history. Norris is as good as gone as well, so the Niners might go for two running backs.
Yeah. I'm partial to signing Bowe and drafting another WR in the first too.
Also partial to signing Bowe and drafting an interior lineman in the first.
Probably more partial to the second option.
I agree with you both
Getting bowe and Sanu would be great pickups. Bowe is a tad heavier, while Sanu seems to be a little faster. Could have Bowe as the #1, Crab #2, Williams in the slot, and Sanu #4.
if we were to draft Sanu with a 1st round pick
he better be atleast be the #3
I like Sanu a lot.
I think he’d have a nice shot at beating out Crabtree at some point, wheither it be in training camp, preseason, or regular season.
fair enough
I’ve never seen the guy play, not even highlights. I was getting more at that I wouldn’t want them to pick a WR with a 1st rounder who wouldn’t have an impact right away
Well from what i saw on youtube
He’s a physical receiver that doesnt shy away from contact. He has good speed and hands. To me he seems like he could be a better playmaker than Crab because he’s faster and stronger looking
I agree.
Drafting a WR in the first to have him be a 4th stringer on our current roster would be a waste.
Yeh
i ended just saying 4th since crab is already a starter but Sanu def could possibly outperform him for a spot in the starting lineup. Crab actually might benefit coming out of the slot since he excels at making plays with the ball in his hand
James
isnt he basically super duper version of Kendal Hunter?
by What you talking bout Willis on Feb 2, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
1000% agree
re-sign everyone important, cut the Moran Norris, and Chilo Rachals to make room to take a GIANT leap in 2012.
.Crabtree, Bowe, Morgan, Alshon Jeffries/ Mo Sanu, K. Williams, Ted Gin and we can be explosive
The F.O. could very well
stick the middle finger up at all the draft ‘experts’ and do something differently. Baalke certainly does his homework. Personally, I’d be happy with an o-lineman, safety, RB, and then WR, somewhere in the 4th or 5th. There is also the line of thought that adding the No.1 receiving TE adds more potency to your offense rather than taking the 4th or 5th best WR that’s left at no.30.
I was thinking exactly this today
couldn’t have said it better myself
I'm highly interested to see what TE is available at #30
Move Delanie Walker over to WR on some plays is just as good as getting a WR in the draft. Keep forcing mismatches in coverage.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 3, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I think the general consensus so far is that Fleener is the only one worth a 1st rounder....
Unless some college player foregoes the NCAA tournament and declares for the NFL draft and every GM in the league gets a hard on because he “might be the next Jimmy Graham.”
by 9thevolution on Feb 3, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
#1 need - I say stock up
we need to get a good FA guy like Bowe or VJax who won’t have to acclimate to the pro game and learn a new system like a draft pick will. I’d like to add a guy who can play WR and return kicks – Eddie Royal comes to mind. Lastly, we also need to draft a WR, maybe not in the 1st round (b/c he’ll be 4th or 5th on the depth chart all year), but someone who can be an impact guy down the road. While I trust Harbaugh and Baalke to get the guys we need, recall that last year, we went the same route and signed Braylon and drafted Ronald Johnson, neither of whom panned out. If one of them had done so, we’d probably be playing Sunday.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 2, 2012 8:34 PM PST reply actions
Big $$ Free Agent WR
When is the last time that a big time (big dollar) WR actually worked out for the team that signed him?
Seems to me like we need a deep threat WR outside who is a burner. If we had a burner then Crabs can work underneath routes, put Williams in the slot (where I think he can be dynamite) and mix Morgan in off the bench. Plus then Vernon could get busy without the entire Def looking at him. Like it matters…. 85 is a BEAST!!!
I hope its not Desean… unless we get him for pennies on the dollar because no one wants to deal with his MeSean routine. Getting him on a 1 year deal where he has to prove he is not a cancer could be nice. But the Eagles are too smart to let him walk.
by What you talking bout Willis on Feb 2, 2012 10:30 PM PST reply actions
Can't remember
High priced free agents always disappoint. It’s the winners curse. The person who wins an auction is the one that overestimates the true value of the item the most.
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So was Justin Smith not overpaid, or the 49ers just lucky there?
Because I don’t think he’s disappointed.
Based on what he had previously done and what we would be asking of him...
Yes, he was overpaid. Hindsight says that that concensus was wrong and he turned out to be one of the best FA signings ever. Don’t forget he was coming off a year with 2 sacks as a 4-3 DE and had never had more than 7 sacks in a single year before that, I think.
