Drew Brees Contract Rumors: New Deal Would Free Up Saints Franchise Tag
by David Fucillo on Feb 2, 2012 2:00 PM PST
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PrintDrew Brees was on the Dan Patrick Show earlier today and he reportedly indicated that he was confident he would get a new contract done with the Saints within the next four to five weeks. If Brees and the Saints are able to get a deal done, they would not need to use their franchise tag on him, which means they could in turn use the franchise tag on either WR Marques Colston or OG Carl Nicks.
I bring this up on a 49ers blog in part because some folks have expressed interest in Colston and/or Nicks in free agency. My guess is the Saints would slap the franchise tag on Nicks, but I don't really know how they value the offensive line versus the wide receiver in their particular offense.
If Brees gets a deal done, I would imagine one of Colston or Nicks will hit the market, and it will cost a pretty penny to sign either of them. Is either worth the kind of big money contract they would require? The 49ers do need help at wide receiver, but there might be more cost-effective measures. The 49ers could have some question marks at guard as well depending on their plans with Adam Snyder. Do you try and re-sign Snyder, or shoot for the moon with Nicks?
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They've already broke the bank for one guard
Doubt they do it for a second one. Nicks is probably wanting a similar deal somewhere around or north of 8 million per year. In my opinion no guard is worth that.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Nicks is, in my opinion.
We’re in desperate need of another starting guard and Nick is one of the best (if not the best) in the league. It could do wonders for our offense, in the running and passing game.
Then I think your opinion is being influenced by media
And not by what you can see on the football field. Nicks is “the best” because he’s playing with Drew Brees. There are some damn fine guards in this league who’s names nobody knows because they are playing in a dump like Buffalo that the media only mentions when they want to crack a joke or when they play the New England Brady’s.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Uh, no.
Nicks and Evans are great guards and they are a big part of why Brees is so successful. They help make all of the Saints backs look good in the run game. They make guys like Goodwin (when he was on the team) and Bushrod seem better than they actually are.
I'm not saying they aren't good
Just not good enough to pay them like tackles. You pay a tackle that much money because they are almost always out on an island against the other team’s best pass rusher.
Guards aren’t.
And again, they get the benefit of Brees and that offense, not the other way around. Our guards would look a whole lot better if they were facing constant Nickel and Dime defense with a quarterback who releases the ball that quickly.
If someone outbids the Saints for his services they are going to be disappointed by what they get for their money. It will be a good player, but not an elite player worth that amount of money.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
A dynamic guard like Nicks would make the tackle on his side of the ball look better and Goodwin better. It’d help out our run game and pass protection just by virtue of taking out a really bad G and putting in one that doesn’t completely suck. Maybe having him next to Anthony Davis would make Davis not completely suck.
Interior linemen aren’t as “important” as tackles, but what they do in the NFL is extremely undervalued and underrated. Interior line play is one of the reasons we aren’t in the Super Bowl right now, among other things, and was one of our biggest recurring weaknesses throughout the season.
We're not disagreeing that much
I agree what a smart and powerful guard would do on the field for us.
What I don’t agree on is that this skillset is so limited and rare that it is worth 8 million per year. Interior line play is undervalued I agree. Right guard was an achilles heel for us all year, I agree. But just because we have two guys who suck doesn’t mean that it is down to paying Nicks more per year than the rest of our linemen combined or nothing.
There are other options that have less hype and while they aren’t as dominant as Nicks they will likely cost less than a third of what he’ll demand.
That is value, and that is how you build a perennial contender in this league — not by panicking over every problem area and running out with a checkbook each off-season trying to fill it.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Also, I’ve seen a lot of players in the media talking up the niners and how they are young and should be a force for years to come. While I believe this is true, you also don’t know what will happen over the course of a year or two. I think the niners defense is so good right now they need to do something to catch the offense up. I say the time to win is now. I hope we are saying that for the next 10 years, but you never know so why not shoot for the stars right now.
If we sign a FA WR from the Saints...
…I think it’ll be Meachem not Colston. Mid-level FA with possible #1 WR skills, but not the #1 WR volume of production because of how the Saints distributed the ball.
Just going off of how Baalke approached Free Agency last year. It may have been a unique situation due to the strike, but I wouldn’t be suprised if they stuck with that approach.
Agree
I don’t see the FO breaking the bank on any FA as they don’t want to hamstring themselves in singing our own free agents. Good organizations don’t make huge signings ie patriots, ravens, packers and stealers can anyone name a big money free agent any off these teams signed? These teams are always in contention. If you look at Washington and philadelphia big spenders but no playoffs, I say stay the course draft well reward our own players but don’t break the bank and pick up some vets as needed as someone always seems to fall through the cracks like Rogers did last year.
by IHavIssues on Feb 3, 2012 3:13 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
That's the model that works
It worked for the Niners back in the Glory Years, it works for patriots, ravens, packers and steelers, and it appears to be working for the Niners now.
agree 2
I don’t see them changing the approach that worked for them last year….unless they feel that they are that one player away…which they aren’t.
by Chi-town Niners on Feb 3, 2012 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
OT Kinda
According to ESPN, Peyton Manning has been medically cleared to play.
The game’s afoot.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Manning
He’s been medically cleared, but the nerves in his arm are still an issue in affecting his arm strength.
by David Fucillo on Feb 2, 2012 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
an issue
which can be improved upon with an aggressive rehab, which Manning is apparently participating in.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
strength loss due to nerve damage
Does not normalize with rehab if nerve function remains abnormal. Ie can be permanent. 3 surgeries argues strongly against a gamble on Peyton.
