2012 NFL Free Agents: Mike Wallace Says He Would Consider 49ers
by David Fucillo on Feb 22, 2012 1:46 PM PST
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PrintPittsburgh Steelers wide receiver and soon to be free agent Mike Wallace made an appearance on SiriusXM Radio earlier today to chat with Adam Schein and Rich Gannon about his possible free agency destinations (thanks to Shaner021 for the FanShot). Wallace was specifically asked whether he would consider the 49ers or Patriots in free agency, to which he responded that he would consider them given their contender nature.
Wallace was asked what he was considering in free agency. I will give him credit for indicating money is one of the things he is considering. It is always an issue but players often roll out the line "I'm going to do what is best for my team." Props to Wallace for honesty. Beyond that he also mentioned he needs to go to a winning situation and he wants a good quarterback.
Although both the 49ers and Patriots have plenty of other issues to address with their cap money, they both conceivably have the kind of cap room to spend on a big ticket item like Wallace. At this point, rumors indicate Wallace is likely to receive a first round tender instead of the two pick franchise tag. The Patriots have an additional draft pick they could use, while the 49ers pick down at No. 30 is the kind of pick that isn't so awful to give up if they somehow worked out a contract with Wallace. It is worth noting that plenty of rumors are also floating that Brandon Lloyd will end up following Josh McDaniels to New England.
I don't necessarily think the 49ers will stick around in what could turn into a sizable bidding war for Wallace. They won't ignore him, but if someone is willing to take things to another level (Baltimore?), I would imagine the 49ers are more inclined to take a step back and use their cap space elsewhere.
What I like as much as anything about this is that the franchise finds itself back in the discussion among winners. In recent years, the team either had to overpay players or settle for second tier free agents. Justin Smith has worked out as well as anybody could expect, but even when that deal happened, people figured the 49ers had taken the needed extra step to make it happen, much like they did with Nate Clements.
The 49ers will not be getting any sorts of crazy discounts now that they are coming off a winning season and have a great coach, but they suddenly possess certain contract tiebreakers. Aside from the great Bay Area weather, they have a coach players love, they have a front office spending money, and they have a team on the rise. This all helps the team continue improving where needed through free agency.
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Not a bad move to snag him in free agency..
It also makes it easier for the 49ers to part ways with Ginn. I was hesitant about losing ginn because we would lose all those fly sweep packages without a speedy receiver. But I recall the steelers actually copied the fly sweep with Mike Wallace running the play and they scored a touchdown on it. You get more out of the wide reciever position with him on because of his overall abilities as a play making reciever. Still I hate to lose a good guy like Ginn. The price has to be right though. Can the 49ers afford to fork over big time bucks and retain their star free agents as well?
I say do it
ONLY if the coaches feel that he’s the missing piece to put this team over the top. Otherwise, we need to spend that cap money on trying to retain some of our key FA’s. I trust that the FO will handle this very smartly like they did last offseason.
Wallace Watch
I have a feeling this could turn into something along the lines of Nnamdi watch. Plenty of rumors but little reality of it happening.
The difference is that Nnamdi wanted to get paid AND play for a winner, we clearly weren’t seen as winners heading into last season. Thankfully a lot has changed in just a year. If we acquire Wallace or not, the 49ers are back on the NFL map once again and that’s a great thing!
by ..Dom on Feb 22, 2012 2:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Nothing indicated he wanted to get "paid" he just demanded a high salary due to his play.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Lol you don’t negotiate with multiple teams your looking to get paid.
by ..Dom on Feb 22, 2012 3:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
(Sorry) that was unless you’re looking to get paid… Not saying it was Nnamdi’s first priority, but of course he was trying to get his money.
by ..Dom on Feb 22, 2012 3:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Come on were both not naive, of course money was a factor or his camp wouldn’t have wasted time negotiating. It doesn’t mean its the #1 factor for everyone, or that there’s anything wrong with those players who make it their #1 priority.
by ..Dom on Feb 22, 2012 6:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It wasn’t, maybe you should research the millionaire that doesn’t spend money. Nmamdi wanted to go to the East Coast to spread his caring for disadvantaged children, that was his #1 priority, the $$$$$ came into play because he plays a premium position. That was his agents #1 priority.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Did he tell you that or did his agent. Give me a break.
by ..Dom on Feb 22, 2012 8:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Read the articles, give yourself a break and quit responding or go tead up on it.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Please man heres the 1st article I came across. He says nothing about youth programs or anything like that being part of the process. He mentions DJax and Vick playing a role recruiting him, and mentions Dallas as being another candidate. I also remember reading Houston being in on him until they decided to go with Joseph. I’m a huge Nnamdi fan, I know he does tons for the youth and cares about the community. Never said he was a bad guy bc HE’S NOT. If you want to pretend that money played zero part in his signing, OK you win. You probably know him better than I do.
