Super Bowl XLVI Results: Entertaining End, 49ers Would've Won This One
by David Fucillo on Feb 5, 2012 7:54 PM PST
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PrintAnything involving the 49ers and Super Bowl XLVI is completely woulda/coulda/shoulda, but that's not going to stop me from pointing out that I think the 49ers would've beaten these Patriots. Such is the life of non-Super Bowl teams. It will stick in our craw for a while longer, but the first real step towards moving is now at hand. The close of the Super Bowl means we can look ahead to next season.
The game itself was intriguing at the end. The most exciting moments for me were of course the final few drives, but also seeing Kelly Clarkson come in just under 1:34 on the anthem and seeing a shot of Giselle to hit the over on 1/2 times she'd be seen. Gambling certainly can be good!
The Montana/Brady comparisons can officially take a back seat. Congratulations to Eli Manning on a solid performance and coming through in the clutch again. He did benefit from another great catch, this time from Mario Manningham down the sideline. Of course, Eli dropped that ball in just about perfectly for Manningham to make the catch, so he deserves some credit. While I would have preferred the 49ers be in the game, at least we got some entertainment at the end.
All that matters now is that the road to Super Bowl XLVII begins now. Everybody is 0-0 once again and the 49ers get to start climbing the mountain to Lombardi glory. The loss still stings, but this was the first significant step towards moving forward. It only gets better from here!
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On to the draft
Where we can really look forward
"You play to win the playoffs, and we let 'em off the hook!" -Herm Mora Green
Manninghams a free agent
Would love to steal him from NY but they’ll probably throw him a ton of money after that catch he made tonight
Anyways, can’t wait for next season, 49ers will win the super bowl and I hope we face NY in the NFC championship again
by 49erEmpire on Feb 5, 2012 7:58 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I think Manningham is attainable, the Giants have 3 receivers that will be ahead of him on the depth chart, Hicks, Cruz & Dixon. Therefore, they don’t have a super need to get him If the price goes up. He’s fast, has good hands but needs to learn to stop leading his QB out of bounds on passes when going down the sidelines. He does have the potential to be a #1 WR…
by HAZAD365 on Feb 5, 2012 8:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, thats the problem, especially after this game..
by HAZAD365 on Feb 5, 2012 8:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think we can all agree that while the Giants may be a "better’ team than us, we should have won the NFCCG and easily would have won this game
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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 5, 2012 7:59 PM PST reply actions
may
I don’t know what I’d call the Giants compared to the 49ers. I think the results of the two games would indicate they’re pretty evenly matched. I don’t think one team is necessarily better.
by David Fucillo on Feb 5, 2012 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
The way I see it, their offense is light years ahead of ours, and their defense isn’t far off from ours. They are as close to a complete team in the league as there can be, but it we just get a good WR and possibly Peyton, we will probably be the #1 contender next season
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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 5, 2012 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
Peyton
I still think there’s a decent chance he doesn’t play next year. Could happen, but with that neck I am perfectly fine not rolling the dice.
by David Fucillo on Feb 5, 2012 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
9-7 and outscored in reg season doesn't sound too complete
They got hot late and received a couple of dumb luck breaks in the NFCC game, plus another lucky break tonight. They earned the title but are no more complete than a handful of other teams. The NFC representative was going to win this game since the Niners, Giants, Saints and Packers were all better than the AFC.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
Nope. We can't all agree on the first part.
Well unless if by "better’ you mean “have better WR’s”
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
LOL you kidding me?
Giants won ’cause of two stupid fumbles by someone who wanted to get paid instant millions by next yr!
anyway not sure why everyone wants P Manning, one good hit from someone like harrison, you got a comatose QB LOL
by Aazoba Yuzuki on Feb 6, 2012 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
Not only could the Niners have won..
So could Green Bay, New Orleans and probably Detroit. New England didn’t look that good, and New York only looked marginally better.
Worse then the game, I only really enjoyed a few of the commercials. Really a let down.
The Pats only beat two teams with a winning record. They had the easiest schedule in the league.
They really weren’t that great.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
No they didn't
The 9ers and the Saints did.
They were about middle of the pack based on SOS because they played a lot of 8-8 teams. I still think getting to the SB was overachieving for them, especially based on the defense, but no, they didn’t have the easiest schedule.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
I don't care what the SOS percentage is,
I don’t believe for a second the Patriots had a harder schedule than the 49ers
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
I could agree with that in terms of matchups.
Even though the 9ers had an easier schedule we had to play the AFC East, they can be some of the nastiest defenses in the league. Add in the increasingly difficult defenses of the NFC West and that is an opponents strength vs our biggest weakness in a lot of games.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
One team with a winning record
And needed a dropped game winning TD to earn that.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
Well, they beat the Ravens and Giants
so that’s 2
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 6, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Incorrect, the Giants won the regular season matchup with the Pats
by sanfranfanmdk on Feb 6, 2012 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Oops, yep.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 6, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
I was disappointed in the Patriots.
I thought they were better this year. Or rather, I thought Brady would play better. Kudos to the Giants for putting pressure on him.
The Giants didn’t play their best game either. But they played well enough. Definitely didn’t look like the team the Niners played in the NFCCG. But again, good enough gets the ring.
Overall, a “meh” Super Bowl with a nice come-from-behind finish for Eli. Manningham deserved that trophy, IMO. And the game was just a couple of missed catches away from giving Brandon Jacobs one of the biggest time management gaffes in Super Bowl history.
Brady's always been overrated.
