Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: NFL Players Ready To Welcome Gay Teammate

2012 Free Agency: 49ers Should Pounce on WR Vincent Jackson

The rumor mill is reporting via Jason LaCanfora that the San Diego Chargers will not franchise tag wide receiver Vincent Jackson, and he will likely test the market. LaCanfora went on further to confirm the St. Louis Rams and San Francisco 49ers as the strongest candidates out of all the potential suitors out there. From where I'm sitting, it seems like this is just the man the 49ers are looking for and I'll tell you why.

Let's start with the numbers:

Jackson is 6'5, 230-pounds at age 29. In 2008, 2009 and 2011 when Jackson started at least 15 games, he has produced 1,000+ yard seasons and accumulated 25 touchdowns (7, 9 and 9). Jackson has a career percentage of 17.5 yards per catch, and 18.4 last season. He is a scoring threat from anywhere on the field; he had a long of 58-yards this past season. And at 6'5, he will improve the 49ers 3rd down and red zone issues almost immediately.

Star-divide

The 49ers would basically be adding a Vernon Davis at the wide receiver position and with the creativity from the coaching staff, I'm chomping at the bit thinking of the possibilities with those two on the field at the same time. Furthermore, Vincent Jackson would be the perfect complement to Michael Crabtree, and Crabtree would surely flourish with Jackson's presence.

Jackson is also a veteran who has conducted himself fairly well over the years, and it wouldn't take much for him to fit in the corps of guys already in the 49ers' locker room. I also like what this does for our defense and especially our cornerbacks. Practicing against a big physical, multi-dimensional offensive attack with versatility as well will surely improve the defensive unit (hard to believe, I know).

I think the pitch to Alex Smith is going to be, "Hey, we want you back but to put you over the top, we're going to need to spend a little in free agency to get you a big time target at the wide receiver position." This being a team atmosphere, I don't think Smith would strongly oppose it and would still receive a fair offer. But that's just my opinion.

And even more so, San Francisco wouldn't be focused on the wide receiver position early in the draft; they could look at a guard, cornerback, tailback or rush linebacker. I think the Niners would be pressed to shore up the offensive line if Adam Snyder leaves. The 49ers are also probably going to draft a running back seeing as how coach Harbaugh doesn't have a whole lot invested in Anthony Dixon. I saw LaMichael James projected to the 49ers in the second round even. But those are nothing more than thoughts and options at this point. Bottom line, if the 49ers acquired Jackson, they would have a lot more flexibility in the draft and wouldn't be under the gun. If Trent Baalke had some breathing room, I believe he could do some serious damage like he proved last year.

Enclosing In closing, we know Jackson wants to stay in California, we know he wants to win right now (age 29), we know he wants to be the guy and we know he wants to get paid. I know the 49ers can provide the first three things, whether or not they bend on the fourth is up in the air. We'll see but it couldn't hurt for fans to start campaigning for him on Twitter. If you have an account, get in his head, let him know the fans are behind him and his services are needed.

#VJtotheBay

Follow me on Twitter: @DeSimone80

Comment 163 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Yes

He’s the type of receiver that can make Alex Smith better because he can go up and make some spectacular catches

by 49erEmpire on Feb 9, 2012 1:36 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Does he live here currently?

“Enclosing, we know Jackson wants to stay in the Bay Area…”

by Gob on Feb 9, 2012 1:37 PM PST reply actions  

Yea

I Don’t think he ever lived in the bay area

by 49erEmpire on Feb 9, 2012 1:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

He wants big money

Are we gonna pay though?

If the 49ers success offends you, so be it." Jim Harbaugh quote... Love It!

by chriscream on Feb 9, 2012 1:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

THIS is what concerns me ... I would LOVE to have Jackson, but of the big-name free agent WRs, he will be the most expensive!

How much of a step down would it be to sign Dwayne Bowe from Kansas City? Perhaps less performance, but FAR LESS MONEY! Therefore allowing us to sign more of our own free agents, plus the money needed for draft choices.

by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 9, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

It will be the same

Bowe offered his discounted rate to KC at 9 Million per

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Baalke

I have a feeling they are going to sit ack and wait until the big money is spent and then go after the second tier players….maybe Manningham (not my first choice)

by Chi-town Niners on Feb 9, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Sweetness.

