Seahawks 24 - 49ers 0: What the hell am I supposed to say????
Seriously...What am I supposed to say after such an embarrassing performance? I thought the defense put up a valiant effort while the offense apparently didn't board the plane from San Francisco. Tony Kornheiser just said, "You have to ask yourself is Seattle this good or is San Francisco this bad?" Well I think it's safe to say that San Francisco IS this bad. I thought Seattle was decent heading into this season and I think they're gaining some confidence. The 49ers on the other hand? Their offense is garbage right now and I think this adequately provides my thoughts on the matter:

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Bring back Dilfer!
Can we get Colt Brennan at the end of Round 1 in the draft? It's time for someone new. The Alex Smith era is OVER!!!
by joebirdie3 on Nov 12, 2007 8:53 PM PST 0 recs
Nolan
... and frankly, while Alex Smith has not been impressive, what the hell is he supposed to do when guys are rushing at him completely untouched time and time again? Then, when he does make a good throw his receivers can't catch it? (Like the first play of the game, which was a good deep throw that was dropped by the receiver). This offense is such a disaster you can't really evaluate him fairly.
by jaytierney on Nov 12, 2007 9:18 PM PST 0 recs
offense and nolan
by Fooch on
Nov 12, 2007 9:21 PM PST
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Smith
by affan1025 on
Nov 12, 2007 9:24 PM PST
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Audibles
by jfainsf49 on
Nov 13, 2007 7:38 AM PST
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Audibles
Also, people tend to forget he's had about the same amount of time in organized football as the guys from the past two NFL drafts. He's very young, and while he's been in the NFL for two and a half years, he's still the youngest starting QB in the league.
by sfgfan on
Nov 13, 2007 10:29 AM PST
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Not Nolan's fault...
Arnaz Battle is a guy I love to watch, because he has some of the best hands I've seen out of frisco since no80. But I recall at least 3 times last night where he was open and on the move, but could only get a hand on the ball to knock it down because the pass was so inaccurate.
And dude, the first play of the game was no exception. By some rare and bizarre fluke, Djack got separation on that play, and Alex's throw was 4 yards short - causing Darrell to come back for it, and allowing the DB to get his hands in on the play.
by shleckothegecko on
Nov 13, 2007 7:57 AM PST
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First play
by jaytierney on
Nov 13, 2007 10:30 AM PST
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Brennan
by affan1025 on Nov 12, 2007 9:22 PM PST 0 recs
Brohm and Woodson will be gone
by Fooch on
Nov 12, 2007 9:25 PM PST
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Brennan
by methodrampage on
Nov 13, 2007 7:59 AM PST
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did everyone forget
by GoninerZ21 on
Nov 13, 2007 12:32 PM PST
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2008 draft
by jfainsf49 on
Nov 13, 2007 12:35 PM PST
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ha!
by sfgfan on
Nov 13, 2007 1:01 PM PST
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A.Smith
by sstjohn on Nov 12, 2007 9:27 PM PST 0 recs
Disgusting brand of football...
I really do hope they bring in some competition next year to push Alex. Each season Nolan says there's open competition for every position BUT QUARTERBACK. That needs to change this off-season. Either draft a quarterback or bring in a veteran. I don't think this will hinder the development of Alex. If it does, then he's not as mentally tough as what coach Nolan advertises. Competition brings the best out everyone.
It is too easy to blame Alex alone for this offense's terrible performance. Nolan HAS to demote Hostler. Hostler lacks the knowledge right now to be an OC. He is way over his head for this job. But just like Alex, it serves no purposes taking the playcalling duties away from Hostler until the season ends.
The saddest thing about all this is, I'll continue to watch every agonizing snap until the end of the season. Go Niners! cricket cricket
by Eyeshield21 on Nov 12, 2007 9:35 PM PST 0 recs
you can blame smith
either he has small hands or he just doesnt have what it takes
by Vote4Gore on Nov 12, 2007 10:01 PM PST 0 recs
Wow
But last year Norv worked with it.
I think it starts and ends with the OC, period.
The O-Line even played better. We hafta stop blaming the players. We have to forsee that and say it's the coaching staff. No way a defense should be out on the field 45 minutes a game. It's a fuckign disgraceful team and I would not be surprised if we get shut out by St. Louis next week.
by jtoj on Nov 12, 2007 10:09 PM PST 0 recs
sorry i disagree
by rimrock101 on Nov 12, 2007 10:21 PM PST 0 recs
Well
Unless the Warriors can turn it up a notch, I guess Ima be a one sport man for a while.