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/12/eagles_cb_nnamdi_asomugha_does.html?mobRedir=false
by ..Dom on Feb 22, 2012 9:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Would love this move
Especially for the #30 pick; he’s young AND proven. Not to mention, besides Dexter McCluster, Ole Miss guys have been playing pretty well. Definitely well rep’d in the NFC Championship.
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 22, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Get him.
It says a lot for a top flight FA to consider coming to play for us. That’s a small victory in itself. He’s still only 25. VJax is 29 and DeSean isn’t your protypical #1 WR, which is what we need. Wallace would change the offense for us and take the heat off VD and Crab. Make the move. You’re not going to find anything better at pick #30.
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Biggest teams in the way are the Steelers and 49ers. Pats won’t do it, they’re too arrogant. Steelers are going to start chopping and cutting and restructuring to avoid this happening. 49ers may not value him as a first round pick, due to the fact that OG and OLB are areas that need filling. I see Brooks leaving. Keeping Morgan around makes Wallace’s addition less likely, although I’d take them both and let Ginn hit the road. Two words, TY Hilton.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
I support it
I think giving up a 1st for Wallace makes sense. Of course after last year’s draft class I have complete confidence in our staff. However, I cannot help but get excited about the potential room Wallace could open up for Vernon and how unstoppable he would be in the play action game.
No thanks to Mike Wallace
For one, he’ll be too expensive, and for another, he isn’t the pro-typical tough number 1 WR this team needs. He can stretch the field, yes, but is he a bona-fide #1? I’m not so sure about that. He has nice stats, but Hines Ward does all the dirty work in Pittsburgh.
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 22, 2012 2:09 PM PST reply actions
Hines Ward hasn't done anything in Pittsburgh for a year.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
based on what?
stats? I’m not talking about stats. I’m talking about what WRs are expected to do when the #1 WR in San Francisco, and that’s be physical, block and stay in the game even when balls aren’t headed your way. Does Mike Wallace meet any of those requirements? What percentage of snaps was Wallace on the field compared to the percentage of snaps Ward was on the field (in their three years together, not just one)?
Mike Wallace is a cream-puff.
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 22, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Trust me
Ward was about as useful in Pittsburgh this past season as Arnaz Battle. Maybe that’s a bit of a stretch but he was nowhere near the No. 1 receiver since the arrival of Brown/Wallace/Sanders. Not to say he isn’t a fine blocker and a physical receiver but he hasn’t produced like a No. 1 in the receiving game.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Could be wrong, but did he even see the field against the Niners?
by ..Dom on Feb 22, 2012 2:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
By the way
Brown is superior receiver to Wallace and was their No. 1 last year.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
yes
but w’re looking for a deep threat, and wallace is the better deep threat
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you.
Most people tend to think of Wallace as our best receiver, but in reality Brown is probably the best. He is younger, has more upside, and is a great role model. So go ahead and take Wallace, we can live without him lol. In fact, I’m actually excited about the possibility of two first round picks.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
which is the point
why spend #1 WR money on a #2, when you can get a #1 for the same price less a draft pick.
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 22, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Because that #2 makes all the offensive players job easy.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Because that #2 would be a #1 in most offenses.
It isn’t about #2 and #1 and all that stuff. Mike Wallace is the best WR on the market and he’s only 26. Therefore, we should pursue him.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 22, 2012 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree
and I mention why numerous times below. Mike Wallace is not the best WR on the market, that’s debatable.
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 22, 2012 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
Hines Ward
According to an article that was linked from this site today or yesterday (sorry I forget where and don’t have the link), Ward played 14 snaps per game for the 2nd half of the season. So I’m not sure how much he could’ve done in that time. Even if you don’t like Wallace, it’s not because “Ward does all the dirty work in Pittsburgh.”
again
three-year span, not last season alone. Is Mike Wallace notorious for being a tough, #1 guy? NO, he absolutely is not. It would take that kind of money to get him, PLUS a first round pick.
