Where is the faith in Chilo Rachal?
by Ougadas on Feb 5, 2012 1:47 PM PST
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PrintTo start I want to say that this is partly tongue in cheek poking fun at ourselves and partly to open up a discussion on a topic that hasn't seen much talk.
Since the season ended, it seems like all we have is faith and hope for the next one. That somehow we can solve the problems that plagued us all year so we can make it to the Super Bowl in 2012 and everything will be happy and fine and wonderful.
And that faith is getting spread out all over the team.
We have faith in Harbaugh to get this play-call by committee mess sorted out.
We have faith in Alex Smith to keep carrying the torch until we can do better at QB than "isn't that bad anymore".
We have faith that Vernon Davis will become a consistent nightmare for opposing defenses instead of being hot and cold.
We have faith that Michael Crabtree will develop in his 4th year to be somewhere close to reasonable expectations for a 1st round receiver.
We have faith that Trent Baalke will make the right moves to bring in young talent both in the draft and free agency.
We have faith that Anthony Davis still has potential to play tackle in this league.
We have faith that the defense and special teams can continue their dominant play and keep us competitive through a gauntlet of the leagues most explosive offenses next year.
All together we have enough faith to launch a crusade -- or at least a decent flame war or two.
But not one single person on Niners Nation has expressed any faith in Chilo Rachal.
It seems kind of odd to me that a power running team would give up so easily on a guard that can dominate in the running game like Chilo can. Now it's true that he's a revolving door when it comes to pass protection. He doesn't recognize his responsibilities when there is a blitz and that usually leads to a quick sack.
But everyone else gets a "wait until they have a full off-season under the new staff, miracles will be had by all" excuse -- why not Chilo?
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people only have faith in alex smith everyone else is garbage!
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 5, 2012 1:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
this post is about chilo
there are plenty of posts about Smith
you are my official troll!
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 6, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
not my fault that you're obsessed with the guy
But I should stop feeding you
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 6, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
but you calling someone a troll is hilarious
Since you try to derail every thread into a rant about alex.
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 6, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
yes, it is and i posted about chilo
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 6, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Well....
to answer it seriously, most everybody else showed signs of progress and seemed to have confidence from the coaching staff. Alex took a step forward, Crabtree took a step forward, Vernon started slow but moved in the right direction and ended on a huge note. Chilo? Not so much.
by David Fucillo on Feb 5, 2012 2:16 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
This
I didn’t need to see him become an all-pro immediately, but I did need to see consistent movement forward, and signs towards the end of the season that he was getting it.
I saw this from Crabtree for the last few games, albeit not in the playoffs.
I was concerned about VD for a lot of the season, but he was a monster in the playoffs.
As to Chilo, I legitimately don’t know. I DO know that this is a draft that is deep in interior line talent, and that we will have the opportunity to draft several guys who could be day one starters in either round 1 or 2.
Rachal leaves me scratching my head, cause I can’t make heads or tails of the guy. I would be EXTREMELY curious to know what Harbaugh thinks of him, though I don’t think he’d ever say publicly.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Feb 6, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
I remember fans still defending Chilo during midseason 09 through 2010.
I was calling him terrible player who’d never amount to anything back then. Boy was I right.
One of those times you wish you weren’t in a position to tell people I told you so.
We've seen flashed of brilliance from other players...
Chilo is a lazy bum man. False start master.
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
False start master?
Really? Because he’s only been called for 2 false start penalties his whole career.
You're joking, right?
His horrid play is why there is no faith. Not every player is salvagable.
by Liquid Pantyhose on Feb 5, 2012 7:54 PM PST reply actions
Your points are valid
But every time I read your posts, I see the handle you post under, and I have trouble taking you seriously. I suspect that does not take you by surprise. :)
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Feb 6, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Chilo is awful.
He doesn’t move his feet when pass blocking and defenders just run right around him. He’s a decent run blocker but that’s not enough.
Agree
The thing is, that’s coachable. I also notice that Iupati plays with poor leverage, and only gets away with it because he’s massively strong.
I am wondering if we will see a change in offensive line coaching over the offseason- I see a lot of technique issues that are the sort of things good coaches fix.
That said, I still don’t know that Chilo is ever going to turn into a quality all-around player.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Feb 6, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
There is a reason to believe to some extent any of the compared situations can change
Alex with an absolutely inferior line to Brady put up the same number of points and didn’t throw a completely unforced interception or take a bad safety. He definitely outplayed Rodgers and his superior offensive line and receiving corps.
Crabtree has been at least passable.
Chilo is so bad he would get released from practice squads.
Gimme 1 round!
With Bradys numbers the niners win.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Oh with 2 TDs 1 Int and a bad safety the Niners win?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
More completions, more first downs, then your bottom comment makes sense.
