2012 Free Agency: 49ers Should Pounce on WR Vincent Jackson
The rumor mill is reporting via Jason LaCanfora that the San Diego Chargers will not franchise tag wide receiver Vincent Jackson, and he will likely test the market. LaCanfora went on further to confirm the St. Louis Rams and San Francisco 49ers as the strongest candidates out of all the potential suitors out there. From where I'm sitting, it seems like this is just the man the 49ers are looking for and I'll tell you why.
Let's start with the numbers:
Jackson is 6'5, 230-pounds at age 29. In 2008, 2009 and 2011 when Jackson started at least 15 games, he has produced 1,000+ yard seasons and accumulated 25 touchdowns (7, 9 and 9). Jackson has a career percentage of 17.5 yards per catch, and 18.4 last season. He is a scoring threat from anywhere on the field; he had a long of 58-yards this past season. And at 6'5, he will improve the 49ers 3rd down and red zone issues almost immediately.
The 49ers would basically be adding a Vernon Davis at the wide receiver position and with the creativity from the coaching staff, I'm chomping at the bit thinking of the possibilities with those two on the field at the same time. Furthermore, Vincent Jackson would be the perfect complement to Michael Crabtree, and Crabtree would surely flourish with Jackson's presence.
Jackson is also a veteran who has conducted himself fairly well over the years, and it wouldn't take much for him to fit in the corps of guys already in the 49ers' locker room. I also like what this does for our defense and especially our cornerbacks. Practicing against a big physical, multi-dimensional offensive attack with versatility as well will surely improve the defensive unit (hard to believe, I know).
I think the pitch to Alex Smith is going to be, "Hey, we want you back but to put you over the top, we're going to need to spend a little in free agency to get you a big time target at the wide receiver position." This being a team atmosphere, I don't think Smith would strongly oppose it and would still receive a fair offer. But that's just my opinion.
And even more so, San Francisco wouldn't be focused on the wide receiver position early in the draft; they could look at a guard, cornerback, tailback or rush linebacker. I think the Niners would be pressed to shore up the offensive line if Adam Snyder leaves. The 49ers are also probably going to draft a running back seeing as how coach Harbaugh doesn't have a whole lot invested in Anthony Dixon. I saw LaMichael James projected to the 49ers in the second round even. But those are nothing more than thoughts and options at this point. Bottom line, if the 49ers acquired Jackson, they would have a lot more flexibility in the draft and wouldn't be under the gun. If Trent Baalke had some breathing room, I believe he could do some serious damage like he proved last year.
Enclosing In closing, we know Jackson wants to stay in California, we know he wants to win right now (age 29), we know he wants to be the guy and we know he wants to get paid. I know the 49ers can provide the first three things, whether or not they bend on the fourth is up in the air. We'll see but it couldn't hurt for fans to start campaigning for him on Twitter. If you have an account, get in his head, let him know the fans are behind him and his services are needed.
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He’s the type of receiver that can make Alex Smith better because he can go up and make some spectacular catches
by 49erEmpire on Feb 9, 2012 1:36 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Does he live here currently?
“Enclosing, we know Jackson wants to stay in the Bay Area…”
Yea
I Don’t think he ever lived in the bay area
by 49erEmpire on Feb 9, 2012 1:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
San Diego Bay, San Francisco Bay, meh!
:-D
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We know he likes Cali
part of the reason he wanted to get a deal done with San Diego
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 9, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
He wants big money
Are we gonna pay though?
If the 49ers success offends you, so be it." Jim Harbaugh quote... Love It!
by chriscream on Feb 9, 2012 1:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions
THIS is what concerns me ... I would LOVE to have Jackson, but of the big-name free agent WRs, he will be the most expensive!
How much of a step down would it be to sign Dwayne Bowe from Kansas City? Perhaps less performance, but FAR LESS MONEY! Therefore allowing us to sign more of our own free agents, plus the money needed for draft choices.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 9, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
It will be the same
Bowe offered his discounted rate to KC at 9 Million per
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
Baalke
I have a feeling they are going to sit ack and wait until the big money is spent and then go after the second tier players….maybe Manningham (not my first choice)
by Chi-town Niners on Feb 9, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
Sweetness.
