If Peyton Manning is a free agent, do the 49ers go after him?
So with the lead up to the Superbowl everyone has been talking about what will happen in Indy. No, not with who will win but what will happen to Manning, the better one. In the next month, the Colts are going to have to make a pretty tough decision on what to do with Peyton Manning. And whatever is decided is leaving a lot of teams salivating at potentially landing the future Hall of Famer. Lets break it down.
- Colts have the #1 pick this year and have already stated they are taking Andrew Luck.
- Manning is coming off his 1st season from his gi-normous contract that makes him richer than all of the people on this message board combined. A season spent on the injured list. Adding insult to injury, he is due a bonus payout of $28million in March. The Colts have an opt out clause that would make him a Free Agent, unrestricted and get them off the hook for that $28million.
So why does this matter? Like all NFL teams, they are a business. They are trying to put together a team to win the Superbowl, which sells tickets, merchandise etc.
Here is the dilemma and the options:
Option 1) Keep Manning, stay competitive next year and installing your next prospective legacy QB. Luck will learn from Manning (even better) and continue your dominance in a division that up until this year hasn't had much competition (Yes, the Texans are on the rise).
Option 2) Keep Manning and trade him to the highest bidder and use your draft picks to rebuild.
Option 3) Release Manning, save $28 million, build your team around draft picks and the boatload of cash you suddenly have on the books.
Now, if you are a devote Colts fan the options are pretty clear. Option 1 is the only imaginable one. Manning revitalized the Colts. If healthy, he is debate-ably the best skilled QB in the league (Rodgers this season has made a case). Spend the money and keep this franchise relevant and dominant for the next decade. This would be the best way to be competitive for the forseeable future because as we have seen, even with a defunct defense and mediocre/sometimes slightly above mediocre running game, Manning alone makes your team playoff competitive assuming you have a competent coach who is smart enough to let Manning do what he does or has the offensive mind to beat out teams.
Now, from the business perspective and as a third person looking in, I can see why releasing Manning or
trading him would be enticing. $28 million alone is good to sign 4-5 quality younger veteran players who can
improve areas that need improving. And as we saw with the Colts last year, there are a LOT of positions that need
improving. Trading I think would be less beneficial just because they would still be on the hook for the bonus.
There is a lot more that can be mentioned but for simplicity I am going to say how this affects the 49ers.
Should the 49ers make a play for Manning? As far fetched as that sounds. Manning with Harbaugh's QB minded strategy and the arsenal weapons at their disposal and the #1 defense in the league from last year. It boggles the mind of the of potential. However, it would require doing some shady and screwd business or would it?
Alex Smith, in my opinion, has earned a chance back next year based on improvement and potential on having a full off season to work with Harbaugh and staff. That is the fair thing to do. But the NFL isn't about being polite and fair (beyond conduct rules). If the goal is to win, and Peyton Manning is available and gives your team the best chance to win the superbowl next year, do you pull the trigger? The 49ers organization is NOT bound to Alex Smith, at least not technically. Alex Smith is a Unrestricted Free Agent. His one year contract is done. He has come forward and said he wants to be back next year. But do the 49ers want him back if they can land someone like Manning? The 49ers owe it to Alex Smith, but creating the best team to win isn't about what you owe to players. Its about putting the team first and building the best team to compete.
Knowing the type of organization the 49ers are, this isn't even a remote possibility, it is too proud of an organization to backhand Alex Smith like that. But still on the 0.000001% chance it could happen, it doesn't hurt to talk about it. Larry Fitzgerald and others are looking at that possibility, Fitz even going so far to try and recruit Manning to come to Arizona to play. So that is the other side of the coin, if the 49ers don't act on it, a rival team could. Someone say like the Seahawks and/or Cardinals. Pair Manning with Fitzgerald seems like a thing you could only do in a Madden game but the reality of it is scary. Manning teamed with Marshawn Lynch, Sidney Rice and a decent Defense also seems threatening. So I will ask, if you were Trent Baalke, do you make a play for Manning if he is available and healthy? In doing so, that automatically makes Alex Smith gone since im sure he wouldn't want to be a backup. If they got both of them that would be ideal but unlikely. Kaepernick would also feel slighted by that.
Should the 49ers make a play for Manning, assuming he is healthy? Can you see Manning in red and white and finishing his career as a 49er?
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it is too proud of an organization to backhand Alex Smith like that
If the niners are too “proud” to upgrade the QB position at Smith’s expense, this franchise is pathetic. But since I don’t find that to be true, I think the Niners are going to bring Smith back because the Manning play is too risky for them while far-fetched and other options may be a bit pricey.
NO, and I have been a Manning fan a long time.
We would have to give up too much for him and I sense that he and Harbaugh would not co-exist on the same field well.
Perfect solution is to sign Smith for 3 years max and work in and develope kid K. He is our future QB.
Now if Manning wanted to hang out in paradise for peanuts and pal around will Harbaugh…different story…..but Mannings future potential is as a coach and this is not a place with that vacancy in the near future.
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 5, 2012 10:49 AM PST reply actions
I say this in every thread about Manning.
