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NFL Free Agency Dominos: Stanford Routt & Brandon Lloyd Impact

After a couple weeks of relative quite in the NFL, news is picking back up this week as teams are now allowed to utilize the franchise tag. Most teams will not apply the tag right away because they are potentially trying to work out long term deals with certain players. However, news is leaking out about certain moves that might happen. Such moves not only impact the team that is making the move, but also has a domino effect on other teams with specific interests.

The big news today is the Kansas City Chiefs signing of former Oakland Raiders cornerback Stanford Routt. The Chiefs reportedly signed Routt to a three year deal worth $19.6 million. They likely will in turn let Brandon Carr hit free agency and look for a big deal. They could elect to re-sign Carr, but after giving Routt somewhat silly money, it would be a little surprising for them to then open the checkbook for Carr.

Do the 49ers then consider Brandon Carr if the price is right? He will turn 26 this offseason and has shown some skills. However, given his age, I wouldn't be surprised to see bidding get a little bit out of hand. Although Carlos Rogers is interested in returning to San Francisco, he also wants a longer deal. Do the 49ers roll the dice on a younger Carr with a couple extra years?

The other area where this gets interesting is in their potential use of the franchise tag. There were some thoughts they might use it on Carr, but if they let Carr walk, they could then use the tag on wide receiver Dwayne Bowe. I don't know how realistic it is to think the 49ers back up the Brink's Truck for Bowe, but a franchise tag removes that from the discussion almost entirely.

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The other move that is simply rumor at this point is that the Rams are unlikely to franchise Brandon Lloyd. I don't know how realistic it was that they would tag him, but it is still noteworthy that sources are indicating they specifically will not use it. This is of note in part because it means one more wide receiver hits the market. Lloyd is a fairly flashy wide receiver and if I'm the 49ers, getting him added into the market mix could open the door for another receiver to come in under the radar.

Who that mystery receiver would be remains to be seen. However, the more wide receivers that flood the market, the better to potentially snag a sleeper in the mix, much like Carlos Rogers at cornerback last year. The 49ers have money to spend, but if they can find a low profile sleeper, all the better.

Although much of the next week will be filled with rumors and "sources indicate" reporting, we'll keep an eye out for such leaks. The 49ers likely will take some time to sort through their free agents. They have a couple weeks to get this sorted out, so there is really no rush for now. Matt Maiocco indicated the team has some talks planned for this week, so we'll see if any deals get figured out.

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I remember all the hype for Routt. This was supposed to be his “breakout year” because he was the #1 corner after Nnamdi left. He was supposed to be a great CB, which is why Oakland signed him to that big deal.

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by doubleteapot on Feb 20, 2012 1:31 PM PST reply actions  

I see

that Stevie Johnson and Bills are far apart on a deal right now. It would awesome if we could steal him away from the bills

by blue42red30 on Feb 20, 2012 3:12 PM PST reply actions  

That just means he wants a lot more money than the Bills are willing to offer.

He’s looking for that big contract and the 49ers should not be in any sort of bidding war.

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by afrikabamboodle on Feb 20, 2012 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Because...

We don’t want to have to pay their (former) Bills!

"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that."
--Jerry Rice

by Pat Willie on Feb 20, 2012 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

The Bills are offering insultingly litter to stay and play in their dump town.

Buffalo sucks and you have to overpay to keep anybody there. It’s like Detroit and Cleveland. Another Mistake on the Lake. They offered him 5.5 a year. Bowe and VJax are going to be asking 10. Do you really believe by those numbers that is a reasonable contract? Stevie apparently wanted 7.5 according to something posted earlier. I’d pay him 7M per for 4 to come back to the Bay

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 20, 2012 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

link?

Who said they offered Johnson $5.5M a year?

by David Fucillo on Feb 20, 2012 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

That's insanity

There is something in the water in Buffalo.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Feb 21, 2012 6:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Here's an article from a guy that writes about salary related issues for Jets fans

He says Stevie is worth between 8.45 and 8.6 million per by comparing his stats to Santonio, Miles Austin, Greg Jennings, Roddy White, Reggie Wayne and Lee Evans

http://www.nyjetscap.com/2012_Articles/steviejohnsonvalue.php

5.5 is just insulting for the work he’s done there in comparison to his peers. At least make an offer. 6.75 is still low ball but at least it’s not ridiculous.

Maybe we can get him for 7.0 – 7.5.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 21, 2012 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Pack: see your Finley, raise you one Fleener

All-World TE Finley is 6’5 247 – and a DC’s nightmare. Stanford Card Fleener, a tad faster clone TE, is 6’6,245 and would be our nightmare for opponents. Hook up Joshua, maybe get a burner WR that can return kicks in the 3rd – and we’ll be good to go.

by ninernutt on Feb 20, 2012 3:13 PM PST reply actions  

No.