The thought of having a receiver like Vincent Jackson makes me giggle with excitement. Just think: line up with our three tight end offensive formation with Jackson as the sole wide out. Send Davis and Jackson on seams and let the safety make the decision on who to cover. Doesn’t that just sound delightful?
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He'd be a nice addition, but it's gonna come down to year & $...playing w/ Alex might not be too appealing to him either.
Maybe we open up the offense a tad bit more next year and maybe Alex works on throwing receivers open…who knows
Without a doubt
I’d look to grab Bowe first, but Jackson would be great. They’ve got so much talent on this team with just a few missing pieces; it’s time to capitalize on that talent, because windows can close fast.
by TheFreakSFG on Feb 9, 2012 1:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Generally wary of big free Agents signings.
especially since the winner is the team that overpays the most!
Justin Smith worked out though.
Bowe or Jackson. . . . .
We would be in fantastic shape with either, however, if I had my Druthers, I would druther have Jackson (mainly cause I have seen more of him for myself). Another thing, Jackson (and the world for that matter) saw what went on in San Fran – compared to the current Charger environment. And, you would have a guy being sought after who was recently shunned by his old team. Twitter away Gang, Puhleeese!
Here’s a real scary thought. Team V Jack up with V Davis, Walker and the Stanford TE and what do you have. A D-Coord’s nightmare – that’s what!
He would change is name...
to Victor Fleener, so we they can call out the formation for “Flying V…”
exact thought....
Gore + Hunter + Draft pick up RB/ Vernon Davis + Coby Fleener + Vincent Jackson + Crabtree/Morgan = KILL MODE
49ers 2012 Offseason: HELP WANTED at WR, DBs, & O-Line
Coby Fleener is a high 4.7s guy that only weighs 245. He's not some dude that's going to come in and dominate the NFL at 6'5 1/2"
Gronk was 6’6.2" 260 coming into the league (he’s more like 275 now) and runs a 4.68. Jimmy Graham is 6’6.2" 260 and ran a 4.53 and jumped 38 1/2"
They are superior athletes to Fleener. Significantly superior. Lets not fall all over ourselves to overdraft Fleener.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Or any other Stanford player.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
DeCastro is actually worth it IMO
But unless we use our 1 and 2 (too high a price IMO) he won’t be there when we pick.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Clearly you guys just pontificate without doing any significant homework.
Do you even know that most scouting services grade Fleener superior to ALL WRs except Blackmon, Floyd and Wright, none of whom we would have any shot at?
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 9, 2012 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
Same scouting services rated Crabtree yhe best player in the draft and Ryan Leaf a franchise QB.
Sooooooo, they don’t know everything, and are often wrong.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Yup if he's still there at 49 maybe he's worth our and 2nd and 3rd...
Then again Gronk was only worth the 42nd and Hernandez worth a 110+ And Jimmy Graham was only worth a 95. So 49 might be a little early for talent as lacking as Fleener
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
Fleener is much, much faster than that
He has always been the fastest player at any position at Stanford. This year he was third fastest to some 4.4 guys. He’s very fast and very, very athletic. He has great hops as well as an ex-BB player. But wait until the combines and pro-days. The scouting guys have no idea and they just guess at this speed. Bad guesses.
I'm giving him credit at 4.71. A lot of people have him at 4.8
If he runs faster than a 4.65 its a miracle.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
Ugggghhhh, No, he’s 29, there are younger and cheaper free agents. Bowe>Jackson, as well. 6’ 5" and 9 Tds is his max? With Rivers? In this offense those numbers shrink, and he isn’t gonna open up anything. He had Gates and that offense looked like crap all season.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Good points re:
having Gates and Rivers there, and not a bad run game either
by Gob on Feb 9, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Rivers also played like crap for 2/3rds of the season. He was the main reason they didnt make the playoffs
Just that little caveat but I’m with you on wanting SJ13 over either of them. Having a guy with SJ’s sense of humor who still has a tremendous competitive drive never hurts in the locker room either. “WHY SO SERIOUS”
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
And I must say - I was somebody who completely didn't get his twitter rant about god after he dropped the TD
Now I get that he was completely tongue in cheek and commenting socially about everybody that thanks God constantly for what they’ve accomplished through their own hard work. Very clever.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
He's Not Gonna Get A Lot Of Passes, so......
Give him the dolllars! 49ers NEED this guy.
