NFL Mock Draft 2012: Where Do 49ers Look At Cornerback Position?
by David Fucillo on Feb 6, 2012 4:57 PM PST
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PrintMonday means brand new mock drafts as people eventually work toward posting new mock drafts every day as the 2012 NFL Draft approaches. The mothership posted the latest NFL Mock Draft where they decided to mix things up a bit and have the 49ers drafting South Carolina cornerback Stephon Gilmore:
Conventional wisdom in most of the recent mocks gives the 49ers a receiver here, but all the first-round worthy guys are off the board. Gilmore would be a nice addition for the 49ers, who run a lot of zone coverage out of the base defense. He also has tremendous ball skills.
Most recent mock drafts have the 49ers looking at wide receivers given the wide spread discussion of the position's production in 2012. Given the lack of receivers on the roster, there will be some turnover, but it remains to be seen how much exactly.
In the meantime, the cornerback position is difficult to figure out until Carlos Rogers' situation is resolved. While it is true that a team can never have enough cornerback depth, if the 49ers re-sign Carlos Rogers, that lowers the need for high end talent. You want quality corners, but if they lock up Rogers, they would have Rogers for 3-5 years (depending on the deal), Tarell Brown through 2013 and Chris Culliver through 2014.
If they let Rogers walk, cornerback increases in need, even with Brown and Culliver likely to be the starters next year. The 49ers went with a good deal of nickel this year, which allowed them to get Culliver a lot of experience. I don't know if I see the 49ers going first round for a cornerback, but if Rogers walks, I could see a second day pick on the position.
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From what I’ve seen the defense needs to get better, at olb and cb. I think there should definitely be an upgrade, maybe they can actually press some WRs then. In order to return to the nfcc, niners need a better defense, it’d be nice to add a player with ball skills and return skills, I like Boykins.
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Carlos Rogers
as the post indicates, I think you can’t really know 49ers draft plans at the position until he’s signed / or until it’s clear the 49ers aren’t willing to pony up the cash to keep him.
Assuming Rogers stays, I would love a 4th round CB pick. We have plenty of UDFAs that have been fighting for the position (see Brock; Nelms), but would be nice to have a solid #4 CB that could be developed to be on par with Tarrell Brown (or hopefully better).
Assuming that Rogers is re-signed, no CB drafted in Round 1. But ...
I’d like to see the Niners select a high-potential CB prospect in the 2nd round … one who could push Brown out of the starting lineup in his second season. Good candidates will be available there but the quality level falls off in the third round and later.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 7, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
even if we keep goldson and rogers
wouldn’t mind seeing another corner. brock is still a question mark, reggie smith is probably gone, same with spencer. rather see the niners add depth and a future starter than reach to fill a hole. BPA all the way.
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this.
Even with Rogers, the #4 and #5 CB spot are basically empty, and CB depth is critical in the NFL. If the FO sees someone they like, there is definitely room on the roster.
I just do not see Rogers going anywhere else.
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The top 3 CBs are obviously Carlos, TB & Cully
But look at the back end of the CB position. Spencer was either injured or inactive, and with him getting paid the amount he is. It’s a safe bet he will not be with the team next season . So if they drafted Gilmore or Dennard they would able to upgrade the position while getting younger. Plus like the post mention at the end of the 1st I really don’t think there is a WR who is worthy of a 1st round pick. They could be found in later rounds
by Lok on Feb 6, 2012 5:19 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I like Brown as a 4th CB.
We do need depth at safety and cb.
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What would be you ideal starting CB duo for next season
Rogers & Culliver?
by Lok on Feb 6, 2012 8:18 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
For me personally,
I’d be pretty happy with Rogers and Brown as the starters. Both were pretty solid this year. And have Cully as the 3rd.
Plan B if Rogers isn’t back is Terrell Thomas. Hell, even if Carlos is back I’d love to get Thomas.
Terrell Thomas
Drafted in 2008 out of USC. Had 5 interceptions in both ’09 and ’10 and also had 4 forced fumbles in 2010. Pretty good #2 corner and in run support. He tore his ACL in the preseason this year.
Tarell Brown had a pretty good year, even though 49er fans don’t want to admit it. I like the duo of Rogers/Brown, but I’d also like to get Thomas.
Yeah, I'm not sure why anyone is high on brown. He made some plays on deep balss but he has poor coverage on any other route than the streak.
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huh?
you could make a case that he was our most consistent corner this year, definitely he was our best one in the postseason
Is this a serious comment???