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 22, 2012 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Ward hasn't been a #1 receiver in 3 years
And we don’t have a #1. If we had a #1 his job wouldn’t be to block every play it would be to get open and block when runs are coming his way.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 23, 2012 4:47 AM PST up reply actions
Is that true?
Or is that what the #1 WR on the 49ers was expected to do because our #1 WR is limited to that being the best part of their skill set?
by What you talking bout Willis on Feb 24, 2012 6:20 AM PST up reply actions
Hines Ward was their #4 WR last year. But I agree hes not in the Dwayne Bowe/Vincent Jackson category of this years free agent WRs, if that’s the type of contract he’s seeking.
by ..Dom on Feb 22, 2012 2:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
even if that were true
Crabtree and Morgan are more “dirty work” players anyway. Wallace is what we don’t have.
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 22, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
that's a good point
but the money the 49ers would be spending on a #2 WR would be a bit much. Regardless, I think if they spend a significant amount of money, it should be a true #1, not just a deep threat.
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 22, 2012 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
7 mil? a mil more than we are paying Crabtree, sounds like one wr is over paid.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
it's not just $7M
it’s $7M + the 30th pick in the draft. Spin it whatever way you’d like, signing a guy that you arleady know is a #2 at best for top money + giving up a first rounder no matter how late it is seems redundant. Depending on the cap impact, it would take away from other areas of need, that won’t be as easily addressed as WR can be in the NFL Draft.
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 22, 2012 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
high exceptions
not rules.
no more face palms outta you sir.
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 22, 2012 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
That specific type of WR is in the draft? Who? Define #1, Wallace takes pressure of the oline, te, wrs, and QB, sounds like a #1 to me. At least he brings more to the table than Jackson and Bowe, based on our roster.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
at least he brings
more to the table than Bowe or Jackson? Didn’t see Bowe’s numbers or just refuse to accept them? Vincent Jackson is 6’5, 240 pounds, I’d say he offers a lot more to the offense than Mike Wallace. Same with Bowe.
I don’t want to imply you can simply draft WRs like Wallace annually
I’d rather team spent it’s FA money on one need and it’s 1st round draft pick on another need, not combine both into one. That first round pick can be turned into multiple picks, or at least a solid starter at CB or WR or OG. Too many options.
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 22, 2012 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
Live off stats you lose every time.
What Wallace will do for the run game and short passing game is far better than Jackson and Bowe. Neither of them are going to burn deep zone coverage nor will they take screens to the house. They sure as hell aren’t fast enough to make a safety play back 20 yards which is what our offense needs. Lanes would open for Gore like the red sea.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Define a #1
This is the funniest term tossed around on these boards. Wallace will make every offensive players job easy. That’s a #1 to me. Crabtree, Davis, and Gore get to see 7 man fronts, and if you put 8 in the box, count up the points. He OS exactly what this offense needs or a player with the same dangerous speed and ability to house any catch.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
excellent point
but I still don’t like the cost of him compared to the cost of other FA WRs that the 49ers don’t have to give up a draft pick for.
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 22, 2012 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Who? He would be cheaper than. bowe or jackson and hes more helpful to this team based on how its built.
Spend that money to make the other guys underpaid is a great investment.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
again, not just the $7M or cost
it’s the first round pick that dictates why I don’t think the 49ers should sign Wallace. WRs like Mike Wallace are special, I’m not denying that and I don’t want to imply you can simply draft WRs like Wallace annually. However, giving up the 30th pick + big contract when the 30th pick in the NFL could land you similar talent + affordable contract. Or, the ability to draft CB first round, WR second round.
That first round pick may be late in the draft, but it’s crucial. I think there are too many options to casually give up a first round pick plus $7M/Season for Mike Wallace. If the Steelers would be open to sending over a second round pick, I’d be all for it (but that’s not how RFA works). I just want to reiterate I like Mike Wallace’s talent, but for the cost it’s just too much.
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 22, 2012 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
You already said this, we can potentially pick up a second rounder with a tender on Grant, there are options.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
you keep repeating yourself
I only felt prudent to follow your lead.
no team would give up a second rounder to sign Larry Grant. really?
