2011 49ers Grades: Carlos Rogers
Over the past couple weeks, I've made my preference pretty clear when it comes to which free agents are more important than the others. While I'm a fan of Dashon Goldson and what he brings to the table, I'm not a fan of overpaying for mistake-laden football in between the big hits and interceptions simply because he's a bit younger than another player at a more important position. That's right - cornerback is infinitely more important than safety, and a top-tier corner has always been more valuable, unless your name is Ed Reed or Troy Polalamamlamlalalalaualualu or however that fellow with the hair spells it.
That being said, we're not here to make a comparison (even though I just did), especially not between players at different positions. What we're to do is grade Carlos Rogers based on his performance in 2011. Rogers came to the 49ers after Nate Clements was let go to pursue other options and to free the 49ers of his unwieldy contract. After being in on the Nnamdi Asomugha sweepstakes for a short while, the 49ers seemingly "settled" on Rogers.
He turned out to play much, much better than Asomugha, whether you blame the latter's screwups on the terrible defensive staff in Philadelphia or just him regressing. That being said, the 49ers went with Rogers on a one-year deal, when he couldn't lock up a longer one elsewhere. They gave him a middling contract and he was immediately put into the No. 1 slot.
Some questioned that placement, mostly because he couldn't snare an interception to save his life. Or at least, that was the consensus when he played with the Washington Redskins. The guy was rarely heard of around the league, but that's both a good thing and a bad thing. How many highlight reels did you see of Rogers picking off an interception? Not many. How many lowlight reels did you see of Rogers getting beat badly en route to a thrilling TD by the opposing team? Also not many.
If you asked a Redskins fan how he felt about Rogers, it was either someone talking about how he was decent in coverage or someone talking about how they wanted to crucify him for his missed opportunities. You can run a quick Google search and find multiple forums with fans talking about how much they hate him for dropping a game-sealing interception.
One thing I really like is how the readers here at Niners Nation handled the signing. We were just teased Asomugha and then treated to a guy who, by most accounts, would disappoint in the end. That's rough. But a lot of you (I don't remember my stance, but I'm pretty sure I liked the signing initially) took the signing with decent enough expectations. The prevailing thought seemed to be "better than Nate Clements," and it turned out much better for us than expected.
Rogers came in and immediately shut down receivers. He had some poor games, including the first half of the game against the New York Giants in the playoffs - that one hurt. He adjusted at the half and shut down Victor Cruz from then on out though, and should be commended for that. In short, you can say he did his job in that game when the going got tough. It was lost through other means.
Anyway, Rogers was covering like a mad man - often on a team's most versatile or fastest receiver, despite a lack of top end speed. He just beat them with superior positioning, and was one of the best man coverage corners in the NFL. The biggest plus? Rogers suddenly figured out that he has to, you know, secure his fingers around the football so it stays in his hand.
This shocking revelation led to many picks at important times and generally did a lot to make what really is a generally weak 49ers secondary seem a lot less so. The 49ers have nothing after Rogers, and it's my belief that they absolutely need him next season to have a chance to do the same kind of thing they did this past season. I think he had a fantastic season with the change of scenery and I don't see that changing with another year. You can go ahead and make of that what you will, but the voting is up to you!
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Although, I think of him as the most overrated free agent of the Niners. Do not care to see him back. Our staff played a huge part in his development at 30. Id take a different FA or draft two cbs!!
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rlott again with a good post
If he would legitimately come back at a “hometown discount” i would want him back, as in like 3-4 million a year for 2 years. Not the 6-8 or more he’ll probably want per year in a 3-5 year deal.
Much better option to get a CB in the draft and/or go for one in FA like Brandon Carr
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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 29, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly. Guy is worth $6-8m/yr
And that’s a steep discount. Here’s to hoping he wants a super bowl.
by asmithisaverage on Mar 1, 2012 7:46 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, that's it...
draft two unproven corner backs and let them start over a seasoned veteran cornerback with a great confidence-building year behind him and a full year of dedication to the defensive playbook. Not to mention the most dominant front seven in the game with which he has chemistry. Offer Rogers a two year contract and run with it.
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This.
No rookie will play as good as he did last year.
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by Blank x2 on Feb 29, 2012 6:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Hilarious, we wouldnt be starting a rookie in any other position but the slot.
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He has chemistry with the front 7? With yhat front 7, pressure will always be the case
And that is why I say trade him. Over the years I’ve seen steelers corners and ravens corners, aside from McCallister, become highly overrated. Rogers did nothing in the playoffs to demand his asking price, let him go, unless its a cheap deal, I just doubt the deal is cheap.