And Finley ran a 4.66 at his pro day. Fleener is gonna run like a 4.7

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 20, 2012 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

He isn’t a good blocker and I doubt he’s gonna beat, lbs and safeties like the two TEs we have, site decorum drafting Fleener.

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 20, 2012 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't see how we afford a top WR at all.

These are the Niner FA players currently:
QB Alex Smith
FB Moran Norris
WR Joshua Morgan
WR Ted Ginn Jr.
WR Brett Swain (RFA)
TE Justin Peelle
RG Adam Snyder
OG Chilo Rachal
DE Will Tukuafu (EFA)
OLB Ahmad Brooks
ILB Blake Costanzo
ILB Larry Grant (RFA)
ILB Tavares Gooden
CB Tramaine Brock (EFA)
CB Carlos Rogers
FS Dashon Goldson
FS Madieu Williams
FS Reggie Smith
SS C.J. Spillman (RFA)

Players we have to have back:
Dashon Goldson
Carlos Rodgers
Ahmad Brooks
Blake Constanzo
Adam Snyder
Ted Ginn Jr

Players we should get back for depth:
Josh Morgan
Larry Grant
Reggie Smith
*Alex Smith

Players who we should never let into the facility again:
Chilo Rachal

*Say what you will about the relative “averageness” of Alex, but he’s coming back most likely and it makes sense. You’re going to have to pay someone to start at QB (because this team led by Kaepernick is going to go through a ton of growing pains).

All of this adds up to 10 players and $38 million in cap space. I’m not a cap-ologist but it seems highly unlikely that the Niners can structure new contracts for all 10 of these players and still have room to bring in Robert Meachem, let alone Vincent Jackson. It could happen but I think it puts the organization in a “mortgage the future,” position in a couple of seasons.

I’d rather roll the dice in draft and know that our defense is going to be kept together for a while.

by throwthedamnball on Feb 20, 2012 3:47 PM PST reply actions  

Baaa Hahahahaha !!! cough cough Bwahaha ha ha ha !!!! I need air! HAHAHAHA!!!
Players who we should never let into the facility again:
Chilo Rachal

I couldn’t have said it better.

Not sure why you wouldn’t have Alex Smith on the players we have to have back list, unless you think we could trade for a quarterback? I wouldn’t mind if you could explain that. Also i think Morgan is more than “depth”, before he was injured he was our most productive reciever.

No hating your opinion, just seems like you are on top of most the other points.

I’m not sure we need Reggie Smith for depth either…

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by Pat Willie on Feb 20, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we should get Alex back

from a continuity stand point and based on his performance this past season. He deserves to be back, but from a “need,” standpoint. I think we could find someone in FA/draft to replace him and be at least comparable to his numbers. I’m basically putting Alex on the second list in case someone like Manning is available (because it would be stupid to pass on a healthy HOF). We could get a Josh Johnson in here but there’s no guarantee he’ll be able to run a low-turnover, ball control offense like Alex did under Roman and Harbaugh.

From a “team,” standpoint we probably can’t find or afford anyone that is more prepared to lead the offense next season. He has more confidence and is around people that believe in him. I’ll take that situation any day over an unknown like Flynn, Kaepernick or “insert draft pick here.” I can’t roll the dice on another rookie QB despite all the recent rookie successes.

by throwthedamnball on Feb 21, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Suggested scratches......

Scratch Swain, Norris, Peelle, Rachal, Will Tuku…, Safety Williams and Reggie Smith and things start to look a lot better (and the team would not miss a beat).

by ninernutt on Feb 20, 2012 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

We do not HAVE to get back Goldson, Brooks, Rogers, A special teams only tackler, Snyder OR GINN

If any one of those guys is unreasonable goodbye. Goldson is only average, Rogers is getting older, Blake isn’t good enough to make the team anywhere but special teams, Snyder is a backup but a valuable one and Ted is.. Well Ted is Ted

In order of importance

Alex
Rogers
Morgan
Grant
Ginn
Brooks
Snyder
Goldson
Costanzo

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 20, 2012 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Alex the most important?

He’s not the least important but I’d easily place higher priorities on guys like Brooks, Goldson and Rogers.

Stay out of my territory

by DickGozinya on Feb 20, 2012 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Brooks played well, but his season was not as good as Lawson's last season.

Manny could come back CHEAPER!

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 20, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

And on a cheaper deal... I guess I'd take him back. I do love a bargain.

Gotta have low salary somewhere. Then you resign Grant as a backup and see if he can learn the position to put Lawson in the unemployment line soon.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 21, 2012 3:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Makes zero sense, if you upgrade the.position, why not sign him long term at 3 per?

