Have not heard this QB scenario
by Nahmmy on Feb 6, 2012 9:43 PM PST
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I hear that Harbaugh has again expressed his confidence in Alex Smith. What else do we expect him to say. Smithnhad a great year by the standards we have become familiar with over the last few years. I personally look no farther than the 3rd down conversion rate in the NFC Championship Game. Having said this, Smith deserves a shot. Manning is too big a risk and the cost would cripple the rest of the team. It is not feasible to think that there is someone in the draft capable of coming in and earning the job. What other options are available?
How about this? The Cleveland Browns will pick 4th in the upcoming Draft. Prognosticators say they will select RGIII. I think that Colt McCoy could be available and may be a nice fit. The cost will be reasonable and he is young enough to have a long future in front of him. Personally, I think he is already as good as Alex Smith with far more potential.
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I don't really see it. I think he's already as good as he's going to be
Although Harbaugh could probably coach him up a bit. I don’t think he’s as good as Alex. I don’t really know much about him I guess. He just hasn’t impressed me much with the Browns. As far as the 3rd down conversion thing goes, I blame it more on our receivers not getting open against a peaking defense. I look more to the two big touchdowns and the fact that Smith (and the rest of the team) had us in position to win it until KDub’s first botched punt return (which I will eventually forgive him for. The moment was to big for the youngster).
WWJHD?
Nice creativity
The whole RG3 thing creates all sorts of possibilities with teams potentially unloading QBs. The problem is it all happens after free agency so they might be stuck with these types of QBs into camp.
What was the Giants 3rd Down conversion rate
in the Superbowl? For some reason I recall it being dreadful going into the 4th quarter…and yet they won the whole thing, the Niners offense seem to get very boom or bust in the playoffs with huge gains or nothing and I am not sure that would be addressed by better WR play than QB play and that is down to having only Crabtree fit and no real depth at the position going into the playoffs – my one organisational grumble for the last season.
As for Colt McCoy – Anyone who comes in has to be obviously better than Alex, not the eye test, not thoughts or college history but actual in the NFL much better play. Right now Colt McCoy does not have that, he does not have the stats, he does not have the discipline the offense requires and he does not have the history. None of the QB’s who have the necessary qualifications to automatically displace Smith are going to be available. And that is before you factor in the Harbaugh & Smith mutual appreciation society.
they definitely have a man crush thing going on
WWJHD?
by NoDakNiner on Feb 7, 2012 2:14 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
IMO, there is no QB available this offseason that is an upgrade over Alex
(Peyton Manning included) We all know that Peyton is a far better QB than Alex, but with the injury, age, and the fact that Peyton would have to learn a new offense for the 1st time in his career, I don’ think it’ll be a smart move. He would take A LOT of money that could be spent on other players….I just don’t see the FO going through with a deal like that.
I think the best move would be to resign Alex, spend some cash on WR & CB & continue to develop Colin.
Have you spoke with Manning's agent? Have you seen the 49ers playbook?
Since both answers are NO, I think this comment is laughable.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Since the offense Peyton ran looks nothing like ours, so he would have to learn a new offense....
This comment is just as laughable.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Feb 7, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You think he couldnt learn another system? thats laughable.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
To implement it like the one that made him famous? No
It would take him another 2 full seasons to begin to have the mastery of it to pick apart defenses like he did in Indy
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Really? Alex was alright without an offseason. Id take Peyton with one over Alex with two. But only a healthy Peyton.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I dunno
On paper a healthy Peyton is awesome. But I’d rather not be the Vikings and risk 10 years of dominance for a slightly better chance at a Super Bowl this year. I dunno. The Vikings showed that nothing’s guaranteed regardless of who’s under center.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
peyton is healthy, I guarantee it!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 10, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
I know I'd certainly take no word over his.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 11, 2012 5:16 AM PST up reply actions
3rd down conversion rate
FYI – In the post-season NY Giants -44.4% – Niners – 5 out of 28 for 17.9%
bingo lol
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 7, 2012 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
last time the niners were not within the bottom four of the league on 3rd down was 2008 which happened to be the year that someone was on injured reserve
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 7, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Hakeem Nicks and Cruz are great aren't they.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Definitely no Brett Swain and Kyle Williams.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Best in the league over the last 10 weeks.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
Ummmmmm........
