What the 49ers Should Do This Offseason
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I'm not embarrassed to say that I got really pissed off at the end of the NFC Championship game. I was so pissed off, in fact, that I took a two week break from all things sports. No ESPN, no podcasts, no SB Nation, no NBA 2K12 - anything to do with sports whatsoever. I took a break from it all until the Super Bowl.
But it's time for myself, and for us all, to come to terms with what happened. The 49ers should have won that game. They could have converted a third down. Kyle Williams could have fallen on his first loose ball or secured his second. They could have gotten more than one catch for three yards from their wide receivers. They didn't, they lost, and the Giants won the championship (which are words I hope to repeat in nine months). And now it's time for the Niners' front brass to figure out what to do next year. Here's what I'd set my to-do list as this offseason if I were in their place.
DISCLAIMER: I am not pretending to know more than the 49ers front office and coaches. If they make a move I don't like or you don't like, it's almost certainly been well-researched and comes from a place of greater knowledge (and greater information - we only watch as fans, they're observing MUCH more) than any of us has.
Free Agency
- Resign Alex Smith. Was he great in the NFC Championship game? No, he was not. He finished with only 12 completions on 26 attempts, and while some long passes to Vernon Davis inflated his passer rating, his QBR (which isn't the be-all end-all of QB stats but counts for something) was only 30.6 (for the uninitiated, QBR grades on a scale of 0-100, with 50 being average). He also had trouble on third downs - the Niners finished 1 for 13, with the only conversion being on a Hail Mary to end regulation that converted but did not score. That said, though, we must be careful not to let sample size affect our judgement. Remember, Smith was incredible in the New Orleans game, and he had a great season despite not having many weapons to speak of. Besides, we don't have any better options - trading up high enough in the draft to get Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III would require a massive investment, and the only free agent options are Matt Flynn (who is rather unproven, and anyway is likely to follow his former OC, Joe Philbin, to the Dolphins) or Peyton Manning, who is great but would require a massive overpayment and has questionable health. Nay, says I. Alex Smith has earned a chance with a stable coaching staff that's good for him, and the Niners should focus on putting more weapons around him. Since I'm sure Smith's grateful to Harbaugh for having faith in him and does not want to switch systems again when he has a good situation here, I see no reason why this doesn't get done.
- Resign Carlos Rogers. Rogers showed this year that he's one of the best corners in the league. In a passing league, we must have a defense that can hold up against the pass. There's a huge difference between a backfield of Rogers and Tarell Brown/Chris Culliver in the 2 and 3 slots and one in which Brown and Culliver have to cover a team's 1 and 2 receivers. Getting back Rogers is huge for our defense, which has the potential to be dominant.
- Wait out Dashon Goldson. Goldson, while a very solid, opportunistic safety, is somewhat overrated and often botches plays. I'd take a similar strategy to last year - I'd establish a value for him and if he wants a contract that well exceeds the value, let him test the market. While I'd love Goldson to come back, Rogers must be priority number one among our free agents. If Goldson walks, it would be bad but not crushing.
- Sign a wide receiver. There are plenty of good free agent wide receivers this year, including Dwayne Bowe, DeSean Jackson, Steve Johnson, Mario Manningham, and Robert Meachem. As well, though they are very likely to remain with their teams, Wes Welker and Marques Colston are available. Any of those guys would be a huge addition to a group that had just one catch for 3 yards in the NFC Championship game. With the addition of Josh Morgan returning from injury (assuming we re-sign him), our receiving corps could be a lot better next year - how would Bowe, Michael Crabtree, Morgan, Williams, and Ted Ginn Jr look? - but Lord knows, it better be. Hell, I'd even be OK with a Braylon Edwards style flier on someone like Reggie Wayne. This is the number one need of the team, and they must do something to address it this offseason. More on this in the Draft section.
- Resign the following (assuming they aren't asking for insane money): Ted Ginn Jr (who proved his value by being injured), Ahmad Brooks (very solid OLB - he, Justin Smith, and Aldon Smith should provide great pass rush), Adam Snyder (when he came in, our line instantly got better), Josh Morgan (solid WR who'd be a fantastic #3), and CJ Spillman/Blake Costanzo (two of the MVPs of our all-world ST unit).
- Let the following walk (assuming they don't accept the minimum): Chilo Rachal (should be obvious, but if not, watch some Ravens game tape), Moran Norris (with Bruce Miller in the fold, he's expendable), Reggie Smith (does a mean dougie but not great on the field - take him off this list if we don't re-sign Goldson). I don't really care about anyone not mentioned above.
The Draft
- Our top five needs, dependent of course on FA: WR, OG, CB, S, OLB. If we can get one of those marquee wideouts I mentioned earlier, WR falls a lot on our need list. If we can't resign Carlos Rogers, CB rockets to the top. Same with S and Dashon Goldson. What positions we need will depend a lot on what happens in free agency.
- If we don't have any significant needs, draft the best player available. This should seem obvious, but many teams fool themselves into not doing this and drafting a perceived need. Note that this only applies if we sign a free agent WR and bring back Carlos Rogers - if not, WR and CB are positions of serious need. However, if we do both of those things and don't have a glaring need, then we should do the smart thing and take the best player available, even if he plays a stacked position like ILB.
- Seriously consider trading up (if we're sure we like the player we're trading up for). I'll get to a more in-depth reason for why we should do this in a bit.
Coaching
- Personnel-wise, do nothing. Our coaching staff and font office is fantastic. Trent Baalke deservedly won executive of the year, Jim Harbaugh deservedly won the coach of the year, Vic Fangio and Greg Roman (despite some criticism from this blog) are doing their jobs admirably, and many other coaches (Jim Tomsula, Geep Chryst, and Brad Seely come immediately to mind) have been great. In fact, I think we're lucky no one got hired away to a more prestigious job. Yet.
- Gameplan-wise, More Alex Smith to Vernon Davis. For reasons unknown, Davis regressed a bit during the regular season (though he was absolutely fantastic in the playoffs, as I'm sure you all remember. While he had more catches this year, he had fewer touchdowns and yards per catch, and just about every stat is worse than it was two years ago. People have given their reasons as to why this happened despite Alex Smith playing better - he was involved in blocking schemes more often, the 49ers were ahead more and therefore running more, etc. The truth is, no one knows. This year, I'd like to see that connection from day one, because we already know it's there, and I'd like to see more Alex Smith in general. He's proven that he can take over and win games - we saw that in the NFC Divisional Round game vs the Saints. It's time to open up the offense, give Smith the keys, and let him take us to the promised land.
- Take full advantage of the offseason. We still haven't seen what Jim Harbaugh can do with a full offseason to install his gameplan. Well, we're about to find out. The Niners should take care not to waste the mini-camps and training camps and use them to prepare the team to execute from day one. This seems obvious, but remember that Harbaugh has never had a full NFL offseason - hopefully he knows what to do with one.
Other/Miscellaneous:
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Keep the same mentality we had last year. I'm a big believer in the "Nobody Believes in Us" mentality. So is Jim Harbaugh. This team should be hungry and mad next year, after they way this season ended. Keep that fire stoked, and let's take that mentality to the next level. We need to adopt the mentality of the 2007 Patriots (or at least, what it was during the regular season) and be ready to stomp the heads of anyone who doubts us or stands in our way right into the curb. I want this team to be pissed next year. As well, we must be cautious to not let the curse of expectations drag us down. Last year, we were picked to finish third or fourth in our own conference, so no one saw us coming and we were able to play the "Nobody Believes in Us" card to its full extent. We will not have that luxury this year, as most will no doubt pencil us in as the winners of the NFC West. We can't get complacent and take it for granted. Freddie P. Soft lives in complacency.
