2011 49ers Grades: Michael Crabtree
by Tre9er on Feb 10, 2012 4:00 PM PST
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I know I said I was "back in the saddle" in my last post, yet have been mostly absent since then. Well, let's just say I'm having a hard time adjusting the stirrups and buckles and such...but I'm working on it. In that vein, it's time to take a look at Michael Crabtree's 2011 season and do some evaluating.
Crabtree impressed me a lot this year and Head Coach Jim Harbaugh agreed, repeatedly talking about how great of a blocker he was, something we saw on tape quite a bit. He's always been known as a strong guy for a receiver, and his build (6'1" ~200lbs.) is consistent with that.
I know, I know...blocking? Yeah, well that is nice to see from your oft-labeled "diva" receiver. He seemed to really have a good team-first mentatlity most of the season, which I appreciate. Let's hope we can get him into training camp and not miss any time this year.
Beyond his attitude and blocking, Crabtree put up some good numbers this year...for a number 2 WR (which is really what his skillset is best-suited for). He actually put up career-high receiving yardage totals and was part of a few big plays. Personally I think he can still get better with an even better understanding of the offense and more chemistry with his QB. Here's the stats:
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Showed great improvement as he got healthy. Struggled in the playoffs. Some blame can go to Alex Smith, but Crabtree is not blameless (takes two to tango). But I really liked the steps he took.
I'd give him an 8 for the season, and a 2 for the playoffs
That said, the playoffs is just two games, meaning it’s a super-small sample size, so he gets a 7 from me.
I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 10, 2012 4:05 PM PST reply actions
Shouldn't the playoff games get a little extra weight?
In my book those 2 playoff games outweigh the rest of the season.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Feb 10, 2012 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
For a 1st rounder
I expect 1000 yards. Maybe he will get there next year. That would mean he has progressed.
by Chi-town Niners on Feb 10, 2012 4:06 PM PST reply actions
how about for a #1 overall pick QB
who has absolutely no one to throw the ball to other than the highest draft tight end in history?
by Sigelvictory on Feb 10, 2012 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
Thats just totally false.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Why, Why, and Why,
do so many posts get hi-jacked by Alex Smith? Why can’t he stay in his own posts and quit stealing everyone else’s?
by HighFive on Feb 10, 2012 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
lol...
I did not see my comment as an Alex Smith defense… as much as a indictment of out receiving core… RLott: enlighten me as to whom our quality receivers are?
by Sigelvictory on Feb 10, 2012 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
unless you are saying it is false that VD
is the highest drafted tight end… which I am aware, was an exaggeration. Though I am sure he is way up there… and certainly the highest drafted since the what, 70’s?
by Sigelvictory on Feb 10, 2012 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
I think VD is the highest drafted TE ever actually.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 10, 2012 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Nevermind
Ron Kramer went 4, Ditka went 5 and Riley Odoms went 5 in 1972
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 10, 2012 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
We’re talking about Crabtree and his production. It just so happens that the only way he can produce is by catching the ball thrown by the QB which also happens to be Alex.
So I would say that involving Smith in the discussion is warranted, since the offense is all on him
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by mtl9ers14 on Feb 10, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The only way Alex can avoid turnovers is if Crabtree doesn't pop them straight up into the air for defenders to catch them
Thankfully he managed to knock them into the ground against NO
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 10, 2012 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
hush man
when your last name isn’t Smith you are judged on your previous season’s actions…
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What him tipping balls into the air or them being caught?
They didn’t get caught this year but he certainly tipped them up into the air and Alex just happened to throw to him when he had no one close. Perhaps there is a reason Alex doesn’t throw to him when he’s covered?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 11, 2012 4:58 AM PST up reply actions
Why would you reply to me?
I just pointed out that there are plenty weapons on this offense. Maybe the staff has a better clue on how to use them.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Scumbag 49er fans
Wants WRs to put up 1000+ yards ok with 3000 yards passer.