Though I appreciate your stance on McCoy……..I Lol’d a little when I read this…..Alex Smith earned his role as starter for this team. Please try to remember that the team had no off season and little time to grasp another new offense. Harbaugh and Smith, with a full year and last season under their belts, will put a much improved product on the field. The difference between good and great is very small……a missing piece here and there, some reflection on play calling style, and Harbaugh’s acclimation to the league will greatly improve this team.
Alex haters will always look to the “other” guy who “should” be here. Grasping at straws and quick fixes is not going to help. Over priced, old, has-beens can also stay away. Ask Minnesota about McNabb….how is Kolb working out in AZ? No thanks………
by Youve been Gored on Feb 7, 2012 5:50 AM PST reply actions
"earned"
the offense was horribly pathetic this year. alex improvements this year: not having stupid high school plays like running backwards and fumbling and throwing less pic’s. regressions are yards per game and touchdowns per game.
Niners were near the bottom in many statistical categories this year including passing yards per game, touchdown passes per game, third down conversion( last time the niners where not near the bottom here was when someone was on IR).
The theory of no off season sounds nice also; but if this was true the offense would show signs of progression during the season. With one of the worst if not the worst performance on offense during the last game of the year this theory does not hold water.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 7, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think the Browns would be in a rush to get rid of him
Nor do I think he’s worth giving up really any value for.
Matt Flynn
why doesnt anybody ever bring him up?
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Going South....
Matt Flynn is most likely going to Miami following his coach, according to reports I read.
by Youve been Gored on Feb 7, 2012 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
We didn't even outbid the Dolphins for Jim Harbaugh.
You want to outbid them for Matt Flynn?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
and why wouldnt he want to start for a playoff bound team?
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Because he has very limited game experience and could very well be a fluke...
Don’t forget that Flynn has sat in the same offense for a few years and has one of the best coaching staffs and mentor to learn from. He is also surrounded by a ridiculous team of receivers and an OL who can pass protect.
If he goes to another team as a FA and proves he’s in fact a real franchise-type QB, then good for him, but it’s not worth throwing around $60m for an unproven commodity. We are not the Cardinals grasping at straws because our HC is at a loss since Kurt Warner retired on him.
by 9thevolution on Feb 7, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I believe so too....
Personally wanted Niners to pursue him last year to compete with Smith, but that ship has sailed and I don’t think he’s worth the $60m it will cost to bring him in.
by 9thevolution on Feb 7, 2012 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
That's not saying much at all.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Wasnt trying to, just pointing it out.
He looks better than what we have.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Because we know who Kevin Kolb is.
Flynn was not good in college. One start where he played great, and everybody wants to throw money like crazy at him.
Kolb version 2.0.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
because why?
he led an offense with very little wideout presence and primarily a run game to a winning record ……
sound familiar?
his career completion % is much higher than alex’s
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Campbell is mediocre at best
Sprinkle a few quality games into a lot of bad performances…no thanks. If you’re going to roll the dice with a mediocre vet QB that you hope can develop into a top QB, you might as well stick with Alex. There is absolutely nothing in Campbell’s game that suggests he’d be substantially better than Alex. All you’d do is set us back a year, hoping that 2012 Campbell could be as good as 2011 Alex and then progress from there.
all the reasons for alex are even more emphasized when with Campbell.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 7, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know if he's better than Alex
Campbell’s numbers are pretty much identical to Alex Smith. 60% completion rate, 7.1 yards per carry. The thing is, Campbell played for a much better offense, with dangerous receivers, one of the best running backs in the game, and a surprisingly dominant offensive line (they only gave up 25 sacks all season). So if Campbell came to the 49ers, I imagine he would do worse than what Smith was able to do this year.
Maybe we could trade Moran Norris for Tim Tebow
Tebow would be like the best fullback ever to play in the NFL.
Colt McCoy did absolutely nothing for the Browns. Why would you want to go backwards? Alex was actually pretty good this year.
"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that."