I'm just about done with this pathetic excuse of a team we have here.
by jtoj on Nov 12, 2007 10:38 PM PST 0 recs
Question
Does the onside kick to start the second half seem dumb to anyone else? Didn't we do the exact same thing, in a similar position, against Seattle week 4? To me, it seems like a poor choice. If a team were to ever expect it, that would be the time. Again, I did not see the game, nor this particular play, but I was curious about it. Anyone have any thoughts?
by marcello on Nov 12, 2007 10:49 PM PST 0 recs
We need to do anything to score points.
by cheno on
Nov 12, 2007 11:11 PM PST
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The onside kick...
by jfainsf49 on
Nov 13, 2007 7:46 AM PST
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Disconnected
That being said I don't have a problem with the call. We needed to do something and it's not like that call cost us the game.
by methodrampage on
Nov 13, 2007 8:02 AM PST
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Screw logic
And just because I think it was a horrible call doesn't mean that I had no hope of the Niners gaining a first down in the second half.
By kicking off like a normal team we would not have put our defense against a wall. We did get a turnover shortly afterward but that is beside the point.
by jfainsf49 on
Nov 13, 2007 8:30 AM PST
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The defense
Basically, Nolan has A LOT of faith in his defense, and he'd rather put the defense against the wall, than try to force the 49ers offense to drive the field. I can't say I blame him, right now.
by sfgfan on
Nov 13, 2007 9:26 AM PST
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Good point
by jfainsf49 on
Nov 13, 2007 10:17 AM PST
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Helmet to helmet
Haralson slowed up and even avoided falling on Hasselbeck. It IS football, you know? Players are meant to get hit, much like players are meant to hit others. Even Jaworski, an ex-quarterback, thought the flag was a little picky.
I liked that the defense was able to stop the Seahawks (if it weren't for the penalty). While the penalty cost them the stop and 4 additional points, you can't tell a player NOT to go after the QB. If you ask Hasselbeck if that helmet shot rattled him, he'd probably give you a decisive "No," but he'd take the yards (and first down) any day.
by sfgfan on
Nov 13, 2007 10:24 AM PST
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Desperate times...
We all know that Nolan is no offensive guru. So really, all that can be done from his position is give the offense as many chances to succeed as possible. Let them show us something. Let them prove to everyone on a national stage that they aren't as bad as everyone's been saying they are.
The fact that they ARE that bad...well, what do you want Nolan to do about it?
by shleckothegecko on
Nov 13, 2007 8:07 AM PST
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Not a problem
Similarly, the fourth and goal and fourth and three (I think?) in the red zone were also calls I agreed with. Some could argue that if the 49ers had kicked field goals, they would have been only down by 11. That would still require two more scores. They needed a touchdown (or two) at some point, so I don't disagree with those calls. Nolan was basically saying, "if we can't score here, the game is pretty much over." He got a second chance to say the exact same thing and he took it again. Basically, he let the offense know that the loss would be on them (as the defense was pretty good to open the second half).
by sfgfan on
Nov 13, 2007 8:31 AM PST
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Yeah
by marcello on
Nov 13, 2007 12:09 PM PST
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dont blame coach nolan
by J2daZ on Nov 12, 2007 11:40 PM PST 0 recs
come on
by GoninerZ21 on
Nov 13, 2007 12:28 PM PST
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Duuuuuuuude
by howtheyscored on
Nov 13, 2007 1:42 PM PST
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Next Year
by montasmob69 on Nov 13, 2007 5:35 AM PST 0 recs
haha
I don't think you could get a 6th round pick for Allen, hes done. Also he is a free agent next season. Nice dream though kid.
by enut21 on
Nov 13, 2007 6:47 AM PST
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Smith needs to sit
Last night every time he dropped back to pass everyone in the booth was critiquing his mechanics. Smith and overthrowing, underthrowing. He seemed clueless about the pass rush.
If Hill is so bad he cannot play quarterback in an NFL game, then he should be cut. If he can play, put him in and let Smith sit. If Hill can't play, put in Dilfer again.
Smith looks so bad now it's hard to imagine him being a real NFL quarterback.