Imagine the scumbag Steve meme.
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by manraj7 on Feb 10, 2012 10:02 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Looks like..
3 other WRs did it and 3 others got very close to 1000yards with similar numbers from their QBs. Doesn’t seem like that much of a stretch to hope for the same from our WR1.
Miami QBs 3425 yards-Brandon Marshall 1214 yards
Cin QBs 3507 yards-AJ Green 1057 yards
Ind QBs 3223 yards-Reggie Wayne 960 yards/Pierre Garcon 947 yards
KC QBs 3288 yards-Dwayne Bowe 1159 yards
Min QBs 3255 yards-Percy Harvin 967 yards
49ers QBs 3193 yards-Michael Crabtree 874 yards
how many of them played the majority of the season recovering from a broken foot and have to compete with snaps with a TE like VD?
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AJ Green injured his knee and missed games. Harvin is constantly injured. Bowe plays through injuries. Brandon Marshall hears voices and has to deal with those.
How many of them have TE’s that allow them to man to man coverage because the center of the field gets sucked down. I mean that poor Wes Welker couldn’t possibly put up good numbers with those TEs controlling the middle of the field.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 11, 2012 5:02 AM PST up reply actions
Part of the reason (though not the only reason) we only have a 3000+ yard passer
is WR play (i.e. Crabtree and his peers).
One sec
Lemme tell his ankle to stop getting injured
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Feb 11, 2012 8:09 AM PST up reply actions
Crabtree
Suited better for slot. 49’s need a faster and bigger WR.
correction
49ers need two bigger and faster WR options. Not to mention, there isn’t much expected out of the slot position in this offense.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
If we had 2 guys that could beat Crabtree out
putting Crabs in the slot, I think we’d see a lot more 3 WR formations.
I would hope so anyway.
If the position is lacking its better to spread them out and not bunch them together.
The position is lacking because our front office has decided to not strengthen the position. Not to mention a #10 pick on a WR that “needs” to be in the slot, is a bad pick!!
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I think Crabtree could be successful as a #2
it’s just him being in the slot would almost certainly create the mismatches he needs.
If we had 2 receivers better than Crabtree, no doubt he’s getting overpaid, but just because he was the #10 pick and isn’t a bonafide #1 WR doesn’t mean he’s useless.
Josh Morgan was our best WR before his injury...
he was producing better and had better chemistry with Alex….to bad he got injured because Josh was on his way to his best season.
I actully think had it been Crabtree who got injured, Josh may have made everyone forget about Crabtree. That is how good of a season I think Josh was on his way to.
Not knocking Crabtree here, simply believe had Josh stayed healthy he would have been our leading WR and…..and I think he would have been more productive than Crabtree was in our playoff run, thats all.
by BigMar on Feb 10, 2012 4:28 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
19 targets, 15 catches over 14 yards a catch
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 10, 2012 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Crabtree's made strides
But has a ways to go. Getting a case of the drops has hurt us more than once. I’m glad he’s gotten good at blocking and he is becoming a team-first player. He needs to take that next step now.
Rated him a 5.
Who's got it better than Honey Badger? Honey Badger don't give a ....
Kaepernick's raw talent + Harbaugh's coaching = Hall of Fame QB
I like Crabtree , but with nobody to go along with him ( Swain Hastings ) there's little threat ...
… they need someone as good or better then Crabtree , to take some pressure off him …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Gave him a Seven , can wait to see whom they bring in to help @ Wr , year Two should prove better for all under Harbaugh and Company ...!!
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Again, I find myself agreeing with you
I gave him a seven as well.
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
I thought you said give him seven
I was like hold on for a second…
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Wow ... you guys do amaze me. A #2 receiver with that production for a top-10 pick?? Ug!!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 10, 2012 5:22 PM PST reply actions
Thankfully we don't have the same regime making the picks now!!