- Consistency, Consistency, Consistency. This is the first time in years we don't have a major change to some part of our game. That's huge, and it is the reason I use whenever I'm arguing for Alex Smith - he's never had that in his career. We need to take advantage of that, and have our players executing from day one - I repeat that from an earlier point because it's just that important. Football so often comes down to luck, and teams that execute better often create their own luck. Just look at the NFC Championship game.
So that's basically it. If we follow this guide this offseason, at least in my opinion (feel free to retort below), we should be well-equipped to make another deep run into the playoffs next year. In fact, I think that we could be one of the favorites to do so. Just look at many of the other top teams in the league.
The Giants are a very solid team, but I don't think they're that great. They have a rising defensive star in Jason Pierre-Paul, and Eli Manning is great, but they are due for regression - there's no way Victor Cruz repeats his fantastic season, the offensive line is aging, and the defensive line was inconsistent all year, ranging from incredible to mediocre. I think we're ALREADY a better team then them.
The Patriots are a great team, but they are aging fast and have major issues on defense. The offense should be back and better than ever next year, but they did NOT look good in the Super Bowl. The Packers have the same issues, as do the Saints. In addition, all three teams rely on their primary quarterbacks too much (assuming the Packers lose Flynn to free agency, nearly a given) - an injury to one of them will seriously hurt that team's playoff chances. The Ravens and Steelers could crumble to dust any year now. The Lions, Falcons and Bengals, while young, have major issues, and I think we're already better than all three of them. The Eagles are tremendously talented, but we still have yet to see if they can turn that talent into wins.
Really, the only team I see with the youth, talent on both sides, and drive that we could have is the Houston Texans (who, by the way, scare the [SITE DECORUM] out of me - they're really, really good, especially if they bring back Mario Williams. If that happens, they're the best team in the AFC next year. By quite a bit. Possibly the best team in the league. But enough on that). The opportunity is there. We have talented playmakers in their prime all around. Patrick Willis and NaVorro Bowman. Justin (still in his prime for a bit) and Aldon (just entering) Smith. A young offensive line growing together around Joe Staley, Mike Iupati, and Anthony Davis. Vernon Davis and Delainie Walker (for my money, the best tight end duo short of Aarob Gronkandez. Even the much-maligned Alex Smith.
What I'm trying to say is that we have the opportunity to be one of the best teams in the league for years to come. The iron is hot - it's time to strike. That's why I think we should consider trading up in the draft if we see someone we like - we have a great team and we're just a few great players away from having an incredible team. Sure, some people will point to the Atlanta Falcons - they went 13-3, traded up from 24 to 6 (giving up most of their draft) to get the playmaking wide receiver they thought would put the team over the top, and proceeded to lose 24-2 in the first round of the playoffs. And while that is a case that failed, their logic was sound - they thought the iron was hot for them (and who knows, it still might be - don't sleep on them next year) and they struck. While I wouldn't go as far as they did, it's an option that must be considered.
Nonetheless, the fact remains that this is a very exciting time to be a 49ers fan - as they say, the window is opening. I know that no matter what happens this offseason, I'll be watching with bated breath and screaming at Baalke and Harbaugh every time they do something I don't like patiently observing each move and the logic behind it. After all, the only thing better than watching our team is rosterbating about our team. Should be a fun ride - let's strap ourselves in.
*Also, there is no pie. Sorry for leading you in like that. Won't do it again. Promise.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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Absolutely fantastic
I agree 200% with every last word you wrote. Except the pie. Little disappointed about the pie.
WWJHD?
Thanks!
To partially make up for it, here is a picture of pie.

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 7, 2012 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
o_O
there we go. backwards to make it special.
WWJHD?
If you stare at this long enough, you see pie...
Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....
Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB
Moving right along...
So who are you hoping for as far as a FA WR? I was kinda hoping for Manningham but after that SB catch I don’t think he’s going anywhere. I’d be pretty happy with Steve Johnson. DeSean Jackson is too in love with himself IMO. He wants legendary money and he hasn’t REALLY done anything special.
WWJHD?
I think if anything...
Manningham is more likely to move after that catch. He’s going to want – and let’s face it, he’s earned – a starting spot somewhere, and starting money. I think he’d be a perfect complement to our other receivers. Dwayne Bowe, as well, would be an awesome acquisition, though he’d probably cost the most out of any of them. D-jax isn’t going to get his #1 money, and once he agrees to go somewhere for market value, I think we could snatch him up. I think we could make him into a good team player – the team all believes in Harbaugh, which goes a long way towards unity.
I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 8, 2012 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
Vjax will be the most expense
Bowe probably second most. I like Stevie Johnson as the price point guy who can establish himself even with a questionable QB. A local guy and has better hands than people believe. Had some national tv drops but only 4 all year which means he was 4x less likely to drop a ball per target than Bowe.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 8, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
VJax already got paid once. I think he will take high money, (but not sky-high), to go play for another winner
Bowe is looking at his first big paycheck. And the guy always struck me as the guy that wants a big check just to say he’s getting paid what he deserves. I think Bowe would happily go play for another loser for top 5 at his position money.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 8, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
When did he get paid once?
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Oh you're right NM
I forgot he was franchised. Was thinking he got extended for big bucks a couple years ago. This is also his first big paycheck.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 8, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Reports are Eagles are going to franchise Jackson and then they may trade him. They are not going to simply let him walk. There’s no way I would trade for him.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Feb 8, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
The question is how much are they asking for?
If they know he wants to leave, we might be able to pay a cheap price for him, like a late draft pick. That’s what happened with Brandon Lloyd. Still, I agree that he shouldn’t be our primary target – Bowe or V-jax should be.
I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 8, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
really? franchise hime?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
ignore everything except 3:46 seconds.
Remember, Smith was incredible in the New Orleans game.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
dude I think everyone gets it
you don’t like Alex Smith. Quit trying to turn every thread into a Smith debate.
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
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dude I think everyone gets it
Remember, Smith was incredible in the New Orleans game.
These two statements seem to contradict each other.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
It is a point that shouldn't be forgotten
He had some many opportunities to be clutch in the Giants game too. Lot of things went wrong though.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 8, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
Indeed. Alex didn't play too well against the Giants, but the offense as a whole
was dysfunctional against them. Just like the other offenses they played against in the playoffs.
no, niners and falcons sucked hard on offense; green bay and pats played pretty good on offense against them.
more hyperbole.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Not entirely sure what you mean there.
Not sure if you’re calling me out for hyperbole or saying that is what your’e doing.
So apparently, even if our offense had played to the level of the Pats or Pack
we still would’ve lost. Ignore the fact that without the 2 turnovers by KW we would have most likely won, considering to the point of the first TO the offense had done enough to get the lead and the Giants O was also doing nothing against our D outside of 1 touchdown. That is, until they got the ball gift wrapped to them on our 20.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
that should have been a reply to HH
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
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so why even have a qb? 1-13 on third down. the defense and the special teams won so many games for the niners this year. just ignore how pathetic the offense was.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
you know this is getting old
the Saints only got 4 firsts against us and are known as an offensive juggernaut. Lots of drops, slips, and getting stuffed prevented first downs too.
and the niners most likely had the best defense in the league this year.
what do you mean four firsts?
saints had 26 first downs and niners had 17 first downs against each other in the playoffs.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20120114025
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
I think he meant third-down conversions
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
they went 5-14 though?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
wait, what?
Are you saying that the packers and the pats offense were good against the giants, better than the niners? the niners The 49ers managed 17 points against the giants. So did the patriots. Green Bay got 20.