Will be the most overrated player ever inducted to the Hall of Fame.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
Product of Belicheat system (which is ok)
But nobody takes into account how tremendous his line his, how great his coaching is, the talent that’s been around him. It’s always just Brady, Brady, Brady. Guy gets ALL day to make plays. When he doesn’t… He makes mistakes BIG ONES on a very regular basis.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
talent
In terms of skill positions he’s had some solid receivers, but he hasn’t exactly had a bevy of dominant receivers.
by David Fucillo on Feb 5, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
in the past
Obviously some great ones this year.
by David Fucillo on Feb 5, 2012 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
Best year, which everybody immediately goes to, he had a motivated Moss
Randy was just unstoppable.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
true
Moss was at his freakish best that year
by David Fucillo on Feb 5, 2012 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
if Moss had his head on straight it's hard to even picture the kind of numbers he could have put up.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
Moss
I still contend he was the most physically gifted receiver in NFL history. I think he would have shredded Jerry Rice’s records if he’d had his head on straight throughout his career.
by David Fucillo on Feb 5, 2012 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
I won't say shredded... Because Jerry had Joe and Steve
If Randy had played in Denver with John Elway or GB with Farve… Jerry would have somebody right there next to him in every record and some of them would belong to Randy.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
yea...
I suppose different QBs would have been the difference. But what Moss did with Randall Cunningham, Brad Johnson, Daunte Culpepper and others is incredible.
by David Fucillo on Feb 5, 2012 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
I think shredded is right. I don’t believe he was a head case, I think he was tired of qbs getting credit for his ability to burn double teams.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Double teams? You could put the whole team on Randy
He ran as fast and as effortlessly as Mike Wallace and snatched jump balls like TO/Fitz. His hands were as good as anybody short of Rice. As physically gifted as anybody that’s stepped on the field at any position.
But I’d say he’s a headcase. He bumped a traffic cop on foot with his car because he was holding him up. WHILE SMOKING A JOINT.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
Moss is one of my favorite receivers
the guy was amazing when he showed up to play
Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94
Rule #2) Follow rule #1
mine too
I loved watching him when he was at Marshall. Caught some of their games on TV and it was a man amongst kids.
by David Fucillo on Feb 5, 2012 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
still sad he retired
was hoping he would sign with a team even if it was midway through a season
Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94
Rule #2) Follow rule #1
You cant deny his pocket presence or accuracy.
I think he’s overrated because he didn’t do much in the early SB wins and was given mvps he shouldn’t have won.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Will never knock his accuracy. Note I've called him a gimmick with 1 thing he does fantastic.
He’s incredibly accurate given time. (Though he missed Welker when it mattered most). But I will knock his pocket presence. He gets ALL DAY. There were times where after 5 or 6 seconds the Giants still hadn’t begun to get pressure on him. When he gets rushed he makes huge mistakes and has consistently for his entire career.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
I'd argue that is pocket presence
On the Pats 1st TD he rolled right than came back left buying himself those 5-6 seconds. More often than not I see Alex roll or step into a blocked defender instead of putting more distance between him.
Nobody even came through the line on that TD.
There was a wall in front of him. When you get all day to make a play its not pocket presence it’s great protection. When the pocket collapses and you panic and throw the ball away for a safety or you run out and huck the ball down the field into coverage that’s bad presence against the rush.
If you mean pocket presence to include only his ability to make people miss and slide around yah he’s pretty slick. But his brain malfunctions in the face of pressure.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve seen Alex screw up clean pockets plenty of times. If I was gonna break down a comparison between Brady and Alex I’d probably harp on how Alex is so bad before arguing Brady is great at it. Alex is so bad I can’t even decipher if he as strategy for moving around the pocket. It is like he guesses wrong 80-90% of the time.
I won't say Alex is great. Part of that is being conditioned to having the kind of protection he got in the Ravens game
I don’t think he’s broken beyond fixing that though. He’s improved every year and when he consistently gets protected in a game he doesn’t spook. When the protection is consistently bad though he’s preconditioned to expect it to completely collapse. If we can get the line to protect at a consistently high level you’ll see him turn into late career Rich Gannon.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
You cant say Alex is great, hes horrific in that department.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I think the fact that his presence is his weakest point is understandable. He's had a horrible line his whole career and he still does (1 side of it)
But he’s shown improvement every year despite that. He should be like Carr but he’s mentally tough enough that he’s survived and is getting better.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
Definitely true about past O Lines, but you’re not gonna have 5 pro bowlers. Even when they block well he looks out of place sitting in the pocket. He isn’t as bad as Carr but is definitely damaged goods. He isn’t getting better, every game he runs from nothing when he has time and blocking.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Every game? Really...
Now it seems it is YOU who has earned the right to be ignored.
by ColoradoNiner on Feb 5, 2012 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
At least once every game, please do ignore me, you see the sig.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
That was a completely catchable ball to Welker
Definitely not perfect, but Welker has to make that catch. Eli’s guys were snagging stuff all day long.
Brady played well until he got hurt. 16 passes completed in a row then he got hurt and sucked the rest of the way.
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by positiveuphemism on Feb 5, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
commercials
took like 2 steps back…disappointing really
by Doni S on Feb 5, 2012 9:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Except for Fiat. We can't we have more European commercials like that?
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
Super Bowl XLVIOI
wut
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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 5, 2012 7:59 PM PST reply actions
also
but also seeing Kelly Clarkson come in just under 1:34 on the anthem
I was more surprised she didn’t start eating a big mac halfway trough. would have lost that bet too
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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 5, 2012 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of...Did anybody see Jessica Simpson during the pregame show?
It looked like she was pregnant and it’s a buick.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
id make her pregnant
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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 5, 2012 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
She was huge.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
i think she is pregnant
Former 49er Eric Johnson is her husband
by David Fucillo on Feb 5, 2012 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
Good for her
Nobody ever makes the “under” on the National Anthem. Must have been moderately tasteful.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
I think we will win next year
We basically game between a couple bad decisions on Harbaughs part from winning it all. If we keep the key players, next year we should be stronger in every way. Well, the same in special teams.