Crabtree, Rachal, Mays … hopefully we’re way past that evaluation process.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 10, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
you're seriously going to compare crabtree to mays and rachal???
he had 72 receptions and 874 yards on a team that passed for a little over 3000. He obviously hasn’t lived up to expectations but to say he’s basically a bust is absurd.
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Mays was picked at 49 which means he could use development
Crabtree was picked at 10 and since being picked has managed to hold out well into the season for money, miss training camps, get called out by our best receiver for milking an injury and not practicing, and pop balls into the air so they can be picked off.
I think Crabs is a bigger failure than Mays at this point.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 10, 2012 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
how can you milk a broken bone in your foot and a neck injury?
And how can you possibly say that crabs is a bigger failure than mays? At least Crabtree is on the field playing rather where Mays can’t even crack the starting lineup for the bengals. That statement is ridiculous.
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also to compare the two a little more
Crabtree had almost 30% of all receiving yards while Streets had approximately 21%
not comparable
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Some people don't care that he broke his foot. It just doesn't matter to them.
They just write it off as if it was nothing.
they obviously never broken any bone...
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Lol I broke my foot and had to drive on for 3 months before I even got it treated.
You know what I did when I broke it in the middle of a mission? I tightened my damn boot up to keep it from swelling and then slept with my boot on for the next 3 days.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 11, 2012 5:04 AM PST up reply actions
when was the last time you saw a player with a broken foot and a walking boot on. Start running on the field and running routes???
You’re grasping at straws over here. No player in their right mind would risk further injury and suffer a setback in their rehab just to play in a meaningless preseason game
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by mtl9ers14 on Feb 11, 2012 5:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Mays is a 2nd year 50th draft pick
Crabs was a 3rd year #10. Mays to this point is less of a bust than Tai Crabstreets
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 11, 2012 5:05 AM PST up reply actions
I think being traded one year after being drafted is a bigger failure.
You have to put most of the blame for the holdout on his agent.
He’s missed training camps because of injuries.
He’s never missed a practice except for injury reasons.
Not once did a ball bounce off Crabtree’s hands into a defender’s for an interception this season.
on his agent?
Isn’t it his decision? Doesn’t the agent work for him? I don’t mind drops all wrs will drop a ball. Problem is, what the hell is he good at?
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
And what of VD calling him out for not really being injured and Sing basically saying Vernon was right?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 11, 2012 5:07 AM PST up reply actions
when did vd and singleterry get their medical license?
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by mtl9ers14 on Feb 11, 2012 5:40 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Crabtree hate, every day
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
by 10forTech on Feb 11, 2012 6:35 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I mean lets be honest. Tai Streets 3rd full season caught 72 balls for 756 yards
Crabs isn’t that much better than Tai Streets at this point. Probably has dropped more passes too.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 10, 2012 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
You may be missing my point ...
I expect a #10 overall pick in any draft to be a MAJOR contributor … not only production (I’d give him a B for that THIS YEAR, but not before) but high-level consistency and reliability (Crabtree has NEITHER). Probably the most consistent part of his game is that you can be sure that will drop catchable balls or serve as a pinball bumper, allowing balls to bounce off his hands or pads directly to the opponents’ DBs. Yes, he produced this year … but nowhere close to what I expect of a top-10 pick! IN THAT SENSE, he is a significant underachiever IMO.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 11, 2012 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
that's fair
the one thing that keeps my hopes high with crabtree is that he has improved every year. Of course we should expect a 10th over pick to have an immediate impact, but if it takes him 4-5 years to reach his potential then it was worth it IMO.