The thought of having a receiver like Vincent Jackson makes me giggle with excitement. Just think: line up with our three tight end offensive formation with Jackson as the sole wide out. Send Davis and Jackson on seams and let the safety make the decision on who to cover. Doesn’t that just sound delightful?

Let's giggity giggity Go 49ers!!! ::: whywontgodhealamputees.com

by Kittles on Feb 9, 2012 1:47 PM PST reply actions  

Giggity goo.

Let's giggity giggity Go 49ers!!! ::: whywontgodhealamputees.com

by Kittles on Feb 9, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

He'd be a nice addition, but it's gonna come down to year & $...playing w/ Alex might not be too appealing to him either.

Maybe we open up the offense a tad bit more next year and maybe Alex works on throwing receivers open…who knows

by Coretete on Feb 9, 2012 1:52 PM PST reply actions  

Without a doubt

I’d look to grab Bowe first, but Jackson would be great. They’ve got so much talent on this team with just a few missing pieces; it’s time to capitalize on that talent, because windows can close fast.

by TheFreakSFG on Feb 9, 2012 1:54 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Well said/put.

Let's giggity giggity Go 49ers!!! ::: whywontgodhealamputees.com

by Kittles on Feb 9, 2012 1:55 PM PST reply actions  

Generally wary of big free Agents signings.

especially since the winner is the team that overpays the most!

Justin Smith worked out though.

by brundylop on Feb 9, 2012 1:56 PM PST reply actions  

Bowe or Jackson. . . . .

We would be in fantastic shape with either, however, if I had my Druthers, I would druther have Jackson (mainly cause I have seen more of him for myself). Another thing, Jackson (and the world for that matter) saw what went on in San Fran – compared to the current Charger environment. And, you would have a guy being sought after who was recently shunned by his old team. Twitter away Gang, Puhleeese!

Here’s a real scary thought. Team V Jack up with V Davis, Walker and the Stanford TE and what do you have. A D-Coord’s nightmare – that’s what!

by ninernutt on Feb 9, 2012 2:15 PM PST reply actions  

He would change is name...

to Victor Fleener, so we they can call out the formation for “Flying V…”

by SH0ck-D on Feb 9, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

exact thought....

Gore + Hunter + Draft pick up RB/ Vernon Davis + Coby Fleener + Vincent Jackson + Crabtree/Morgan = KILL MODE

49ers 2012 Offseason: HELP WANTED at WR, DBs, & O-Line

by Giants49war on Feb 9, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Coby Fleener is a high 4.7s guy that only weighs 245. He's not some dude that's going to come in and dominate the NFL at 6'5 1/2"

Gronk was 6’6.2" 260 coming into the league (he’s more like 275 now) and runs a 4.68. Jimmy Graham is 6’6.2" 260 and ran a 4.53 and jumped 38 1/2"

They are superior athletes to Fleener. Significantly superior. Lets not fall all over ourselves to overdraft Fleener.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Or any other Stanford player.

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

DeCastro is actually worth it IMO

But unless we use our 1 and 2 (too high a price IMO) he won’t be there when we pick.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Clearly you guys just pontificate without doing any significant homework.

Do you even know that most scouting services grade Fleener superior to ALL WRs except Blackmon, Floyd and Wright, none of whom we would have any shot at?

by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 9, 2012 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Same scouting services rated Crabtree yhe best player in the draft and Ryan Leaf a franchise QB.

Sooooooo, they don’t know everything, and are often wrong.

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup if he's still there at 49 maybe he's worth our and 2nd and 3rd...

Then again Gronk was only worth the 42nd and Hernandez worth a 110+ And Jimmy Graham was only worth a 95. So 49 might be a little early for talent as lacking as Fleener

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Fleener is much, much faster than that

He has always been the fastest player at any position at Stanford. This year he was third fastest to some 4.4 guys. He’s very fast and very, very athletic. He has great hops as well as an ex-BB player. But wait until the combines and pro-days. The scouting guys have no idea and they just guess at this speed. Bad guesses.

by petillius7 on Feb 9, 2012 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Ugggghhhh, No, he’s 29, there are younger and cheaper free agents. Bowe>Jackson, as well. 6’ 5" and 9 Tds is his max? With Rivers? In this offense those numbers shrink, and he isn’t gonna open up anything. He had Gates and that offense looked like crap all season.