Bottom line: This team is going nowhere. Now is the time to start evaluating the talent along the bench to see who's coming back next year.
by Bob In Pacifica on Nov 13, 2007 6:31 AM PST 0 recs
Smith out Hoss out Dilfer in
Smith should be benched. He should go ahead and get his shoulder repaired. Put Dilfer back in and let him work the ball to a healthy V. Davis. And let Dilfer call the plays.
by jfainsf49 on
Nov 13, 2007 7:57 AM PST
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good point
by GoninerZ21 on
Nov 13, 2007 1:19 PM PST
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Mechanics
Basically, all I'm saying is that Smith may be trying to find ways to "muscle up" for each pass. I can't imagine the pain has completely gone away, and there's no way he's at 100% strength. Those two things will only come with extended rest, not 4 weeks (with throwing in between).
by sfgfan on
Nov 13, 2007 8:35 AM PST
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Smith is hurt
Now they are stuck with no real replacement on the roster. Nevertheless, Alex is hurt. Whether he's a bust or he's still the quarterback of the future he's not the quarterback of the present. He needs to heal.
Meanwhile, is there anyone, ANYONE around to sign as a quarterback?
by Bob In Pacifica on
Nov 13, 2007 9:15 AM PST
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In a week or two.
As for current free agents, there doesn't really appear to be anyone worth taking a flier on (based on this list). The only two people that may be an improvement over Dilfer or Hill are Bledsoe (who would be a sitting duck behind this offensive line, not too different from Dilfer) and Aaron Brooks (who may be able to make something out of his feet, but is TERRIBLY inaccurate and inconsistent).
by sfgfan on
Nov 13, 2007 9:21 AM PST
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Maybe
by sfgfan on
Nov 13, 2007 9:23 AM PST
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Nothing will spring Vick.
by sfgfan on
Nov 13, 2007 9:31 AM PST
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Because that would go over well
by LA49er on
Nov 14, 2007 8:50 AM PST
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We sucked on both sides of the ball
Absolutely. No. Pass. Rush. Hasselbeck had as much time as he wanted.
And I refuse to even talk about the offense, other than to say I have literally never seen an offense this bad.
In all seriousness, they need to peel the "BW"s off their helmets. This team is an insult to the Walsh family. I hate them.
by Call It The Throw on Nov 13, 2007 8:20 AM PST 0 recs
Blame the suit
We need a motivational coach. We need a coach that can come in and kick the shit out of our guys until they get it right. We don't have a team of professionals, we have a ragtag group of potential, and for that we need a coach with some fire. All the draft picks in the world can't help us, if the kids show up to learn how to lose and then get picked up by another team where they get taught how to win.
Dennis Green?
Because we are who we thought we were...
by LA49er on Nov 13, 2007 8:37 AM PST 0 recs
Nolan wouldn't be good with the chargers either
by spenczar on
Nov 13, 2007 9:59 AM PST
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Qb sneak
by jfainsf49 on Nov 13, 2007 8:55 AM PST 0 recs
Maybe
I'd say shut him down.
Likewise, as others have commented, why not just play VD as a wideout. If you need a tight end to block, put someone else in to block. Hell, put a lineman there. If you only throw there twice a game what the hell does it matter whether the guy can catch or not?
by Bob In Pacifica on
Nov 13, 2007 9:02 AM PST
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And after
by Bob In Pacifica on
Nov 13, 2007 9:06 AM PST
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Stiff?
Smith needs more time in the pocket. He needs to be able to trust his offensive line and have that trust be warranted. The 49ers are lucky that he trusts them as much as he does right now, still. Considering how many times he's been sacked, and his injury, it's amazing he still trusts them. The two fumbles he gave up, he looked like he believed the offensive line would do their work (much like Trent Dilfer did a few weeks back). The first fumble was a result of Vernon Davis getting off of the line late, and then blocking down on someone the running back already picked up, leaving Kerney free on the outside.
by sfgfan on
Nov 13, 2007 9:12 AM PST
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Stiff
I agree that the Niners have lots of needs. The O line actually has been playing better the last couple of games. The two big blocks missed seem to have belonged to Hicks (why wasn't Robinson in there on third down?) and Vernon. If Davis is missing blocks anyway, why not split him wide and use him as a wideout? After all, when he has to come back for those underthrown passes at least he'll be big enough to battle for them.
by Bob In Pacifica on
Nov 13, 2007 9:22 AM PST
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Sadly
While I disagree with using him as a blocker as much as the 49ers have, one of the only ways to have success against Seattle is to stack the box and do some sort of full-protect scheme. Of course, full-protect only helps if the guys who are making up the "full" do their jobs.
by sfgfan on
Nov 13, 2007 9:30 AM PST
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Up until that point.
