Alex Smith Contract Rumors: Jason La Canfora Stirs The Pot
by David Fucillo on Feb 22, 2012 8:00 AM PST
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PrintYesterday afternoon, Jason La Canfora apparently made an appearance on Total Access and discussed a possible contract for 49ers QB Alex Smith. I missed the show and thus all I am writing here is based on what I've seen in the comments and what people have told me via Twitter. I would love further clarification for those who caught La Canfora's appearance.
According to La Canfora, fans could expect to see Alex Smith brought back in a deal somewhere along the lines of Kevin Kolb, with a possibility of five or six years at $60 million. That is certainly a huge chunk of change, but it is also my understanding that the deal would include out clauses early on in case Smith busted out. If anybody caught his comments yesterday, please clarify if I am incorrect.
If these numbers end up accurate as a potential framework for a deal in the coming weeks, the out clause portion of any deal is going to be the most important aspect. And it will be important to keep that in mind when considering the dollars involved, rather than simply overreacting to a large number put in front of us. NFL contracts provide for guaranteed money, but the overall contracts are not guaranteed. We see teams cut players all the team with limited implications on the salary cap. Any deal with Alex could get particularly creative in these options.
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The question with Smith isn’t if he busts out, but that we shouldn’t be overpaying for consistent mediocrity.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
by Ougadas on Feb 22, 2012 8:03 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
think "busting out" at this point just means
smith isn’t playing up to his pay check in the future. I know a lot of people here hate him so much that they’ll say he didn’t play up to his salary this year, even though he was paid as a below average QB.
Smith has earned another year, don’t see what the harm in locking him down in a high dollar management friendly contract.
to clarify, managment friendly means
low guaranteed money, low signing bonus, low percentage base salary and high percentage incentive pay.
My understanding is that it's largely incentive based
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I am still of the mindset that very few if any offerings are coming in for Alex Smith
It isn’t just the length of contract that is a concern, it is the base salary for QB that is more of game manager.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 22, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
A 6 year, $60 million deal isn’t elite QB money, the following QBs would be making more:
Joe Flacco, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Ryan, Carson Palmer, Sam Bradford, Mark Sanchez; about 20 QBs total.
In other words, Smith’s contract would be in the bottom third of starting QBs’ contracts.
aren't a majority of those on their rookie contract?
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by manraj7 on Feb 22, 2012 10:36 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
here's a list of 33 QB in order by yards thrown in 2011 (from most to least), those in bold make LESS than a 6 year 60m
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Matthew Stafford
Eli Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Philip Rivers
Tony Romo
Matt Ryan
Ben Roethlisberger
Cam Newton
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Joe Flacco
Josh Freeman
Matt Hasselbeck
Mark Sanchez
Andy Dalton
Michael Vick
Rex Grossman
Alex Smith
Tarvaris Jackson
Carson Palmer
Colt McCoy
Matt Moore
Matt Schaub
Jay Cutler
Blaine Gabbert
Sam Bradford
Kevin Kolb
John Skelton
Christian Ponder
Tim Tebow
Matt Cassel
Curtis Painter
by reedkrase on Feb 22, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Those above him
Rookie contract:
Stafford
Ryan
Flacco
Freeman
Sanchez
Dalton
Newton
Rest of them are better than Smith. Except for Fitzpatrick who started the year out strong but injuries derailed him.
For those below him and got paid more. Schaub, Cutler, Cassel, Kolb, Bradford were all injured. Bradford is on his rookie deal and Kolb and Cassel were overpaid based on them playing in a good offense and scheme. Schaub and Cutler are better than Smith.
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by manraj7 on Feb 22, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
point is all those QBs that you said are better than Smith would still be making MORE than Smith
including the rookies. I just don’t see 6yr 60M as overpaying, especially if there are no cap consequenses for cutting him.
Ya I agree
I just think 6 years is a lot. I guess compared to the league he is paid what he deserves. And damn the QB gets paid.
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by manraj7 on Feb 22, 2012 1:25 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
if cutting him renders little to no cost to the niners and their cap...
then length (years) doesn’t matter.
well we still have a cap hit depending on his SB and Guaranteed money...