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 22, 2012 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
I bet you a few do.
He played at a Pro Bowl caliber level coming off the bench for 4 games. There are teams that need starting MLBs
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 23, 2012 4:54 AM PST up reply actions
Why the hell not? He is better than Bowman and Willis in coverage and he can play sideline to aideline very well.
With a second round pick you have a better MLB than any being drafted.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
If Mike Wallace gets a half-step
Not a full one – A HALF step – on somebody You can throw him a go route and watch it go 60 yards for a TD. That is a #1 receiver. He’s the type of guy where his hot route is just to throw it out over his head and let him run under it.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 23, 2012 4:52 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, but..
I’m a supporter of Alex Smith, but Wallace stated he wants to play with a good quarterback.
Does Wallace see Smith as the guy who can get him the ball. Not only execute the play, but actually pull the trigger?
by Mapletreemarty on Feb 23, 2012 6:27 AM PST up reply actions
But Alex Smith doesn't throw it unless you are wide open AND the primary receiver...
by asmithisaverage on Feb 23, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Regardless of his past, he is the starter going forward, something has to change.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Ward=Crabtree
Did you see some of the down field blocks that Crabtree threw? He is no where near Wards level yet but if you want a receiver to do the dirty work Crabtree can perform. Wallace will be able to do what he does and Davis will do what he does best. Sounds like a winning combo to me.
Not trying to be a broken record
but I acknowledge what Wallace can do, but refuse to think a first round draft pick plus the big contract are worth one free agent. I’d prefer the team to address one need in FA and one need in the first round instead of using both for just one free agent.
by Andrew Davidson on Feb 23, 2012 8:52 AM PST up reply actions
To take this offense to the middle of the league in offensive production, you damn right it is worth it.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
certainly an upgrade
from ginn, but what is the max we would pay? I’ll bet someone is willing to pay alot more than the 49ers especially if we give alex that contract that is in the rumor mill.
I’m also skeptical that he is really a number 1, which is why i would prefer to get a true number one in free agency or pick up a guy in the draft. if Joe Adams is available in the 2nd round id try to get him even if we have to slang some picks to grab him. I’m not saying Joe is going to be a number one receiver that we need but he is definitely an upgrade from ginn at least as a receiver
What I love most about the Wallace question
is that SF is finally a place FAs want to end up
so if the 9ERS dont get Wallace,
which WR should they go after?
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maiocco made a good point....
garcon would be another good, young option whose value may not be inflated by the furious FA offers. he could be this year’s carlos rogers- a quality player that could use a fresh start, and will sign a friendly contract to play somewhere better.
of course, he’s not a top tier wideout like VJax or Wallace- but he’d be much cheaper. and that’ll allow the team to keep last year’s carlos rogers.
i would love garcon
hes got decent speed, and great hands, solid route runner too. And you made a great point about him being cheaper, he would cost less then vincent jackson and wallace
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
I would love Garcon as well
You could probably get him for around 5.5-6/year
by Mapletreemarty on Feb 23, 2012 6:29 AM PST up reply actions
Wow
for a guy who was pretty pedestrian (with an exception of three games) w/o Peyton Manning, that would be quite a hefty price.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 23, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Not me
I think that his stats are so inflated because of Peyton Manning its ridiculous. I dont think that he is much if at all better than Crabtree.
They should not be in the business of stock piling average to slightly above average #2 WR’s. We have enough of them already.
by What you talking bout Willis on Feb 24, 2012 6:24 AM PST up reply actions
No on Garcon, not enough speed fpr the height. Morgan = Garcon.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
i dont see anything wrong with getting another morgan, that has better hands
because we definitely aren’t getting jackson or wallace, they want to much money, we wouldn’t be able to resign our own guys if we acquired one of those 2
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think Garcon is known for having great hands. If the Colts believed he was something special, doubt they would just let him walk.
by ..Dom on Feb 22, 2012 3:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
hes not the next jerry rice
im just saying if we were to get a receiver through free agency it wouldn’t be a vincent jackson or wallace, too much money for the cap space we have, and who we have to re-sign.