Not overpaid
For defensive ends we got him cheap. We are only paying him a high salary now because it worked out and we heavily back-loaded his contract so we could get out of it easy if it didn’t. We gave him a 6 year 45 million contract where the last three years totaling just a shade under 20 million were easily voidable leaving us on the hook for only 1.5 million against the cap but no further money out of pocket if we cut him after three years.
So we paid him a little more for the flexibility of parting ways if it didn’t work. That’s a whole different story than inking a megadeal.
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I like this corps of receivers...
If Morgan’s back and healthy, the corps will be improved. I really wished Braylon Edwards had panned out, but oh well. Honestly, they just need a VJax or a Dwayne Bowe…and I’d be fine with just that addition.
Oops
Accidentally voted 5.
We need both a #1 and some quality depth. Bringing back Morgan and Ginn should help with depth (no more Hastings and Swain please) and then we pick up a game changing type WR in FA. Too bad Edwards didn’t work out.
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I want williams and ginn gone they both SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Draft Mohamed Sanu, David Wilson, and Gerell Robinson then the offense and return game will be set. And of resign all the other key free agents.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Feb 3, 2012 2:58 AM PST reply actions
I like Ginn
as a special teams and role / situation player. He has some elite skills. Williams by any NFL measure is a marginal back-up at best. Morgan coming back healthy is key and if he does, the Niners still need to add two more quality receivers and one of them needs to play wide-out.
Lastly, if we don’t get someone to transition the running game to we’re going to end up in the same boat next year — Only that instead of crying for a wide-out, it’s going to be about getting a running back. The lack of depth at skill positions comes back to haunt you in a 16-plus game season.
Bring Ginn and a healthy Morgan back ...
… I’m on the fence with Williams , Crabs will only get better in year Two under Harbaugh and company , Swain & Hastings ( not so much ) … can’t remember the Cat that got injuried in camp ( Bontavin ? ) wondering what his deal is … just have to wait and see which direction Baalke and company go …!!
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Solidify Guard Position #1 Priority
We have a top 2 defense. Running the ball opens the passing game. FA or Draft (Free Agency if we draft OL with the first pick they gonna call it a million dollar line) But based on the last draft, I am confident either way the coaching staff goes.
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I agree that OL is a weaker unit than receiving corps
but I still voted 1, because getting a single WR is much easier than improving the OL. OL needs practice and game time together (years) to gel. That being said, moving Davis to OG and getting a new tackle might work. Especially someone good enough to move Staley to RT.
Probably a star OT is more expensive than a WR, and I think more likely to backfire.
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Voted 2
It’s not as if we don’t have any WRs, it’s just that our talent isn’t the greatest and we seriously lack depth.
One of the main reasons we lack depth, and everyone follow closely here because this is important….. we never have more than two WRs on the field at once. When injuries started happening, the guys asked to be the “next man up” had no experience. Other teams have reserve guys who are at least getting on the field; ours ride the pine. Sure, the talent level isn’t there, but when you’re asking a guy who’s only played 10% or less of the offensive snaps in a season to step up during the NFC Championship, you have a major problem.
Solution that would be best is to re-sign Morgan and try to get Bowe or V Jax. That gives us a solid group for our #1,2,3. We can then bring in a mid round pick who has potential to step up as a #1 (size & speed type) in the future. The rest is just depth, but they really need to be getting some snaps during games so they are more comfortable; and Ginn and Williams are fine for that, but get more competition for them. I’m not big on spending top dollar on FAs, but it might be a necessity this year.
Maybe I am carzy but....
I feel we need to make Carl Nicks one of our priorities via free agency along with Alex, Goldson, Rodgers and Costanzo; he’s good enough that his presence alone will improve the line immensely (which has turned the corner and gotten a lot better). A big and physical receiver would be awesome but I don’t want the team to throw to much money at one guy via FA and have the rest of the team suffer e.g. letting Rodgers and Goldson go. Plaxico Burress might be an option (a great red zone threat) and the price wouldn’t hit the wallet too badly; he only made a little over 3 million last year.
im with ya on PLAX..
i been saying this for a while now….now i don’t know any figures in terms of dollars that plax would want on the open market BUT i remember last offseason the FO wanted to kick the tires on him also but the jets paid him a little more….i know he would be an upgrade over braylon edwards….plus the offense throws so many back-shoulder routes in the red zone and i think that’s plax’s specialty..
#1 priority, for sure.
I think we need both a big time free agent signing (V-Jax is my ideal, but Bowe and Colston would also be awesome), and to draft one in the first two rounds to develop. Re-sign Morgan. Then, at the very least, the WR corps will be respectable.