That wasn’t a safety in my opinion.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
The pass sailed over the path a wr had taken, he was hit when he threw the ball making it a very inaccurate pass.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
That's cute
You still have to get it near a receiver and it wasn’t remotely close. The WR was running a crossing pattern lol…
thats what I was saying he was hit as he threw that can change where the ball lands
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
He wasn't hit till the ball was out if memory serves
He just winged it out there and prayed it was close. Safety.
WWJHD?
As NoDak says, he got the ball out cleanly. Secondly, who gets sacked and throws the ball and extra 30 yards??
extra 30?
That’s an exaggeration
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
If it is... Only by about 5 yards.
The thing landed 25 yards from the nearest Pat
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
efficiency wins games
it definitely will with our defense.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
With Brady's line Alex throws for 3 and the Niners win handily
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
DESPITE Kyle Williams turning the ball over twice
Brady didn’t even have to overcome anything. But he couldn’t get it done again.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
The last 2 drives aren't on Brady
His receivers couldn’t catch. They probably ice the game if Welker catches the ball around the Giant’s 20. Then the 2 drops to start the last drive put them too far out with not enough time.
That pass to Welker was horrible. Call a spade a spade.
That is a fantastic catch if Welker makes it. If Alex threw that pass all of Ninersnation including myself would say it was a horrible pass and Alex’s fault.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 6, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
that's what bugs me the most with some of the people on here
the double standard with judging Alex compared to other QBs
Hot him in the hands didnt it?
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Both of them
He should have caught it
WWJHD?
Cause after it went over the complete wrong shoulder
He flipped his hips around and jumped while in backpedal and continued rotating in the air. There was a damn good effort just to touch it. Crabtree wouldn’t even have attempted. He’d have thrown his hands up in the air and people on here would have thrown a fit about Alex being inaccurate.
Hell Brady wasn’t even pressured on the throw.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 6, 2012 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
Hit him in the hands. How the hell do you think the world of Smith and complain about that throw?
Total BS, nothing more or less. It hit him in the HANDS.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
and a lot of people on this site have complained about passes from smith
that hit the receiver in the hands. He’s correct about the double standard around here
Tell me you really beleive he'd have made as much of an effort as Welker
I sure don’t.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Alex Smith throws a bomb to Crab in double coverage
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
Isnt that what I said?
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Hyperbole!
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 6, 2012 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
While I chuckled at this, a lot of the faith here is well founded in my opinion
- Baalke’s first draft as our official GM was one of the best drafts in franchise history. And it wasn’t just a bunch of no-brainer picks, they went with a lot of unorthodox/surprise choices that had a lot of people here calling for his head.
- I have faith that they’ll improve 3rd downs after seeing how they improved our red zone woes. Following the disaster in Arizona, they switched to practicing against the first team D and the red zone percentage increased pretty handily.
- Crabtree was a big reason the team locked up the second seed. He stepped up big time during the regular season from the Detroit game on. Bailed the team out up in Seattle, among other plays/games. No reason to not be hopeful that, assuming he does finally have a full training camp with the team, he won’t continue to improve.
- Faith in the D and ST because while the turnover ratio might regress, the basic principles and schemes underlying everything should continue to work. Willis, Justin, Aldon, and company aren’t flukes. Seeley’s still here so there’s no reason ST should fall apart either.
All that faith is grounded in some reality.
Chilo though? Simple eye test concludes he sucks.
I think you mentioned the Dilemma yourself
earlier in the season Ougadas.
With Snyder in place, Anthony Davis looks capable and at times like his potential could develop too. So Synder improves pass protection vs Chilo and improves another player.
Chilo unfortunately brings great run game but play also things disolve around him as well as his own weakness. My feeling is that if he is prepared to come back at the right price, Harbaugh would consider giving him the opportunity to improve his game. Otherwise I think all round lack of faith is understandable.
So I did, so I did.
And it’s still the same. With Chilo in we can blow open holes between the guards, but passing is a coin flip for a sack. With Snyder in we can’t open the holes but we can pass.
It’s a big reason I think we need to upgrade the guard position and try to retain Snyder as a backup. If some magic does happen and Chilo could become a decent pass protector I wouldn’t be opposed to bringing him back to compete for the job — if like you say he would come back cheap.
But I don’t see that happening either.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
I can actually see Chilo
taking the cut price contract.
Not because I believe he is the character kinda guy Alex Smith is but because I am not sure there are many NFL offenses where he is going to get a look in. Could be wrong, the run hasn’t completely vanished in this era but the Niners might just represent the best shot at a career turn around.
Still like to see what we have in Kilgore but I think a lot depends on who works best with Davis on the outside or if Davis stops needing a big brother.
That is the key for if the Niners find any new Lineman to takeover from Snyder as the starter.