--Jerry Rice
Colt McCoy is a good WCO QB....
but I think he needs to be developed. He was very accurate when he played for Texas. He’d be a good backup or someone to push Kaep….IMO Alex is a much better option that both Kaep or Colt. I’d be happy if we got McCoy cheap….but I wouldn’t want him (or Kaep) to start next season.
I want to see Alex behind center next season with another target for him to throw to. I want to see if he continues to get better like he has this season. He’s earned it.
Alex Smith>Colt McCoy
I mean really!!!
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2012 10:18 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
not even a question about it.
first year alex smith vs<<<< first year colt mccoy
second year alex smith vs <<<<< second year colt mccoy
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 7, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, Alex Smith's 2nd year had a higher QB rating than McCoy's 2nd.
He also threw more TDs, higher completion percentage, higher Y/A, higher Y/C, more TDs, more yards, etc.
Only thing Colt Did better was throw 5 less INTs, but Alex more than makes up for that with his other numbers.
Less pics is huge and he was on pace to have more touchdowns than alex.
throwing pics is the only thing alex did this year. lol
not even close who had a better second year
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 7, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
That's because Colt threw the ball more.
Their TD percentages were 3.0 (Colt) and 3.6 (Alex).
Their 2nd years were very close to each other regardless of how you try to spin it.
Also, Alex the past 3 years has been much better than Colt the past 2 years, and Alex has also improved more over that time span. That is much more relevant, not how Alex played 5 years ago.
Alex is also just a flat out better QB. One of his biggest complaints is his deep ball, which McCoy is much worse at. McCoy also has a weaker arm. Most Brown fans I know want RGIII because they feel McCoy just isn’t a legitimate starting QB.
if a qb is trusted to throw the ball more that is saying something right there.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 7, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
No, not really.
That’s the year Gore ran for nearly 1700 yards and was averaging 5.4 ypc.
Not really a reason to throw it a bunch when your RB is having a career year.
Logic is frowned upon in Alex talks.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
logic? so stating nonfactual rhetoric is logic?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
Smith is perfectly capable of guiding this team to a Super Bowl.
Just my 2 cents.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
really?
Based on what? I mean our defense obviously has to play better, due to the struggling offense, so how would that make Smith perfectly capable?
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
1. Get him some better options at WR.
Vernon Davis was carrying that offense. But that doesn’t mean that Smith can’t — he just needs more and better targets.
2. He took you guys to within a fumble of the Super Bowl! If the PR does his job, Smith takes the field and is 50 yards from immortality. There’s no reason to think that he cannot bring the SB to SF.
It’s easy to pass judgment after, but I agree with Harbaugh. If the 49ers had won the SB, do you think they’re looking for a new QB?
I’m just saying, give the guy some WRs and perhaps 13-3, in the CC game becomes better.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 7, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Get him some receivers?
And we say this because they had no production or because these wrs can’t produce? I haven’t seen the film, but I have seen open receivers not being thrown to. It’s hard to be certain without watching every snap, and since I haven’t seen every snap, I form my opinion off of what I have seen during games.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Well, I'm sure you know a lot more about him than I do.
It just seems you were very successful with him this year. They say if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. I think it would be foolhardy to not have him the starter next year and look for improvement in what is really almost like his 2nd year.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 7, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Complicated problems
Sometimes the guys don’t get open until after their read point, which is worthless, the QB has already moved to his next read, catch ya next time.
Also, some routes have to be thrown open. This is the big boys league and you can’t just throw to open receivers.
Some routes are open and he won’t throw them because of the risk involved. I can say I’ve seen him check away from a post to Vernon a couple times earlier in the year when there was no safety coming down on it and Vernon had position.
This is just what we get when we take a college offense and run it ultra-conservatively with poor talent left over from a long line of failed regimes who put together one hell of an island of misfit toys.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
by Ougadas on Feb 7, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
a fumble away from the SB this year withno offseason and a revolving door of receivers
And you have to ask the question? You are more than a little biased against him
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 7, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
The excuses flow like wine
How about recognizing the fact that he got all the way to the NFCCG and the offense (ergo, Alex Smith) played like horse crap during the most important game of the year? Instead of just "Yeah they got there (no thanks to Smith), but because he had no offseason he’s great!!!!!’