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 21, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Disagree with you

About Ginn, because he’s an exceptional kick/punt returner.
and about Snyder, because we need depth on the offensive line more than anything. Continuity is key here.
I also want Brooks and Goldson back if we can afford them.

"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that."
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by Pat Willie on Feb 20, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Goldson can be replaced by anybody half competent without too huge a drop off.

Tackle solid. Don’t let the guys get behind you. You might not make the big hits Goldson does but at least you won’t miss 5 tackles a game.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 20, 2012 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd take him back without thinking twice

Based on 7 interceptions, FF and recovery. As a major part of a defense allowing 14. 3 points per game, I’ll give him the missed tackles and take the interceptions.

"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that."
--Jerry Rice

by Pat Willie on Feb 20, 2012 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Only 2 of the interceptions were really great plays. The other 5 were plays you expect anybody to take advantage of given the opportunties.

He’s so reckless he misses tackles and almost blew Culliver’s leg up when he whiffed on Mike Wallace.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 21, 2012 4:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Seven interceptions are seven interceptions

Great plays or not, he was in the right place at the right time. That means he is either really lucky, or spot on about following his assignment.

Every team has to play against horrible quarterbacks, I can’t discount all interceptions against horrible quarterbacks and try to compare safties that way. All I can tell you is that seven interceptions is alot for a safety.

I saw Goldson play last season, and I saw a couple costly mistakes, but for the most part Goldson is all over the field, and always in the right place. So I’ll forgive him a few missed tackles.

I don’t believe you when you say it’s five missed tackles a game. It seems to me, our defense wouldn’t have survived a guy missing five per game. Do you have proof of that number anywhere?

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by Pat Willie on Feb 21, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 21, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

That's the problem

Finding somebody halfway competent.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Feb 21, 2012 6:53 AM PST up reply actions  

He can be a reckless player

but I like Goldson for that reason alone. Along with Whitner, he puts ferocious behavior in our secondary. It gives our defense an identity. Brooks is too talented to let walk despite his penalty problems and Rodgers is a known entity versus seeing if someone else can fit into our scheme.

I’ll give you Ginn though, the more I think about it he needs to accept a reasonable contract because he is a liability as WR.

by throwthedamnball on Feb 21, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I want us to resign:

Smith
Goldson
Rogers
Brooks
Snyder
Ginn
Morgan
Costanzo
Spillman
Grant
Brock
Tukuafu

by mikeinsp on Feb 20, 2012 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Take them all but Goldson and Brooks.

Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?

by rlott#42 on Feb 20, 2012 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

goldson must have molested you as a child.

Why do you hate him so much its almost like you devote your life to opposing him.

by RBoogy29 on Feb 21, 2012 6:31 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Lets get LLOYD back!

When we had an opportunity to get him a lil’ late in the season and didn’t, my lil’ bro got all crazy on how we eeefffdd up by not getting him. I thought Nah’ we did that and that it ran its course already’ but but maybe, just maybe we can make it happen. Can’t nobody say he is not still putting it down. He was Ballin’ in DEN and then did his thing in STL. He makes some pretty nice catches! Lloyd-Crabtree-Morgan

by BUDDED420 on Feb 20, 2012 3:55 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

30 yrs old

He’s had one good statistical season on a bad team that had to throw because it was behind by a lot late in games. Plus we already drafted him once 9 years ago, and unless he’s gotten faster or a couple of inches taller I don’t see how this would solve the Niners’ WR problems.

by throwthedamnball on Feb 20, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

His catch rates even in his impressive seasons have been pretty low.

In 2010 he made up for it with an outstanding YPC, but I dont really think he’s going to help this offense much. He doesn’t block, isn’t very good after the catch, 2 important traits for this scheme. He does have amazing body control though…Very rare in that aspect.

Stay out of my territory

by DickGozinya on Feb 20, 2012 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Free Agents

Players I believe will be back Goldson franchised, A Smith, Snyder, Costanzo, Morgan and Spillman. Players I want back but I believe will go elsewhere Grant, Rogers, Brooks and Gynn. Let the others walk.

by IHavIssues on Feb 20, 2012 7:08 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Didn't we already try the Brandon Lloyd Experience?

I don’t remember it being a very good one. As for Carr, why roll the dice, when you already know what you’ve got in Rodgers, and the money probably isn’t all that different. Forget about age; this is one of the youngest teams in the NFL. A little maturity makes a good balance with the youngsters.
Sign Rodgers, franchise Goldson, replace Brooks. Brandon Lloyd can suck elsewhere.

by f p soft on Feb 21, 2012 12:38 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

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