Look, maybe you think the 49ers offense scored as many points as the patriots/packers because the defense was giving them more chances. But even if you look yards per play, the niners were in the same league as two of the most dynamic offenses in the game. The niners averaged 5.8 yards per play against the giants. The patriots averaged 5.6, and the packers averaged 5.3.
I don’t see how you think the patriots and packers were “pretty good” against the giants. By most conventional stats, they played poor games, arguably worse than the 49ers in the championship game.
they had long scoring drives against the giants, niners did not, 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing. those are all lows against the giants defense.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
you still can't say the patriots or packers played well against the giants
The patriots didn’t score for the last 25 minutes of the superbowl. the packers had one touchdown drive saved by a crazy fumble call. And again, all three teams ended with 20 points or less.
If you’re saying the niners “sucked hard” against the giants, you have to agree that the patriots and packers did too.
in only one category did they almost equal each other which is the average yards per play that you posted. In almost all other categories niners and flacons did not perform as well.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Yards per attempt, Yards per carry, Yards per play, and TD/INT ratio are all toss-ups
and most importantly, all three teams ended with about the same number of points.
those were the stats you were citing to counter my argument?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
One arugment king ...!!
… 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing. 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing.
… 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing. 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing.
… 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing. 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing.
… 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing. 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing.
… 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing. 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing.
… 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing. 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing
… 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing. 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing.
… 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing. 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing.
… 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing. 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing.
… 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing. 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing.
… 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing. 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing.
… 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing. 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing
… 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing. 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing.
… 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing. 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing.
… 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing. 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing.
… 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing. 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing.
… 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing. 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing.
… 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing. 1-13 on third down, 178 yards passing
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
here is your argument. oh "boy"...!!!!
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2012 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Rite , I feel so gotten ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
GB dropping ten passes and being led in rushing by your QB
Is playing well?
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Feb 8, 2012 11:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
without
alex smith the 49ers lose the game, is that what u want?
without alex smith the niner win the super bowl.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
no
grow up a little. Without Alex the 49ers aren’t in the damn playoffs.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
lol
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
funny cause it's true
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
no
funny because it is not. The defense and special teams are why the niners were in the playoffs. to say otherwise is hyperbole.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
Oh so Alex's contributions go unheralded yet again
You’re not dropping this ridiculous shtick anytime soon so I’m probably going to stop responding. I honestly didn’t realize that the D and ST scored 23 points per game on offense. I didn’t realize that the D and ST dominated ball control and TOP in games this season.
I did realize, what you’re failing to realize, is that everything component worked together as a team. The O did what it needed to efficiently, the D strangled other offenses and the ST helped us control field position. So strange to see the fundamentals of a good and enduring football strategy to success being beaten down by people like you who want that next 5 million yard QB with 40000 TDs. Our team is predicated on controlling games so, while it may not be pretty, its something that your going to have to live with.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Feb 8, 2012 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
When you only have to go 2 yards to score it helps alot as the niners did against the saints. When the defense can go out and get turnovers it helps alot. When special teams goes out and puts you in really really good field position it helps alot. To say that the defense and special teams did not put the offense in good position most of the time is ludicrous!
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
Just as ludicrous as it is to say that Alex Smith has done nothing to help this offense score points
Why are you emphasizing the fact that the ST and D does things to help our offense? Would you rather have your team trot through 90-yard drives every game? Are you suggesting that this is even a plausibility for the next years?
If you want to watch a team where the D/ST do nothing to help their offense out yet their offense scores feel free to watch the Saints.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Alex leading TWO 80+ yard drives at the end of the NO games
Means having to go “only two yards”.
Your hate for Alex blinds you. He’s not great, but he’s nowhere near as bad as you’ve convinced yourself he is.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Feb 8, 2012 11:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You mean like the Giants did on both scoring drives that ultimately beat us?
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
I don't necessarily agree with that statement
Our defense and special teams were more instrumental in our success than Alex was
Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94
Rule #2) Follow rule #1
More instrumental, yes
the only components, NO.
It’s sad to see one of the best seasons that a young QB like Alex has had ever (under a real coach…surprising) go dismissed because people don’t want to give him any credit for us doing anything. When it’s going well its the D and ST. When we’re failing it’s Alex.
Our style of play is that on offense is simple: we hold the ball more than the other team. Therefore, while his stats might not be as jaw-dropping as other QBs, he has done exactly what is asked of any QB under Harbaugh. (that any drive that ends in a kick is a successful drive whether that be a punt, FG, XP, or KO). He also runs an offense that is extremely efficient that only has choked (sometimes, and that’s to be expected in a completely new offense) in the RZ.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Feb 8, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
seven years in the league is anything but "young"
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
He's 27
Breakdown of his career:
1.) 21 year old raw QB had no business starting on a team that was worse than the 2002 Texans expansion team. Also, McCarthy’s offense is one that takes more than 1 year to master and a rookie rushed into starting in this offense never would end well. The best that can be said is he left the season not on IR.
2.) Second year, DRASTIC improvement in a much-easier to pick up on the fly offense in Norv Turner’s vertical attack. Smith had to scrap everything he learned about the WCO from McCarthy and, being a younger QB, it helped him out a lot to learn about an easier offense and an easier system.
3.) Idiot Hostler incorporates both the McCarthy WCO and the Turner vertical offense into a system that he can not call plays from nor do his players have the slightest clue about. Smith’s not as lucky as he is is rookie season and gets injured by Week 4. He should’ve been done for the season and gotten surgery to rehab for the next year but Mike Nowin questions him and forces a hobbled, wincing 23-year old QB to struggle through hits and tough losses behind a shoddy OL and shoddy receivers, not to mention an injured Gore.
4.) Defeated by JTO who was biasedly pick by Martz to be that starter over the much more deserving Hill and Smith. Smith gets hurt due to a mess-up in his prior surgery. Out.
5.) Backup behind Hill whose noodle arm wasn’t getting much done through the air until Singletary benched him in Houston for Smith, who impressed in the shotgun in a Raye offense similar to Norv’s. He does well throughout the rest of the season and is made the starter the next year.
6.) Plays well at times, struggles through others in a WOEFULLY imprepared team by Singletary. Singletary has no clue how to put together a supporting cast around a QB, who, to him, is just another player. Team finally beats Oakland after a 0-6 start, after which Alex gets injured and is in a square dance with Singletary and Troy Smith. He played fairly well in limited opportunities and made the best of a horrible situation.
7.) You know what happens.
Montana: 25
Young: 31
Eli: 28 (during SB run, first time he was ever respectable as a QB)
So yeah, he might not necessarily be young by a QBs standards and what he’s been through but he is very young compared to other successful QBs and verrry young in terms of his development in an offense.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
woah
I’m sorry for not making it clear. Those ages represent the first time those QBs played in the postseason
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
No idea? Singletary didn’t want Crabtree. And according to this post, Alex has done nothing wrong……..You’re one of THEM!!!
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I'm not an apologist...