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by positiveuphemism on Feb 5, 2012 8:00 PM PST reply actions
That is only in hindsight
It looked a lot tougher before the season began, and who’s to say the Niners didn’t play a big part in breaking down the opponents and their respective seasons?
by ColoradoNiner on Feb 5, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
I don't get this
Other than the Packers losing, I can’t really see anything that was easy for the niners. They faced four of the other eleven playoff teams. Other than the Rams, they never played teams that were awful at the time. A couple of them ended up having shitty years, but Cleveland, Washington and Tampa Bay were all doing decently when they came up in the schedule.
In fact, they only played six teams that were under .500 at the time. And three of those were against the Eagles and Cards who both finished 8-8.
I strongly disagree with anyone who thinks the niners had an easy go of it this year.
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Feb 5, 2012 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
Once they beat the Saints
First getting the Saints at home was good break. Than a limited team in the Giants at home and a very flawed AFC Champion.
And no nothing was easy for the 49ers which is why 13-3 probably overshot their talent.
Arguably best defense in the league. Definitely best special teams. Great coach. Average offense. 13-3 was not overshooting their talent.
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by positiveuphemism on Feb 5, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
That's the whole point that I think bignerd is making
no way in the world should this 49ers team have had one of the best defenses and best special teams in the league.
Not after losing half of the previous season’s starters on defense, plus two new coordinators and a new head coach.
I think the team will be lucky to win more than 10 games next year as they come down to earth from the huge turnover differential of this season.
We didn't lose the starters. We upgraded them.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
But don't get me wrong i know your not hating on the niners
n i respect your opinion but you make uis or this season sound like a fluke.And after hearing people talk like that about us on espn,nfl-network n other sport shows i just don’t like to hear it in hear.I feel we are that good i don’t feel our level of play want come down this year team was more talented then last few year teams were espicially our coaches.I know stats say this n stats say that but stats can be stretched in any direction,i bet theres a stat that says if you sack a QB 5 or 6 times n get pressure on him 14,15 times you should win that game we we loss i’m just saying i think we are just that good.I feel if our team falls back some next season it will be by 1 or 2 games like 12-4 or 11-5 defiently not no 10-6 crap but hey i could be wrong,but smiley i know your hating us n i respect your opinion just so you know.
by Jayubb415rebirth on Feb 5, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
Our offensive gameplan is heavily responsible for that differential. Find Stanford's TO ratio. I'd bet it's similar
We were T. 11th for Ints and tied for 1st with 15 Fumble recoveries. The difference between 1 and 13th in FR is 3.
We were tied with the Bills for 5th in turnovers forced
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
I know its your job to be a rational 49er
fan on here or the " simon cowell" of the group n i respect that i do but sometimes you just sound like a hater straight up! Like we suppose to come crashing down hard off this big fantasy weve been living we have some very talented players who were took early in the 1st n 2nd rounds of the draft.Those starters we loss like nate who never played like he did in buffalo for us unless your talking about being a solid CB who knew how to tackle good but gave up big plays in the passing game.And as for manny who never really lived up 2 the talent everyone thought he would be had some so-so years but aldon erased manny whole career in one season here.Like i said i respect you knowledge of the game n i know you "want"to be rational when it comes to the niners it just sometimes comes off as hating n honestly if a person really didn’t know you n visited this site they could almost question if you were a 49er fan.I get it you write on here n its your job to be objective i just wish sometimes you would chill on it everything in football just doesn’t come down to numbers they play a big part but not all the time.
by Jayubb415rebirth on Feb 5, 2012 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
I would agree that the turnover differential will come down to Earth...
but it wouldn’t be a shocker that we get better at 3rd downs and RZ TD% whic might negate that.
Only good thing about Niners not being in the Super Bowl
Life expectancy went up 20+ years. Cause I think my heart wouldv’e given out.
"You play to win the playoffs, and we let 'em off the hook!" -Herm Mora Green
I ate an entire Tombstone Pizza today. 80 grams of fat, 1600 calories
im going to die
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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 5, 2012 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't 2000 Calories a day average?
So as long as you didn’t eat anything else, you’re good.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, but they aren’t exactly “good” calories. plus the 80 grams of fat can’t be good
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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 5, 2012 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
Tombstone pizza rules.
Let's giggity giggity Go 49ers!!! ::: whywontgodhealamputees.com
by Kittles on Feb 5, 2012 8:23 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I agree, they aren't just good, they are delicious calories.
But they fat probably isn’t good haha.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
You sound like me sometimes i get so nervous i turn the my tv on mute on a big play
i be so nervous i would put on mute if alex would have to go on a game winning drive.
by Jayubb415rebirth on Feb 5, 2012 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
The Future Is Now
Thinking about what coulda woulda shoulda been gets us nowhere. We had a great season but came up a bit short in the end. But now everyone is 0-0 again. At the end of the day, we got the Coach and Exec of the Year to get next year’s team ready and the future looks bright.
2011 Giants
Luckiest team ever. Barely 9-7. Negative point differential in the regular season. Lucky to even make it into the playoffs. Hail Mary catch againt GB. Shocking number of drops by GB. Two ridiculous fumbles by Kyle, BS forward progress call. Their fumbles against the pats bouncing straight back to them, drops by Welker, Hernandez, Branch
by Snitzel on Feb 5, 2012 8:04 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
This.
You have to have a certain amount of luck to win in the NFL but the amount of sheer blind luck the Giants got in the last month is staggering. It’s not really all luck though, they’ve also benefited from opposing teams making boneheaded decisions.
by throwthedamnball on Feb 5, 2012 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
Just like the 1990 Giants.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
Watch out...
I was labelled as “stupid” and “pontificating” (which is kind of an oxymoron) for suggesting this in the Super Bowl thread.