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Staying healthy while taking the beating Alex does is part of the job
Brady damn sure wouldn’t survive behind our line.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 22, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
where did you get Brady in this?
Sir you have an obsession…
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Well I could use Rodgers too.
But Brady has an even better line and cries even more when he gets hit.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 23, 2012 3:36 AM PST up reply actions
Considering free agency hasn't started yet that would be tampering
So that would be pretty logical
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 22, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
Hope this is just a bad rumor
$10 mil/year is too much. Less concerned about the 6 years, since you can always cut the guy.
La Canfora
Is a garbage “insider.” Mr #InsideSlant has failed to beat Glazer/Schefter/Mort etc to a scoop in ages. In fact I cannot recall a single scoop he had first. He is usually just quick to tweet the same story and add #insideslant to the end.
by Rod Blogojevich on Feb 22, 2012 8:12 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Another Seven years Forty Nine Million I'm thinkin" ... Sign The Man ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
I don't know what this contract entails either but what if?
It’s 6yr/60mil. But it’s an escalating contract like first 3yrs/24mil; next 3yrs/36mil (ie performance based of course) with out clauses if he doesn’t hit certain incentives during the last 3 years. Meanwhile the team is really only “on the hook” for something like 18 mil of the 24 mil during the first three years of the contract, basically 18 mil signing bonus but spread out in 3 years…
Just a shot in the dark if anyone gets what I’m saying.
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get it and agree, 8m a year for first 3 years of a 6 year contract gives you the security to keep him if he turns the next corner, and the ability to drop him at minimal cost if he doesn’t.
ok good that you do...
Yea it really would be cap friendly as well as team friendly with the “out clauses” if they did something like this. At the same time, it will appear as if Alex got what he would want which is contract security & higher salary. I’m sure Praage & Baalke are crunching heavy on the numbers & I trust their judgement. Their history in making contracts work in favor of everyone involved vs other NFL teams is pretty up there.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 22, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
6 years 60 mil means, on average, 10 mil per year only if he hits all his incentives right?
So there’s no reason to be concerned about overpaying him. If he gets the full amount, he’s earned it. Then they’ll probably guarantee like 24 mil of it which seems reasonable to me.
by runningblack on Feb 22, 2012 8:33 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Bingo ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
good reasoning
if he plays, he gets paid. Like others here, I would like to know what those incentives are. I don’t think Alex plays with cash on his mind. Otherwise he may push for yardage and make mistakes.
The incentives are going to have to be individual at some point...
Last year’s incentives, which he maxed out on, were for playing time and playoff win. I would bet the playing time was around 65-70% to hit the escalator.
Realistically, I can’t imagine that they would leave these standards as the only incentives which weigh on the contract. If they were to do this, then he could sit back, rely on the D and hope to not get injured and luck into some favorable games in the playoffs.
For the first year of a new contract, maybe stick with these and add something such as "increase yardage by 10-20% and TDs by 8-10. Beyond that first year though, you really have to start putting the responsibility on him and making it statistical, pro bowl appearances and super bowl wins.
by 9thevolution on Feb 22, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
They should guarantee all of it. He's earned it
Go Alex – F*** the haters. F*** em right in their puckered little @$$holes
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 22, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
earned it lmao
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
I think ItBurnzWhenIP might either be syphilitic
or a secret Raiders fan.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 22, 2012 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
maybe both
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
Here it is
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Feb 22, 2012 8:46 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Great
and who’s he going to throw to?
ALSO
I like the opt-out clauses and all, and I agree it should be done, but isn’t Smith made aware of that? And hasn’t Harbaugh’s plan been to inspire optimum confidence? Seems shady. I wonder how he would react to that.
I'm thinking he would react the same way he did this year when they only gave him a one year deal.