I left out the stuff he’s obviously done round a la sucked for a lot of his career.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
ok, seven year rookie!!!!!!
lets hope he does not have a 2nd year hiccup
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2012 1:11 AM PST up reply actions
I'd be more inclined to say a 5th year starter next season.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
change the facts to fit your argument
whatever it takes lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
may as well
you guys do it all the time, whether it be changing the facts or totally disregarding the ones that no longer support your position. Case in point, the “who made the Pro Bowl” thing somebody threw out earlier. How irrelevant.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
what facts did I change?
making the pro bowl is not irrelevant.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
so Urlacher is better than Bowman?
got it.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
........
ying is better than yang.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
Mike McCarty, Norve Turner, Mike Martz all have rings!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2012 1:14 AM PST up reply actions
fun fact
Smith going into year 8 is 4 years older than 2nd year man Andy Dalton
by mcwagner on Feb 8, 2012 11:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
even more fun fact
who made the pro bowl?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2012 1:12 AM PST up reply actions
Who deserved to make it?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 2:48 AM PST up reply actions
last in passing yards and td’s for a 16 game starter? should a qb who did that make the pro bowl?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
the whole pro bowl argument is irrelevant
of course pro bowl is a stat driven accomplishment, but then what of bowman, as I said below? The pro bowl is a popularity contest first and foremost, and a colossal waste of time, in any case.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
it often takes two year of solid play to make the pro bowl; cam and dalton came in and had an awesome season for rookies at the hardest position in professional sports.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2012 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
that's the biggest pile of junk excuse I've heard today
Urlacher got in over Bowman because it’s a popularity contest. Of course stats matter too, but they’re less important. Urlacher had no business being in over Bowman. That’s why the pro bowl is a joke (among other reasons).
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
Fun fact
The Pro Bowl won’t exist next year because its a sham.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
dalton and cam newton had a good year, nobody watches it
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
And Newton and Dalton were both horrible at the pro bowl
Newton once he couldn’t run away from everybody and just throw a 60 yard bomb to Steve Smith and hope to be bailed out threw 4 picks and Dalton threw 3 balls that should have been picked.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
Urlacher made the pro bowl over Bowman too
Just sayin’
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
never said they were the only components
I do like that Alex progressed this season but it’ll be for naught if he doesn’t progress next season as well. Alex as is right now is not good enough to win a superbowl even though he did improve from his last six seasons.
Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94
Rule #2) Follow rule #1
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Our style of play is that on offense is simple: we hold the ball more than the other team.
If this is true, then the Niners were average at their stated goal cause they only averaged plus 4 on TOP. And their defense/ST contributed to that TOP edge as well. TOP is a fluky stat that isn’t a solid indicator, in and of itself, to how well either side of the ball is playing.
Alex Smith
Both 49ers and Ravens showed how you can win games, even in the playoffs. Both outplayed the teams they eventually lost to, but did so with Joe Flacco and Alex Smith.
I truly believe Smith (maybe Flacco) can be a Top 10 QB, but if fans are expecting a great, or elite QB, then they’re going to get their hopes up. One is just not easy to find.
I also think if the 49ers continue this type of defensive-centered style, they’ll win a SB within the next couple of years. As Jaws said (Jaworski), defenses will slowly catch up to the way these offenses are playing. There won’t continue to be 5,000+ yard passers with 32.0+ PPG offenses every season.
Could be wrong on that last part, but I trust in Harbaugh.
Alex Smith did not outplay Eli Manning or the Giants...
He didn’t screw up but he also didn’t go for the throat with opportunities.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 8, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Those 2 throws to VD for the long touchdowns were money.
He did miss a wide open Kyle Williams for a likely TD, but seems like Alex Smith detractors never give him credit for making those first 2 throws.
Its hard to, 2 to 3 great throws a game as a max is an issue.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Eli made 2 or 3 great throws in the Pats game
Cruz behind the LB. Manningham over the top (spectacular throw)… and I’m sure there is another in there that wasn’t spectacular enough to think of off the top of my head
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 8, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
The TD pass to Cruz, and I misses the 3rd quarter in its entirety, however he made plenty vs our better defense.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Our defense was better but not that much better.
They shutout the Falcons and shut down the Packers. Could we do that?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 8, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Better than the Pats defense. We were discussing the pats game.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Their defense was hot.
The defensive line was playing out of their minds, but they had been inconsistent all season. If they played defense like that consistently, they wouldn’t lose seven games in the regular season. Our defense, on the other hand, was consistently great after week 3 (the only exception being the Saints game during the last two minutes).
I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 8, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Why do you call the Cruz TD throw a great pass?
If the LB turns around, he knocks the ball down easily, if he doesn’t just pick it off. Luck > good sometimes.
If Alex completed every throw he would be elite.
See how that works.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
hell yeah he would.
Unfortunately even then you guys would hate him.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
2 or 3 deep balls a game is usually max for that game
Especially considering the farther you throw, the lower the completion percentage anyway. Hitting 2 out of 3 deep balls is pretty good.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
Great throws not deep balls.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Even then
I characterize a great throw as a throw into tight windows, deep completions, etc. You’re not going to get a ton of “great” throws in one game, unless you’re an elite QB on a hot streak, like Brady was at the start of the season. Alex had 2 great throws against a Giants D that was balling out that put us in a position to win. Did he miss a few standard throws, well yeah. I’m not saying he had a great game, but he helped put us in a position to win. The lack of 3rd down conversions I think is more an indictment of the entire offense, from the play callers on down, than it is on Alex. Although I know I’m not going to change your mind. That’s just my opinion on it.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
Thats exactly what Im saying.
We need more than two or three per game.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I'm saying no QB throws more than 2 or 3 GREAT throws per game
If they do, it’s the exception, not the norm. the rest are standard good throws. Unfortunately the Giants took those away and Alex had to make some great throws to get us in the end zone. Saying he should have made more great throws against that defense to me isn’t realistic. And no I’m not saying Alex had a great game or couldn’t have made some throws better or didn’t hold back when maybe he should’ve gone deep more. The offensive problems were on the whole team from calling plays on down to executing plays. It’s not all on Alex in this one. I think he did exactly what Harbaugh wanted him to do, and we were in a position to win the game because of it. That’s all I’m saying.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
49ers
Next year the NFC West will be much better as Seahawks and Cardinals were really coming on in the last half of season. And Niners have to play Packers, Giants and Saints. They should still win NFC West but may have to win a game or two on the road in playoffs. Gerry
Good post dude
I’m curious to see who stays, as you rarely (never?) keep all the guys you hope to these days
I loved reading the part about coaching
“Personnel-wise, do nothing. Our coaching staff and font office is fantastic” because its so true and we haven’t been able to say that for a very long time.
Please don't use that awful QBR stat that ESPN made up.
I agree Alex wasn’t great, but using that stat which they won’t release the formula for and calls for so much subjectivity doesn’t help anyone’s argument.
I agree with pretty much everything you said by the way. Good job, quality fanpost.
I agree that it isn't great
But I think it’s better than the archaic passer rating. Football still doesn’t have its fWAR or FIP like baseball does. DvOA is good, but only measures the value of teams, so we’re forced to use substandard stats like QBR.
I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 8, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Passer rating is fine as long as you take into context what it means and uses,
and not use it as an end-all-be-all ranking for QBs.
That being said
The fact that AS had a fantastic passer rating this year is obviously a sign that he’s progressing under competent coaching. Of course, now all his detractors that used his poor PR up to this point will just discount it as a worthless stat because it’s no longer supporting their argument.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
Passer rating is mostly a ration between TDs and INT
that’s why AS looks so good with passer rating, but if you look at total yards he was plain awful.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 8, 2012 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
also takes accuracy into account, which he was good at
the yardage is more due to much fewer attempts and lots of check-downs, which i’m fine with as it got us to 13-3 and a fumble away from the SB. Drew and Aaron had awesome statistical seasons, and they didn’t win either.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
It doesnt take accuracy into account, ot takes completion percentage.