But rlott42, he is capable of taking the team to the Super Bowl. But in order for it to happen, the 49ers defense has to play almost perfect week in and week out. Which they did this season about as well as you can. And he still didn’t.
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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 7, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
I guess the giants should cut Eli Manning for playing like horse crap in the NFCC game as well. Same stats, same performance.
yeah, because completing 32 passes for 316 yards and 2 TDs is the same as completing 12 passes for under 200 yards and 2 TDs with no 3rd down conversions
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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 7, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
most of ours
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
It must be hell living in a world where you can only see bits and pieces of information
Both threw the same number of TDs, no interceptions,
Manning had 58 attempts / 32 completions and averaged 9.875 yards per completion (including YAC)
Smith had 26 attempts / 12 completions and averaged 16.33 yards per completion (including YAC)
Smith had 42 rushing yards to Manning’s -2.
Don’t think a single analyst thought Eli out played Alex in the NFCCG.
Smith had 26 attempts / 12 completions and averaged 16.33 yards per completion (including YAC)
Yeah, Vernon had a 73 and 28 yard TD reception. 101 passing yards coming from 2 plays.
And of course Eli is going to throw it more; they couldn’t run on us, and their WRs were tearing us apart.
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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 7, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
And our WRs couldn't get open against single coverage
When the Giants collapsed the middle of the field on VD
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Also valid.
Roman did not exactly have a good game. After the Giants decided to not let Vernon beat them no matter what there was no adjustment. On that last Niners 3rd down in OT when Alex completed to Vernon for 13 yards, there were 3 guys within 4 yards of Vernon. They all but tripled him and our WRs still weren’t getting open.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
OC
I couldnt’ figure out why we didn’t have more passes to crabtree running the slant.
I realize Crabtree had a horrible performance on three pass plays in the slant, failing to make a great catch on a tipped ball, dropping a ball, and failing to fight for the ball.
That said, I think they needed to keep going to him on that type of slant because he managed to get open, the risk of an interception was low and the potential gains were pretty high with two CBs on VD. Crabtree catches one of those and breaks a tackle, you’re looking at a 25-30 yard gain.
We should've run the slant
5-10 times a game this year
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
does alex smith throw a good slant pass?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
?
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"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
Yup
And Delanie caught a dime for a pretty big TD. Vernon caught one on a post that was only about 5 yards longer than a slant
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 10, 2012 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
as delanie or vernon? I do not get what you are trying to say?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2012 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
the few times we ran it this year it worked out alright
ask the eagles. but it didn’t get called very often. Maybe that’s why. Maybe he doesn’t. I don’t think that’s it though.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
almost perfect week in and week out?
Not quite. The defense had its struggles against the Saints and Eagles. The first Giants game the defense was not almost perfect by any stretch. I understand the point you’re trying to make, but that doesn’t make it any less an exaggeration.
by David Fucillo on Feb 7, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
my point is that if this team really is the best in the league, the defense shouldn’t have to play lights out almost week in and week out to win
yes, the defense played a bit of a letdown against the saints allowing big plays. but it was expected the saints would do well AND THEY FORCED 5 TURNOVERS.
they played almost as well as a team can play against the giants (excluding lol 0 total yards and 10 INTs), and any halfway competent offense should have beat the giants comfortably
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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 7, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Come on Fooch....
Stop using logic!!!
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Excuses always flow from the excuse accusers.
Any time a fan comments about the problems that the offense had that does not put most (or all) of the blame on the QB, the accusers start yelling “excuses.” It is the accusers who are full of excuses for their very biased attacks. Data, explanations, more info mean nothing to the infallible accusers.
the giants made brady and rogers and ryan look like crap too
But alex should do better with less talent on the offense
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 7, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Less talent? Prove that!!
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
you could try looking at the receivers on those teams compared to ours
Or you could ignore the blatantly obvious and say prove it.
The packers yes, but, they sat for three weeks, they should’ve been rusty. And under no circumstances would you take Alex over any of those qbs. Also, they didn’t look as crappy as Alex. That had better production on third down and their receiving options dropped more balls.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
i never said I'd take alex over any of those qbs
Just that they also struggled playing against the giants with more talent around them. And now you’re making excuses about the packers sitting for too long.