Agent Dunham....Walternate testified that in his universe, AleX Smith is a pro-bowl QB for the Saints, and broke Trent Dilfer's season record of 6000 yards passing. Walter....Thats nice, more LSD please.
Well , the Niners have what 30 Million or so to spend , Franchise Goldson ( 6.2 ) Alex ( 7.5 ) ...
… the following I’d like to see back … Joshua Morgan, Adam Snyder, C.J. Spillman, Blake Costanzo … plus Rookie salaries , leaves about 11 million …. Rogers or Brooks would take most of that up , so whats left at the most 4 million , thinkin" that won’t be enough for V-Jax …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Lol, I didnt want to take the time.
Salivating over FAs, means our players leave. This is why Baalke will build through the draft. I can see, Brooks leaving along with Goldson and potentially Rogers.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I doubt Rogers leaves
he was on a team that never made a run deep in the PO, and the fans despised him… now he is on a team that has a serious legit chance to win a ring and the fans love him. I know its a business and money talks, but I doubt he would take a higher offer from another team where all that is suspect… all he wants is a fair contract and it can be lower than the highest and he stay 9 out of 10 times.
His pay cut vs his potential will be HUGE, extremely, HUGE..!!
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I think he gets 6 M per guaranteed with incentives up to 10 M
Easy incentives (starts, snaps) will take it up to 7 M then from there it will be (tackles and Ints up to 8M and pro bowls, ALL-PRO) that takes it up to 10M
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
And I'm ok with a 4 year with an option like that
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
With the 9ers, I think a team will offer that.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Didn't follow that one.
You mean you think a team will outbid that offer?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Im saying he will get the offer and we cant match it.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
numbers wise, the dolphins offered harbaugh something we couldnt match either. sometimes people bend for the right situation
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 9, 2012 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Ummm
I think you forgot about the franchise tag. Goldson is coming back or he is sitting out the year. Rogers might leave no way will they break the bank for a 31 year old corner. There is a pecking order I don’t think they will pay him more than Willis. A. Smith will be back at about 7-8 million not all guaranteed with some incentives. Spillman, Costsnzo, Morgan and Snyder will be back.
by IHavIssues on Feb 10, 2012 3:24 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
With new rookie wage scale
it is doable, I think Alex would take 6-7 if we could guarantee we get either Bowe or VJ, Morgan won’t cost much, but we DO want him back. Franchise Goldson, or give him a back loaded contract with a decent signing bonus upfront to make him happy.
Well , they did have some 12 Million left over from last years cap , would of been nice to have used that on some of the mentioned above ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Alex will probably take anything that is not insulting. He's proven he doesn't care about the money
Guy is smart with an economics degree. I have a feeling he invested quite well before the market collapse.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
He isnt worth more, as is.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
His age and likely price tag scare me.
Jim Harbaugh doesn't just WANT winners, he MAKES them!
Some would argue that the age is good experience...
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First I would need to know the cap space.
But Jackson is the only WR I would go for.
And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman
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by manraj7 on Feb 9, 2012 2:37 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Dang bro , I feel the chastisement that you affored me by not reading what i just posted , for the love of God young man ( Read ) ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
I did
I just missed the first line.
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by manraj7 on Feb 9, 2012 3:29 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
cap space
Sounds like the 49ers have about $30M in cap space.
by David Fucillo on Feb 9, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
After Alex,Goldson, and anyone else they want to keep, free agency is about out of the window.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
contracts...
Not necessarily. Depends on how they structure contracts in terms of signing bonuses, back-loading deals, etc…
by David Fucillo on Feb 9, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
You definitely have a point, Willis is 17.7 against the cap this year.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
he Rogers is going to get 10 mill a year too, he is good, maybe good enough for 10mill one year but not multiple(3 or more)
No I dont. He isnt worth that.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
I can see that
and over 3-4 years, but he wont see the life of the contract. They can draft someone to take over and if the Culliver develops.
by Chi-town Niners on Feb 9, 2012 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
csnbayareasports.com where tgey talk about the 30 mol in cap space. i read it cant post it here im on my phone.
Well I can but it takes too long.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
ahhh ok...