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 2:16 PM PST reply actions  

Good points re:

having Gates and Rivers there, and not a bad run game either

by Gob on Feb 9, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Rivers also played like crap for 2/3rds of the season. He was the main reason they didnt make the playoffs

Just that little caveat but I’m with you on wanting SJ13 over either of them. Having a guy with SJ’s sense of humor who still has a tremendous competitive drive never hurts in the locker room either. “WHY SO SERIOUS”

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

And I must say - I was somebody who completely didn't get his twitter rant about god after he dropped the TD

Now I get that he was completely tongue in cheek and commenting socially about everybody that thanks God constantly for what they’ve accomplished through their own hard work. Very clever.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

He's Not Gonna Get A Lot Of Passes, so......

Give him the dolllars! 49ers NEED this guy.

Agent Dunham....Walternate testified that in his universe, AleX Smith is a pro-bowl QB for the Saints, and broke Trent Dilfer's season record of 6000 yards passing. Walter....Thats nice, more LSD please.

by scrappydog on Feb 9, 2012 2:17 PM PST reply actions  

Well , the Niners have what 30 Million or so to spend , Franchise Goldson ( 6.2 ) Alex ( 7.5 ) ...

… the following I’d like to see back … Joshua Morgan, Adam Snyder, C.J. Spillman, Blake Costanzo … plus Rookie salaries , leaves about 11 million …. Rogers or Brooks would take most of that up , so whats left at the most 4 million , thinkin" that won’t be enough for V-Jax …!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Feb 9, 2012 2:24 PM PST reply actions  

Lol, I didnt want to take the time.

Salivating over FAs, means our players leave. This is why Baalke will build through the draft. I can see, Brooks leaving along with Goldson and potentially Rogers.

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I doubt Rogers leaves

he was on a team that never made a run deep in the PO, and the fans despised him… now he is on a team that has a serious legit chance to win a ring and the fans love him. I know its a business and money talks, but I doubt he would take a higher offer from another team where all that is suspect… all he wants is a fair contract and it can be lower than the highest and he stay 9 out of 10 times.

by danknerd49 on Feb 9, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

His pay cut vs his potential will be HUGE, extremely, HUGE..!!

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

i think we probably have different intepretations of huge, he won’t get a 7yr/100m contract

by danknerd49 on Feb 9, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

He will get 8-10 per

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he gets 6 M per guaranteed with incentives up to 10 M

Easy incentives (starts, snaps) will take it up to 7 M then from there it will be (tackles and Ints up to 8M and pro bowls, ALL-PRO) that takes it up to 10M

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

With the 9ers, I think a team will offer that.

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't follow that one.

You mean you think a team will outbid that offer?

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Im saying he will get the offer and we cant match it.

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

numbers wise, the dolphins offered harbaugh something we couldnt match either. sometimes people bend for the right situation

by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 9, 2012 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Right, it is very possible, not as much with Goldson though.

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 10, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Ummm

I think you forgot about the franchise tag. Goldson is coming back or he is sitting out the year. Rogers might leave no way will they break the bank for a 31 year old corner. There is a pecking order I don’t think they will pay him more than Willis. A. Smith will be back at about 7-8 million not all guaranteed with some incentives. Spillman, Costsnzo, Morgan and Snyder will be back.

by IHavIssues on Feb 10, 2012 3:24 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

With new rookie wage scale

it is doable, I think Alex would take 6-7 if we could guarantee we get either Bowe or VJ, Morgan won’t cost much, but we DO want him back. Franchise Goldson, or give him a back loaded contract with a decent signing bonus upfront to make him happy.

by danknerd49 on Feb 9, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Well , they did have some 12 Million left over from last years cap , would of been nice to have used that on some of the mentioned above ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Feb 9, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

He isnt worth more, as is.

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

His age and likely price tag scare me.

Jim Harbaugh doesn't just WANT winners, he MAKES them!

by Adusoron on Feb 9, 2012 2:32 PM PST reply actions  

Some would argue that the age is good experience...

Let's giggity giggity Go 49ers!!! ::: whywontgodhealamputees.com

by Kittles on Feb 9, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

And that someone is Brian Sabean

Ultra-projectable
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.

by fjm on Feb 9, 2012 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

First I would need to know the cap space.

But Jackson is the only WR I would go for.

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Feb 9, 2012 2:37 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Dang bro , I feel the chastisement that you affored me by not reading what i just posted , for the love of God young man ( Read ) ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Feb 9, 2012 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I did

I just missed the first line.