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure how much Wallace is looking for. I agree if its in the ball park of Vincent Jackson, id have no interest. Personally id rather see the Niners draft a WR with speed than waste $ on someone like Garcon. His stats were bloated from the Colts playing from behind every game.
by ..Dom on Feb 22, 2012 4:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Morgan's hands are better than Garcon's
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 23, 2012 4:57 AM PST up reply actions
Garcon is the type of signing the 49ers would be looking for, stay away from all the big name hoopla FA’s at wide receiver, and pluck this guy out of Indy at a good deal that doesn’t handicap them with their own priorities.
by Mapletreemarty on Feb 23, 2012 6:30 AM PST up reply actions
Translation
“Yo, Mr. Rooney. Show me the money.”
irrationally & spitefully disagree
He is a good receiver but benefits in Pittsburgh being paired with the perfect QB for him. He would be average at best playing in SF. The alleged QB here isn’t a risk taker, doesn’t have a good deep ball since all those shoulder injuries and no QB can extend plays for his receivers longer than Ben.
The kind of WR to give up both money and picks for are Larry and Calvin, guys who would make any QB on the planet look great. Wallace is only a game changer if matched with the right QB.
this makes sense
maybe Kaepernick will be a good match. I think it comes down to what you value a first round draft pick. Andre Johnson is also an amazing receiver, you forgot him.
stop being realistic! lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
lmao......pia sundhage!!
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 22, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
wow
that is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen
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by Andrew9erfan on Feb 22, 2012 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
NFL 32
basically a conversation was centered around the importance of signing Mike Wallace and cutting others to make sure it gets done. words and phrases like “imperative” and “a must” were thrown around
man, I hope the Steelers lose him to us
I like Wallace
but only if we can’t land Bowe. He doesn’t seem physical enough to be an every down # 1 reciever in our system. A grade A deep threat for sure, but can he block well enough? It’s also possible that he can be an effective blocker but just wasn’t utilized in that manner in Pittsburgh. Another good point, I feel, is that if he blocks more, will he wear down sooner and lose some gas towards the end of games?
the reason why wallace is so appealing
is because yes he is primarily a deep threat, a great one at that, and we need a deep threat, we dont need him for his blocking, we need him for his play making
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
another concern I have is that
getting Wallace surrenders our !st rounder for sure , and while doing that wouldn’nt be so bad but we also have to pay a much higher salary than our # 30 pick would cost.
yeah
honestly i don’t thin we are going to sign any big name recievers, maybe garcon, but i was just pointing out why wallace would be a good fit, don’t see it happening though
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
true...
At the same time, the bust factor is not necessarily the same as a rookie.
by David Fucillo on Feb 22, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Absolutely
I feel like Bowe is a good player, but he wouldn’t do nearly as much for the offense as Wallace. Having Wallace would make Vernon Davis better and the run game more effective. Even if Alex Smith just throws the ball Wallace’s way 4 or 5 times a game, Wallace is the type of guy to get 2 touchdowns and 130 yards on 3 receptions. I like picking at the bottom of the draft because someone special always falls, however, Mike Wallace is clearly special.
Wallace doesn't address our biggest need...
I think finding a big physical 3rd down and red zone converting target is a higher priority for this team than a deep threat.
by Mapletreemarty on Feb 23, 2012 6:32 AM PST up reply actions
The offense would still face 8 and 9 man fronts, that is not good for the QB OL, or rb. I would have to disagree.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
With a physical WR we see more slant passes out of a 3 step drop and see some more seperation being created by the WR in single coverage. It still takes time in the pocket to hit your deep threat down the field.
by Mapletreemarty on Feb 23, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Hello, the slant pass is the most tipped pass
In the arsenal, and timing routes on hot reads is not actually a specialty of Smith.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
VD
“I think finding a big physical 3rd down and red zone converting target is a higher priority”
Hi my name is Vernon Davis. I am a big physical 3rd down and red zone target who set the NFL record for TD catches by a TD a few years ago
by What you talking bout Willis on Feb 24, 2012 6:27 AM PST up reply actions
will cost a first round pick to sign him.......................................
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plus
a lot of cash. Don’t see it happening, to large a price tag.
exactly
if we do acquire a receiver through free agency it will be some one who comes cheep, i don’t see the Front office going for a big name receiver when we don’t even know if we will be able to re-sign our own players
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
What happens if the steelers do not have enough room to sign him with his first round tender?
can they tender him if they are at the cap limit?