He knows that if he wants to get paid he has to earn it, and I bet he’s perfectly OK with that.
thats just the business side
Smith’s bank account is well taken care of from past years when he did not earn it. I think his main goal is the respect of the coach
I've got faith in the FO
but what about WR $? If I Smith, I’d take 40M instead of 60M if they promised me they’d grab a top flight receiver in FA
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 22, 2012 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
If I were you i would have said if I were Smith. The past subjunctive tense just doesn’t get enough play these days, past indicative subjunctive tense seems to be winning out.
I see that ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
I agree with this
Alex’s attitude reminds me of Jerry Rice’s in taking a pay cut in order to keep the talent on the team. Alex already restructured his contract once and I am certain if they said “Look… we’re going to get you Mike Wallace and/or Vincent Jackson” he’d take a serious haircut on his contract.
What better scenario for him than to have another big, top-level target, increased chances of more playoff appearances/wins and another shot at a SuperBowl? I mean… so many people labeled him a ‘bust’ that if I were Alex I’d love the chance to stick my finger in their eye and truly redeem myself for the ages.
I think Alex continues to improve with or without additional weapons, but life is certainly easier WITH them than without.
He earned it. By learning system after system. Dealing with moronic fans and bad coaching staffs.
And offensive lines that got him seriously injured
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 22, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
great reason to pay up f..... consistent production.
Gtfohwtbs!
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
opt out clauses
If the deal requires him to meet certain requirements to kick in parts of the deal, I don’t think it necessarily means opt out in that manner. We’ll see
by David Fucillo on Feb 22, 2012 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Another Concern
predicting future contracts for players like NaVorro Bowman and Aldon Smith. Their contracts will be up before Smith’s (if this is true) and we might have ourselves in a cap situation like Pittsburgh
That's why you build your team via the draft
Weed out the old players eventually or trade them away for high draft picks.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
these guys are still on their rookie contracts and are not guys I think we want to replace when theyre entering their prime
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 22, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
Some of them will go either via FA or via trade for draft picks
It’s unfortunate but it’s the reality of business in the NFL. Would hate to see some of these guys go though.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
I think Aldon is the least replaceable out of the players I listed. But I don’t necessarily think it needs to be that way. The Ravens had Peter Boulware, Ray Lewis and Jamie Sharper. The Steelers had Jack Ham, Jack Lambert and Andy Russell ..like, those entire defenses went to Pro Bowls
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 22, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
I like the idea of this deal. Who knows if the numbers are accurate as it seems like speculation.
But I only like it based on the assumption that Smith improves, and to me at least, there’s no reason to think he won’t.
oh "boy"....!!!!!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
This is actually news.
I hadn’t heard that Kolb’s contract would be the bench-mark or template or what have you. The out clauses are crucial; as we saw with Nate Clements, an 8-year $80 Million contract can actually be more like a 5 year $45 million contract (or something similar).
I was surprised to hear that they were talking about a deal as long as 6 years. I had more of the impression that it’d be a 2-3 year deal. I guess we’ll see. Hopefully there will be news soon.
We still have Harbaugh. So there's hope.
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sounds like it will be a 2-3 year deal . . . unless Smith actually becomes an elite, high yardage QB.
6 years is too long
3 years with heavy incentives because he is just a placemarker until somebody better is available.
Agent Dunham....Walternate testified that in his universe, AleX Smith is a pro-bowl QB for the Saints, and broke Trent Dilfer's season record of 6000 yards passing. Walter....Thats nice, more LSD please.
Sounds like you're wrong
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 22, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
In other news
Tom Brady’s QB coach and mentor died on his birthday. Tragic
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
At first my reaction to this contract was wow thats a lot of money for a long time
then I remembered that its the NFL. So on that note I would like to see the details of the contract before I jump off a bridge…
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can you save me? I just jumped off the bridge!!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
I don't like water...
I’ll call someone stay there…
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too late kaepernick got me out
lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
damn
and I liked Kaep
I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 22, 2012 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
crickets.............
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
I called him
Chalk one up for the manraj
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by manraj7 on Feb 22, 2012 6:43 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
thanks!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Happy days ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Word is Ahmad Brooks is seeking a $8M/year deal
Matt Barrows is reporting it. I’m pretty sure we will hear more about Brooks, but looks to me that he is looking for way too much.