Huge difference.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
completion % is a measure of accuracy.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
not necessarily
I think Alex is accurate when he settles down and uses his proper mechanics. Rlott disagrees in that it is a mechanical flaw in his throwing motion. One thing we agree on: completion % does not indicate accuracy. I can throw for 90% dumping it off to my RB, and he is catching it off his shoe or making a circus catch
it is not mechanical
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
I sure he has and I think the man crush is to boost alex smith’s confidence
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He used to have some mechanical difficulties in terms of his throwing motion before this season
He still does have some problems but they are much less pronounced.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Its his plant leg I believe, it isnt bent, which causes qbs to throw high, and we know when Alex misses, its typically high.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Are you Ron Jaworski?
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
No but I watched him analyze Smith.
I’m no expert on the position, but if he can point out what makes a QB throw high and said QB is known for throwing high, I sure as hell will believe him over a kool aid enduced homeristic Blogger.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
not calling you that by the way.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I think that his complaints were legitmate during 07 when Smith's leg motion was obvilously impacting his trajectory
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
And I would put that at a 2 on the list of what i dislike about his play.
First is his ease of being rattled.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
He came into the Ravens game rattled, as in ready to panic.
Missed a TD first play.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
missing on a pass doesn't mean he was rattled
But any qb would get somewhat rattled with how much pressure thy were getting. He did hit on a deep td pass that was unfortunatly called back. All things considered, I think he was fairly composed for someone who was getting hit every other play.
It was the first play of the game.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
so any qb who doesn't complete his first pass is rattled
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 9, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Not at all.
A quarterback that throws it quickly anticipating the rush, instead of scanning the field could be. In that case I say yes, and yes he does rattle easy. It’s just my opinion. Especially since he didn’t look at any option but a two yard pass to the flat.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Last year, I would agree that he would rattle easily. So maybe he can regress from time to time
that just looked like a bad play. After getting the league leading sacks and still controlled his mistakes and turnovers. I say that he is hard to rattle compared to other QBs. Ravens game is almost an outlier. Short week, cross-country game, Thanksgiving, and poor play by everybody (including Smith).
How did it look like a bad play?
I wish I had taken notes. There are more situations where he leaves the .pocket and all he has to do is step up and deliver. Also on the Williams over throw, I think he knew where he wanted to place the ball but rushed the throw and be had time. He just isn’t used to it, that’s why I say he is damaged goods. He can snap out of it, I hope he does.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
he misses low too
He seems to have the same problem that donovan mcnab has in that a lot of his passes are accurate from a right to left standpoint, but he throws high or low.
Yards
last time I checked the team with more yards doesn’t always win at the end of the game. YPA is measured by passer rating. Alex had 7.1 YPA, which is the middle of the pack for the season. The worst was Gabbert at 5.4 and the best was Rodgers at 9.2. Total yards can be skewed by attempts, Smith was 20th in attempts and 19th in total yards. Alex’s TD % was 3.8%(good for 22nd) and his Int % was 1.1%(1st). His stats are extremely average and very much in the middle of the pack except for interceptions.
The 49ers played a very safe passing game that helped lead them to a very good turnover differential. Had they needed to throw the ball around more it may have been bad, but I don’t think anyone knows for sure. If someone great became available, then sure go get him, if not I am happy with Alex getting one more year, he will either show that he is worth keeping. If he doesn’t improve next season then find a replacement. I have always placed more value on percentage stats and per attempt stats than total stats. Going by those Alex did a decent job.
being last or near last is not average; and usually the more alex passed the worse his numbers were except for a few more yards
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
as much as I want to disagree with this
there is truth to it. His worst games (outside of BAL in which we all blew) were when he had to throw more than 30 times. I would think this is like most QBs that are struggling to make a comeback, but it doesn’t seem so in Smith’s case
he needs to take a book out of tim tebow and just throw it deep! lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
Last or near last
Which stats were last or near last? Most of them were in the 16-20 range, out of a pool of around 32. Yards 19th, TD 17th, completion % 11th, YPA 11th, Passer rating 9th, Int % 1st. He was according to stats very average, other than ints.
look at the stats for other 16 game starters...
only stat alex is first in is int’s
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
and wins
along with the rest of the team
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
He's first in fewest attempts by a 16 game starter
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
Very, very good post ... well thought-out and written! I do have a couple of comments ...
I agree with almost everything that you’ve written except for priority of Pick #30 in the draft … I don’t see that pick as a variable (except if the guy I want is gone (but I don’t think that he will be). Let’s deal with it by position:
Cornerback: Like you, my preference would be to re-sign Carlos Rogers, and I believe that that will happen. However, if it doesn’t, I don’t believe that Baalke will go with Brown and Culliver as starters. Rather, in the event that Rogers isn’t re-signed, he will go with another FA corner to replace Rogers. But, in addition (either way), I think that he will draft a CB at Pick #62 … I’m hoping for Trumaine Johnson (Montana) … big, fast, with great ball skills … a diamond in the rough.
Receiver: (Notice that I didn’t say Wide Receiver) My preference would be to start by signing FA Dwayne Bowe (Kansas City) as our #1 wideout … moving Crabtree to #2, where he really belongs. However, in addition to Bowe, I think that the draft pick at #30 should be … Coby Fleener! Why? In this particular draft, he is easily the best BIG receiver in this draft … great hands, great route-runner, huge target area … particularly down-field and in the Red Zone, fearless in going over the middle, and, fast given his huge size. His only significant weakness is his blocking skills, and that can be improved, particularly given his great attitude. To be blunt … the combination of Vernon AND Fleener (positioned in the slot or wide) going deep has got to scare the shit out of opponents" defenses … they can’t cover them with LBs, safeties can’t cover Fleener based upon size, or Davis based upon speed. This combo obviously opens up the field for whichever two wideouts happen to be on the field … Bowe, Crabtree, Williams, Ginn. The name of the game on offense is to create matchup problems … I think that this does it in spades.
Thus, preferred action items: (1) re-sign Rogers if possible; else, sign FA CB; (2) draft Coby Fleener at #30; (3) draft Trumaine Johnson at #62.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 8, 2012 11:49 AM PST reply actions
I don't think it would be so bad
Alex needs mismatched coverage to trust his more dangerous receiver (e.g. VD). If Fleener forces more of those chances I don’t see the downside.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 8, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Another playmaker in the middle of the field where everybody collapses to stop VD and the run game anyways doesn't really address need
We need somebody that actually makes the safety stay at home to defend a WR. Right now that’s an afterthought.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 8, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Indeed.
Also someone to push Crabtree and everyone else down the depth chart.
Crabtree being a #2 guy (maybe even slot receiver) would benefit him the most out of anything. Take the other team’s top corner off of him and try and give him more space to use his best ability, running after the catch.
You kidding me, I’ll be dancing in the street if ? the Niners get Fleener . I don’t care what round it is. Walter football has him going in the first. Get Fleener move Walker to Receiver, his position in college, killing to birds with 1 stone.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Feb 8, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think Walker would be a good WR.
Not in the least. He’s fine at TE.
I also like how you never bothered countering anyone’s points about how drafting Fleener wouldn’t solve anything.
So, you don't think that having Bowe, Morgan & Williams on the outside and Davis, Fleener & Walker in the middle will get it done??
Plus, Fleener is a better deep receiver and Red Zone fade receiver than anybody else that we’ve got, including Davis.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 9, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
What happens to the OL, cbs, and olbs, especially if Brooks leave?
Our depth at the position, is why I say no on Fleener. Also, our coaches have to see these congested formations are why eight and nine men fronts are crushing our offense.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I actually agree here , not a big fan of bunch formation , unless it's a Three Wr set on the outside ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
It works sometimes... But we use it so much teams can actually build a package for our bunch formations
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 10, 2012 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
That and teams can see Alex will hesitate to make tight throws in traffic, they get to ise yheir base defense or keep in extra lbs.