The Giants were lucky. But they were also good enough to win it.
Congrats, New York. Dice rolled your way this year. Niners will be back next year.
It would be an oxymoron if it was referring to the same event, but it was two separate instances.
Btw, I never labeled you stupid. I said calling someone a troll (mistakenly thinking he was a Giants fan when he’s a front page writer) was stupid. A smart person can commit a stupid act. A smart person can also pontificate, especially when he acts as if his opinion is fact. When you leave no room for disagreement, these things happen.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
Must we?
I left plenty of room for disagreement. I was being told that I had to accept that Eli was an elite QB. I disagreed. And that’s when this blitzkrieg came crashing down on my head. Including smileyman calling me stupid because of my opinion. Maybe it’s a stupid opinion. But there ya go.
I’m not familiar with smileyman writing on the site. I know Fucillo, WesHanson, James Brady and Dylan DeSomethingOrOther write for the site. Not aware of smileyman being a front-page writer for ninersnation. If he is, my apologies for confusing him for a Giants’ fan. That’s just the impression I got from the bottom-third of the page. Don’t know if that speaks well for Giants fans or not.
At the risk of pontificating further, can I think Eli’s a good QB without conceding he’s one of the “elite”? Heck, Phillip Rivers is “elite”, IMO. So what does that even mean? And can we all walk away with various impressions of my intelligence level?
Just be kind and keep them to ourselves?
No you were not told that you had to accept anything about Eli being elite
what I said was that it was stupid to call him a game manager and to say that the reason the Giants won was because of luck.
I then held it forth as my opinion that I think he’s an elite quarterback.
I didn't say they won because of luck.
I think you read what you wanted to. I said they were a good team. The better team. And that luck went their way.
That’s true for 100% of all Super Bowl winning teams.
And for the record...
I was told that I didn’t “have to” say Eli was elite but if I did so by my terms I was “stupid”.
That’s not very cool.
Luck is part of the game
Losing teams and winning teams get lucky breaks.
The 49ers were lucky to even be in the NFCCG. No way they get there if not for the luck they had in the first quarter with the turnovers going their way.
I also said...
Eli played this game “like a game manager”. He had an Alex Smith game out there. Albeit throwing a few passes that we don’t normally see Alex making.
He played mistake-free football. That’s not an insult.
But I did take the opportunity to dig at his “game manager” comments about Alex Smith earlier in the season. Those didn’t sit well with me then. Nor do they now.
Is Eli a game manager? Well, all the greats have to manage the game SOMEHOW. With the exception of maybe Brett Favre.
I basically said the same thing So Cal Niner said about three posts above me. Only So Cal did it in about 5000 words less.
Maybe I should write for the blog…
Steve Young said the other day 70% of being a good quarterback is being a game manager
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Well Smith has two percent of the other 30.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Performed better than Rodgers and Brady against the Giants
With no offensive line protection and no talent besides VD. No turnovers, no safeties, 2 TDs. Neither Rodgers, nor Brady, nor Ryan put up a better line than that. Ryan is the only one with a line that’s even close to as inept
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
Completion percentage was much higher.
Brady missed his only downfield pass that mattered. Alex hit 2 out of 3 bombs. Alex’s pass to VD on the left sideline was every bit as perfect as Eli’s to Manningham though the magnititude of the situation differed.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
But all Alex hit were 3 bombs and one was with 0:00 on the clock. He couldn’t hit a 3rd conversion to save his life that game and wasn’t much better when asked to pass on 1st and 2nd down.
He completed several passes on 3rd down that were just short. Another time he had 3 guys come on a jail break
Other times we ran and got stuffed. Alex did fail on third down. But every other player on the offense did as well. Crabtree failed because he can’t get open against #1s. Maybe if we can get a guy that can burn a #1 corner Crabs will really come on against #2 guys but right now we can’t rely on him to get open. Cruz was getting more open against double coverage and Eli wasn’t throwing him the ball.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
9 of them were 3rd and 6 or longer
The short ones included getting stuffed on runs. Somebody in an old thread broke down every single one. You can blame about 4 or5 of them on Alex. As I said he’s not blameless. But a lot of it was good Giants defense bad 49ERS AS A TEAM offense.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
No way dude.
There was 3rd and 1, and 3, and 4, and 5
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
I will try to dig them up later. I have an online class test due in 50 minutes
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
Ok
3rd and 4 – Alex incomplete to Gore
3rd and 14 – Alex incomplete deep left to Kyle Williams
3rd and 2 – Alex Smith complete to KW 4 yards – A. Ross Hands to the face accepted for 5 yards negating the 1st down (no play) I forgot about this converted 3rd down
3rd and 5 – Alex scrambles 4 yards tripped up by JPP
3rd and 9 – Alex scrambled 3 yards tripped up by Justin Tuck
3rd and 19 – Alex incomplete – Illegal contact A. Ross (no play)
3rd and 6 – Alex incomplete to Delaine Walker
3rd and 6 – Alex complete Frank Gore for 5 yards
3rd and 1 – Anthony Dixon stuffed
3rd and 5 – Alex complete to Crabtree 3 yards (bad pass but Crab probably doesn’t get it anyways)
3rd and 7 – Alex sacked – jailbreak Osi and Kiwanuka
3rd and 10 – Alex incomplete to Delaine Walker
3rd and 8 – Alex complete to Delaine (end of regulation)
3rd and 12 – Alex complete to VD for 11 yards
Also from ESPN — “NEXT LEVEL: The Giants pressure stifled Alex Smith on third-down passing plays, as he was under duress or sacked on 7 of 12 (58.3 percent) dropbacks Sunday. The 49ers only had 1 third-down conversion in the game, coming on the last play of the fourth quarter. Smith was 4 of 8 for 47 yards on third down plays in the game.”