...
wow so thats $18m just to those two. Throw in the tag for Goldson and we lose out on Rogers because we will only have 6m left. Unless we work out the details better.
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money
It’s not simply adding up the per year value. The 49ers gave out multi-year deals last year that were a total of $14M per year, but the first year hit was only $8M or so. Bonuses impact it.
by David Fucillo on Feb 22, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Plus, the 49ers will have more money to play with when they cut certain folks.
Spencer is likely to be cut, and others can restructure. I don’t think they’ll really have much cap trouble this year, to be honest.
We still have Harbaugh. So there's hope.
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no way is he worth that
I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 22, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
No way he gets that much...
Not with only 7 sacks on the year. If he believes that he will get that, then he might end up coming back with his tail between his legs like Goldson did this year. I wouldn’t pay him more than McDonald, or if I did, it would be absolutely minimal.
by 9thevolution on Feb 22, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
NEEEEEXXXXXXTTTT!!!
Lawson or a rookie, no way he’s worth that, freaking neutral zone infraction king.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
by rlott#42 on Feb 22, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yah. Hit the road Jack.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 22, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
Not surprised he wants far more than he deserves.
For what his role will be with the team next season given Aldon will be the starter at Jack LB, he’s not worth half that with the Niners.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Has ANY other NFL team expressed interest in free agent Alex Smith?
This is the business yardstick I would use for a new contract. If nobody else wants him, why pay a lot?
Agent Dunham....Walternate testified that in his universe, AleX Smith is a pro-bowl QB for the Saints, and broke Trent Dilfer's season record of 6000 yards passing. Walter....Thats nice, more LSD please.
It's in order to prevent others from bidding and driving up the price....
Smith is more important to this team than any other, but if someone like Pete Carroll wants to be a D Bag, he can have Smith in for an interview and drive up his price, forcing us to pay more than we want to. I don’t see how a contract with $24-25m guaranteed over 6 years is such a bad thing. You make a lot of the later money “not easily earned” escalators and it keeps you safe.
Do you really feel perfectly comfortable with Kaepernick as our starter next year with Tolzien as the primary back up? I personally would sleep better on Saturdays next season if Smith is on this team.
by 9thevolution on Feb 22, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
And to answer the question above....
No other team can show interest in him at this point because it would be tampering.
by 9thevolution on Feb 22, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
My Bad....Prepare to answer the same question March 5
Agent Dunham....Walternate testified that in his universe, AleX Smith is a pro-bowl QB for the Saints, and broke Trent Dilfer's season record of 6000 yards passing. Walter....Thats nice, more LSD please.
Perfectly OK With Smith Playing Next Season, but.......
Not for $60M/6years. Your $24-25M is just a made up figure. Where did that even come from?
Agent Dunham....Walternate testified that in his universe, AleX Smith is a pro-bowl QB for the Saints, and broke Trent Dilfer's season record of 6000 yards passing. Walter....Thats nice, more LSD please.
There is never a fully guaranteed contract....
Using Kolb’s figure as a base, since that is what La Canfora and the post assumes is the starting point, you can figure that roughly $24m would be the guaranteed money. Kolb has around $21m guaranteed and I believe Fitzpatrick received a similar amount from Buffalo.
If it is less than $24m over 6 years, then it will likely have a lot of easily earned incentives, which is bad for the team.
by 9thevolution on Feb 22, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
That figure is actually pretty reasonable....
Incentives are always a sticking point, but I believe they properly motivate a player. With a QB, you can steer their performance to meet the team objectives. Right now, I feel that too much emphasis is put on protecting interceptions. Get him a #1 WR and put some incentives in for pass completions.
Agent Dunham....Walternate testified that in his universe, AleX Smith is a pro-bowl QB for the Saints, and broke Trent Dilfer's season record of 6000 yards passing. Walter....Thats nice, more LSD please.
by scrappydog on Feb 22, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I completely agree...