Tarell Brown never has been, isn’t, and never will be our best corner. I for one am OK with him as the #4 corner, but nothing better. My hope is that we go into the 2012 season with this roster of CBs:
1. Carlos Rogers
2. Chris Culliver
3. 2nd Round draft pick — for my money Trumaine Johnson, Brandon Boykin or Josh Norman (pre-Combine assessment)
4. Tarell Brown
5. Training Camp winner from group of Tramaine Brock, Cory Nelms, Curtis Holcomb
I’m with rlott#42 — just don’t understand the satisfaction with Brown.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 7, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
But he was our best corner in the playoffs.
Rogers really struggled with Cruz in the first half, just like he did in week 10, while Brown didn’t have any real problems in the playoffs before his was knocked out, literally, of the Giants game. And Brown was better than Cully was this year.
Brown had a pretty good year, it’s just no one wants to admit it for some reason.
It's odd right?
A player that was bad under the old staff turned out pretty good under the new staff — and people still want to think he’s garbage.
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I was really impressed with the INT he came up with against Brees.
That was an amazing play. But he was burned a number of times this year, either by having guys catch the ball over his head or by costly pass interference penalties. It’s pretty obvious that Carlos Rogers was better.
We still have Harbaugh. So there's hope.
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49ers need 'Game Changers" !
They need to draft players who can change or alter the course of a game….
Positions that do that are………………………………
*Pass Rushers (You all saw what Aldon did), we need to draft another young Pass Rusher to pair with Aldon Smith.
*C.B.’s (we need more big play guys)
*W.R.’s ( face it, Crabtree is not a game changer, he is more of a chain mover)
*R.B.’s ( No longer can depend on Gore going full bore all season, and Hunter more of a change of pace back)
- Big Men in the trenches, O-Linemen and D-Linemen….Yes, we need more ass kickers in the trenches, Justin Smith getting up there in age, and Sopoaga too.
Agree
Impact is needed to complement those few impact players we have, and when you list them, all on defense. Face it, depth is needed at several positions, as we were phenomenally lucky with injuries this year… BUT-
Offensive impact has to be priority one in early draft, and FA.
by TheCatch81 on Feb 6, 2012 8:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't disagree with your assessment at all, but you can't just look at the DEMAND-side ... what's available on the SUPPLY-side is equally important ...
This year’s draft has a large number of capable prospects as the WR and CB positions, but is weak for RBs and OLBs. Thus, while I agree as to your needs assessment, I believe that we should focus on stocking for our biggest single need (WR) and improving the CB roster this year, then, go gangbusters next year for “Aldon’s twin” and “Frank’s replacement”.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 7, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Aldon got a twin?
Yesssss! …. especially if Aldon got the better dance skills and his twin got even better pass-rush skills.
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Center Johnaton Goodwin may be our biggest O-Lne concern because....
Goodwin simply ain’t no young puppy anymore.
The Saints did not re-sign him I think due to more than anthing, they felt his play was on the down side.
He had a good year for us….but typically older players being signed by another team come in highly motivated to prove they can still play to their new team mates…..it’s the second year that these same players start to show their age and then we all recognize WHY their original team (Saints) elected not to re-sign them.
Center concerns me as we have no young stud waiting in the wings…and center is one of the MOST important positions on ANY football team.
Can ANY of these signed players make our 53 man roster in 2012?
and if so, which of them have a shot at getting playing time?
WR-Dontavia Bogan 6-1 / 188 lbs
WR-Joe Hastings 6-0 / 185 lbs
WR-Brett Swain 6-0 / 200 lbs
WR-John Matthews 6-0 / 200 lbs
OC-Chase Beeler 6-3 / 280 lbs
OG- Daniel Kilgore 6-3 / 305 lbs
OG-Mike Person 6-4 / 295 lbs
OT-Derek Hall 6-5 / 305 lbs
DT-DeMarcus Dobbs 6-2 / 275 lbs
DT-Will Tukuafu 6-3 / 290 lbs
DT-Ian Williams 6-1 / 305 lbs
I would think Dobbs and Kilgore both have very decent chances to contribute. I wouldn’t be shocked if Kilgore is the starting RG next season, and if not, he could still be a key backup.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Feb 6, 2012 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
Bogan, Williams, Dobbs and Kilgore.
I like those 4. Bogan has a lot of potential, and I’d love for him to make the team. Williams and Dobbs also look like they have some potential, especially Dobbs who was an un-blockable beast in the preseason. And Kilgore seems like he can become the center-of-the-future.
How does Bogan have potential?