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The problem is exactly that
It’s not worth it. If it takes 4-5 years to get to where he should have been coming out of the draft then we didn’t get value for the pick and money we invested into him. If he makes it to 4 or 5 years before reaching his potential then we aren’t getting the player we’ve paid for until it’s time to open the checkbook for him again.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Crabtree's play the first half of the season is also responsible
for those pedestrian yardage numbers, both for him and the offense as a whole. Hard to pass for 4000 yards when you
a) run the ball as much as we do
b) always have good field position like we (usually) do
c) have a bad WR corp with no depth, along with nearly everyone having drop problems
d) our best receiver (VD) had a hard time this year, as well as problems with drops
e) don’t have a QB that can overcome all these things
All those add up. If we signed a guy like Bowe in the offseason and got better depth guys, I believe we could easily pass for 4000 yards. Especially if VD can carry that playoff momentum into next year.
Easily? doubtful, Alex is still the qb.
Mannings WRs are heralded as better and they led the.league in drops. QB still throws for over 4000. Is it the QB, system, or WR? That make this possible.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
not realistic...a 1st rounder you'd have to do it, 2nd rounder there is no guarantee you'd get a better player.
I say you’d have to for the 1st rounder mainly because of the new rookie salary slotting
speaking hypethetically of course...
because no one is going to offer anything close to that high a pick for him…
by Sigelvictory on Feb 10, 2012 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
If a team offered me a 2nd... I'd consider it.
Depends on where in the 2nd. I’d want to give Crabs 1 more year to see if he can turn it around. By next year I think we’ll be looking to trade him for a 3rd
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 10, 2012 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
For any of the first 40-50 picks ... in a heartbeat!!
And understand … I don’t HATE Crabtree, I just think that he is a consistent underachiever. We can do better!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 11, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
So strait forward question...place Crabtree in last years 2011 draft
where A.J Green & Julio Jones were drafted in the 1st round and…
Torrey Smith & Randall Cobb were drafted in the 2nd round.
Now if Crabtree were in this same draft…. in what order do you place these WR’s?
Green, Jones, Crabtree, Smith, Cobb.
I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 10, 2012 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
hindsight you know...
I remember being jazzed about drafting him, but he is simply not a #1 wide out… no where in the same ballpark as AJ Green… that kid is a stud.
by Sigelvictory on Feb 10, 2012 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
Hindsight , dang if there was such , It wouldn't have nothing to do with the draft that's for sure ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
hindsight is not germane to the situation?
by Sigelvictory on Feb 10, 2012 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
No ... actually it's spelled "germane"! But you were being funny, right?
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 11, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
not a fair way to put it....
like someone said above, with the offense we field last year, just over 3000 yards passing and zero 300 yard games, he had ok stats. With josh morgan being hurt though, I think hurt crabtree more than anything.
I still say we go after dwayne bowe or desean jackson. Our locker room can deal with whatever problems jackson has in his head….
Would love to see DeSean on the field.
As long as Vernon Davis and Harbaugh stomp the diva and headcase out of him.
by runningblack on Feb 10, 2012 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
i honestly think our locker room can handle it....
like the time VD yelled at crabs for being a baby…. hes the explosive playmaker next to VD we need. He would stretch the field and give everyone single coverage. Who would you cover in that offense? Djax or VD? Plus crabtree would be in single coverage too and we’d finally see what hes made of.
I could imagine a 3 WR, 2 TE set. That would be a heck of a formation. Like I said, who the heck would you cover?
I have the same order but flip Smith and Craptree
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I don't know.
Smith wasn’t very consistent. He had 3 catches or less in 10 games this year. While Crabtree had only 4 of those games(3 of which came in the first 5 weeks while he was still healing the broken foot).
I would prefer Smith, mainly because he is a deep threat vs any corner.
Crabtree is well, just Crabtree, all flash no gas.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I'd still take Julio first
13 games 959 yards receiving with way better athleticism than Green
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 10, 2012 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
You left out Jonathan Baldwin
Green, Jones, Crabtree/Baldwin or vice versa
Then Smith and Cobb
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 10, 2012 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously??