Brady doesnt have more talent around him.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
When you include the offensive line he does for sure
Matt Light, Mankins, Connolly (the weak link), Waters (who was better than All-Pro caliber Mankins this year), Solder
Then Welker, Gronk, Hernandez, Branch (better than K. Williams for sure), Green-Ellis
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
Brady makes his players appear to be better. Aside from Gronk, I give the niners the nod. Gore, Davis, Crabtree, Walker and plus the niners defense, the biggest constant on offense.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Brady doesn't make that line better.
They make him better by a factor of 10
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have to agree with this
I mean, jees, these guys were manhandling the G-men’s
“Elite 4” lineman all day long and Brady still had time to hold the ball enough to throw safeties and sacks.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Gronk > VD (Not by that much though they are just different a different style of TE and Gronk is better in the Red Zone cause he’s massive)
Hernandez >> Delanie
Welker >>> Crabtree
Branch > Kyle Williams
Green Ellis << Gore
Matt Light = Joe Staley
Mankins > Iupati
Goodwin > Connolly
Waters >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Snyder/Rachel
Solder >>>Anthony Davis
Alex Smith > Tom Brady
Niners Defense >>>>>>> NE’s D
Talent around Brady still seems significantly better at least as far as the offense goes.
It
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
Waters played like Snyder or worse in the SB.
Smith>Brady………there’s no need to ever take you seriously.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Waters played like Snyder or worse lol
There’s no reason to ever take you seriously either. NE ran the ball right down the gut repeatedly and Brady got all day to pass. We got rejected on runs up the middle.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
The threat of the pass opened more holes than the lineman.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Waters played well though
Their center isn’t too great but even he is decent enough.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Personally I feel Iupati has Mankins potential
We NEED a RG/C though.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Iupati has more potential than Mankins.
He needs to eliminate the mental mistakes. Might need better coaching… Might need more time in 1 system with consistency around him. His physical abilities are sky-high.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 8, 2012 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
IMO Iupati has more that is
It’s hard to state that as fact when Mankins is a former 3X All Pro
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 8, 2012 12:16 AM PST up reply actions
I don't really think Gronk is better than Davis
he’s just used better. Plus Davis didn’t really grasp the O until the latter half of the season. I think talent-wise they’re pretty even.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
He's better in the red zone
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Better hands and a bigger target.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
i'll give you the hands.
VD dropped some eeeeeaaaaaasy catches this year. I think he has a pretty big year next season though. Once he started figuring out the offense he started having some big games.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
He started figuring out the offense about yhe time he dropped those passes.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Not arguing with you
Knowing the offense doesn’t make you catch better
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
actually it can
If you don’t understand your responsibilities well enough, you can be focussed on that. And not be able to concentrate enough on making the catch
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 10, 2012 3:21 AM PST up reply actions
Nah I don't see it in these playoffs at least
Gore, who we inexplicably underutilized in the 2nd half (not Alex’s fault). Crabtree has #2 or #3 speed and #1 hands (#4 hands in the playoffs). I think Gronk and Hernandez are both better than Walker (don’t get me wrong, Walker is legit). He has the dropsies and fumbling issues sometimes too, and besides I don’t think he was 100% back from his jaw injury and wasn’t figured into the offense much because of it. If he’s healthy I’d put our TE’s up against theirs any day of the week though. Figure in their superior offensive line and the fact they’ve been in the same system for a decade and I think it’s pretty clear the Pats O is significantly better than the Niners O in every aspect except Davis and Gore (who as I said, wasn’t utilized like he should’ve been for some reason). That being said, our O had us in position to win until 2 horrific mistakes by KW. In the Pat’s case, their O had them winning but their D got owned by Eli. Without that 1st botched PR, I think we’re Super Bowl champs.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
can I have some of what you're smoking?
Assize from VD the weapons Alex has aren’t even close to what Brady has
LoL
Change the argument completely. That’s what I’d do.
GB and NY have receivers who are a hundred times better than ours. Fact.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Giants # 3 and 4 are better than our #1 WR
Packers #3 and 4 are about equal to Crabtree.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Now if Morgan comes on he might be better than Manningham or Driver
But Crabtree certainly isn’t.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
This years schedule will not be repeated.