We needed a WR to step up, so how would he be the guy next year and this year he was nothing?
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So how do you see potential if he was on the IR for the year?
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If you watch Bogan’s college highlights he had a lot of potential, he was only in camp for a couple days before getting hurt, so it would be interesting to see what he’s got.
Huh , you can't step up when your on I R the entire year ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
So how do you see potential if he was on the IR for the year?
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Obviously Dobbs is our future
Demarcus Dobbs is Our Future
by MRandolph on Feb 6, 2012 7:39 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Those WRs need to be canned.
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Person, Kilgore & Ian Williams all made the 53 man roster so I would expect them to to be on next year
Especially Kilgore & Person. Kilgore if they don’t go out and sign someone like Carl Nicks will be the RG of the future and Person will be the utility O-linemen much like Snyder has been in the past. Tufuaku would have made the roster but he got hurt and is a restricted FA so I do expect him back. Dobb showed a lot of potential during Training Camp last season so I only expect him to get better. Bogan is the wild card but of his injury, he has a lot of untapped skill and can be a contributor if he is fully recovered. I don’t know if Hastings or Swain will be back, Hastings could find himself back on the P-Squad and Swain is an exclusive rights FA so you never know
by Lok on Feb 6, 2012 8:26 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Tukuafu did make the roster...
He was injured a few weeks into the season and played sparingly on defense in place of McD.
Tukuafu will be back
Before he got injured, he was getting a handful of snaps to spell McDonald. I imagine he’ll pick up where he left off next season, and maybe even work himself into a larger role.
IMHO, building a legitimate d-line rotation needs to be a priority next year. Dobbs, Tukuafu, Williams, and RJF need to take some of the load off Smith and McDonald.
Kilgore and Dobbs for sure. Bogan perhaps
Ian Williams maybe with some work.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 6, 2012 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
Re-Signing Rogers
makes this a depth pick, which is a 3rd or 4th rounder. I also suggested on another thread that Terrell Thomas off NYG, recovering from a torn ACL, could be a cheap alternative on a short deal. If they re-sign Rogers and do a value-type FA signing, I could see them holding off on drafting a CB until next year.
That all being said, continuing to build up the pass rush will help the CB’s more than anything else. Less time for QB to scan the field=less time the CB’s have to cover. So the big money/high draft pick on D should be another pass-rusher, especially if Aldon gets more PT on all downs.
Selecting Gilmore is not depth....
He’s a 1st round pick and potentially a rookie starter. He would come in and be expected to compete with Brown and Culliver for the starting position opposite Rogers. If he can’t beat out both of them, he would likely be expected to fill the role that Culliver did this year.
There’s also the possibility that this pick allows us to move Culliver back to safety, which was his primary position in college.
Even IF Carlos is resigned, the Niners should still invest a round 1-to-3 pick in a CB.
The Niners secondary stayed much healthier than average this season. Look at the Rams and Cardinals, who were basically starting street free agents by the end of the year. You need to have guys that can cover if you want to have a top defense, and I find it hard to see it as a coincidence that Manning threw the TD to Manningham after the Niners put their number 4 cornerback (Brock) on him.
In general, I’d hope the team goes BPA, but I’d be happy if they came out of the draft with Gilmore (who I’m sure they saw on tape last year plenty) or someone like him (Steed? Josh Robinson? Josh Norman?) to push Tarell Brown and to provide depth.
We still have Harbaugh. So there's hope.
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That TD to Manningham wasn't on Brock, he had outside leverage.
Reggie was supposed to help on the inside but he didn’t get there in time.
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by SanFranciscoKnights on Feb 6, 2012 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
You still want your CBs to win 1-on-1 matchups. I see your point, though.
We still have Harbaugh. So there's hope.
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by grantmp on Feb 7, 2012 5:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I agree...
with the mock when he says all the first round worthy WRs will be off the board by #30.
Still may be someone there worth reaching for. But I think the best value at #30 will be an O-Lineman, a defensive back, a running back or a tight end.
That’s seemed to be how it goes in previous drafts at least…
If he fell to the 3rd or 4th, I could see them picking Fleener, but they didn’t reach for any former Stanford players last year (Marecic/Fua, etc.).
We still have Harbaugh. So there's hope.
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by grantmp on Feb 7, 2012 5:24 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Fleener might be a different story...
If he’s near as dynamic a receiver as everyone here claims, then having him on the field with Davis will create match up nightmares for teams. Our problem isn’t simply that we lack WRs, it’s that we lack any type of playmaker outside of Davis and Hunter; and Hunter is a situational player. Fleener could be the #2 TE and a primary receiving threat like Davis is.