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Feb 9, 2012 3:29 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

cap space

Sounds like the 49ers have about $30M in cap space.

by David Fucillo on Feb 9, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

contracts...

Not necessarily. Depends on how they structure contracts in terms of signing bonuses, back-loading deals, etc…

by David Fucillo on Feb 9, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

You definitely have a point, Willis is 17.7 against the cap this year.

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

he Rogers is going to get 10 mill a year too, he is good, maybe good enough for 10mill one year but not multiple(3 or more)

by danknerd49 on Feb 9, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I can see that

and over 3-4 years, but he wont see the life of the contract. They can draft someone to take over and if the Culliver develops.

by Chi-town Niners on Feb 9, 2012 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

csnbayareasports.com where tgey talk about the 30 mol in cap space. i read it cant post it here im on my phone.

Well I can but it takes too long.

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Ninercaphell has willis with much less money… http://www.ninercaphell.com/yearly/2012

by Aleman12 on Feb 9, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably makes him cheaper down the road.

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

If not, we can cut Willis

It’s not like he’s that good…

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Feb 9, 2012 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Madden 12

i wonder how accurate the cap and players salaries are when you look up the 49ers in Madden. Some I check are pretty accurate to boot. Could be used as a liable source, no?

49ers 2012 Offseason: HELP WANTED at WR, DBs, & O-Line

by Giants49war on Feb 9, 2012 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

No they are not

Go to Rotoworld instead

by IHavIssues on Feb 10, 2012 3:27 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

ahhh thanks

49ers 2012 Offseason: HELP WANTED at WR, DBs, & O-Line

by Giants49war on Feb 10, 2012 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Why pay top dollar for an aging WR not designed for our QB's skillset?

Makes no sense. Bid VJax up so the Rams over pay, sure but let’s not get stupid.

by asmithisaverage on Feb 9, 2012 2:37 PM PST reply actions  

"QB's skillset"

In what ways is Jackson not built for Alex Smith’s skillset?

Let's giggity giggity Go 49ers!!! ::: whywontgodhealamputees.com

by Kittles on Feb 9, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Has to hit him outside 40 yards deep.

by bignerd on Feb 9, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

How many times did Alex hit Vernon deep?

Alex hit Vernon deep literally at least 80% of the time. He hasn’t consistently hit any of our slower guys but he has the arm to go deep

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Stop the hating

He had a bunch to VD and Crabtree caught some too and dropped some more as well.

by IHavIssues on Feb 10, 2012 3:30 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

VD is not a WR

And AS missed a ton of sideline passes. Not hate, just objective facts. Keep Smith in his wheelhouse if you want success.

by asmithisaverage on Feb 10, 2012 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

haha yeah

All those high throws should be easier for a 6’5" receiver to haul in. Not so much with the ones in the dirt.

Call me cautiously optimistic....because I know what the Niners do to people who have real optimism (see the last 8 years).

by crumpedup15 on Feb 9, 2012 7:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Not if he aims high

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Really setting ourselves up

for disappointment this offseason. I just don’t see how it can work out $-wise. I just read somewhere that he’s looking for 5 years at $50m.

We’ve got about $30m in capspace and have to sign Alex, Rogers, Goldson, Snyder, Ginn, Brooks, etc., etc.

I just don’t see us having $10m/year to sign him after re-signing our own free agents.

by TTown Kings on Feb 9, 2012 2:44 PM PST reply actions  

I'd be very surprised if you were wrong on this

It’s all pipe dreams anyway, but yeah, especially in a year when the FA WR pool is so deep. Meachem, Manningham, Garcon… those are very good wide receivers who will probably cost 20% of what VJax gets.

by Gob on Feb 9, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Trust me.

He ain’t worth it!

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a pretty hefty amount of change for a wide receiver...

Let's giggity giggity Go 49ers!!! ::: whywontgodhealamputees.com

by Kittles on Feb 9, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

If he wants 5 years 50M guaranteed I guess its time we offer a 5 year 30M dollar contract to Courtland Finnegan

But I think with that being maxed out and difficult to achieve incentives I’m ok with that.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Derp - I was still thinking of Rogers from earlier in this thread

If VJax wants that much he’s way outside our range. And we start talking to Stevie Johnson about a 5 year 30 M dollar deal.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I vote pass

On Stevie he drops too many balls. I like Laurent Robinson he just seems to find away to get open near the goal line. Maybe see if D. Jackson if he has a hard time getting a big contract we could get him on the cheap. No on Manningham got a Giant fan for a friend and he insist he is not that good and will be overpriced after the SB.

by IHavIssues on Feb 10, 2012 3:38 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I vote you should look up the facts

Stevie Johnson dropped 4 passes on 134 targets in 2011.