Chances the defense repeats the turnover performance again, are slim. Without those turnovers, the offense can avg what it did this season? Hard to believe.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
exactly
this defense played almost as well as a defense can (let alone a few games of letdowns) all season long, and this was possibly our best chance to win (because we should have beaten the giants and likely would have beaten the patriots) and they blew it
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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 7, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
And another year with an offseason
Wont help at all I’m guessing.
Gotta love one sided views.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Ive seen the guy in an offense year two, hes damaged goods just you wait.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
That wasn't an offense, it was a travesty
Opposing defenses were calling our plays, for #@!$’s sake
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
Lol one game because the head coach knew he could run on yhat atrocious run d.
Quit blaming Raye for what is Singletarys fault.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
that one game was the lowest in a season of lows
but Raye’s offense was horrible. Singletary’s only contribution on offense was “punch ’em in the mouth.”
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
I know, right?
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
We were fifth in the league in turnovers forced
What makes you think we can’t be around fifth or 6th again?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Look at how often that happens. The game we dont get a turnover we lose.
So be content with a QB that can’t produce without his defense.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
The game we don't get a turnover but give up 2 we lose
sounds pretty normal to me
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
That's what happened when Brees lost to the Rams right?
They didn’t cause any turnovers and Brees threw 2 picks
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
Um.....
Because without a flukey PR fumble, he was probably on a do just that.
Rocket science it’s not.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
No it isnt, but to think the team would have scored is comical. They had one third down conversion all game.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
They had 3. One they elected to take the penalty instead
Then they had a 3rd and 19 that wasn’t converted where they took the penalty
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
One before half that was given and one off a penalty. One conversion to me.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Fair enough
I actually count the one that they elected to take the penalty instead as the most legitimate pickup myself. And Alex shares in that blame. But it’s definitely SHARES in it as according to ESPN he was pressured on 58.3% of our 3rd downs and he was 4 of 8 for 47 yards.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
fyi
the offense sucked horribly this year. biggest difference in year passed is the incredibly awesome special teams and defense. If the defense does not get turnovers and/or the special teams does not do superbly and we see what happens; we lose.
Can alex smtih be the quarterback on a team with a great defense AND a great special teams that goes to the Super Bowl; yes. Can alex smith be the quarterback on a team with a average defense and/or average special teams that goes to the Super Bowl; no.
http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/24/cosell-talks-for-alex-smith-what-a-difference-a-week-made/
Last time the Niners were not near the last in 3rd down conversion was the year alex smith was on IR.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 7, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
So they weren't dead last...they were 22nd, which is still bottom third
And that was with Mike “Seven-Step Drop Dead” Martz as OC. He should have had us in the top 10 – didn’t happen thanks to his pet QB, J.T. O’Turnover.
If Hill hadn’t come on like gangbusters at the end of the year, we probably would have finished lower than 22nd in third-down converts. Without Alex.
22nd is much better than than bottom three or the the bottom!
and it is telling about the last seven years and when the team completed a better 3rd down efficiency
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 12:42 AM PST up reply actions
We get it already, you don't like Alex Smith
Your methodology would hold up a lot better if Alex had started every game every year, so this season you have a legitimate gripe. But the last time Alex started all 16 games (2006), they were 26th in 3DP – not great, but hardly “bottom three”.
I guess Rattay, Dorsey, Pickett, Dilfer, Hill, O’Sullivan and Weinke all get a pass for the 2005-2008 seasons, because none of them stink, right? Hill is the only one of that group I would have trusted more than Alex – and even he doesn’t get off lightly.
Yeah, 22nd is better than 31st, but “much” better? If you’re in the bottom 33 percent of third-down conversions, it still means you’re a horrible offensive team. Martz should have been fired for that fact alone.
Oh, and by the way, they were 26th in 2004. Guess you’ll want to blame Alex for that, too.
The last time our offense was good was when Garcia and Owens
were in their prime. Hearst as well, though I guess he wasn’t in his “prime” in the early 2000s, but he was still playing extremely well.