Him and Harbaugh won’t get along. Their egos are too big to give up offensive control to one or the other. It’s drama waiting to happen, and the whole thing is a pipe dream regardless. Manning will be too expensive.
don't know where you come up with this stuff
about a coach and QB not being able to coexist because of egos. Second, as if Manning had a choice, Manning said he would do a deal where there is little guaranteed money and incentives based on games played. Dare I say no team will mortgage their present and future with a multi-year, largely guaranteed deal. I figue he’ll get a 1 or 2 yr deal loaded with incentives with a relatively low base salary. That’s not a risk, if he’s healthy, it’s a no-brainer. Especially when your current QB is Alex Smith set to make in the vicinity of $10 million per.
Harbaugh wants control of his offense. Peyton has had control of his offense
for forever and will want it to stay that way.
He’s not coming here, move on and deal with it.
egos
they both want to win. They are both competitors. I can see it possibly being an issue but I also kind of feel that stuff is worked out if he comes to visit SF. He will ask how does your play style run and Manning will know whether or not he is comfortable with Harbaugh. Also Manning has a season’s worth of playcallings to see if that is a system he feels comfortable with
If Harbaugh is that anal about controlling the offense, he needs to let it go.
The offense continued to be inept.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
lol "ego"
Harbaugh ego is so big that he gave a arrogant acceptance speak for his coach of the year award; what is your next fallacy?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 5, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
Are you implying Harbaugh doesn't have a big ego?
I hope you’re not.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Feb 6, 2012 8:09 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Its not so much an ego thing with those two as a control thing.
I
figue he’ll get a 1 or 2 yr deal loaded with incentives with a relatively low base salary. That’s not a risk,
If Manny was willing to do all that with the 49ers it would be hard to say no….If I was Manning and willing to do that with a great team in need of an elite QB …well the Niners do fit the bill…thing is if he is willing to do that and his health includes proof that his arm is close to OK then there would be a feeding frenzy for him and the Colts would either keep or trade him for value…
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 6, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
True but they are still eating the cost of 28 million bonus they will owe him in March unless they do a trade before March.
No
They can’t trade him before.
It’s either pay him and then trade him and watch 28 million go down the toilet, or cut him.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
If the Colts are smart
They’ll save themselves the 28 million, use the amazing amount of cap room they’ll get by parting with Peyton to be active in FA — both bringing back their own good players and bringing in some other young pieces — and take Andrew Luck with the first pick.
Then move on. The Peyton era can’t last forever, you don’t get a shot at an already developed QB like this but once in a decade if that, and you can’t have both Luck and Manning without selling off even more talent than you already have.
Move on.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
the colts should dump everyone over 30 years old and go big for the draft. They do not have much in younger players but have plenty of mid 30 year old players.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 5, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Fully agree
Don’t do anything by halves. If you are at the end of an era go ahead and put all your resources into the next one.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
if they do not cut them they will end up on IR anyways. lol
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 5, 2012 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
It doesn't hurt to keep some veteran leadership around.
Dumping everyone over 30 seems like overkill to me.
Well I wouldn't cut them all summarily like HUNTER
But I would let them walk once they hit FA or dangle them as trade bait. Freeney, Wayne, Saturday — those guys aren’t going to be around by the time you are realistically looking at playoffs again.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
I'd want to keep Saturday.
As far as I can tell, he’s still a serviceable center and keeps continuity on a line that gets criticised for subpar play. Veteran lineman like him can be very valuable to a young team.
And Wayne is an UDFA anyway, but if I were the Colts, I’d bring him back. He produced a good year last year considering his awful QB play, and he probably won’t be very expensive. I’d let Freeney go considering they may be changing schemes.
Probably right on Saturday
I’d be interested to know what schemes they are considering. Staying with the Tampa 2 might be safe for as little talent as they have or maybe they want one of the many flavors of 3-4.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
They hired Manusky. I assume they're wanting to swap to 3-4.
Don’t really have the personnel right now, however. I figure they’ll stick with what they have for a year or so and slowly transition and find player right for the 3-4.
Yeah that's why I'm puzzled
Switching immediately to a 34 without any personnel is a huge disaster waiting to happen. Gotta get the right pieces in place.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
They hired Manusky because Luck is going back to School and they'll have to suck for Luck all over again ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
If they were really smart they'd trade back and let Cleveland have Andrew Leaf
Get the front half of their draft for this year and the next then continue to trade back from #4 to the Bungles who would probably love to have whoever is left out of Kalil or Blackmon and stockpile a ton of young talent. Suck again next year and then get Barkley, Tyler Bray or Jones if he irons out the kinks.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
When Luck doesn't suck
Will you at least have the decency to admit you were wrong?
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Feb 6, 2012 8:12 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Andrew Leaf is disgusting
Luck is superior to Leaf on so many levels this comparison is gag-worthy. Not to mention his attitude is not even halfway concerning.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
The former Colts GM that got canned obviously agreed with me. I'm not the only one that thinks this.
It’s just our opinion doesn’t fit with the narrative that will make the league a ton of money by uber-hyping a guy.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 6, 2012 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
The Colt have a history of being smart.