So we have 1, 2, (converted but no play) 4, 5 and 5. We’ll consider 6 or more 3rd and long. 6,6,7,8,9,10,12,14,19 (no play)
So there were 5 of 3rd and 5 or less (1 converted) and 9 of 3rd and 6 or longer (1 converted on a play 1 on a penalty)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 6, 2012 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
Yea i forgot to mention, it looks as though he is horrific at pre snap reads.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
And of course you know all the called plays...
And the options out of them he does or does not make.
by ColoradoNiner on Feb 5, 2012 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
I know he never adjusts to obvious pressure, screw the play call or his options.
If he can’t audible, its because he isn’t trusted, which makes me right. If he can audible, he pant making the right call, and guess what…..ding ding ding, I’m right again.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Rodgers sat two weeks, that almost always ends in failure for an offense.
He had protection, he doesn’t get the ball out, has horrible pocket presence and was horrible in the accuracy department. Bradys pocket broke, he moved calmly, with Alex, at first sight of pressure its a massive reaction.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Any reasonable person would recognize how much better Brady's protection was than Alex's
Brady – to his credit – even said he has the best offensive line in football.
His LT is good enough to be 2nd string behind Joe Thomas, both his guards are fantastic, his center is good and his RT was the best rookie tackle in football this year.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
You dont know how good Alexs protection is, he has horridic pocket presence.
Hard to block for a magic jumping bean. He’s a head case.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
If he had a line that didn't absolutely stink on the right side he'd be fine. A top 5 QB
The way Eli played down the stretch with a line that also isn’t good (though still not so bad as ours) makes him the best QB in the NFL in my book over the last 10 weeks.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
Top 5? Youve officially earned the right to be ignored.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
You are dead wrong.
And it is not even funny anymore to listen to a completely made up assumptions.
Smith was one ball in the knee from a SB MVP. Fact.
Wow
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
huh?
I think the 49ers could have won this game, but this:
Smith was one ball in the knee from a SB MVP. Fact.
is drastically simplifying the debate.
by David Fucillo on Feb 5, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
Alex Smith was a great QB
then he took a ball in the knee
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by doubleteapot on Feb 5, 2012 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, sometimes debate needs simplification.
So maybe it sinks in.
it is not even funny anymore to listen to a completely made up assumptions
Smith was one ball in the knee from a SB MVP. Fact.
is this a joke?
the defense is the reason the Niners had such a great year
The defense didn't lead 6 4th quarter comebacks.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 6, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
They did manage to keep the opponents scoring down, to allow a comeback.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
no argument here.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 6, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Luck is a part of every NFL game
To say that a team is the luckiest team in the NFL? How do you even start measuring that?
They got a horrible call in the NFCCG that went their way, but otherwise not so much, unless you count two fumbles by Kyle Williams as lucky for the Giants (vs unlucky for the 49ers).
It's not so much that the Giants' run was completely lucky, but it was flukey
Starting with their second to last game of the year against the Jets. That game and the season ender against Dallas were sloppy, penalty filled games with a couple of onside kick recoveries. Basically they Giants got to play against two team’s whose seasons were imploding and backed into the playoffs.
Atlanta puts in one of the most embarrassing performances in recent memory (complete with Mike Smith telegraphing 4th and 1 QB sneaks). Green Bay has their OC and entire team distracted because of real life and the best WR core of the past two years flat out drop passes all game (also Manning had the hail mary at the end of the half).
When you add Kyle Williams two fumbles, the forward progress call and our DB’s colliding into each not once but twice on sure interceptions… the Giants postseason run starts to look really lucky and flukey. Brady getting called for intentional grounding?Yeah that happens all the time, on their first play from scrimmage no less. The Gmen recovered two fumbles deep in their own territory and Eli was yet again bailed out by spectacular circus catches from one of his WR.
Luck, fluke, call it whatever you want. One thing I will not call the Giants’ Superbowl run: Well deserved.
by throwthedamnball on Feb 5, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
How bout them cowboys
If they dont blow like a billon games late gmen dont even make the playoffs
by Moflush on Feb 5, 2012 8:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think the better team and QB won.
The NYG might be lucky, but I think they are a better team than the 9-7 record indicate. They had the toughest schedule in the NFL and I think that helped them win it all in the end.
They had the toughest schedule in the NFL and I think that helped them win it all in the end.
I agree, no question about that.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
@jharrison9292 James Harrison
Told you, cheaters never win!!!!!!!!!
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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 5, 2012 8:15 PM PST reply actions
Your right
We would of had this one. I know for me I wont get over it until we finally get that ring. Hopefully it doesnt take to long Im sick of waiting already
by Collin B on Feb 5, 2012 8:17 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I’ve been puking since the halftime show, with no alcoholic beverages…!
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
I'm glad this season's done.
I will be glad to reminisce about how great a turnaround 2011-2012 was, but only when its long after the media buries its last Super Bowl story and the blazing summer sun wipes away these depressing times. Its just begging to be said “we could’ve won it”, but I can’t bring myself to say it – its just not right. The Giants will get the spoils, and the 49ers’ season will be all but a memory…
lest the Red and Gold pick up where they left off. There – a little optimism. Go Niners.
Make it so.
What this game should remind everyone...
is that it’s not how you look getting there – the 9-7 Giants looked pretty rough at times during the regular season – but how you come together once you are in the dance. Manning played well during the playoffs and their defense made enough plays to get the job done. Were they lucky? Yes, but nearly every championship team needs to have a few balls bounce their way and the Giants are no different.
Next season for the 49ers will probably be tougher – not sneaking up on anyone any more, but if they stick to what got them there this year – solid, opportunistic defense and efficient offense, they will be in every game. Just get into the playoffs and let it roll…
"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."