Plus, in our apparently best offense of the Alex era, 2008
what was our record? Was our offense stellar this year? Not at all. Yet we still had a decent scoring average and record. Plus a LOT of missed opportunities because of dismal RZ play calling. Alex won more games for us than he lost this year (which is none). Our O didn’t have a great game against the Giants, but still had us in position to win it. It wasn’t Alex or our O or D that lost us that game, it was one guy on ST.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
so in the last 7 years the best 3rd down % came when alex smith did not play one game does not show or count for anything?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
22nd in the league?
no. no it doesn’t. crap is crap. 3rd down conversion % is a team stat. Not every play is a pass.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
You know the Browns need McCoy to transition to RG3, right?
The Browns are absolutely putrid outside of Joe Thomas and I would think Holmgren is smart enough to not trade away his starting QB before the draft even occurs only to march out the #4 pick to get killed every week. If the Browns sign a QB in FA that they expect to start, they would likely still keep McCoy as an insurance policy; especially since he’s cheap.
As a backup sure
but McCoy is basically a smaller version of Alex 5 years ago. Great college QB that is thrown into a bad situation and gets the crap knocked out of him along with his confidence. Why waste another year with this defense? Harbaugh already spent an entire season rebuilding a broken QB. We should at least take the car out for a spin before buying another clunker.
by throwthedamnball on Feb 7, 2012 11:06 AM PST reply actions
first year alex smith vs<<<< first year colt mccoy
second year alex smith vs <<<<< second year colt mccoy
We should at least take the car out for a spin before buying another clunker.
Darn right it is a “clunker”
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 7, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
steve young? you serious? wow!!!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 7, 2012 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
You've got to be kidding me
Nobody in their right mind could take an honest look at Colt Mccoy and think he is even an equal to Alex Smith, let alone an upgrade. Also, you think Mccoy has more potential than Smith? Wow. You’re entitled to your opinion, but I couldn’t disagree more. In my eyes Smith has far more potential, and it isn’t even close.
Alex Smith went from "We Want Carr!" to "The Run" and "The Catch 3."
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Jim Harbaugh and Alex Smith are our future!
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that stats shown something clearly the opposite
first year alex smith vs<<<< first year colt mccoy
second year alex smith vs <<<<< second year colt mccoy
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7177 alex smith
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/24060 colt mccoy
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 7, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe you should actually look at the stats you posted - Alex Smith > Colt McCoy (slightly)
Second Year Alex Smith:
16 starts, 74.8QB rating, 58.1% completion, 2890yards, 180.1 yards a game, 6.5yards/attempt, 16TDs, 16ints, 2 rushing 2TDs, 147 rushing yards, 35 sacks, 202, 5 lost fumbles
Second Year Colt McCoy
13 starts, 74.6QB rating, 57.2% completion, 2733yards, 210.2 yards a game, 5.9 yards /attempt, 14TDs 11Ints, 0 rushing TDs, 212 rushing yards (3.5 per attempt), 32sacks, 2 lost fumbles
to sum up, pretty poor performance from both.
ya, first year alex smith threw 11 interceptions and one touchdown, first year colt mccoy 6 td and 9 picks
completion percentage 605 for mccoy and 50% for alex smith; second year colt mccoy is already throwing more touchdowns than interceptions….
Colt McCoy also did not have Mike McCarthy or Norve Turner guiding him in his first two years. And if it was not for the most dirtiest and cheapest player in the league Colt McCoy would have had a few more touchdowns than Alex did in his second year with again less int’s than td’s.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 7, 2012 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
never disagreed with the first year stats, just second year stats
Alex had a better QB rating, better yards per attempt, and 18TDs to 16INTs (yes, rushing TDs count as TDs too). One could make the argument that they put up the same performance, but clearly, McCoy wasn’t better.
clearly when interception are huge and at this point in alex career his only argument for another shot at starting was his number of interceptions. Colt McCoy was having a solid second year and throwing more touchdowns than interceptions which is Huge!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 7, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
14TDs to 11Ints is still a BAD ratio and is statistically equal to 18TDs to 16Ints.
And you can’t just ignore rushing TDs, that’s an important part of the game.
Indeed.
And as I said before, how Alex played 5 years ago isn’t really relevant to how he or Colt is playing now.
comparing the two which is the point of this post!!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 7, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Why don't you compare how each player did the most recent year they played?