Although many of those smart people have left recently.
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 6, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Fully agree, aside from taking Luck #1 overall.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
if the Giants win the SB today
does that make Eli “the better one”?
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
I think Peyton stays on top
I can see some arguments for Eli, but I think Peyton has done more with less at times. The Colts struggled with personnel in recent years in part b/c they thought they could ride Manning a little longer.
by David Fucillo on Feb 5, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Eli has never had a season anywhere near as good as Peyton's best.
Peyton wasn’t very clutch, but he still got a ring. Eli is in no way, shape, or form even close to Manning during his prime just because of having another Super Bowl ring.
A better question would be if Eli will out peform Peyton next year.
yes
Peyton has had the better, more consistently dominant career. The “SB rings” argument for who is the better QB is tired and nonsensical. It’s as if they’re tennis or golf players and have no teammates and completely dictate the the championships they win.
Agree
Peyton is the more talented QB in terms of skills. Eli is no slouch but to say he is better than Peyton as a QB I don’t know. But winning the superbowl isn’t about who is the more talented QB, its a team game. And in my opinion NY Giants defense for the last decade and for a lot of their history has had a solid defense.
Maybe
But isn’t that why most of us put Montana as the top QB of all time?
Montana had elite regular season stats to go with his rings.
Eli, at this point in his career, does not.
I was just asking what other people thought
I don’t necessarily think that, I just wanted to gauge others opinions on the matter.
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
And Jim Kelly is the best one of all.
He led the Bills to the Super Bowl not once…not twice…not thrice…but fourice! In a row!
Oh wait, rings? Nevermind…
Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....
Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB
will be a very good argument.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 5, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
When you look at Mannings and Bradys careers as well as Aaron Rodgers play......
Well Eli isnt really that elite….
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 6, 2012 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
Eli/Peyton
Eli has had the benefit of having a good or strong defense every year he has played. The Colts defense hasn’t been good for a while and the last time they were they won the Superbowl. And even that year they weren’t great they just had a lot of playmakers.
Yea the Giants 17th ranked D in 07
and 27th ranked D this year carried Manning all the way!! Lol you guys are one bitter group!
FIRE Perry Fewell
by bleedblue12 on Feb 6, 2012 6:22 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Ranked how?
If you’re using yards then it’s meaningless. For example we give up yards quite easily but getting points out of those yards is quite a bit more difficult.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
The Giants D was elite in the playoffs as well.
It’s obvious they were playing leaps and bounds above where they were in the regular season. I don’t know why a Giants fan would try and deny it or claim we’re just being bitter.
making an observation isn't being bitter
The Giants D stepped it up twords the end of the season and kicked it into a higher gear in the playoffs. He didn’t say that Manning wasn’t a great QB at all. Are you always this touchy and defensive?
Ah, the two-game wonder
Just as likely to be Adrian Burk than Aaron Rodgers. Would love to see what happens when teams get more game film on him.
not at all
this guy has been waiting in the wings for years now. he’s just as NFL ready as anybody else.
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
If Manning can pass a physical, of course you acquire him. I can't even believe people actually say no.
If he were to come here it won’t be for Money and it won’t require the highest paid NFL salary. Peyton takes a HUGE paycut and Alex is retained, and Alex can work on his mechanics for a season and then be the player we have always hoped, he would still be 28.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I agree
We should go for him, but how do you know Alex Smith would resign with the 49ers if Manning is here? Alex Smith feels like he is a starter and signing someone else, he might take it as a slap to the face for what he has achieved this year. And then theres Kaepernick.
If he is signed first, its a done deal. He couldnt leave Harbaugh.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
One thing to think about...
Peyton’s agent? Tom Condon.
Alex’s agent? Tom Condon.
Could make things awkward.
Could, but Alex has no leverage for big bucks.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Didn't say he had leverage, just a shared agent.
But I can’t imagine a similar situation where an agent had two clients potentially in competition for one job.
richer than all of the people on this message board combined
yes…yes of course…
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 7, 2012 10:30 AM PST reply actions
the question we should be asking
Is why would Manning want to come here? He’s not a mobile QB and is coming back from a major injury. If I were him, I wouldn’t want to come here and get killed. That’s why Hasselbeck didn’t want to come here. Any QB playing here is going to take a beating.
Especially those that arent good pre snap....oh wait, Mannings great pee snap.
He has never had a great line, he has had 3 good lineman in indy
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I know it was a typo and I'm super immature but LOL
Mannings great pee snap.
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
He actually did have a pretty good pass protecting O-Line
Tarik Glenn is better than people remember and Jeff Saturday has been one of the best pass pro centers in the league for a long time.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
My simple answer: No.
Alex Smith went from "We Want Carr!" to "The Run" and "The Catch 3."
SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS: WORLD CHAMPIONS!
Jim Harbaugh and Alex Smith are our future!
Giants Baseball: Torture. It hurts so good.
Heck no.
No way, not going to happen, shouldn’t happen, definitely not, are you nuts, etc…
Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....
Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB

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