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WR is a huge priority
First off, I think the OL need is grossly overstated. Signing Carl Nicks would hurt us elsewhere. The OL will get a ton better as a whole just from another year in the same system with most of the same guys. Plus, I like Kilgore. Keep taking mid round prospects like that and we will develop our own Carl Nicks.
by hammystyle on Feb 3, 2012 8:59 AM PST via mobile reply actions
The WR's
1) Bowe, Johnson and Jackson are the to tier prototype talents. I actually think Johnson is right there talent wise and may be a relative bargain. His behavior also doesn’t strike me as a bad guy, but immature. A lot like VD was. 49ers would be a good environment for him.
2) Reggie Wayne – he’s only 33. Plenty of receivers of his caliber have stayed top level through 35-36.
3) Desean Jackson – if we can get him on the relative cheap, he’s so dynamic.
4) Manningham, Laurent Robinson, Meachem and Garçon are all very talented guys who have made minor steps forward.
Either way, the 49ers will likely invest a couple picks in the first four rounds on receivers. Improving the depth would make a huge difference.
by hammystyle on Feb 3, 2012 9:08 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yep I am with you on Stevie Johnson
He’s the right type of receiver at the right price and the 49ers culture should keep him in the right emotional state. Bowe will be overbid and Jackson is not the type of WR that fits the current QB.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 3, 2012 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
Michael Crabtree?
Coach Mike Leach recalls a highly-touted WR that he coached at Texas Tech.
“I can think of a receiver for us. He was on, I believe, one of the All-American lists. Great player for two years. When we first got him, you’d throw him the ball and it’d hit him in the face. It always sort of puzzled me that it wasn’t at least batted down before it got to his face.” – Mike Leach
While he doesn’t say that it is Michael Crabtree all indication (including how he still plays) this is who he is referring to.
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Crap, I voted five but meant one :)
We need help at WR to get our offensive to that next level of perennial contender.
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I think this team needs a #1 receiver, but it needs to be a speed guy in the mold of Steve Smith or Deshaun Jackson (but not a head case douche like Jackson is). Most of the guys we have fit more into the possesion mold. We need someone to stretch the field as the #1 with Crabs as a #2 and Morgan and Williams as the 3 and 4. Ginn would be a solid #5 receiver/return specialist.
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Crabz, Williams, and Gin are deep threats
Alex has failed 80% of the time with his deep throws. WCO+ Alex Smith’s reservations throwing beyond 15 yards is the delima
A wide receiver yes, but only for the right price and/or draft slot
No need to break the bank in free-agency as any wideout coming here won’t get the targets or the throws that they had prior. Why? Because Alex is not a gunslinger and throws to the WR’s only when it feel right to him. If Alex doesn’t think it’s there then he’ll look instead for Vernon.
Drafting a WR is a great idea so long as it is not a first-round pick. Our first rounder should go to some other need instead.
In a perfect world, here is my Niners wide receiver corps for the 2012 season ...
1. Dwayne Bowe (free agent from KC)
2. Michael Crabtree
3. Alshon Jeffery (draftee from South Carolina)
4. Joshua Morgan
5. Kyle Williams
6.. KR/PR + backup WR Ted Ginn
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 3, 2012 6:13 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
That's just your personal opinion
Crabtree is great with the ball in his hands, but seems to disappear for long periods of time, and struggles against No. 1 corners.
What receiver doesn’t struggle against No. 1 corners?
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
yes, it is opinion
It’s my opinion that the 49ers’ receivers were far-too inconsistent in 2011, but I’m not necessarily unhappy with the current group.
Much of what is said on the site is opinion.
by David Fucillo on Feb 4, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Unsubstantiated speculation
Please use the same standard for all 49er players.
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
these review posts
have had three different people involved (smileyman did first two, James did this one, I did TEs). These are just quick-hitters that open up the floor for discussion. This isn’t some rocket science breakdown at this point. It includes opinions and really will include a lot of speculation given the outside nature of the site. People can agree, people can disagree but it’s all just a matter of debate.
by David Fucillo on Feb 4, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
SHOCKING!
You coulda knocked me over with a feather :)
by David Fucillo on Feb 4, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Unsubstantiated, eh?
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If you have some substantiation, bring it.
Otherwise, you’re just regurgitating the same crap that other no-nothing beat writers are saying.
You don’t have access to the NFL game film, so you can’t possibly know if Crab is struggling against #1corners or wide open and not being thrown to.
Quit blowing smoke up our arses.
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---Jerry Rice
Every one of us has access to NFL game film. And every one of us knows arguing with you about him is pointless because you’re ridiculously biased. But you’re probably right – all of the beat writers and fans view him incorrectly while you are the superior judge of talent.
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