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'...nothing in the playoffs...'
shutting down Cruz the entire second half of NFCCG…epic pass defensed against the Saints…
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by Kittles on Feb 29, 2012 9:17 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
rogers got torched in the first half
He was perfect in the second half as was the rest of the secondary
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Given your name, I would have thought you understood schemes
Btw, which CB shutdown Victor Cruz this year? Hint: the answer is none
by asmithisaverage on Mar 1, 2012 7:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Given hour name, I probably shouldnt argur any football with you.
I seen a man in the slot plus a zone, and Rogers was manned on Cruz, and did worst than our rookie cb, why the hell would I prefer you pay that guy 8 mil per season, when the pass rush made them all look good?
"YOU ARE THE FATHER" -Maury P.
Actually my name proves I do know what I am talking about
And you seem very much on an anti-probowl cb rant fir reasons unknown (except for attacking him for a bad strat by the DC) If Alex Smith was a probowler I guess this might be more equivalent.
by asmithisaverage on Mar 2, 2012 10:08 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
There were times when the pressure was nil
And the pass defense did its job. Kinda scary how quickly we forget.
by asmithisaverage on Mar 1, 2012 7:50 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
He went to zone
Culliver is good but he wasn’t 1v1 on Cruz. It was a scheme change, not a personell replacement. Not sure why you want to mislead.
by asmithisaverage on Mar 2, 2012 10:10 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Disagree.
He was always a good cover corner in DC and the reason his hands were so much better this season is because he had Lasik surgery when he got here.
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Still dont want him. There is a vicous pass rush here= CB plug n play.
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He wasn't remotely close to being the CB there...
…that he is here. No comparison. Lasik no doubt explains some of that, but so does our pass rush.
I wish he were a bit younger...but hey he made the Pro-Bowl
Im really hopefull the 9ers and Carlos can come to a Win/Win contract
I mean how many years has it been since the 9ers had a Pro-Bowler roaming our secondary….but again, I do wish Carlos was a bit younger in age.
And not happy at all that the freak’en Seahawks appears to have the BEST secondary in the NFC West….not us!
My last attempt at talking the estimable Mr Brady down from the ledge.
“often on a team’s most versatile or fastest receiver” – This isn’t true. He played left cornerback in the base defense and played the slot in nickel and dime. That’s how the niners’ defense worked, they pretty much lined up the same way every game regardless of who they played.
“The 49ers have nothing after Rogers” – If this is your belief then it would explain why you’ve been banging the drum for his resigning. I disagree, Tarrell Brown played well, especially down the stretch and Culliver was very good for a rookie. Considering that Culliver only transitioned to cornerback in his final year in college (and he missed a large chunk of that year as a result of an injury) I think he looked like a good prospect. Throw in Tremaine Brock, who only lost playing time due to injury and had been playing well and it becomes hard to agree with your statement that the niners have nothing after Rogers.
Goldson is three years younger, that’s more than ‘a bit’ and they’re an important three years. Football Outsiders have done some decent research and players at most positions being to decline significantly after 30.
I’d love the niners to bring back Rogers on a three year deal for reasonable money, about $6 million per year but I think he’ll want much more than that and it just doesn’t make sense for a player on the downside of his career.
by Karl Cuba on Feb 29, 2012 5:27 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
+1
Rogers is valuable, sure, but this defense is designed to take the pressure off the secondary, and does not require great CB play to be effective. In the base 3-4 look, or on about 60% of plays, CBs get safety help over the top, with all-pro LBs taking away any run-reads and tackling responsibilities they might have. Honestly, 40 CBs could perform just as well as Rogers in the base 3-4 defense.
Where Rogers was most valuable was in nickel, where he was matched one-on-one against the slot receiver. 90% of the time, he won. That definitely helps the team, but if Rogers walks, its not like the team would implode. They would still have a great base defense, and they would just have to hope that Culliver, Brown, or a new addition can handle nickel responsibilities. I have faith that Fangio and Harbaugh could figure it out before the start of the season.
totally agree
I’m also of the opinion that, while we can definitely win now (as we have shown this year), the first time our team’s showing signs of becoming relevant again in about a decade is not the time to cash in the farm for one (admittedly good, but very high risk) cornerback. not saying the situation is the same or even too similar, but CLEARLY the niners have had bad experiences with signing cornerbacks to expensive deals after a single pro bowl season.
the future’s clearly in the rookies. i’m firmly of the belief that culliver’s starting next year. he had too good of a rookie season (after being quite raw and new to the position) not to. the second corner i think will be found in this year’s draft. it’s just a hunch of mine, but it seems like there are some really good cb’s this year and baalke will probably be tempted by that. i mean at 30 you definitely just take BPA imo. unless there’s another really sweet hidden gem that baalke has pulled some black voodoo magic to find.