In other words they have no respect for our passing game and are always ready to stop the run.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
he's thrown it into tripple coverage to VD before and connected
I think he just needs to trust that the receiver will make the play and VD is the only guy who has earned that trust so far.
VD dropped more TDs, I believe its confidence with self.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
That one in the Rams game at the stick was brutal
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
I think it is because VD is faster than LBs and bigger than CB/S
He also fights for the ball. e.g., inaccurate passes get caught
by asmithisaverage on Feb 8, 2012 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
I'd love Fleener...
But mostly because I’m a Stanford die-hard. We have two great TEs, and we don’t need to add a third. TEs are the flavor of the month after Gronk’s breakout, but I’d rather have an elite WR than an elite TE, and we’re already pretty set at that position.
I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 8, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Indeed. TE is at the bottom of the list as far as needs go.
And if we want a TE to challenge Walker, we can pick up John Carlson for cheap in free agency.
Don't think it's the bottom of the list...
That would probably be ILB, especially if we bring back Grant. I don’t think we need to get someone like Carlson – Peele is a perfectly good third TE. Anyone we get who’s cheap enough to not affect our other plans wouldn’t push Walker more than Peele would anyway.
I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 8, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
I think Grant is going to be looking to start somewhere next year.
And honestly, I’d like to upgrade from Peele. He wasn’t passable when Walker was out. Hopefully Byham doesn’t get hurt his year and beats him out.
grant is a restricted free agent.
Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94
Rule #2) Follow rule #1
This.
I’m not saying we should try really hard to re-sign him, but he’ll probably be pretty easy to keep around.
I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 8, 2012 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
as long as we tender him
we should get something in return if we do lose him
Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94
Rule #2) Follow rule #1
would ABSOLUTELY love for us to sign a top tier free agent WR....
BUT i’ll believe it when i see it….in my opinion our Front Office will probably NOT be spending BIG dough on other team’s FA’s….i have a hunch bowe will probably still be in a chiefs uniform somehow someway next year and Vjax will probably still be in a chargers uniform…colston will likely leave NO but will demand a HUGE contract…
Goldson
You recommended that they wait it out with Goldson..so my question is who do they franchise?
By the way, good post, cant rec on iphone though..
by sundaysfinest on Feb 8, 2012 1:43 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
We don't need to franchise anyone.
If I used the tag at all, it would be on Rogers if he refused a long term deal. If we can fit in a long term Rogers deal, signing a WR and bringing back all our other key FAs like Smith and Brooks, and still have the money to franchise Goldson, great. If not, as cold as it is to say, Goldson’s replaceable.
I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 8, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Not really.
Goldson’s replaceable.
If we lose Dashon, the secondary is going to be in a lot of trouble. We have no one to replace him, and there’s no free agent FS out there that can really replace him.
What safeties are available?
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Free agent safeties
Thats way too many to even consider paying up for Goldson.
Gotta see who franchises who, is love to have Griffin or Branch.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Goldson's good
but he’s not great. I’m not saying that it wouldn’t be a loss, but I think re-signing Rogers is MUCH more important.
I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 8, 2012 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
Goldson is pivotal IMO
He single-handedly changed the course of the Saints game by reading Brees perfectly on that INT. Think that made Drew second-guess many decisions.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Dashon needs to be resigned. We have no better option.
And as good as Rogers is praised for the Saints game, Cruz abused him something awful in the NFCC.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Feb 8, 2012 11:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
correction
cruz abused him in the first half. Giants were shut down from there on out
Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94
Rule #2) Follow rule #1
cruz abused everybody this year
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
yeah just saying can't really fault Rogers
Cruz and Manning were on another level this season
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
Great Post!
I really hope they attack FA and get a #1 receiver… this has been a huge need since TO left. I never considered Crabtree to be a #1 WR but rather a complementary one, John Taylor was more a #1 WR than crabtree will ever be. With that being said I think VJackson would fill that role… I doubt he want to stay in SD and SF would be the best scenerio if he wants to stay in CA and possibly win a ring. I also hope they keep, ASmith, Goldson and Rodgers. I figure Smith and Rodgers would probably demand a 2-3 year deal and Goldson a moderate 4-5 year deal. VJack has had inconsistent years and should make his contract feasible. If Goldson walks I think Barron from ALA would be a great pick up @ 30 and focus on G and CB help in 2nd and 3rd rounds. This class is stacked with WR and we’ll be able to find a good one in the 4th or 5th round.
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect ? to be super so soon.
yep, Crabs NEEDS to be pushed down the depth chart for his own good
He would excel as a slot a la Wes Welker. Get him the ball in space and let him run.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
this!
It seemed like Crabtree was catching slants in every game… he would be ideal at slot but since we’ll probably be running with 2 TE and 2 WR or 1TE, 2 WR and a FB, he would be a good option as a #2.
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect ? to be super so soon.
The main reason we didn't run many 3 or 4 WR sets is because
we didn’t have the personnel to run those packages. We had to hold guys back to block a lot of times due to our o-line, and we didn’t have the WR talent or depth to have 4 out on the field.
Thats poor scheming on the offensive side of the ball.
Our RB never chipped, we’d use VD to block and never used the chip and release with Gore. OC has appeared to be out of his league. I know it seems I blame Alex a lot, but I’m putting more blame on the staff, unless they don’t have faith but we won’t know.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
not an unfair assessment right there
I’m hoping the offseason will get everybody more comfortable from the coaches on down, and we’ll see some better play calling and utilization of our personnel next season.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
No, the main reason is because Alex can't do progressions
and everyone in the NFL knows it.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 8, 2012 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
It was confirmed by Greg Cosell who has access to the all-22
by asmithisaverage on Feb 8, 2012 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
Did he look at 16 games or one? link?
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Can we see a link?
From my own eyes, he looked solid on his progressions all year, seeing the whole field. Besides, a symptom of QBs who throw to their initial option even in coverage is a ton of interceptions, which Smith obviously didn’t have.
I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 8, 2012 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
Seeing the whole field?
Where does this imaginary stuff come from?
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
We are not GB, we are closer to NE.
Our biggest offensive disguise is the use of two TEs, we can run and pass at any time.
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect ? to be super so soon.
Errr.. no
The similarities end at having two guys listed at the TE position on the field at once. They use them in a completely different way and hardly ever use a fullback.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
read closely
I said closer to NE than GB, I never said they are JUST like NE
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect ? to be super so soon.
I did
They aren’t at all close to either.
Technically W. Virginia is closer to Australia than Vermont but you wouldn’t say either are close.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
There is no place for a slot WR in this offense.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
KW is our Wes Welker
Crabtree should be fighting for split end playing time.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 8, 2012 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
I'd be down with that. He's fast as hell.
Just don’t let him return punts
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
Here's our draft plan
Trade CK7, 2012 1st round, 2013 1st round, and 2014 1st round to the Colts.
Get Luck.
Dynasty.
We still believe!!
Become a fan on facebook! www.facebook.com/goldenstateofmind
Sounds good
but the Colts don’t want it
by asmithisaverage on Feb 8, 2012 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
start Kaepernick=Dynasty!
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
As if the Colts would take that
I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 8, 2012 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
Jim Irsay is a closet 49ers fan
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Completely agree with this statement
Consistency, Consistency, Consistency. This is the first time in years we don’t have a major change to some part of our game. That’s huge, and it is the reason I use whenever I’m arguing for Michael Crabtree – he’s never had that in his career. We need to take advantage of that, and have our players executing from day one – I repeat that from an earlier point because it’s just that important. Football so often comes down to luck, and teams that execute better often create their own luck. Just look at the NFC Championship game.