You are going to take a guy coach harbaugh gushes over for the guy that got beat up in his own locker room? Wow. Perspective buddy
Enigma
I still don’t know what to think of crabs. I think he clearly has the skill set to be a #1 receiver, but for whatever reason it doesn’t show up stat wise. Although I think the argument could be
made that his stats relative to the offense as a whole really aren’t that bad. Its unlikely he would have huge number in an offense that only throws for 3200 yards a season, especially when you factor in other offenses that put up huge numbers, 4500-5000+ yards.
by Ritzy9er on Feb 10, 2012 7:30 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Which WR would you take in the 1st rd?
This year’s draft class seems to be pretty deep at the wide receiver position. Would you take a chance on a wide receiver in the first and if so who do you think the Niners should pick? I like Sanu out of Rutgers he’s got the size and talent and I think he would fit well in our offensive system. He also doesn’t appear to have any character issues and doesn’t strike me to be a diva type.
I like Sanu too.
Scared he will go before us though. Will be disappointed if Sanu is there and we don’t draft him.
In my opinion a #1 WR, is going to open things up for another WR on the team.
Since Craptree is not a #1, we are in need of a better WR or a better scheme to get him the ball in space. I’ve always loathed the pick and still think it hampered both sides of the ball, since McBooFoo took him, however, he has been productive and he has been open and bad throws were made. Drops are going to happen, so he can still be good for the team, but he is waaaay overpaid.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
My phone finishes the words I meant to type his actual name.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
LOL
Your phone knows it’s football
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 10, 2012 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
my new favorite comment of the year.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I'm in favor of this
better scheme to get him the ball in space
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Hard to do since he doesn't have special size, strength, or speed
And teams know they can press him without having to pay for it.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Exactly why he should be moved. Trade him for D Jack, sign S Johnson......lol
I thought this was Madden.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Well maybe not that harsh
But there is a point to be made that we are paying him way too much for what he’s providing this offense.
But say we got lucky and found a #1 in the 3rd round of the draft like we did with Owens. This time next year Michael Crabtree would likely be a cap casualty if his play did not significantly step up for the 2012 season.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
He made more than Justin Smith last year. We need to mmove him, I would.
It probably could only happen in Madden, but Stevie Johnson with Meacham would be better for the team. I’d move Crabtree to the Broncos to be an ass
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Johnson, yes, Meachem, eh...
Meachem didn’t really play up to his potential with the Saints. You can talk about spreading the ball around all you want, but Brees gets the ball to his guys that are constantly open. Meachem was not one of those guys. He would struggle more than Crabtree here, I think.
I wouldn’t be against bringing him in for not a lot of money though. He’s better than anyone not named Crabtree or Morgan at WR for us.
Hes a deep threat unlike Crabtree and Morgan. Accompanied with Johnson who can beat you anywhere, he would not be a bad addition.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Well, yeah, both of them together would be fine.
I think it’s a bit unrealistic though. I’d like for us to spend money like that on WR this offseason, but I don’t see it happening.
I agree, but he's not a receiver I'd give the benefit of the doubt
to overpay. I have no idea what Meachem is looking for, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s looking to get a decent contract.
Meacham wont demand Crabtrees current cap hit.
In response to your other comment, unrealistic, are you actually reading the posts?
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
You really think someone is going to give us a decent trade for Crabtree?
With is contract and underachieving resume?
Everyone else in the league is not a niner fan.
They can choose reality over kool-aid. Smith has not been a good QB. Unfortunately, Craptree has to depend on Smith and the OL.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Jets, Dolphins, Rams, and yes Id trade him to our divisiin if the price was right.
McBOOFOO will give up a 2nd.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
That is the determining factor
Who would pay and how much.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
I can only think of the Jets, Crabtree a 4th for a 2nd
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Completely agree, the thing that can help Crabtree the most is
an actual #1 WR across from him. He is definitely overpaid too.
Might be a little better than Stokes.