DeSean Jackson (9 drops on 104) and Laurent Robinson (5 drops on 80 targets).

Simple fact is Stevie Johnson had some of the best hands in 2011, despite what ESPN would lead you to believe.

by asmithisaverage on Feb 10, 2012 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes please!

V-Jax is super legit. He’s a very real playmaker who can catch anything near him. He’s pretty much my dream target for the Niners this offseason, and could really transform the offense.

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
Member of FearTheFin's Mod Squad and The Knights Who Say NI-emi...
Tweet Tweet.

by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 9, 2012 2:58 PM PST reply actions  

And the best thing is.....

We have Baalke & Company in our corner. We can best believe that WHATEVER is best for the Niners, Trent B will get’er done. Look at his track record with a limited window and no real knowledge of how his team would look. And now…….

by ninernutt on Feb 9, 2012 3:01 PM PST reply actions  

funny

we weren’t saying that last year when he was not doing anything early in free agency.

by Chi-town Niners on Feb 9, 2012 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

As a Niners fan who lived in SD and follows the Chargers a bit:

VJ is great in the air, and a good option to have, but he has some work ethic problems though (see long holdout lasting into 2010 season, but I assume Harbaugh can solve that), and on some blocking plays he will not go 100% especially if the team is down. He disappeared at times this year too (6 games with 1 or 2 catches, only 4 games >100 yds in 2011)

Also, his numbers are a wee bit inflated b/c of the Norv Turner offense and Phillip River just being Phillip Rivers in the previous years. The Chargers liked to use him on vertical seam routes in which Rivers (annoyingly) is sometimes instructed just to throw it up and trust his (many) tall receivers to catch the 50/50 ball, something that isn’t done often in the Harbaugh offense. That being said, it might be hard to translate his stats onto the NIners. He also wants years and relatively big money, although injuries, age, and lessened production the past 2 years probably will drive down his demands for “elite” receiver pay he was asking from the Chargers in 2010.

Just a playing devil’s advocate, but VJ would be welcome IMO for the right price. Please no 5 year, lucrative money contracts.

by stevvy89 on Feb 9, 2012 3:14 PM PST reply actions  

Is a "hold out" a work ethic problem?

Or is it a contract negotiation technique?

Harbaughcalypse Now

by dutra on Feb 9, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

thise things scare me too

the holdout, and dogging it. Ahh, wish everyone could be like Patrick Willis!

by Chi-town Niners on Feb 9, 2012 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Of all the free agent WRs...

I really think Marques Colston is the guy the Niners should be fighting to get. He bailed out Drew Brees many times with amazing acrobatic catches. Fights for the ball every time it’s in the air. A legit play-maker and the type of receiver that would fit in Harbaugh/Roman scheme.

And if someone could clarify this for me…I believe they also run a west coast offense in NO, so the scheme adjustment wouldn’t be quite as challenging for him.

by sik49er on Feb 9, 2012 3:14 PM PST reply actions  

Risky

I say this because Colston’s had surgery on BOTH of his knees. One of those surgeries was of the dreaded micro-fracture kind.

by TotallyBodaciousDude on Feb 9, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Zero on any guy that's had a microfracture knee surgery

guys that get stress fractures in their knees are going to continue to have them.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Marques Colston or V Jax

I will be happy with either. but will not get my hopes up because thats what i did last year, and well luckily everything turned out for the good.

49ers 2012 Offseason: HELP WANTED at WR, DBs, & O-Line

by Giants49war on Feb 9, 2012 3:35 PM PST reply actions  

but what i meant to say

there were a lot of guys in the draft/ FA we wanted but we didnt get any of them from our wish list.

49ers 2012 Offseason: HELP WANTED at WR, DBs, & O-Line

by Giants49war on Feb 9, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Im a bit conceren about Jackson age....

Typically 30 is when WR’s and RB’s start to lose their legs and start to go down hill

by BigMar on Feb 9, 2012 3:35 PM PST reply actions  

thats why i think

no team is going to offer him the “God/Elite” Contract. If the Chargers weren’t willing to, then many other teams wont. But sucks, becaue SD really screwed him over. He could of gotten that big contract when he was 27, but Chargers weren’t dealing and just lagged for 3 years with tenders and tags.