If he’s not a 1st round talent then you don’t touch him, but if he’s the best receiving threat on the board and you grade him as a 2nd round pick, you aren’t reaching when you select at #30.
I like Fleener...
but kinda doubt that the Niners would reach for him at #30. How much of an upgrade would he be over Delanie? Other positions need more help.
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Wouldn't bother me
a good TE is as good as a good WR. You can also flex out Walker and Davis to be covered by a CB. No reason to believe Alex Smith is going to start throwing to WRs nine years in. Also, look at what NE could do with two really good TE.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 7, 2012 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
I really don't think there that many positions that need an upgrade
Aside from a real receiving threat, be it WR or TE, we really only need C/G, CB/FS and OLB. Out of those positions, the most realistic for us at #30 without reaching would be C/G, CB and, if Fleener grades that high, him. The WRs are going to be mostly gone by that point, and grabbing one just because we need it is reaching.
As for Walker, we need a better #2 TE for this offense. If we were running the Colts offense where we spread the field with WRs, then Walker is an incredible #2; but we use multiple TEs and could use a bigger receiving threat than Walker as #2. Plus Walker is no longer just a TE; as he moves and does so many things that he’s more of a utility player who happens to be listed as a TE.
by 9thevolution on Feb 7, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The argument for drafting a TE in the 1st is that the Niners need a better *dual-threat* TE.
The Niners want to be able to maintain offensive balance. The obvious advantage of a two-TE offense is that if you have two TEs can block almost as well as offensive linemen and catch almost as well as wide receivers, defenses can’t key on either run or pass on the basis of formation. Plus,
The biggest argument against drafting a TE in the first is that TE is not a premium position. People find those guys all over the draft. Look at Hernandez, who was drafted in the 4th round (!) — and yes, I wanted the Niners to draft him. Teams place more of a premium on cornerbacks and pass rushers. Not to say that the Niners’ draft strategy shouldn’t be contrarian. It’s just unlikely to me that Fleener would be that high on their board.
Delanie is
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Well Walker was never very good at blocking...
then all of a sudden people are prasing his blocking skills. I’d be willing to bet regardless of how the particular TE is pegged as far as receiving vs blocking, the coaches would work it out so that we aren’t a dead giveaway. Though we really do give everything away anyway by always bringing in extra TEs and linemen.
Regardless, we should just be looking at best value for the team and not put a premium on a position because it’s a huge need.
Walker is a guy that can be covered with a Safety pretty easily
The 49ers want a tight end that can be covered by neither safety nor linebacker—or that punishes the opposition for matching one of those up against them in the run game.
We still have Harbaugh. So there's hope.
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The difference is now we have him pulling across the back-side of the formation
He’s still a mediocre to worse straight up blocker. But he’s pretty decent at finding his target in space and keeping them out of the play.
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I like Fleener....
In the 2nd round
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
It's a matter of need where we are.
If we can’t get a good WR at our position then by all means get a CB. As far as OLB, that’s what they got Aldon for last year and they were smart to keep him out of the position this year so he could learn the ropes. I think we’ll see him in OLB next year and DE during pass rush situations.
The good news is there are good WR in free agency, and EVERYONE wants to play for Harbaugh. Even Rogers wants to play for Harbaugh, I believe that. I think we’ll get him and if good WR are off the board by then we can grab a CB to get some more depth.
But again anything can happen in this draft. I mean Seattle could grab a bunch of unheard of people they could have gotten in free agency and others can grab other characters leaving us with a really good WR. It could happen.
Or Andrew Luck stays on the board till 30 :P sarcasim
I wouldn't be crushed
if a guy like Peter Konz drops to 30 and the Niners take the best center in the draft (odds on that happening any draft experts?). I think center is the most pressing need on offense right now (believe it or not). While Goodwin will be around in 2013, having a stud protege ready for 2014 won’t hurt one bit.
I like the team’s QB situation if they resign Alex Smith. Colin Kaepernick will have a full offseason and I’d like to learn what type of potential Harbaugh sees. Say what you will about Alex Smith, but 5 interceptions in 16 games I will take every season. I’m not saying he will never throw more than 5, but even if he throws 10 in 2013, that’s an acceptable total. Heck, 16 and under is acceptable in my opinion, an interception a game or less.
Wide Receiver is a need, but not as pressing as OC. Defensively at CB and FS are easily the team’s most pressing needs. Signing Carlos Rogers is essential, but the need for another CB will still be true. If the team signs Goldson, however, the need for FS would dissipate.