Curious if they restructure the deal.
by David Fucillo on Feb 9, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Ninercaphell has willis with much less money… http://www.ninercaphell.com/yearly/2012
Probably makes him cheaper down the road.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
If not, we can cut Willis
It’s not like he’s that good…
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by lottwasgangsta on Feb 9, 2012 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
Madden 12
i wonder how accurate the cap and players salaries are when you look up the 49ers in Madden. Some I check are pretty accurate to boot. Could be used as a liable source, no?
49ers 2012 Offseason: HELP WANTED at WR, DBs, & O-Line
No they are not
Go to Rotoworld instead
by IHavIssues on Feb 10, 2012 3:27 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Why pay top dollar for an aging WR not designed for our QB's skillset?
Makes no sense. Bid VJax up so the Rams over pay, sure but let’s not get stupid.
"QB's skillset"
In what ways is Jackson not built for Alex Smith’s skillset?
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How many times did Alex hit Vernon deep?
Alex hit Vernon deep literally at least 80% of the time. He hasn’t consistently hit any of our slower guys but he has the arm to go deep
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Ball delivery deep down the sidelines?
Smith had what, one or two of those all year?
by asmithisaverage on Feb 9, 2012 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
Stop the hating
He had a bunch to VD and Crabtree caught some too and dropped some more as well.
by IHavIssues on Feb 10, 2012 3:30 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
VD is not a WR
And AS missed a ton of sideline passes. Not hate, just objective facts. Keep Smith in his wheelhouse if you want success.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 10, 2012 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
haha yeah
All those high throws should be easier for a 6’5" receiver to haul in. Not so much with the ones in the dirt.
Call me cautiously optimistic....because I know what the Niners do to people who have real optimism (see the last 8 years).
by crumpedup15 on Feb 9, 2012 7:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Really setting ourselves up
for disappointment this offseason. I just don’t see how it can work out $-wise. I just read somewhere that he’s looking for 5 years at $50m.
We’ve got about $30m in capspace and have to sign Alex, Rogers, Goldson, Snyder, Ginn, Brooks, etc., etc.
I just don’t see us having $10m/year to sign him after re-signing our own free agents.
I'd be very surprised if you were wrong on this
It’s all pipe dreams anyway, but yeah, especially in a year when the FA WR pool is so deep. Meachem, Manningham, Garcon… those are very good wide receivers who will probably cost 20% of what VJax gets.
by Gob on Feb 9, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
That's a pretty hefty amount of change for a wide receiver...
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If he wants 5 years 50M guaranteed I guess its time we offer a 5 year 30M dollar contract to Courtland Finnegan
But I think with that being maxed out and difficult to achieve incentives I’m ok with that.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Derp - I was still thinking of Rogers from earlier in this thread
If VJax wants that much he’s way outside our range. And we start talking to Stevie Johnson about a 5 year 30 M dollar deal.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
I vote pass
On Stevie he drops too many balls. I like Laurent Robinson he just seems to find away to get open near the goal line. Maybe see if D. Jackson if he has a hard time getting a big contract we could get him on the cheap. No on Manningham got a Giant fan for a friend and he insist he is not that good and will be overpriced after the SB.
by IHavIssues on Feb 10, 2012 3:38 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I vote you should look up the facts
Stevie Johnson dropped 4 passes on 134 targets in 2011.
DeSean Jackson (9 drops on 104) and Laurent Robinson (5 drops on 80 targets).
Simple fact is Stevie Johnson had some of the best hands in 2011, despite what ESPN would lead you to believe.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 10, 2012 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
Flawless victory
FINISH HIM
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 10, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
Yes please!
V-Jax is super legit. He’s a very real playmaker who can catch anything near him. He’s pretty much my dream target for the Niners this offseason, and could really transform the offense.
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We have Baalke & Company in our corner. We can best believe that WHATEVER is best for the Niners, Trent B will get’er done. Look at his track record with a limited window and no real knowledge of how his team would look. And now…….
funny
we weren’t saying that last year when he was not doing anything early in free agency.
by Chi-town Niners on Feb 9, 2012 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
As a Niners fan who lived in SD and follows the Chargers a bit:
VJ is great in the air, and a good option to have, but he has some work ethic problems though (see long holdout lasting into 2010 season, but I assume Harbaugh can solve that), and on some blocking plays he will not go 100% especially if the team is down. He disappeared at times this year too (6 games with 1 or 2 catches, only 4 games >100 yds in 2011)
Also, his numbers are a wee bit inflated b/c of the Norv Turner offense and Phillip River just being Phillip Rivers in the previous years. The Chargers liked to use him on vertical seam routes in which Rivers (annoyingly) is sometimes instructed just to throw it up and trust his (many) tall receivers to catch the 50/50 ball, something that isn’t done often in the Harbaugh offense. That being said, it might be hard to translate his stats onto the NIners. He also wants years and relatively big money, although injuries, age, and lessened production the past 2 years probably will drive down his demands for “elite” receiver pay he was asking from the Chargers in 2010.