Voyed Nine , but be willing to pony that up to a Ten , if he sign's a Team friendly 3 year deal ...!!
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8 For Carlos
He may not be great, but he fits well with the 49er defense. And I like his attitude.
Agent Dunham....Walternate testified that in his universe, AleX Smith is a pro-bowl QB for the Saints, and broke Trent Dilfer's season record of 6000 yards passing. Walter....Thats nice, more LSD please.
With Brooks now locked up, CB will probably be their first pick in the draft if Rogers does leave. Probably draft another in the middle rounds as well.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Feb 29, 2012 6:17 PM PST reply actions
Intimidating Seahawks Secondary....
Rate our secondary compared to these guys (monsters) ?
Hawks: (look at the Size of these dudes!)
C.B. (Pro-Bowler) Brandon Browner 6-4 / 221 lbs !
C.B. Richard Sherman 6-3 / 199 lbs
Nickle C.B Marcus Trufant 5-11 / 197
Safety (Pro-Bowler) Earl Thomas 5-10 / 205 lbs
Safety (Pro-Bowler) Kam Chancellor 6-3 / 235 lbs !
Safety Atari Bigby 5-11 / 215 lbs.
I've been thinking about this.
The Seahawks have clearly tried to create a new trend of CB’s, the big guys who can matchup with bigger receivers. To combat this, it might be wise to get smaller faster receivers.
Stay out of my territory
Or....we draft bigger & faster WR's than the defenders
Those Draftee WR’s Hill & Streeter come to mind. Incrediable speed & size!
Hawks may have a better secondary but we have the BEST front 7 in nfl and they will make mediocre dbs look great. I do think rogers will be back after he tests free agency
by ajc23727 on Mar 1, 2012 5:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Does every one of your articles have to bash Goldson?
Well maybe not “bash”, but there’s definitely a trend
I'd give him an 8.
His results would have earned a 10, but I suspect there were some plays where he would have got burnt if not for our pass rush making him look better than he is.
Stay out of my territory
We're not re-signing Carlos, are we?
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One can tell from his interviews he is a very smart defensive player and he is a leader for this team.
He also has that versatility to match up against different receiving threats which is invaluable. Lastly, I would love to see him return because he can cover the deep ball as well as any cornerback in the league and won’t commit PI. He has mastered that aspect of his game and showed it consistently this season against guys like Desean Jackson and others. He isn’t a perfect player and didn’t shut down Cruz but nobody can shut down every player 100% of the time. I voted 10 for Rogers.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Feb 29, 2012 10:05 PM PST reply actions
Wow, that was a fabricated assessment.
Rogers while good, was a beneficiary to the front seven. He was toast vs Cruz, and the Eagles game was an out of sink Eagles offense, although the front 7 were like cancer after that OL and QB. When the playoffs came up he makes two plays vs the Saints and none vs the Giants, why overpay for that playoff performance?
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I don't care how out of sync they were. Rogers stuck with DJax step for step down the field and picked off a bomb that was thrown on a dime.
I never said overpay for him to come back, but I don’t think his loss would be something to brush off. There are few players that have what he can bring to the table.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Mar 1, 2012 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
And speaking of fabricated assessments.....
Vick had a career high 416 yards passing that game. What about that stat tells you Philly’s offense was “out of sync”?
by SanFranciscoKnights on Mar 1, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Rogers is a solid corner
and does not get burned too often. No corner in the league can cover a WR 100% of the times, everybody have to give something up. Rogers has skills position and he can adjust just fine during the game when needed. I very much hope he’s re-signed!
Regardless if you think he should come back or not
How can you not give him a 10 this year. The Dallas game is the only mistake I can think of if that was even him. He could not of had a better year if he tried. 10.
quick correction
T brown was mostly guarding the teams fastest wrs and Chris culliver shut down Cruz in the second half they took rogers off him completely. I’m know rodgers advocate by any means just wanted to point that out
by RBoogy29 on Mar 1, 2012 5:16 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Rodgers will be allowed to test the market
now that Brooks has been re-signed and the team is in serious talks with Goldson. This does not mean Rodgers will not be with the team in 2012, but it’s likely they don’t view him as the long-term solution.
Stephon Gilmore will probably be available late in Round 1 …
I give him a 10
He was one of the top 2 or 3 CBs in football last year according to the stats.
That said, I stand by what said before. Our secondary was set up by our pass rush all year, and Carlos Rogers benefited immensely from that. We should be very leery of overpaying to keep him.
Rogers and Finnegan
With the announcement that Finnegan will be allowed to test FA, if the price was right for both it seems Finnegan would be a good mirror to Rogers on the other side of the field.

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