Oh and yes I have faith in Baalke, Harbaugh and miracle off-seasons – you never know what could happen, Moran Norris re-sign
I really wished we had gotten our young linemen some more playing time
This year. Kilgore does remain a major wild card in the interior line. If he comes into camp at about 320 to 325 and shows a nice blend of quickness, nastiness, and scheme smarts we may have a winner.
But if he comes back in still hovering around 310 still raw with his hand and foot work then it’s not looking good.
The good news is that they traveled with the team this year and got technique work from our line coaches during pre-game. Not a moment wasted.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
I am still amazed
that was seen as a big thing, sometimes sports really manages to amaze with things I would have thought were obvious, just not happening.
But then I also understand that some owner, espescially in dubious financial climates want to save every penny so don’t pay for non-playing players to go anywhere but like you say not a minute wasted. Another reason to like the ethic surrounding the team at the moment.
I look forward to seeing if they manage to keep the team spirit through the off-season and into next season, its such a key to getting younger players on board and engaged
I suspect
That he’s our future center.
If he’s not, I like Konz from Wisconsin, and there’s a chance he’s available at pick 30. If not, plenty of interior line talent in this draft, and even with our second round pick, I think we can still grab someone who would be an instant upgrade over Snyder/Rachal, though I DO have a soft spot for the extent to which Snyder looks like a viking.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Feb 6, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
I'd be good with that
Like the possibility better than Beeler. Most people say Beeler needs to bulk up a little — but to play in a power running scheme he would need 30+ minimum and that won’t be easy to do with his frame.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
We only have time to wait for Alex.
I don’t know about the details of OL work, but a cheap contract that he can be released quickly on isn’t a horrible idea.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Too long of a nickname, but here it is
Mr. Don’t block the guy right in front of you, just double team someone else and give up the sack guy
I like it
I suggest a platoon, whereby we tip off defenses to what we’re going to do, but it works anyway. Just put Chilo in when we are going to run the ball, Snyder when we are going to pass. Other than telling defenses what we are going to do before we do it, I don’t see any potential flaws in this plan.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Feb 6, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Well we do line up with 3 TE, 1 FB, 1 RB quite often
So maybe Chilo comes in. It’s not any extra information.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Fair point
I wonder what it would cost to keep him, on the off-chance that he ever fulfills his considerable physical ability.
I also wonder if he’s just not very bright, football-wise.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Feb 6, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
Could be another one of those guys
Where we decide to make a reasonable offer, they think they can get more on the open market, get absolutely no interest at all, and then end up having to settle for less than we originally offered.
And could still not make it on the roster.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
I would be extremely giddy if we re-signed Rachal for pennies
and we had enough depth and talent to have him get cut in training camp.
At least that would mean almost certain improvement to our line and I would be able to LOL Rachal. Not that it’s funny when someone loses their job, but I just really wish we would have never drafted this guy.
I could see how your scenario
would be both happy making and funny, at least in the short term.
Also, if that sequence of events DOES come to fruition, I will try to forget that he could have been Matt Forte, DeSean Jackson, Calais Campbell, Ray Rice, or Carl Nicks.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Feb 6, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think re-signing Rachal for a minimum deal
would keep a big name FA the team wanted off the roster.
That wasn't what I meant
All the players I listed were ones who were available in that year’s draft, and were selected AFTER the 49ers picked Rachal.
Nicks in particular stings, since he plays the same position, although no one thought he was going to be as good as he’s been.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Feb 6, 2012 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Chilo did fine in the jumbo packages to get short yardage
I think he’s a great second string guard with raw physical strength that can move a pile, he just can’t pass block or pull . . . or open up holes in the running game. If Chilo was drafted in the 7th round I think we’d all be sure that Chilo is our future.
I have faith that Chiloh Rachal can one day rise above the level of Kwame Harris, but that’s about as far as I go.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
Hey, where’d that extra h come from? Must have been thinking of Shiloh or something.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Feb 6, 2012 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
I don't consider myself an expert on offensive linemen by any means.
But even I’ve been able to tell that Chilo Rachal is just bad. Not bad with flashes of brilliance, flashes of something that we hope we can get him to do consistently. Just bad.
And he ruins the offensive line. Pretty much any time Rachal was in the game last season resulted in Alex running for his life. A less athletic guy would have gotten killed in some of those games.
Chilo and Faith
The reason we have faith in these guys is because we have faith in HARBAUGH (and before the shine rubbed off, Singletary). So as long as Harbaugh and Co. keep Rachel around, we have faith that they see something we don’t.
OL is really the toughest area to upgrade. I like (mostly your) idea the best – sign a premium OT to play left tackle (Clabo? Free? Matt Light?), move Staley to RT, move Davis to Guard.
But I have zero idea if there are any FAs worth the dough that can come in and play better than Staley/Davis at OT.
[Poorly Wrought THING] is what Brian Sabean would have made if he were a [THING-maker] instead of a MLB GM
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