Yeah but lets be honest they had ALOT of LUCK every championship teams gets lucky breaks but the giants just lived of being lucky it was just insane how much luck they had
by Moflush on Feb 5, 2012 8:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The 49ers were just as lucky
you don’t end up with the turnover differential that the 49ers had without being lucky.
The Niners were not just as lucky
Harbaugh ran an extremely conservative offense with “not turning the ball over,” as priority #1. And he let the defense play like madmen throughout the year. We tackled harder and more sound than any other team in the league. Whitner and Goldson were ball hawks all year and that style of play benefited the team for until the NFCCG.
by throwthedamnball on Feb 5, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
And as far as offensive turnovers,
I can only remember 1 ball that i thought should have been intercepted, but wasn’t. And that cancels out with the gift Ted Ginn Jr. gave the Giants in the first game. I don’t remember very many lucky bounces on fumbles, either.
We were just very good at taking care of the ball. I don’t think that changes next year.
We might not get as many defensive turnovers, but i see us being top 5 in turnover diff. again.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 6, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
I can't discount the win...
off luck alone. They had some breaks go their way. But they won. And breaks like that happen in every game. One day, the Niners will get one of them and we’ll be happy.
And maybe we’ll acknowledge “Wow, we were lucky!” And maybe we won’t.
Games can be won and lost on luck alone. No doubt. But the better team won the Super Bowl. I don’t doubt that.
Real quick...
Does Kyle Williams get a ring or do they count him on our roster and not the G Men?
HAHAHAHA OH GOD THAT WAS SO FUNNY OH JESUS I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING AS FUNNY AS THIS, WOW ITS ALMOST LIKE YOU’RE A WRITER FOR THE BIG BANG THEORY, I AM INCAPACITATED FROM THIS COMEDY GOLD POST AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA WOW MAN HILARIOUS
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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 5, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
With a joke like that
he might be a writer for the Big Bang Theory
by smileyman on Feb 5, 2012 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Thats
No joke. Besides…you must understtad my hatred for what he did. I am a University of Arizona alum which requires me to dislike him because he went to ASU. I hate that we drafted him. The ONLY thing I like about him is his last game in college was against U of A and he muffed a punt handing us the game…GO FIGURE.
No, but...
I expected Coughlin to give him a shout out at the trophy ceremony. Classless coach….
And what’s up with the trophy walk of shame, with players and random groupies groping and kissing the statue?
Can you give an example of him being classless?
I can’t remember him being anything but professional. Unless you mean his angry reaction to plays….But Harbaugh has him matched in that.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 6, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
I wasn't offended or anything, i was just curious.
I have heard other people say the same thing, without being sarcastic on other sites. I knew the shoutout part was sarcasm lol.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 6, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Can only hope we win the division agrees with mcamp49...
1st or 2nd seed don’t mean nothing if you can’t do anything with it. Just ask GB…
by LonelyNINERfrom-alabama on Feb 5, 2012 8:39 PM PST reply actions
next year
Whos willing to bet that the opening game on Thursday night will be Giants @ 49ers…
by sundaysfinest on Feb 5, 2012 8:40 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
What about 49ers @ Saints?
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
first game is usually represented by SB winner
by sundaysfinest on Feb 5, 2012 8:44 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Is suppose to be played in @SF
Won’t happen. Although I’d switch to @NY to take away one of the following @NO, @GB or @NE
so would I
Might make it a road trip with some family who are packers fans
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Rule #2) Follow rule #1
Also letting the Giants score to give time to Tom Brady
showed that after all the hard work the Patriots D did in the playoffs, Bellicheck (supposedly a defensive coach) totally embraces the philosophy the offense wins championships. Big blunder in my opinion.
They didn't really have a choice.
Either let them score and have a chance, or let them run the clock down to 15 seconds, and get 2-maybe three plays.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
Eh
At that point you had no other option. The Patriots defense has been awful all season. With that little time left you have to get the ball back as quickly as possible to get down the field.
But if they stop them, the game is still over.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
If the Giants miss a FG.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
It's Tynes, though.
He can miss chip shots under pressure.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 5, 2012 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
From 2 yards? Like 1 in 300
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
they were on the 5-6 before NE tried to let them score
Still a shank is a shank, don’t need any signficant gap to miss.
Is it September yet?
Baseball is too damn boring.
Agreed. And i just don't like the NBA.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
me neither
The draft is too far away…atleast free agency starts on time this year
Branch unimpressive
I guess a couple of those drops were tipped first, but that guy never seems to catch anything that isn’t laid right in.
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He actually might have. He would have done as much as Hastings or Swain.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
Would have at least been a better run blocker
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Finally…!!
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Er
I think I’ve been saying that for awhile? At least that he’s not a true #1.
I would be perfectly happy with at least one of the first two picks being a WR, and a majority of them being WRs.
I’m not on here as much, as then, but, there is a gem or two in the draft. Too bad we didn’t take Maclin.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
If If was a fifth.......yea I know.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Gronk bring hurt another giant lucky factor
2012 giants luckiest team in the history of superbowl win can you name another team this lucky
by Moflush on Feb 5, 2012 9:06 PM PST via mobile reply actions
But that always happens
The problem with the Patriots is they don’t a lot a good players which is why their AFC dominance is confusing. Brady, Gronk, Welker and Wilfork. Half their starters would get completely past over by the rest of the NFL. I find it hard to believe a team like this can make it to the SB.
Which is why Bellichek is a great coach, and Brady is a great QB.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
Naw
I am sticking to the AFC sucks right now. The next best teams have been the Steelers and Ravens and the Patriots have benefited immensely with both being in the same division. I don’t think this Patriots team would have made it out of the Wild Card Round in the NFC.
I’ve had problems with the AFC for three seasons now. The Jets weren’t a good team but made it two AFC Championship games. Essentially a 9-7 team with limited QB play going on the road and advancing in their conference, strongly hints to me the whole conference has been in a decline.