I would only give him team based incentives for the first year (ie. playing time, playoff wins….) and beyond that I would put it more on individual accomplishments (yardage, TD passes, pro bowl appearances, MVP/SBMVP awards). We would definitely need to throw in some better receivers for him though.
by 9thevolution on Feb 22, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
They cant drive up the price. Smith needs Harbaugh more than the Niners need Smith.
Fact!
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Fact!
Before Alex Smith throws a pass he asks himself "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, he does not do throw that pass.
But if he does that he will never get through his progressions
Wait, that might mean he is already doing it.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 22, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Fact!
Alex Smith is all about loyalty. In fact, Alex Smith feels like part of what he’s being paid for here is his loyalty. But if there were somewhere else that valued loyalty more highly, Alex Smith is going wherever they value loyalty the most.
Classic
IDENTITY THEFT IS A SERIOUS OFFENSE, JIM.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Here's how I'd offer a Six-Year Deal to Alex Smith
My proposal for an offer: $12M Guaranteed, 6 years, $29M Base Salary (or 6 years, $41M)
Year 1: Signing Bonus $4M, Base Salary $1M
Year 2: Roster Bonus $1M, Base Salary $4M
Year 3: Roster Bonus $2.5M, Base Salary $4M
Year 4: Roster Bonus $1M, Base Salary $6M
Year 5: Roster Bonus $2.5M, Base Salary $7M
Year 6: Roster Bonus $1M, Base Salary $7M
Yearly Incentives (added on at the end of season): Alex Smith named League MVP = $2.5M, Alex Smith voted to Pro Bowl = $500K; Team Wins 10+ games with Smith 85% of snaps = $500K; Team Earns trip to NFC Championship game w/Smith 85% of snaps = $1M; Team Earns trip to Super Bowl, Alex Smith 85% snaps = $2.5M
Escalators (added on to following season): Alex Smith Passes for over 4,000 yards = Base Salary increases by $1M; Alex Smith Passes for 30+ TDs = Base Salary increases by $1M; Alex Smith throws <10 INTs w/85% snaps = Base Salary increase by $1M.
I’m not sure how realistic this contract proposal would be, but I think it would benefit both Alex Smith and the San Francisco 49ers. In other words, to get paid huge, Alex Smith would have to earn the contract that similar big name QBs already have (which is only fair). This might be completely ridiculous, but it’s a contract I’m sure everyone could live with (both fans, Alex Smith and the 49ers alike).
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 22, 2012 11:54 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
So if Smith is the leage MVP, Probowl QB, 10+ wins, Superbowl trip, passes over 4000 yards with less than 10 interceptions he would get a 9 million dollar bonus?
no
if the team gets to the Super Bowl, his NFC Title game and 10+ Win incentives would be nullified and $2.5M would be his bonus. Win/Success incentives are only paid to the highest accolade achieved, so if the 49ers wins 10+ games but the team loses out in WC or DIV round (or misses playoffs), he “only” gets 500K.
His incentives would be: $5.5M
His base salary for the following season would increase by: $2M
So his total earned for that season $10.5M (if earned in year 1 or 2) and the following season would see his base salary increase by $2M (year 2 from $4M to $6M or whichever year his escalator precedes).
I’d say paying $10.5M for a Super Bowl appearing, Regular Season MVP winning, 4000 yards passing, <10INT throwing, QB is worth it.
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 22, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds great
and will likely never happen or even come close.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 22, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
and if that's the case
Alex Smith is signed to a reasonable contract and performs to what his value is. Should he outperform that contract, he would have incentives and escalators that may prevent a holdout for renegotiation. If Smith were to put up 4,000+ yards, 30+ TDs and <10 INTs, I don’t think anyone in their right mind would disagree with a $3M raise in base salary for the following season. Even if he were to hit those numbers every year of his contract, I wouldn’t complain.
Let’s say he hits those escalators in Year 1, his Year 2 Goes to $7M in base ($8M w/roster bonus). Because that $8M exceeds all base salaries from Year 3 – 6, his base salary would be increased to $8M per season. If he did it again in Year 3, his base salary would jump to $11M per season for the remainder of the contract and continue to increase should he continue to perform at such a high level.