Just my rusty nickel.
(Barring something bizarre such as a catastrophic injury at the combine) He won't drop below 26
Lions very likely take him at 23, their center is old and there has actually been a consensus from Mockniks that they take him. If he slips to 24, somebody from our tier of the draft (Pats, Packers) will be looking to move up in front of the Texans (who might lose their center in FA) and the Broncos (who a road grader, athletic, intelligent pulling center would be a perfect choice) to get him. It’s possible the Texans or Broncos even look to jump in front of the Lions.
If he falls to 24 our 1st and 3rd is equal to the 24th pick. IMO you’re getting a +7 out of that as I think his talent is worth of a 15-17 pick.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 6, 2012 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
1st Round - WR
2nd Round – CB
I say the 49ers take a wide out in the first round, maybe even if they snag one of the top FA targets..I think we need more weapons. But in the second round, what about trading up for Jayron Hosley. That cats an intercepting machine and has great ball skills as a cover corner. I think if Baalke made that happen, we’d be in good shape
Why Hosley? On average from several scouting services, Hosley grades out as the 12th best CB in this draft ...
No question that he has some talent but my biggest problem with him is his size … 5’10" and 172 pounds!! Any of the big wideouts (6’3" or bigger) in the NFL would simply ignore him in coverage. IMO we must do better than that!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 7, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
since when does a cornerback have to be over six feet?
some (most?) of the greatest of all time were around 5’10" sorry just don’t understand that comment.
I know this might sound dramatic
But if we cant keep Rodgers our defense will take a major step back. He has an amazing year. The D Line is amazing but they wouldnt have gotten this far without the secondary.
Losing Goldson would hurt coverage more than Rogers, despite him not being the greatest at coverage
Rogers is a very good CB, but Culliver could likely step in and play well in his place. Remember that on 3rd down Culliver moved to the #1 WR and Rogers moved into the slot.
Not exactly.
When the #1’s didn’t move into the slot against Rogers, Brown spent most of the time on them. Cully is not as good as Rogers…
i think we can all agree on from the 2011 Draft
the players that WE as a fan base have our eyes set on, Baalke & Habraugh are not going to choose. They just have a much more higher knowledge and inside info on who they want on their team.
We just rely on secondary sources and mock drafts. I mean last year with Aldon, Culliver, and Hunter, who saw that coming? And our confidence were surely not up to par at the time.
49ers 2012 Offseason: HELP WANTED at WR, DBs, & O-Line
Yeah, I expect another "WTF?!?" draft
preceded by a "When are they going to sign someone before all the good FA’s are gone?!? " FA period. LOL
After last year’s FA signings and draft I have full confidence in Baalke’s and Harbaugh’s ability to pleasantly surprise us.
"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin
by kailuakid9er on Feb 6, 2012 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
No idea
That being said, in the interest of actually contributing to the topic of this post, I have no idea if or where they’d draft a CB. If they saw someone who is a dead lock for CBOTF-Island then I say they should pick him at 30, but barring that I think we’ll see something more akin to last season. Probably 3rd-4th round.
"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin
by kailuakid9er on Feb 6, 2012 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't see Culliver or Hunter
Saw Aldon. I like it when people bring that up so I can say I called it — and we’ll just sweep the 20 or so times I was completely wrong about who we were getting under the rug.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
i actually checked to see, and story is confirmed. lol
I like it.
Although I wonder why they couldn’t get the Skins to give up at least a 4th.. Smith would have been there at 10.
by Ougadas on Apr 28, 2011 5:43 PM PDT
49ers 2012 Offseason: HELP WANTED at WR, DBs, & O-Line
are there any highlight vids
of this whole season which can make me feel better. just need to leave out that last game
which one?
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by kailuakid9er on Feb 6, 2012 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
Cool
What I’d really like to do is purchase full games. On my list from 2011/12:
@ Philadelphia
@ Detroit
vs. NY Giants
vs. Pittsburgh
vs. New Orleans (playoffs)
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- Peter Griffin
by kailuakid9er on Feb 6, 2012 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
But my money's burning a hole in my pocket!
Haha! That link is awesome, but I’d still like to have a copy of the full game footage if it’s digital or on a disc just to have it.
"SHUT UP MEG!"
- Peter Griffin
by kailuakid9er on Feb 6, 2012 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
Why not Fleener if he's available late?