49ers 2012 Offseason: HELP WANTED at WR, DBs, & O-Line

by Giants49war on Feb 9, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

D Jackson or bust!

I mean come on… He is a NY Giants killer! secondly, that would allow us to dump Ginn too! Two birds one stone! You think with Jackson as a returner, we don’t get 5 yards better field position… Seeley is salivating thinking about Desean!

by SH0ck-D on Feb 9, 2012 3:39 PM PST reply actions  

While I agree with the talent that DeSean Jackson could bring...

He simply does not fit the mentality and sense of humility that is characteristic of this San Francisco 49ers team. He is too cocky, too mouthy and too much of a liability both inside and outside of the locker room. I would argue that Ginn is just as talented with greater ball handling, bursts of and overall speed and will be less to pay for monetarily.

Let's giggity giggity Go 49ers!!! ::: whywontgodhealamputees.com

by Kittles on Feb 9, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

What makes you think D-Jax would get us 5 more yards on returns than Ginn?

Ginn was third in the league in 2011 with 12.3 yards per punt return and Jackson had 6.7. Even in 2010 Ginn was better; Ginn had 13.4 while Desean had 11.6.

by mikeinsp on Feb 9, 2012 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Colston isnt leaving

Brees will get resigned along with his #1. No way Colston leaves NO

by Champion49 on Feb 9, 2012 3:42 PM PST reply actions  

They are hoping the resign Brees

so they dont have to franchise him….probably would want to franchise Nicks.

by Chi-town Niners on Feb 9, 2012 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

note to author:

Enclose means to close in on all sides, to encircle, to surround…

I think you meant “In closing.”

Harbaughcalypse Now

by dutra on Feb 9, 2012 3:45 PM PST reply actions  

Bowe

Younger, more potential, lower price tag, not injury prown like the other two. I’m a fan of colston but he always comes up injured during the year. Vjax seemed somewhat lazy as a player and had lots of miscommunication w/ rivers that resulted in ints. Also WAY too expensive!

Niners cap is at about $86 million right now. SSpencer should get dropped, relieving another 3.3mil. That will disappear with rookie contracts plus some. We shouldn’t spend 100% of the cap space for emergency injury replacement situations…

That leaves just over 30mil which has already been stated.
asmith=8
rogers=8.5
snyder=2
goldson=4.5
ginn=1.5
morgan,costanzo,grant,spillman,tuku,brock=5

That takes up 29.5million of that cap space we have… Those are all reasonable prices. Notice that means we let brooks walk (he would be another 3.5mil minimum). Granted there are ways to limit the impact directly on the cap space by backloading and signing bonuses but remember we have a ton of FAs to sign back next year!!! We have to be sensible about all of this if we want to build a sustainable team.

Say we do want to spend all our money, 5mil would be the max offer we could present a FA such as Bowe… My guess is he will get around 6million per year. Cuts to other players may fill up that extra room but I don’t think it is worth the team chemistry.

by mazonmafia on Feb 9, 2012 3:58 PM PST reply actions  

Goldson might be had for cheaper considering his age… Also morgan (although i want to keep him) becomes expendable if we sign a bowe/vjax

by mazonmafia on Feb 9, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Bowe is asking for 5 years 45 million as a hometown discount

His belief on the open market is he’s a 10M dollar a year man

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

LMAO

no way he gets 10M/yr

by danknerd49 on Feb 9, 2012 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Goldson turned down more than that last year, via twitter.

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Reggie Nelson, Griffin, and Tyvon Branch can all be better in our system.

Let Goldson walk please.

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Goldson

Will be franchised at $6.2 million if we can’t sign him long term. He ain’t going anywhere.

by IHavIssues on Feb 10, 2012 3:59 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Thats too close...

if they are serious about a FA, they need to probably drop Morgan, and Grant will be gone. Seems too much for Alex and even Rogers. I would give Rogers the years and less per year, and have it more back loaded. Goldson, I have my doubts. He was about to leave and no takers last yr. This year, he may take an offer.

by Chi-town Niners on Feb 9, 2012 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Age concern

despite his age, he really doesn’t have a lot of mileage on him and I think that’s what we should be looking at when talking about him losing his legs

by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 9, 2012 4:08 PM PST reply actions  

Id rather not have him. Great downfield target, but what else does he do?