A healthy Bears team or Eagles team without ridiculous dumb coaching could still emerge from the NFC and would dominate the AFC.
I agree. I don't think the Patriots are great,
but those two are.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
They are great
Both are going to take some heat after this loss. Brady didn’t play at an elite level this playoff campaign. Belichick and his 2nd Rnd draft pick strategy is a near failure.
Think it is becoming more clear that defensive unit between ‘00-’05 has been vastly underrated.
And Brady, while great, is vastly overrated, in the league with Montana I hear….Gtfohwtbs analyst. Moss deserved that mvp. He was taken away in the SB, and they loss. Gronk was hurt and they loss. Their offense exploits physical mismatches.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Montana 4 for 4 and would have been 5 for 5 had he not gotten injured by the Giants
Brady 3 for 5 and never has won a Super Bowl that he had to take over.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
Site decorum
We agree, I here ice forming in hell. J/k
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Patriots-Panthers Super Bowl
That game turned into a bit of a shootout and I’d say he had to take over.
by David Fucillo on Feb 5, 2012 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
If the Panthers kicker hadn't shanked the kickoff
Brady threw one 1st down and the kicker nailed 45+ FG goal
That's definitely the best argument
But yah all he did was get a couple completions for a long field goal.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
354 yards and three touchdowns
Antowain Smith got some rushing yards but wasn’t particularly great.
by David Fucillo on Feb 5, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
Not total stats. Taking over a game to win it when it matters
Like Eli did today. Like Alex did against the Saints.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
you make a good point
He made some timely plays in the three Super Bowl wins, but i’d agree none of those was really like a complete take over by Brady. Good point.
by David Fucillo on Feb 5, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
The giants
Craig fumble…Bills kick wide right
Hahaha. Thank you! I've brought that up a couple times tonight.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
Samuel drop into,tyres lucky catch
by Moflush on Feb 5, 2012 9:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Tyree's catch was awesome
I’ll never begrudge them that. That play, end to end, is still the baddest play ever. The only thing lucky about it was the guy under him breaking his fall to give him enough time to secure the ball.
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I'm still not over that loss... :(
Well, Alex will probably come back, maybe we franchise Carlos. Also Alex better not demand too long a contract, I still think Kaep is the future
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I think Carlos signs a 3 year, team friendly deal.
He meant it when he said he likes it here, and he wants to stay.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
I think Goldson is more likely to recieve the tag.
Besides, the franchise tag is cheaper for Safeties than corners.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah but is Goldson worth that much?
IDK. He’s a hard hitter
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I think the Franchise tag is around 7 mil if i'm not mistaken,
49ers offered him 5-25 last year, so it’s not that far off.
I’d say he was good enough to bring back. He made wide receiver hear footsteps, he had 7 int’s, and he is great playing the run.
He did give up some big plays, too, but IMO he more than made up for them.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 5, 2012 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
$7 million is too much to play for a guy
who can’t cover. For that price we can easily get a guy in FA
Who’s out there?
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
He really was hawking this year...
Ut I cringe when he gambled and lost usually lead to big plays
Really?
How many times did he lose that bet this season? I think he deserves credit for how little that happened this season. At this point I’d say that reputation is no longer warranted.
We will see.
While I’m certain he’d go to the highest bidder, his interceptions were mostly vs atrocious qbs. Let’s see 6 picks next year without most coming vs the nfc west.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
It was hard watching this game...
i felt the pain when we lost, but just watching this game made me sick to my stomach. Because yes this could of been us…. Here’s to a sucessful draft, and smart FA pick ups, and a return to the top next season!
49ers 2012 Offseason: HELP WANTED at WR, DBs, & O-Line
Should be a fun draft
I am expecting the 49ers to draft a lot of offensive weapons. Lots of skill players always make for good conversation and projected expectations.
I don't know anything about the draft
so I’ll just sit back and watch
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i cant wait for another spitfest
HURRR DEE DURRRR LETS TRADE UP TO TAKE ANTHONY DAVIS OVER EARL THOMAS
HURRR DE DURR LETS DRAFT TAYLOR MAYS
DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 5, 2012 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
Could have been CJ Spiller, Patrick Peterson and Michael Crabtree
Oh wait did draft Crabtree. Typically the leading suggestions around here have been much worse than trading up to draft Anthony Davis.
I don't think we should draft a WR in the first round
apparently it doesn’t turn out well. I say we draft a safety, a CB, or another lineman
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
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Don't believe everything you read on the internet - Abraham Lincoln
by doubleteapot on Feb 5, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
It's just risky. The best WRs in the league (besides Nicks who went to UMass and nobody took seriously) and Welker
were taken in the 1st round. Johnson, Fitzgerald, Johnson, Green, Jones,
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
Always depends on the draft
Looking at the list it appears several of the options have 1st Rnd measurables and may not be football players.
Should have sat pat and taken Bulaga.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
Didn’t look very good to me.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Also acceptable.
I will definitely admit I was wrong about Crabs. Taken in by his system offense where he could overpower corners on screens. He’s still incredibly agile after the catch but unlike Nicks he hasn’t turned into an even better athlete at the NFL level.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
That the 49ers would have beaten the Patriots was exactly my thought after the game.
If the Giants’ D was able to shut them down like they did, think about what the Niners’ would have done to them.
Our linebackers actually match up with their TEs even better.
Though Welker would have roasted us. I said earlier this year if the Niners played the Pats I’d bet them to win by at least 7
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
You're correct. I was thinking about NE like the Giants for some reason
Their #2 WR couldn’t hurt us like Cruz. Willis and Bowman would lock down Hernandez and Gronk. Rodgers would play Welker well. We’d have put it to them.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
Doubtful.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
We had been one ball in the knee away from #6.