You won’t, because Alex beat Colt in nearly every statistical category and unarguably had a much, much, much better season.
yards per game, touch downs per game and third down conversion Colt McCoy did better than Alex Smith
alex only beat mccoy in pic’s and completion percentage.
Again, not nearly every category is completely wrong.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
Alex had the higher TD%.
McCoy having more TDs per game (which is false if you count the playoffs). Also, if you count Alex’s rushing TDs, he has more TDs per game in the regular season. 3rd down conversion is an offensive stat, not a QB stat. McCoy having more yards per game is because he throws the ball more often (due to a number of factors, playing from behind more often, etc).
So yes, Alex beat McCoy in pretty much everything that mattered.
Let the past go.
2005 has NO BEARING on now. None. At all.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
really?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 12:51 AM PST up reply actions
First year stats , One player was drafted to the worst Team in The National Football League , dude gets a mulligan ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
****breaking news***** the browns are freaking awesome!!!
hyperbole right back at you!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 12:40 AM PST up reply actions
Love the way AleX OWN's you ...
… you spending way to much time trying to find dogmatism in your approach and always failing … Here’s the Facts the TEAM, Coaches & Players love the guy , believe in the guy and he will be back , those are the Facts and there undisputed …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Oh "boy"...!!!
love the way that alex smith has a hold over you and you worship him!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 10, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Who is arguing that Alex Smith's first two years were good?
The only thing you are pointing out is that both QBs were not very good their first two years, how does that in any way prove the 9ers should go after McCoy?
I genuinely don’t understand what you are trying to prove with this line of thinking.
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by Virginia9er on Feb 7, 2012 7:11 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Your using those stats as an objective representation of each player's play
Not taking into account offensive personnel, coordinators/assistants, and HC.
All I can say is…“O boy…”!!!
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uhm,, Mike McCarthy and Mike Martz wear Super Bowl rings............................................... Hello and ten o boys right back at you!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 12:44 AM PST up reply actions
Mike Martz inherited a legit team with multiple HoF's on it when he won
and what has he done since then besides get fired from every OC job he’s had? Martz had the perfect personnel for his system. Since all he’s done is try to shoehorn his system into personnel groups that had no business running it. Mike McCarthy had a terrible team in SF and it took him what, six years to get his first ring? Rogers wasn’t “OMG AARON ROGERS” until this season (but has been great, if not elite). The only other year we had a legit OC, Norv, Alex had his best statistical season until this year. And then Norv leaves after 1 year. Story of Alex’s career right there. In between we had the worst coaching staffs and FO in football (exaggeration but not far off).
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
Alex had better statistical seasons in 09 and 10 over 06.
I don’t know why everyone acts like Alex was complete and utter garbage until this season. He was average the 2 years before Harbaugh got there.
oh "boy"
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2012 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
1st and 2nd year stats aside
Niners have no compelling reason right now, this offseason, to trade for McCoy and certainly not to replace Alex. McCoy sat out the last 3 games of the season because Harrison scrambled his brain, he’s got a pretty weak arm to begin with and I’ve never been entirely convinced he’s the same QB since getting knocked out of the BCS championship a couple years back.
Again, regardless of the ridiculous stat breakdowns, right now McCoy is not playing as well as Smith. Smith has more confidence than he ever has in his career because of Harbaugh. Niners just missed the Superbowl by inches this season and you’re talking about “Colt McCoy.” (Insert Iverson quote here)
The loudest argument against McCoy is that the Browns are already willing to move on from him. Taking Mike Holmgren’s table scraps will not lead us to another ring.
by throwthedamnball on Feb 9, 2012 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
it is speculation at this point about mccoy and rg3 looks to be pretty awesome and would probably be the number one pick if not for uber hyped andrew luck.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2012 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you for pointing out the obvious
Wonderful wasting time on arbitrary stats.
by throwthedamnball on Feb 10, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
thank you for saying thank you
and what stats?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 10, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know the exact numbers, so if that's true I'll concede it
but a competent offense is quite determinable from one that isn’t. Norv was the last one we had until this year. And this year it was simplified and incomplete.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
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by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Feb 7, 2012 7:54 PM PST reply actions
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