I almost want to see the niners keep 5 tight ends and only hold onto 4 wide receivers. Go against the grain and get even more creative with the running and passing game :).
I'd be pretty shocked if the Niners didn't draft a TE...
…at some point. Fleener would obviously be great. And while we’re talking about former Stanford players, Shane Skov would be a great later pick-up.
We still have Harbaugh. So there's hope.
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by grantmp on Feb 7, 2012 5:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think if we are looking to the future
We take a corner, but I don’t see us investing a high pick in it unless a special talent falls in our lap.
If you don’t need a polished starter immediately the smartest thing to do is usually to take a guy with good measurables, good instincts, and excellent “football character” but is a little raw technique wise and coach him up. Even if you have to play them, they won’t disappoint that bad.
Hey, that’s Chris Culliver.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Uh, sounds like you're talking about Brandon Brooks ... if he falls to the 5th Round, so we can select him!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 7, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
I see Chilo Rachal in that guy
And in about 3 or 4 other guys who are knocking heads off in the run game. I’m not saying that’s how he will turn out, but that’s what we can expect in pass protection from the guards in this class who need “some coaching up”.
Once you get past the cream of the crop of the guard class I think it’s often better to take a tackle that isn’t quite agile enough and play him at guard.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
I could see us trading outta the 1st round to land a #1 next year, unless someone slips to them at #30.
Where we are picking they really need to just go BPA…makes no sense to draft a WR or CB that won’t produce for a couple years if they feel like they can draft someone who can contribute from day 1.
It doesn't matter what the position is, minus QB...
Whoever gets drafted at #30 will be contributing a fairly significant amount as a rookie. Looking back at what our mid and late round picks did, there’s no way the coaches don’t find a way to get our most talented acquisition on the field.
Looking at the consensus position picks:
WR/TE – If there’s a pick here (Jeffery or Fleener), they will be a starter or likely be involved in 50-70% of the snaps on offense. The more we spread coverage the better, so just being on the field and drawing attention away from Davis/Crabtree is a big help.
OL – We have potential oppenings at C, RG and maybe RT. Even if they don’t start right away, which they will, expect them to be used heavily as an extra blocker on heavy sets; including at FB in jumbo package instead of Soap.
CB/FS – Any pick made for the secondary would be contributing right away in the rotation. Culliver did it as a 3rd round pick and was successful. Expect this player to be part of the rotation and keep some guys a bit fresher. Plus, one injury and he’s in the starting lineup.
I agree, but ... ranking would be WR/TE, then CB/FS, and OL as lesser priority because of our existing depth there.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 7, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
I could agree...
But I also don’t see much value in taking a CB late in the first if the talent level is going to be nearly equal at the end of the 2nd, and there is no FS prospect worthy of a 1st rounder right now. As far as value goes, our best bet is going to be to go OL unless LaMichael James or Trent Richardson slides to #30.
TE would be further down the list.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I agree
though I hope they don’t trade out. We need to make a run next year. Trading out (depending on the deal) seems to suggest we don’t need upgrades or don’t expect to make a run, neither which are true.
QB, ILB, OT are more or less off limits, but every other position is best available.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 7, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Weeeeelllll, I am not
entirely sure corner is so necessary anymore – see Patriots, Superbowl and Giants – Superbowl and all the high class corners that helped them get there.
See Amunukamara, Prince and his massive impact on the Giants this year. My new theory is Pass Rush, Pass Rush, Pass Rush, Pass Rush, Pass Rush, Pass Rush, Pass Rush – scheme for sub par corners if you have enough Pass Rush – cannot scheme for a lack of pass rush with cover corners.
Dear Santa NFL Draft,
Please can I have another Pass Rusher or WR or both with one or two of the round 2’s I trade for my round 1. CB would be nice if it the right kind of player but not essential.
Just a thought
Would you guys agree with this list cause I have some Seahag disagreeing with my on 49ers draft needs on MTD...
IF they can’t trade up for Konz & have to pick at #30
1a. CB/S (have to resign Rogers & Goldson, back ups are FA’s as well ie. Reggie Smith)
1b. OLB ( thin at this position after Aldon & Haralson, team has to re-sign Brooks the starter on other side)
3. WR (put this here because they will go FA & draft one as well)
4. OG preferably on the right side ( will resign Snyder because he’s good a utility man at C & both OG plus much better than previous starter/1st rnd pick Chilo Rachal)
5. RB (yes they have Gore & Hunter but they are looking for another not overly joyed with Dixon eventhough he’s not bad at special teams)
6. BPA maybe another CB/S/OLB
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
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