Screw this with a chainsaw.
I doubt the Niners would’ve won, the Pats would have say in a zone, Alex has a 4 second panic button.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
sat in a zone
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
They played man quite a bit and sent some blitzes.
I doubt Belichik would give Alex a man look, he may play zone the entire game. Alex rushes 15 times.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
3rd in the comeback player of the year award.
Since you dislike my opinion of Alex so much, how bout not replying. Doing so, is kind of childish.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Are you drunk? Your comment doesn’t even fit the convo.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
You told mindless that if he dislikes your opinion Alex so much, how bout not replying. Doing so, is kind of childish.
Yet you do so constantly when people say positive things about Alex. So my comment fits perfectly.
Either you should heed your advise or stop caring when people disagree with you.
Exactly as I thought, it doesnt fit I dont complain about what they say, I post my opinion in disagreement.
You see, when certain posters trail your comments, this can happen, I don’t trail anyone’s comments, so it doesn’t fit, in other words, of you’re not adding to the conversation why post? Anything to add?
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I just seems hypocritical of you.
If you don’t like what people have to say then don’t respond to them. If you disagree with someone feel free to do so, but don’t get mad when someone does it to you.
Pot meet kettle is not a disagreement. So what point are you trying to make?
It seems like that to you , maybe because you have no idea of the history between me and mindless, so pay attention to what you post and don’t worry about what I do. When you make those type of comments you are implying you have more knowledge than you actually do.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
And again, anything to add?
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I am not a kettle
I do not incessantly and pointlessly and baselessly rag on our team players.
Who does that Alex is one player, players is plural.
Someone makes a homer filled comment I’ll attempt to point out what I feel is obvious.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
How about you get over yourself and quit putting too much yac in your kool-aid.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
What does 3rd in comeback player of the year have to do with him winning if he plays the pats?
Sufficiently advanced sarcasm is indistinguishable from being an @$$hole.
by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 6, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I was finishing his sentence.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Man I just hope we draft some good players in the draft
That’s all I ask. I want Harbaugh to draft the best player.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
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Don't believe everything you read on the internet - Abraham Lincoln
Are the 2011 Giants officially the worst team to win the Superbowl in NFL history?
Ultra-projectable
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
They are a good team. They were injured consistently throughout the year
Their LBs aren’t good but their front 4 is fantastic. The core of their WR corps is fantastic. With Bradshaw and Jacobs both healthy their running game isn’t bad at all. Their line is mediocre. Their QB is top 3.
Rodgers, Eli, Brees in some order. Eli might be better than either of them under pressure.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
I say F it lets trade all our 1st round picks from 2020-2030
And load up on high picks this year and go for gold next season.
Think you can only trade 1 year in advance?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 5, 2012 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
The bengals got 2013 picks from the Raiders in 2011, so it's at least 2 years
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 6, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Unless the Texans become a juggernaut
I have a hard time seeing the AFC winning many Super Bowls in the forseeable future.
All of the old guard that dominated for so long seem to be on their way out. Colts are rebuilding, Steelers seem to have begun their decline, Jets are imploding, Ravens seem to be at a crossroads of sorts offensively, and I think the Patriots are never going to regain that dynasty unless the defense is rebuilt.
Contrast that with the NFC, where you have the Packers and Saints at the height of their powers, a Giants team that is always dangerous albeit a headcase, an emerging powerhouse in San Francisco, a feisty Lions team, the Eagles, and a fradulent but competitive Falcons team. Then throw in a potential emerging threat of Cam’s Panthers, the Seahawks and Cardinals in the West, and an always dangerous Chicago if they can regain the form they had earlier this season.
I have a lot of trouble seeing the AFC matching up with the sheer depth of the NFC.
maybe but not sure
The pats looked pretty good to me. i’m still wondering how the patriots didn’t win this game. They appeared to move the ball with more ease even with the injury to gronkowski that slowed them down a bit, they caused three fumbles that didn’t result in a turnover, had numerous uncharacteristic drops by their receivers, had a 17-9 lead at one point, were one dropped welker pass away from putting the game away in typical patriot fashion, etc. It was the giants’ year.
If the Niners were in this game, they would have had to have gotten the type of breaks that went the giants way to win. Because without those breaks working perfectly in the giants’ favor, the pats easily win this game. That safety on the pats’ first offensive play set the tone. On the last drive, if not for the safety, the pats would have only needed a field goal to win. Not sure the Niners would have gotten these types of breaks, but I think they would have needed them to have won, just like the giants.
Be Athletic.
by thestuff01 on Feb 6, 2012 1:05 AM PST via mobile reply actions
New York wins the Neurotic Bowl
How appropriate. An entertaining final 5 minutes shouldn’t be confused for a great game which the eastern media will no doubt try to convince us took place. Part of the problem is that the better conference representatives lost two weeks ago in flukey manners, but those are the breaks.
Clearly, the NFC>AFC even while acknowledging that the Giants are one of the weaker SB champs in history. The 49ers would’ve won this game. Saints and Packers as well. The Patriots needed to only beat one team with a winning record all season and Tebow & Flacco in the playoffs, whereas the NFC had three teams with 13+ wins and QBs such as Manning, Rodgers, Brees and Stafford.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
And Smith.
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by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Feb 6, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Quarterback rating in the playoffs
Drew Brees 110.1
Eli Manning 103.3
Alex Smith 101.0
Tom Brady 100.4
Matt Stafford 97.0
Manning 9 TDs 1 INT
Brady 8 TDs 4 INTs
Brees 7 TDs 2 INTs
Smith 5 TDs (+1 Rushing) 0 INTs
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 1:41 AM PST up reply actions
They probably threw twice as many passes. They probably would have a higher rating by at least 10 points in our system.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
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