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
Yup , that's why I keep banging the year Two under Harbaugh and Company drum ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
by Edggy on Feb 8, 2012 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
how did that work last time we had the same coach for two years?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
oh yeah because
Mike Singletary was a fantastic coach.
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
how you feel about Mike Singletary and/or Jimmy Raye does not change the fact about the performance of the offense and Alex smith during the second year with both of them.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
it's not how I feel
it’s fact. We all had to live through the Sing/Raye era, how is the offense supposed to perform at a high level when there isn’t a competent coach with a competent game plan running it?
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
the argument is not about sing or raye; it is about the offense doing better the second year being in that offense. It did not work out that way; which is what I pointed out!
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 8, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
omg lol
how did that work last time we had the same coach for two years?
you were the one that brought Sing and Raye into it with this comment, they were the coaches you were talking about. If you didn’t want them brought into the discussion, why make that comment? You can’t just ignore the fact that those two guys sucked as HC and OC because it makes your Alex bashing easier. It has no bearing on what may or may not happen in year 2 under Harbuagh.
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
scroll up
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2012 1:15 AM PST up reply actions
yeah that's what I thought
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
Funny , he says scroll up , I didn't read it the first time , now he thinks we're going to give a second shot , like all the sudden if we keep reading it , it will all make sense ...!!... !!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
ya, scroll up oh "boy"...!!!!
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
did you?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
no i'm done wasting my time wit you
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
you're wasting your time
Any fact, stat or contex will be ignored unless it makes alex look like crap. Any attempt at a rational conversation is wasted effort.
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 9, 2012 3:46 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
bingo!
Any fact, stat or contex will be ignored unless it makes alex look likecraphe created god. Any attempt at a rational conversation is wasted effort.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 9, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Except I used a stat that made Alex look bad.
So nyeh.
I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 9, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
if you ever say anything good about Alex, that's all that matters to him
You could criticism him sometimes and point out some things that he does well. But all he will do is focus on the fact that you said something good and delude himself into thinking that you’re calling him the next Montana. I’m pretty sure most of us recognize that Alex is far from perfect. He’s had bad games, like the one against the Giants, but he’s played pretty well at times this year too.
seriously
I point out the fact that Mike Singletary and Jimmy Raye were atrocious and all of a sudden I’m calling Alex Smith a God.
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
turns out that Darth Vader was wrong, hate doesn't make you powerful
It just makes you crazy
I'm not an Alex Smith appologist. I'm an Alex hater hater.
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 10, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Rec. Feel the hate flow through you. It gives you focus.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 10, 2012 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
the offense is gonna look really good
when the opposing team is calling out our plays, 25% of the time Raye couldn’t even remember his own plays to call causing us to take timeouts with the play clock running down, and when we did run plays it was 2 plays up the gut and one 3rd and long pass. Yeah. Our QB should have been awesome.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
Right especially the play called interception, or ridiculous fumble. It’s still up to the player to execute. Harbaugh has ran on third and long. And numerous other coaching staffs. Raye forgot the plays? Where’s that link?
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
that's not necessary
I’m sure Raye didn’t intend for Smith/Smith/Carr to make bonehead mistakes. Also, Raye did not forget plays, the play was garbled. Whatever that means.
pretty sure I read somewhere last year
where Raye was having issues with remembering his plays and having to always look them up. I could be wrong. I remember the garbled thing too. Either way, Alex wasn’t getting plays until 15 seconds on the play clock. Hard to make defensive reads at the LOS with less than 10 seconds to snap the ball.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
He was often at rhe line of scrimmage this year with 8-10 seconds
Pre snap reads? You fail again.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
How many time outs did we call because we ran the clock out this year
not even a quarter as many as last year
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
this is funny, I see what you did there.
The argument isn’t about who has a better staff. I prefer harbaugh. Now, in response to this nonsense an improperly called timeout is just that and there were plenty.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
there were plenty more last year
and it had nothing to do with Alex
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
Ok. I concede. Alex sucks.
But he’s going to be our QB for at least the next 2 years, so rub some dirt on it and walk it off. And you know what? We’ll be just fine.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
What is this?
Kindergarten?
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
apparently
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
I would like to ask what’s the highest level of football you competed at a high level…….if its not college, as a starter, you should never make this type of comment. Smith did not play well and the stat people love to grab from his last 19 or so starts, neglect the fact that he was in Rayes system even after he was fired.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Right, but playing says you have some.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Just cuz you played doesn't mean you know what you're talking about
Case in point: Mike Singletary as a head coach
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
touche
Playing means you have knowledge of technique. It says nothing about if you understand strategy.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 10, 2012 1:51 AM PST up reply actions
Funny that people dont agree with you, you have to pull useless crap out of no where.
Saying no one could do anything in that offense is just not accurate. Blaming the actual offense for bad play calling is ridiculous, especially since there was a lot of bad play calling this year. As I said there are no plays called fumble and interception, those plays are on the players not the offense or the staff. Your comprehension of the English language could be in question. Not you but the fella up above.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
But playing the game , helps you keep everything in perspective ...
… keeping it Real as I like to say , knowing that on ( ANY ) given play there are a lot more varibles that need to be executed form all 11 players to preform for that ONE play to succeed , timing, technic , reads , protection, assignments & won’t even get into the long grind , dedication & physicality of the sport …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
up the gut
yes Harbs called run plays on 3rd and long, but they often weren’t the blatantly obvious and predictable plays Sing/Raye called. Even Harbs had his fair share of those in the red zone, and they rarely worked.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
Really, so the one wr set wasnt obvious?
Double fail, Harbaugh didn’t call plays.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Harbs/Roman/Jeep
you’re arguing semantics
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
I don't know how you can possibly argue for the Sing/Raye offense
when it is pretty much universally accepted that it was absolute horse crap. No QB could have succeeded in that mess. It had nothing to do with Alex.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
Im not arguing for the offense. Fact remains, Alex has been in the same system more than one season before.
That performance does not warrant belief, its more like hope for me. You choose your avenue, I choose mine. That mess was in place because he wasn’t fully trusted and rightfully so.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
the point also remains
In a system like that, anybody you put in it is doomed to fail. Poor game plans, predictable play calling, poor blocking schemes. The whole offense looked like crap. Alex was just a small piece of that puzzle.The offense was garbage as a whole.
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
Thats not the system thats the gameplan.
What other game besides the chiefs game did that happen?
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Poor game plans, predictable play calling, poor blocking schemes?
All of them
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
Yeah right,
Case closed, I’m done.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I was one that expected improvement from Alex going into the second year in that system
But it became clear early on that the system itself didn’t really have enough complexity to allow for it. It was a mind reader system when it came to audibles as was explained earlier this year. QB and WR had to see the same thing and make the same adjustment because there was no pre-designed adjustment for plays. Hence Alex and Crabtree making completely opposite adjustments several times.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
You saying this
Implies they were bad because of Alex.
Nothing could be farther from the truth. Singletary and Raye were embarrassingly awful. No matter how bad you hate Alex, that’s a fact.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Feb 8, 2012 11:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
you're giving him too much credit
Jimmy Raye was the genious behind our offense
Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94
Rule #2) Follow rule #1
oh how could I forget
the creator of the revolutionary UpGut.com offense that was so consistent and dynamic.
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
dad gum yahoos
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
"You mean we're allowed to throw the ball past the LOS?"
Woah.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Oh crud,
Did I say Michael Crabtree? I meant Alex Smith. Duh. Fixed.
I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 8, 2012 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, I totally did say Alex Smith
I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 8, 2012 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
I think the statement works for the offense as a whole
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
Great write up
Pretty good rundown of all the sensible moves this FO is expected to make. I’m sure there will be a few surprises, but this is a good blueprint.