Just a playing devil’s advocate, but VJ would be welcome IMO for the right price. Please no 5 year, lucrative money contracts.
Is a "hold out" a work ethic problem?
Or is it a contract negotiation technique?
Harbaughcalypse Now
thise things scare me too
the holdout, and dogging it. Ahh, wish everyone could be like Patrick Willis!
by Chi-town Niners on Feb 9, 2012 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
Of all the free agent WRs...
I really think Marques Colston is the guy the Niners should be fighting to get. He bailed out Drew Brees many times with amazing acrobatic catches. Fights for the ball every time it’s in the air. A legit play-maker and the type of receiver that would fit in Harbaugh/Roman scheme.
And if someone could clarify this for me…I believe they also run a west coast offense in NO, so the scheme adjustment wouldn’t be quite as challenging for him.
Risky
I say this because Colston’s had surgery on BOTH of his knees. One of those surgeries was of the dreaded micro-fracture kind.
by TotallyBodaciousDude on Feb 9, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Zero on any guy that's had a microfracture knee surgery
guys that get stress fractures in their knees are going to continue to have them.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Marques Colston or V Jax
I will be happy with either. but will not get my hopes up because thats what i did last year, and well luckily everything turned out for the good.
49ers 2012 Offseason: HELP WANTED at WR, DBs, & O-Line
but what i meant to say
there were a lot of guys in the draft/ FA we wanted but we didnt get any of them from our wish list.
49ers 2012 Offseason: HELP WANTED at WR, DBs, & O-Line
Im a bit conceren about Jackson age....
Typically 30 is when WR’s and RB’s start to lose their legs and start to go down hill
thats why i think
no team is going to offer him the “God/Elite” Contract. If the Chargers weren’t willing to, then many other teams wont. But sucks, becaue SD really screwed him over. He could of gotten that big contract when he was 27, but Chargers weren’t dealing and just lagged for 3 years with tenders and tags.
49ers 2012 Offseason: HELP WANTED at WR, DBs, & O-Line
D Jackson or bust!
I mean come on… He is a NY Giants killer! secondly, that would allow us to dump Ginn too! Two birds one stone! You think with Jackson as a returner, we don’t get 5 yards better field position… Seeley is salivating thinking about Desean!
While I agree with the talent that DeSean Jackson could bring...
He simply does not fit the mentality and sense of humility that is characteristic of this San Francisco 49ers team. He is too cocky, too mouthy and too much of a liability both inside and outside of the locker room. I would argue that Ginn is just as talented with greater ball handling, bursts of and overall speed and will be less to pay for monetarily.
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What makes you think D-Jax would get us 5 more yards on returns than Ginn?
Ginn was third in the league in 2011 with 12.3 yards per punt return and Jackson had 6.7. Even in 2010 Ginn was better; Ginn had 13.4 while Desean had 11.6.
Colston isnt leaving
Brees will get resigned along with his #1. No way Colston leaves NO
They are hoping the resign Brees
so they dont have to franchise him….probably would want to franchise Nicks.
by Chi-town Niners on Feb 9, 2012 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
note to author:
Enclose means to close in on all sides, to encircle, to surround…
I think you meant “In closing.”
Harbaughcalypse Now
Bowe
Younger, more potential, lower price tag, not injury prown like the other two. I’m a fan of colston but he always comes up injured during the year. Vjax seemed somewhat lazy as a player and had lots of miscommunication w/ rivers that resulted in ints. Also WAY too expensive!