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If they tender him and he signs with the Steelers than the Steelers are on the hook for that money no matter what since its guaranteed.
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but can they even sign him if they are over the limit?
they are something like 20million over even before the draft. they realistically need to cut 25plus million just to sign their draft picks and be at the salary cap limit. that is alot of money
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
who are they spending it on?
All I know is Ben is overpaid. You can keep that knucklehead happy with funions, mountain dew and a peep show.
by mcwagner on Feb 22, 2012 6:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ben is a rapist, that is all I know.
over paid? yeah. Will he work for a dirty peep show? He sure would.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
alleged rapist
I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 23, 2012 6:46 AM PST up reply actions
Actually, he’s not a rapist. He was never convicted or even charged of anything, despite what you may want to believe.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
indeed...
he is not a convicted rapist. He’s just generally believed to be a scuzzy dude. Or at least was. Maybe getting married got him to clean up his act.
by David Fucillo on Feb 23, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
People believe what they want to despite the evidence in front of them. It’s part of being human.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Deleted video footage, paid off accuser, we have the right to think what we want.
I think he took the butt, why else would a millionaire Jang around underage college chicks? He’s a loser wither way, fat bastard is like the kicker in Oakland, swelling by the second off the beers.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Ben is over paid? That’s funny. He’s a top 5 QB and is being paid like one.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
He is not a top 5 QB. He doesnt win when his running game isnt atop the league and the defense
He’s definitely overpaid.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
Teams don't have to be under the cap till the season starts I think.
So they can tag him and have plenty of time to renegotiate and/or cut players to be under the cap.
ya, but that is alot to cut just to get under and sign their draft picks, let alone sign free agents and let alone they will still probably need some back-ups to sign.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, the Steelers have already cut about 29 million dollars, even though they have only released two players (neither of which were too important). And they still have quite a few veterans who will be cut/restructured. Don’t worry, the Steelers are fine.
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no
Garcon is younger, has better hands, and would come at a cheaper price
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly I want to try and re-sign Brooks and let Rogers walk....
I’m willing to take a shot with Culliver and Brown as our starters
brown, culliver, brock, nelms, holcomb, draft pick.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
the 49ers
are likely to let brooks walk and move harylson over in his place and let #99 play full time on the right side, as mentioned by matt maioco
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
My theory is
that if you can get more pressure on the QB it can make your DB’s look better than they really are. The only reason Brooks didnt have more sacks is because Aldon got there first. Rogers is an average cb who got int’s because the Qb made poor throws produced by the rush. In DC Rogers had a poor pass rush and didn’t get picks. They let him walk because he wasn’t anyone special.
in DC
rogers was in position many times to make picks, he dropped them, that’s why they let him walk, ask the red skins fans they will say he was a great cover corner, but this year he was able to hold on to balls he got his hands on
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
nothing wrong with Rogers at all. We got the Rogers that Washington had been looking for all those years,
Our team took the next step because we got turnovers
created by our pass rush. I think Culliver can be just as effective as Rogers, but our whole D will suffre with out Brooks. With Parys in there we WILL lose a lot of rush
culliver doesn't make picks like rogers does
our turnover ration would go down with out rogers, rogers is years ahead of cully, cully isn’t bad but he has a lot of improving to do before he gets to rogers level
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Think of it like this.
We would be replacing Brooks with Smith and we would be replacing what Smith did with a rookie/FA to come in on the obvious pass plays.
Age
How old is Charles Woodson or Asante Samuel?
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 22, 2012 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
they still play just fine. rogers played like a kid, his career was just rejuvenated. he’s got 3 or 4 good years left.
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 22, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
Woodson plays more of a safety role and 35
Samuel is 31 and was a situational guy last year
what?
rogers has much more value than brooks, our defense would’nt have been as good with out rogers
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
I'm going on age and odds
I have a feeling Rogers is going to hit a wall fast
i don't think so
people worry corners lose their speed with age, but speed isn’t what makes rogers good, he won’t lose anything significant to his game
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
what he may lose in speed, he makes up for with awareness and experience
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 22, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
My concern is that if we lost the pass rush ability of Brooks
can Rogers still be as good not vice versa
yes because we will still have Justin and Aldon
and he him self had a great year
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
One problem about getting Wallace
is whether Alex can actually hit him with the ball on the deep routes. To me Alex doesn’t have the skills that Big Ben has for the vertical throws, at least we haven’t seen it yet.