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 22, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
correction
his base salary would jump to $7M for Year 3 and 4, while Year 5 and 6 don’t change unless hits another escalator.
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 22, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
LMAO
What planet are you from? No player is going to accept that.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 22, 2012 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
bro, not sure what your deal is
but that’s the contract I’d be comfortable with the 49ers signing Alex Smith to, in other words, not 6 years, $60M. In case you can’t detect internet sarcasm/satire (and I detect you cannot) the mere fact that I’m suggesting such a ridiculous contract for Alex Smith shows you how much I’d be excited about a 6-year deal going his way.
a three year deal, sure, but anything else is from Mars, much like that contract proposal FYI.
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 22, 2012 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
You put a lot of thought into building a ridiculous contract and trying to make it actually work for it to be tongue in cheek
You should have said something like 5 years he plays for free with escalators based on yadda yadda yadda
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 23, 2012 3:39 AM PST up reply actions
curious to kno
what’s wrong with taking time to post something that has a little bit of content and quality (I’m using that term rather loosely FYI)?
you don’t think thought and effort has to go into tongue and cheek? did you not read the part where I acknowledge its ridiculousness?
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 23, 2012 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
You didn’t give him a big enough deal. IBWIP probably thinks he should get a 10 year, $150 million deal
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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 23, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Don't pay him !
First of all, he not good trade or F/A bait. Someone one may offer him a contract but who cares He wants to remain a Niner. He’ll take 4 mi. to 6 mil. just to stay with the team. Bet my butt on it.
P.S.
He doesn’t need the money. He has already made his fortune with the Niners.
by LASVEGASNINER on Feb 22, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Your the guy I saw at the dog park huh ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Were you the guy picking up his dog poop?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
How about alex pays the niners back for all of the bad years; so he owes the niners 45,000,000 over the next six years?!?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
How you do you constantly forget he basically cut his rookie contract in half
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 22, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
In the last two years or something
he still got the bulk of that contract
by asmithisaverage on Feb 22, 2012 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
Those rookie contracts start low and get pricier
Contract was 6 years 49.5M He renegotiated the big money salary years. His renegotiation on the last 2 years went from 24M in salary down to 8M. Then he had 24M in guaranteed money. He certainly didn’t achieve any escalators with that turd of a team. He got about 30 M over 6 years.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 23, 2012 3:48 AM PST up reply actions
while you're at it, get a refund from Singletary, Nolan & Ericson too
I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 22, 2012 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
ericson yes
nolan and sing would still be here if not for……
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
Incompetence?
"Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer "extortion." The "X" makes it sound cool." - Bender Bending Rodriguez
Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?
"Sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon..."
lack of winning?
And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman
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producing a team that refused to make the playoffs?
And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman
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giving me hope and a dream then once the dream was in reach decide to throw it away
And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman
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Knowing how too coach ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
I expect Kaepernick to be ready at some point, so.....
as long as any new signed contract allows us the right to trade Alex when Colin is ready…then Im good.
I agree
or even if Alex is cool with staying on as a back-up to Kaepernick. I’d like to see what Kaepernick can do as a full time starter one day, and I hope the franchise feels the same way (unless a miracle QB comes along of course). His rushing totals in college are eye-popping so if he can get coached up in the position, his athleticism will take him to great heights. I think Smith and three years would be the best deal, with the intent of CK taking over as soon as 2013.
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 22, 2012 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
I dont care if he gets $10 million a year, but 6 years seems like a long contract.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
It's all about the guaranteed $$
There are no 6-year deals in the NFL. Kevin Kolb was guaranteed $21 mil over 5 years. If the Niners sign a 6-year/$60 mil deal with Alex (and I’m really skeptical of La Canfora since he basically steals Glazer’s scoops) then we can work the contract so there’s even less of a cap hit each season. Throw in some performance incentives and an out clause for the fourth year and you’ll have essentially a 3-year deal with $20-25 mil guaranteed, everything else is window dressing.
by throwthedamnball on Feb 23, 2012 10:41 AM PST reply actions
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