Niners cap is at about $86 million right now. SSpencer should get dropped, relieving another 3.3mil. That will disappear with rookie contracts plus some. We shouldn’t spend 100% of the cap space for emergency injury replacement situations…
That leaves just over 30mil which has already been stated.
asmith=8
rogers=8.5
snyder=2
goldson=4.5
ginn=1.5
morgan,costanzo,grant,spillman,tuku,brock=5
That takes up 29.5million of that cap space we have… Those are all reasonable prices. Notice that means we let brooks walk (he would be another 3.5mil minimum). Granted there are ways to limit the impact directly on the cap space by backloading and signing bonuses but remember we have a ton of FAs to sign back next year!!! We have to be sensible about all of this if we want to build a sustainable team.
Say we do want to spend all our money, 5mil would be the max offer we could present a FA such as Bowe… My guess is he will get around 6million per year. Cuts to other players may fill up that extra room but I don’t think it is worth the team chemistry.
Bowe will have near the same pricetag if not higher.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Bowe is asking for 5 years 45 million as a hometown discount
His belief on the open market is he’s a 10M dollar a year man
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
Goldson turned down more than that last year, via twitter.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Yup and this year somebody will look at the INT numbers and deem him worth significantly more. Franchise tag til we can find a FA or draft somebody to replace him
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Reggie Nelson, Griffin, and Tyvon Branch can all be better in our system.
Let Goldson walk please.
I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses
Goldson
Will be franchised at $6.2 million if we can’t sign him long term. He ain’t going anywhere.
by IHavIssues on Feb 10, 2012 3:59 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Thats too close...
if they are serious about a FA, they need to probably drop Morgan, and Grant will be gone. Seems too much for Alex and even Rogers. I would give Rogers the years and less per year, and have it more back loaded. Goldson, I have my doubts. He was about to leave and no takers last yr. This year, he may take an offer.
by Chi-town Niners on Feb 9, 2012 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
Age concern
despite his age, he really doesn’t have a lot of mileage on him and I think that’s what we should be looking at when talking about him losing his legs
Id rather not have him. Great downfield target, but what else does he do?
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If someone besides Morgan is signed, Burress would be my choice.
Much cheaper and he provides exactly what many people are saying this offense needs.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Feb 9, 2012 4:27 PM PST reply actions
Somebody to carry a gun to the club in Oakland?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
I'd rather have Bowe
Bowe has shown he can be a big time play maker. Yes, it was only one season, but he caught 15 TDs with Matt Cassel throwing to him; Vincent Jackson has had Phillip Rivers and has never managed double-digit TDs. What I’m saying is that I think Bowe’s ceiling is higher than Jackson’s. Sure, Bowe’s highest TD total other than his 15 is only 7, but remember who he has had as his QBs. The fact that he managed 81 Receptions, 1159 yards, and 5 TDs last season with no Cassel and no running game after Jamaal Charles went down says a lot to me. He would thrive with a solid running game that the 49ers have.
I’m not saying signing Jackson would be a bad idea, I just think Bowe is more explosive and has more potential. Besides, Jackson has a tendency to be a feast or famine receiver. He’ll have a 2 or 3 TD game with 130+ yards, and then follows that up with stretch of games where he basically disappears.
Bottom line is, Bowe has produced more with a much less explosive offense than Jackson has had. The year Bowe had a great running game with Charles and Jones, he went off. When his offense was terrible, he still managed respectable numbers. Plus, he is a year younger than Jackson, which isn’t of great importance, but one year is one year.
by Liquid Pantyhose on Feb 9, 2012 4:34 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
Bowe produces no matter who the QB is, kind of like Megatron.
by TotallyBodaciousDude on Feb 9, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
could not have said it better
I too am in the Bowe line for these exact reason. I think he can be had on a more reasonable contract and I think the 49ers look like a pretty good destination to go to for a premiere WR. Bowe knows we are a playoff caliber team for a few years, he would for SURE be the #1 WR, and I would imagine (I don’t know the guy) he would want out of KC after all their turnover last year.
I’m not saying I wouldn’t mind VJax, I just think Bowe will be the better signee. When I see Bowe play I think Larry Fitzgerald Lite.
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Why does nobody look and see what he's asking for? It's been posted probably 10 times by now
5 Years 45 million with a hometown discount for KC.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed 2
Even with a mediocre passing game, Bowe still was the go to guy and produced.
by Chi-town Niners on Feb 9, 2012 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
Give me Stevie, he consistently got open vs Revis and is very young.