Wallace won’t help at all if the QB can’t get him the ball.
haha before we got a corner our d was only okay
did you forget brooks started last year and didnt make much of a difference
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
yes sir
you’re not backing up your opinion too well
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
I feel I backed myself up fine its just that no one shares my view
At the end of the day we all want whats best for the team, we just have differing views on how to do it which is cool
i agree with you that pass rush and secondary rely on each other
but losing brooks, we would still have aldon smith and ray mcdonald and justin smith, while if we lost rogers we would have brown cully and brock
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
How about this
I feel Rogers can be replaced by Culliver but I dont think Parys can replace Brooks. Its just an opinion and we should just agree to disagree
this is from an article by matt maiocco in csn related to this topic
The 49ers are not going to pay Brooks big money. The reason is because they already have his replacement at every-down outside linebacker on the roster.
Perhaps you’ve heard of him. He’s a guy who goes by the name Aldon Smith.
In Smith’s second NFL season, the 49ers plan for him to be an every-down player. Smith will work this offseason to get ready to play outside linebacker on base downs. Then, he’ll move to defensive end to rush the passer in nickel situations.
The 49ers believe Parys Haralson can continue in the same role that he filled last season as an outside linebacker on first and second downs to set the edge in the run game.
Haralson, who has been an every-down player in the past, could be an every-down player again in 2012. But he’ll have to win that job. The 49ers will sign a pass-rush specialist in free agency and draft someone who would fill a role similar to what Aldon Smith played last season as a rookie.
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Draft Adrian Hamilton out of Prairie View, pleeeeaaasseee!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 22, 2012 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
this
the guy can get to the QB plus he will show over this week that he has the athletic ability to cover…
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looks like first round pick for olb it is
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
Just throwing this out there
I think Wallace is fantastic. I would prefer him over any other FA. He has the speed and mobility, good hands, and is getting stronger. He is worth the money and the draft pick. I offer a fair deal and put the ball in his court.
i think so too
he fits what we need, it’s just we have so many guys we need to resign, i don’t know if the front office could pull it off with out losing too much
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
its up to Wallace
if he wants to play for cheap, he would stay in Pittsburgh. I would make the offer and see if he surprises me. I don’t throw money at him no matter how much I like him.
hmm
well i sure hope we work something out, he would be a great piece to the offense
by Matthew Cools on Feb 22, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Trade away our first round pick for a future first rounder
Then take Wallace which would only result in giving away a second.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
huh?? I thought it must be a first round tender for Wallace...
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 22, 2012 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
you have a reference?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure that's legal...
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 22, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Nah gotta give up a first round pick.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
it's a first round tender
Not highest pick the team has available that year if it’s not a first.
by David Fucillo on Feb 22, 2012 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Whether it's a good idea to get him or not
This is a great sign. We are finally able to attract top talent to our team again. Hopefully we can parlay that into a run similar to the one we had in the 80s and early 90s.
As for Wallace, I think it’s a good idea. While we will have to give up a draft pick and pay him more than a UFA, he isn’t coming out of his prime like V-Jax or Reggie Wayne, doesn’t have character concerns like D-Jax, and is simply better than Bowe and Stevie Johnson.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 22, 2012 5:01 PM PST reply actions
I'm confused
if he’s a FA why would we have to give up a first round pick for him?
by MattSFfrd on Feb 22, 2012 6:09 PM PST via Android app reply actions
restricted free agent: i.e. less than four years of service
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
need four years of service to be unrestricted free agent
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 22, 2012 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
Why is everybody arguing to be right?
Can’t we all just get along…? :-D
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by Kittles on Feb 22, 2012 9:22 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Hopefully niners smarter than that and not go with wallace
the front office has shown they can draft good and would rather go with that
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Especially that 60 Minutes thingy he used to do.
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Giving up a 1st
Plus handing out a huge contract is too much for any receiver not named Megatron or Fitzgerald.
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Not at the 30th pick and not at 7 mil per. I dont think he would demand a HUGE deal like Jackson or Bowe.
I guess the combine will say a lot.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
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