-sportsmed surgeon (me)
by TheCatch81 on Feb 2, 2012 11:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Just Say No To Manning
Too old too fragile and too expensive as the money needed would cripple the team as you saw what happened with the colts once he went down.
by IHavIssues on Feb 3, 2012 3:16 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
oh snap!
A sportsmed surgeon! It’s good to see someone who knows what they are talking about in here when it comes to neck and spinal(nerve) injuries.
It’s funny seeing some people post up thinking along the lines of: “Peyton is a high class athlete and he can get over this injury and be 100%, I read a blog that said so.”
I had a Posterior Cervical Foraminotomy done on 3 of my vertebraes a few years back. There is no way Manning is going to be 100% or near it less than a year after his surgery.
yes
is there any doubt, still, that Manning will have to go through extensive throwing workouts for teams that are interested in acquiring him? Teams want to see him make throws he will have to make on Sundays.
fitzgerald wants him
Hes gonna have dinner with Manning and try to court him to Arizona…
by sundaysfinest on Feb 2, 2012 3:47 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
but but but
Kevin Kolb!
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Irsay
Intresting to read that Irsay is saying that Manning is NOT cleared by Colts doctors. I think the split is inevitable.
by Chi-town Niners on Feb 3, 2012 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
being medically cleared to play
and being back to half of the QB he used to be are two very different things.
Manning
The sources said Watkins examined Manning recently in Los Angeles and concluded the stability in his neck would have allowed the quarterback to play this Sunday if the nerves in his arm had regenerated to a satisfactory performance level.
Let the defense of keeping Smith over a HOF begin…
Smith threw what, 5 INTs all year long.
Smith got us to the NFC Championship game and will be better next year after an offseason with Harbaugh.
Smith has a far less likelihood of getting paralyzed after the first sack he takes in the 2012 season.
Smith doesn’t still have nerves in his arm that need to heal and might not.
Smith won’t cost $20 million a year.
no need to defend smith
You made my point for me in your post. Manning’s surgery would have allowed him to play but his nerves did not regenerate. What makes you think they will regenerate or that his condition won’t degenerate behind our stellar o-line( being sarcastic if u can’t tell). The answer is we can’t afford to put our eggs in the Manning basket as its handles are worn out and the bottom is being held together by used scotch tape.
by IHavIssues on Feb 3, 2012 3:23 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Nerve regeneration...
I wonder how long that takes…
My doc told me that nerves are the slowest regenerating cells in the human body, it takes an average of 2 years minimum for that to happen.
I don’t care what kind of athlete you are, there isn’t a special kind of “push-up or sit-up” to help make nerve regeneration happen faster that I’m aware of.
by pt33 on Feb 3, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
All it really means is , he may be able to live a normal life and that makes me happy ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
All it really means is , he may be able to live a normal life and that makes me happy ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
I'm not sure the 49ers need to drop big money on either of these players
They really don’t need an anchor on the offensive line just another competent starting guard.
I don’t think they need a star receiver (which hardly comes via free agency), they really need more good receivers.
Totally agree with the guard part
Being competent and also able to play center would be good. I think they’re going to really try and keep Adam Snyder.
"It's impossible to hide the fire inside" - Bob Seger
Here Here!! bignerd
Completely agree. Don’t understand why some fans can’t get that through their heads. Why do people feel that we need to spend a ton of money on a couple of players? Do they realize just how many players we need to resign? Thus isn’t the NBA where you can be dominate after signing two big time players football is a team game there are 53 men on the roster 46 active on game day we need depth not big names.
by IHavIssues on Feb 3, 2012 3:29 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
sign Nicks if possible
I’ll take the wait and see approach on Peyton…
if we could sign Nicks, that would be nice; reunite him with Goodwin and they’ll be a tandem to recon with…IMO anyway
Please get Peyton somehow. Please.
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 2, 2012 6:38 PM PST reply actions
Harbaugh and Peyton wouldn't get along.
I don’t see how more fans realise this. They both have huge egos and would clash vying for what they want to do on the offensive side of the ball.
their egos are hardly reasons to nix the idea of bringing him in
this just in: most HOF QBs have egos. To assume they will clash to the point of being detrimental to the team is out there IMO
Why
does everyone say this? Can’t Manning throw screen passes and post patterns?
by Chi-town Niners on Feb 3, 2012 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
how about...
waiting to see if the nerves in his arm will sufficiently heal?
by David Fucillo on Feb 2, 2012 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
so we should employ due diligence now?
Why? Manning is the great saviour of the Niners, leading us back to the promised land. Who cares about his nerves, just sign him already and pay the man! The foolishness of people arguing for peyton knows no bounds….
I think most
people acknowledge all of this speculation is contingent on Manning’s health checking out and his public workouts going well.
This all revolves around the organization's feelings on Kaepernick
27 yr old Alex Smith is still potentially a long term option, and I doubt Kaepernick will be here in 5 yrs. Getting a healthy Manning could maximize the championship window
while creating a more natural transition to Kaep/the next guy.
Bringing back Alex is the more sound move, but HOFers with massive chips on their shoulders don’t enter the market often. Certainly worth a long look.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Or Not
It could cripple this teams development. Too many FAs on our own team to gamble on a QB that had 3 neck surgeries last year.
by IHavIssues on Feb 3, 2012 3:33 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
sense
It could cripple this teams development
I see this statement so often in so many different scenarios even though it means absolutely nothing…it’s not only untrue, but it really has no literal meaning unless you can articulate why this is so. How does a new QB “cripple the TEAM’S development”.
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