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Yup. People focus too much on him not being some stick in the mud overly serious guy. Worry he's having too much fun to be focused on his game
Really? So the guy likes to mock people that deserve it. “Batman and Robin?” Really Chad/TO… That was pretty lame. They got the “Why So Serious”. Santonio Holmes stupid plane celebration… Plane crash was an awesome retort. And we all know Plax got what he had coming in the most awesome celebration dance since TO and the Sharpie.
The guy likes to have fun. Guys on the team like that so long as it doesn’t take focus off the game (running all the way to the star at the 50 yard line). SJ13 brings it every play. That’s all that matters to me. If he and the team wanna have fun while doing it, more power to them. It never hurts to have a little style. That gives a team confidence.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
We shouldnt get excited,niners wont add a wr via fa.
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they will, only not a big name
another Braylon-esque experiment with little risk in the hopes he blossoms.
Exactly, and no one looks like they will blossom.
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He really should be the target
we can afford him and he can work with not great QB play.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 10, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
Who is out there
in the mid tier/ value department?
by Chi-town Niners on Feb 9, 2012 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed with everyone on Bowe
His numbers with Cassel means he’s a legit option. I’m not thrilled with the big-name WR FA’s this year for various reasons:
Colston: good WR, knee surgeries already mentioned, price tag should be restrictive, wasn’t a burner before the surgeries, possible short shelf-life
VJax: older, played with a great offense with Rivers/Gates/etc. to draw attention, holdout affected his play
DeSean: simple point – never sign a head-case
Stevie Johnson: see above
Best WR options will be to have Crabtree develop and sign a mid-level WR FA, such as Manningham, Early Doucet, etc, unless a trade opens up an option like Maclin (someone I like a lot)
Forgot to add
Bowe’s price tag might be restrictive like Colston’s, thus the lower-level options or trade route.
What makes you think Stevie Johnson is a headcase? The fact he made fun of somebody that shot himself in the leg?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 11:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously...
He celebrates too much, so he must be nuts!!
Stevie is the guy i’m most interested in, FA-wise. He’s an SF guy who has been super productive w/ Fitz as his QB. He’s had to go up against Revis 2x a year and played well. He may be a little bit of a “ME, ME, ME” type player, but VD was that type of guy early in his career. Davis has since become the vocal leader of the team. Perhaps VD could help Stevie become a team first type of guy too!!!
by Mykamyke on Feb 10, 2012 1:19 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And to be fair
no one minds a WR with a little attitude as long as he produces.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 10, 2012 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
Robert Meachem
Tall and fast he brings explosive playmaking ability this team has lacked. He can stretch the field and has the short area quickness to be very good in this WCO scheme. Will come at much more cap friendly cost than the other bigger FA’s WR’s.
will be someone nobody saw coming
See last year
Call me cautiously optimistic....because I know what the Niners do to people who have real optimism (see the last 8 years).
by crumpedup15 on Feb 9, 2012 7:44 PM PST via mobile reply actions
last year
It’s kind of difficult to compare to last year. After all, the lockout sort of put things in a different perspective for the team. With limited time to prepare, not surprising they didn’t want to commit to too many long term deals with the coaching staff not knowing enough about the team.
They could use a similar strategy, but honestly, it’s difficult to figure out at this point.
by David Fucillo on Feb 9, 2012 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
Ball Park
When are we going to start getting an idea of what the 49ers might really do? Do you think talks and rumors will heat up before the march signing period? There’s also our own FA’s who are sure to be signed first
by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 9, 2012 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
moves
They played things close to the vest incredibly well last year. After all the rumors about Nnamdi, it sounds like they never really got all that involved. There will be plenty of rumors before March 13, but this front office plugs up leaks a lot better than past versions.
by David Fucillo on Feb 9, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I'd be a big fan of landing Jackson.
But that depends on what he demands with $$$. If it gets out of hand, take your chances elsewhere (he isn’t the only free agent, and the draft is around the corner too).
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I'd rather have Colston than Vincent Jackson,
but either would be nice. I also wouldn’t mind seeing D. Jackson or S. Johnson in a Niners uniform.
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by Lloyd Christmas on Feb 9, 2012 11:08 PM PST reply actions
I like S. Johnson in free agency
then we can take a CB, G, S in the first. In the 2nd or 3rd round of this year draft, we can go after a big WR like Criner, Stephan Hill, Brian Quick, etc.

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