I think he stacks up to Tai Streets in his 4th year.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 11, 2012 5:10 AM PST up reply actions
I was just about to post teh exact same thing
Although I think Crabtree has better play-making ability than Stokes, there are a lot of similarities: both are big receivers drafted high in the first round and came in with high expectations that they never managed to live up to, but both filled a role as competent number 2 receivers. We just need to find a TO to Crabtree’s JJ. I expect we’ll either trade-up in the first round to draft a WR or make a Free-Agent acquisition at WR. This season left me wondering once again what would have happened if we had drafted Dez Bryant instead of one of the O-Linemen in the 2010 draft.
by suffrin9erfan on Feb 11, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
To those of ypou who think its Alex or our offensive scheme limiting Crabtree...
simply imagine A.J. Green in the Crabtree role….. tell me you don’t that A.J. Green would produce superior numbers over Crabtree , even in our system.
A.J. Green would elevate Alex as a Q.B. just like any true legit #1 WR would do for any Q.B.
Give Alex Jerry Rice, Give Alex Mike Wallace…..you get my point?
Crabtree is Crabtree….its been 3 seasons, he is WHO is is…a move the chain possession WR, not a game changing #1 WR.
The personnel does not cause poor reads and inaccurate throws, nor does it cause hesitation to throw to players that are open.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Alex Smith isn't the most accurate QB, but he's definitely doesn't miss enough throws
to be called “inaccurate.” I don’t see the hesitation to throw to open receivers either. He does have hesitation throwing into tight windows, however. Unless it’s Vernon Davis during the playoffs.
He doesnt?
Lol, no comment!
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Yeah, that 61.3% completion percentage with our drop happy
receivers this year is so awful!
I realise completion percentage doesn’t complete gauge a QB’s accuracy, but with what Alex had to work with this year, I’ll take 61%. I definitely look for an improvement next year, especially if better receiving talent and actual receiving depth is brought in this offseason.
That 61 % is also a reflection of the passes he threw away , which were many and for the most part smart plays ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
There is a lot of gimme completions involved, as in, the defense doesn’t mind the completion because its short of the first down. Obviously, the passing offense was at league bottom in attempts, its easier to complete more passes. His completion pct. is not a gauge for his true accuracy, and his inconsistent play, leads plenty to believe he’s inaccurate.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Between 5 and 6.
Really made strides in the 2nd half of the season after being dinged up and just not playing well the first half (also missed preseason, some of TC).
Completely disappeared in the playoffs. Had some awful drops in the Saints game.
I really hope we get him some help in the offseason. I think that’s the thing that would help him and our offense the most, a true #1 WR.
Get him some help? You do realize his contract is the biggest issue with getting him help?
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Get my top ten wr a better wr so he cqn justify his pay.....site decorum that.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I'm not denying Crabtree isn't overpaid.
He is most definitely overpaid; however, just because he’s overpaid doesn’t mean he’s useless.
It pretty much is that just in a different context.
Add a “true 1” WR, and he pretty much puts up the same numbers as he just dis in this offense, so, in that case, he’s useless.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
His numbers at the #2 position would be far and beyond
our numbers at that position there this year.
Our 2nd leading WR this year had 241 yards.
Not arguing that.
But his numbers will be about what they are now. In other words….useless!!
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Answer this....why is Vernon Davis EXPLOSIVE with Alex but...
Michael Crabtree is not?
So is it Alex or is it really Crabtree?
Alex is good throwing seams in the middle of the field, posts, and deep and shallow drags.
Alex is holding the ball when guys are open and waiting for guys to appear wide open. He throws behind his wrs quite a bit. In order for a WR to be explosive he needs to be a physical beast ultra fast or getting passes in stride. There is no such thing as hit in stride for a 9er WR. Blame whoever you want but I know the truth. Not to mention the play calling isn’t the greatest for wrs.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
No, but he would be more productive on this roster.
Gonna make the WR position relevant again? When?
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