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather have Bowe

Bowe has shown he can be a big time play maker. Yes, it was only one season, but he caught 15 TDs with Matt Cassel throwing to him; Vincent Jackson has had Phillip Rivers and has never managed double-digit TDs. What I’m saying is that I think Bowe’s ceiling is higher than Jackson’s. Sure, Bowe’s highest TD total other than his 15 is only 7, but remember who he has had as his QBs. The fact that he managed 81 Receptions, 1159 yards, and 5 TDs last season with no Cassel and no running game after Jamaal Charles went down says a lot to me. He would thrive with a solid running game that the 49ers have.

I’m not saying signing Jackson would be a bad idea, I just think Bowe is more explosive and has more potential. Besides, Jackson has a tendency to be a feast or famine receiver. He’ll have a 2 or 3 TD game with 130+ yards, and then follows that up with stretch of games where he basically disappears.

Bottom line is, Bowe has produced more with a much less explosive offense than Jackson has had. The year Bowe had a great running game with Charles and Jones, he went off. When his offense was terrible, he still managed respectable numbers. Plus, he is a year younger than Jackson, which isn’t of great importance, but one year is one year.

by Liquid Pantyhose on Feb 9, 2012 4:34 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

Bowe produces no matter who the QB is, kind of like Megatron.

by TotallyBodaciousDude on Feb 9, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

could not have said it better

I too am in the Bowe line for these exact reason. I think he can be had on a more reasonable contract and I think the 49ers look like a pretty good destination to go to for a premiere WR. Bowe knows we are a playoff caliber team for a few years, he would for SURE be the #1 WR, and I would imagine (I don’t know the guy) he would want out of KC after all their turnover last year.

I’m not saying I wouldn’t mind VJax, I just think Bowe will be the better signee. When I see Bowe play I think Larry Fitzgerald Lite.

Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved solar powered broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.

by Giant Voodoo on Feb 9, 2012 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed 2

Even with a mediocre passing game, Bowe still was the go to guy and produced.

by Chi-town Niners on Feb 9, 2012 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Give me Stevie, he consistently got open vs Revis and is very young.

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 5:01 PM PST reply actions  

Yup. People focus too much on him not being some stick in the mud overly serious guy. Worry he's having too much fun to be focused on his game

Really? So the guy likes to mock people that deserve it. “Batman and Robin?” Really Chad/TO… That was pretty lame. They got the “Why So Serious”. Santonio Holmes stupid plane celebration… Plane crash was an awesome retort. And we all know Plax got what he had coming in the most awesome celebration dance since TO and the Sharpie.

The guy likes to have fun. Guys on the team like that so long as it doesn’t take focus off the game (running all the way to the star at the 50 yard line). SJ13 brings it every play. That’s all that matters to me. If he and the team wanna have fun while doing it, more power to them. It never hurts to have a little style. That gives a team confidence.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

We shouldnt get excited,niners wont add a wr via fa.

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

they will, only not a big name

another Braylon-esque experiment with little risk in the hopes he blossoms.

by mcwagner on Feb 9, 2012 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly, and no one looks like they will blossom.

I am not an Alex hater, I'm an Alex apologist hater. Now you know. -Mr Moses

by rlott#42 on Feb 9, 2012 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Who is out there

in the mid tier/ value department?

by Chi-town Niners on Feb 9, 2012 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed with everyone on Bowe

His numbers with Cassel means he’s a legit option. I’m not thrilled with the big-name WR FA’s this year for various reasons:

Colston: good WR, knee surgeries already mentioned, price tag should be restrictive, wasn’t a burner before the surgeries, possible short shelf-life

VJax: older, played with a great offense with Rivers/Gates/etc. to draw attention, holdout affected his play

DeSean: simple point – never sign a head-case

Stevie Johnson: see above

Best WR options will be to have Crabtree develop and sign a mid-level WR FA, such as Manningham, Early Doucet, etc, unless a trade opens up an option like Maclin (someone I like a lot)

by djproch on Feb 9, 2012 6:08 PM PST reply actions  

Forgot to add

Bowe’s price tag might be restrictive like Colston’s, thus the lower-level options or trade route.

by djproch on Feb 9, 2012 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously...