Only thing I disagree with is the notion that the niners should trade up. There aren’t any great receivers in this draft like Green and Jones, especially in the 15-20’s, which is the highest the niners can get. I’d rather the team find talent in the mid-rounds, nourish it, and end up with young depth across the board. its the philosophy that build the current 49ers roster, which is a testament to how successful it can be.
I disagree.
The way I see this draft at WR is that after Blackmon, there are 4 guys who fit into that 15-30 range – Kendall Wright, Michael Floyd, Alshon Jeffery, and Mohamed Sanu. If one of them falls to us, great, but that’s not guaranteed. If we can trade up to 15 or so and get Wright, that would be a huge help for our offense.
I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 8, 2012 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
that's fair
If the 49ers want a receiver this year, the available ones are in mid-to-late first round (other than blackmon, of course). But personally, I think Wright, Floyd, Jeffrey, and Sanu are all overvalued to some extent. Last year, most of those guys wouldn’t have even gone in the first round.
I’d rather see this team pick BPA at #30, or trade back and most likely get Sanu in the early second round.
I want pie.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Feb 8, 2012 11:10 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
when it comes to WR's...you have to go with-->
V-Jax or Bowe….NO ONE ELSE, unless you pick a WR in the draft!….the NINERS need a BIG BIG BIG WR with size, speed and hands…the only 2 that comes to mind is bowe and v-jax…Jackson, stevie johnson, manningham (size but not a #1) wont fit what the NINERS are looking for in my opinon! idk if the niners want to cough up the $$$$ but i think these 2 guys are the only two we should even have interest in……
Id take Stevie Johnson over both.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Better dollar for dollar value if not the same total production
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
Ding Ding Ding
Somebody gets it, its called a dynasty for its longevity.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I'd be super happy with Stevie
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
Yup.
Dwayne and VJax are both clear cut #1 guys. They are not the elite 5 but they are part of the next 5 after that. #1 guys on more than half the league. SJ13 is 1 tier below them with the chance to develop into a Miles Austin/Steve Smith kinda guy. He’s a quality #1 and elite #2. A perfect compliment to Crabtree who is a mediocre #1 but could be an elite #2 against CBs where he can actually get separation.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not too sure Ginn is THAT valuable
I’d love to have him back on the cheap. but that means CHEAP. He’s a KR and nothing more. I’d attribute his value to the fact that he was the only decent returner on the roster, not his great skill. Not taking anything away from TG, but he’s just not a priority to re-sign.
Monta Ellis.
Fair point
Though I will say that he’s a damn good KR. He contributed to the #1 special teams unit in the league which I believe was #3 on returns, and we really have no one else after him.
I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 9, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
The fact that we lost a potential SB ring
Shows you how valuable Ginn is.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Agreed
Just keep him off the field at all other times so as to mitigate his getting injured
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
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WR
I kind of disagree with the general sentiment that we need to get someone like Bowe. That type of money can be invested much wisely elsewhere (O-Line) that will also see a much greater return. We absolutely need quality and depth at WR, no doubt, but having a “#1” WR is pretty overrated in the general scheme of things unless you can land a true elite threat (of which there are only four by my count in the game today: Johnson, Johnson, Fitz, and soon to be AJ Green.)
This, if we spend the money on a guard per se, we can then use our first rounder on Brooks replacement.
Add playmakers at RB, WR, and you can find a late round TE and some playmaking cbs.Then
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I do think Carl Nicks would be a better use of 40-50M than VJax or Bowe
But my optimal is SJ13, move up and get Konz, take Nick Toon in the 2nd.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
No on Nick Toon, we need a player that can take it the distance at any given time.
Someone with some size
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That's SJ13 who can take it the distance
Toon is a red zone target
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
Toon's got size and quickness about him
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Negligible speed. And I can officially say I've watched entirely too much football and tape
I was gonna say 4.53 from his tape. Went to nfldraftscout and they have him at 4.52
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 10, 2012 1:53 AM PST up reply actions
Best thing is he has good footwork and is tight in and out of his breaks. Not so much on comebacks because of his height
but on slants, posts, double moves and has displayed a beautiful 90 degree cut on a slant-corner route
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 10, 2012 1:56 AM PST up reply actions
I like how smooth that kid is out of his cuts
You can be slow as hell but if you are running routes like that you will create some separation.
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I'd rather have Carlos Rogers or Dashon Goldson than Mario Williams...
But heck, if we can re-sign everyone and get V-jax and Mario Williams, swell!
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 9, 2012 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
Let's see:
We have about 30 million in cap space. If we re-sign our guys like so:
Smith: 5.5mpy
Rogers: 5mpy
Goldson:2.5mpy
Brooks:2.25mpy
Snyder:1.75mpy
Morgan:1.25mpy
Ginn:1mpy
Peele/Williams/Costanzo/Spillman/Grant: 750kpy each
That leaves us with 8.25 million to spend, which should be enough to bring in an elite WR but probably not much else.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 9, 2012 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
Goldson wont take that.
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Lol Just saw his numbers
Smith MIGHT take 5.5, if thats the guaranteed money with options to 10 million. Rogers ain’t taking 5 and Goldson sure as hell isn’t taking 2.5
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 10, 2012 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Goldston
He turned down 25 for 5 last year. Trent’s going to have to have another ace up his sleeve if we retain the important fa’s and get a #1 receiver. There’s not that much money left.
by Shaun Johnson on Feb 11, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Trent Baalke
Niner’s MO is building through the draft and staying young. Goldson will not settle for less than 16 million guarantee on four years. I love the guy and want to just say pay him but even I know that is foolish after watching tape. A player who could see his draft stock drop because of injury and an expected slow 40 time at the combine is Mark Barron from Alabama. The niners may need to jump up a few slots to do it but I think grabbing a guy and solidifying the free safety position is the best choice. I would also give an extension to Donte Whitner’s contract to lock him up for an additional two, with the team getting the option for a 6th year.
Carlos Rodgers may of very well played himself way out of what we can pay him. Courtland Finnegan, would fit into the defense’s hard hitting, run stopping style and be a younger, cheaper option. He does come with a few flags but I honestly think he is just a guy with a huge passion for the game.
Also, I would try to add a piece to the O-line from the draft. I like to think we are an o/g or center away from having a great o-line for the next 5 years. As for wide receiver, I don’t think the niner’s need a big name wide out. I would try and land Robert Meachem, he was a stud in college and I believe the only reason he doesn’t shine in New Orleans is because of how much they spread the ball, he seems to have huge games and then becomes non existent.
Last, if Harbaugh says Alex Smith is the most important free agent, then in Harbaugh I trust. Go sign Alex, I have always been on the bandwagon and I won’t give up now. Alex Smith 6 years 60 million.
Barron as a free safety?
He’s a guy that looks much more comfortable down in the box.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
We took a Safety in the draft last year and converted him to corner.
What’s to say we couldn’t take a corner that plays well in zone who happesn to slide to us and do the same with him.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 10, 2012 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
culliver?
He had already been converted the corner in college, he just played safety before that
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by Andrew9erfan on Feb 11, 2012 5:03 AM PST up reply actions
I thought he played corner there for like his freshman year and safety the rest of the way.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 11, 2012 5:25 AM PST up reply actions
other way around
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Let Rogers walk?
I like the cb from kc. He’s only 25. Or what about the possibility of going with brown and culli and signing an elite pass rusher to pair with Aldon? We can get away with subpar cb’s if there’s no time to throw.
Brandon Carr?
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
or Brandon Flowers?
both are pretty good
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