He celebrates too much, so he must be nuts!!
Stevie is the guy i’m most interested in, FA-wise. He’s an SF guy who has been super productive w/ Fitz as his QB. He’s had to go up against Revis 2x a year and played well. He may be a little bit of a “ME, ME, ME” type player, but VD was that type of guy early in his career. Davis has since become the vocal leader of the team. Perhaps VD could help Stevie become a team first type of guy too!!!

by Mykamyke on Feb 10, 2012 1:19 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Robert Meachem

Tall and fast he brings explosive playmaking ability this team has lacked. He can stretch the field and has the short area quickness to be very good in this WCO scheme. Will come at much more cap friendly cost than the other bigger FA’s WR’s.

by Iamczar on Feb 9, 2012 6:28 PM PST reply actions  

will be someone nobody saw coming

See last year

Call me cautiously optimistic....because I know what the Niners do to people who have real optimism (see the last 8 years).

by crumpedup15 on Feb 9, 2012 7:44 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

last year

It’s kind of difficult to compare to last year. After all, the lockout sort of put things in a different perspective for the team. With limited time to prepare, not surprising they didn’t want to commit to too many long term deals with the coaching staff not knowing enough about the team.

They could use a similar strategy, but honestly, it’s difficult to figure out at this point.

by David Fucillo on Feb 9, 2012 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Ball Park

When are we going to start getting an idea of what the 49ers might really do? Do you think talks and rumors will heat up before the march signing period? There’s also our own FA’s who are sure to be signed first

by Dylan DeSimone on Feb 9, 2012 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

moves

They played things close to the vest incredibly well last year. After all the rumors about Nnamdi, it sounds like they never really got all that involved. There will be plenty of rumors before March 13, but this front office plugs up leaks a lot better than past versions.

by David Fucillo on Feb 9, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd be a big fan of landing Jackson.

But that depends on what he demands with $$$. If it gets out of hand, take your chances elsewhere (he isn’t the only free agent, and the draft is around the corner too).

Alex Smith went from "We Want Carr!" to "The Run" and "The Catch 3."
SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS: WORLD CHAMPIONS!
Jim Harbaugh and Alex Smith are our future!
Giants Baseball: Torture. It hurts so good.

by Effage on Feb 9, 2012 8:54 PM PST reply actions  

Used to watch Vincent Jackson tear it up for the Northern Colorado Bears against my UC Davis Aggies while I was in school. You could tell, even on those raggedy D2 college football fields, that the guy was a beast.

by madmonkeyfist on Feb 9, 2012 9:09 PM PST reply actions  

I'd rather have Colston than Vincent Jackson,

but either would be nice. I also wouldn’t mind seeing D. Jackson or S. Johnson in a Niners uniform.

"Man you are one pathetic loser. No offense." - Lloyd Christmas

"To every complex problem, there is an answer that is simple, easy to understand and wrong." – H. L. Mencken

by Lloyd Christmas on Feb 9, 2012 11:08 PM PST reply actions  

I like S. Johnson in free agency

then we can take a CB, G, S in the first. In the 2nd or 3rd round of this year draft, we can go after a big WR like Criner, Stephan Hill, Brian Quick, etc.

by Mykamyke on Feb 10, 2012 1:28 AM PST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Media Requests please email ninersnation@gmail.com

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
Site Decorum: Remember, We Are ALL 49er Fans

Recent FanPosts

Small
Concussions...
Small
Is Harbaugh lying or does he mean what he says?
872_small
Where have you seen 49er players?
Download2_small
Can the 49'ers Maintain their Turnover Differential in 2012?
Sfak_small
Why are you a 49er fan?
6a00e5500c77218833011168f234b4970c_small
FOX: "How To Save The Sport"
Small
Old Spice Patrick Willis Football ProCamp
Dave_small
Call For Moderators
Steve_young_small
Game Day Food

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Head Ball Coach

Dave_small David Fucillo

Howtheyscoredcat_small howtheyscored

313483_2054510893373_1562580382_31984672_1965025_n_small James Brady

Coordinator

Pirates_small smileyman

Bowman_avi_sm_small Tre9er

Assistant Coach

Pixies_logo_small (Florida) Danny Tuccitto

Memento-lies_small urnext

Me_on_beach_small WesHanson

Dylan_cannes_small Dylan DeSimone

Officiating Crew

Jackalope_card_small wjackalope

These3words_small these3words

Joe_and_bill_small twolfe2

428030_10150598134996875_112852666874_9167376_1157036734_n_small mikeinsp