Gore is a very good back at making the most out of tight spaces. If Moran Norris didn't get OWNED like he did, the 49ers would have had six. Frank got on Norris AND spoke to Larry Allen after the play, which was one of the lone bright spots of last night's game. The team is in dire need of players that are emotional leaders on the field, and it's nice to see Frank step up and want to be that player.
by sfgfan on
Nov 13, 2007 9:08 AM PST
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Norris
by Bob In Pacifica on
Nov 13, 2007 9:23 AM PST
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Norris
by sfgfan on
Nov 13, 2007 9:27 AM PST
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4th down
by jaytierney on
Nov 13, 2007 10:33 AM PST
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yup yup
by GoninerZ21 on
Nov 13, 2007 12:25 PM PST
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Even Steve Young hates us
When you play so badly that even quarterbacks who played for you ten years ago are shaken, you are in trouble.
by spenczar on Nov 13, 2007 9:56 AM PST 0 recs
Steve Young
It's just a very disappointing year for the 49ers, and I'm sure Steve is taking his lumps like all of us (49ers fans). He may be even taking it worse, much like a Cal Alumni may take losses to USC or Stanford worse than just a random Cal fan.
by sfgfan on
Nov 13, 2007 10:18 AM PST
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Excellent point
by jaytierney on
Nov 13, 2007 10:42 AM PST
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Speaking of which
Again.
by LA49er on Nov 13, 2007 9:58 AM PST 0 recs
This team is embarassing
Leave this squad in Maroon.
I would keep Smith for 08-09. Since we need to blow up the OLline, might as well get that gelled before we find a new QB. Besides I have a funny feeling we will have a high draft pick next year as well, hopefully we won't trade it for.
by zenbitz on Nov 13, 2007 10:18 AM PST 0 recs
lol
by GoninerZ21 on
Nov 13, 2007 12:21 PM PST
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First rounders
by sfgfan on
Nov 13, 2007 12:26 PM PST
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Also...
by jaytierney on
Nov 13, 2007 1:10 PM PST
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On top of that "Also..."
Staley has done extremely well and so has Lawson. Lawson isn't necessarily the ideal 3-4 OLB, as he could stand to gain some weight, but he has speed and is developing sound coverage fundamentals. Pairing him with Willis in the LB group should pay dividends for years to come.
A late second round pick isn't the end of the world, if the team knows how to use it correctly. The 49ers have shown very little reason to doubt they can.
by sfgfan on
Nov 13, 2007 1:25 PM PST
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c'mon.
There is a nice little statement. Don't worry that we traded a top 5 pick, we have the 30th pick!
I get what you are saying about drafting late 1st round talent, but if we still had our original pick we would be able to trade it for 2 1st round picks or a 1st,2nd and a 1st in 09.
In retrospect wouldn't it have been wiser to trade our 2nd and a 4th to move up to the start of the 2nd round and grab staley?
by enut21 on
Nov 13, 2007 3:52 PM PST
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Hindsight = 20/20
I don't see what the issue is. The 49ers picked up a tackle that could probably become a franchise LT in a year or two at a significantly cheaper cost than a top 5 pick. The did this basically by trading up from the second round in one year and trading down the first in the next.
Even if they could have gotten Ugoh, I don't see very much wrong with trading up to get Staley. It seems like a lot of people are more hung up on the fact the Patriots are getting the pick than the 49ers gave it up in exchange for a (significantly) lower one.
by sfgfan on
Nov 13, 2007 4:11 PM PST
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Nolan vs. Smith
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=keown/071112
"And somewhere, lost amid the white noise of the myth-making and myth-killing machine, someone might make a footnote of the fact that nobody ever came close to putting Smith in a position to succeed."
I agree with this column 100%... I really like Nolan and think he's a good guy and I like what he stands for, but as a coach this season he's simply lost.
Bill Walsh was a fantastic coach because he looked at his players and developed a system that would play to their strengths. Montana didn't have a strong arm and couldn't scramble from the pocket, so he put him in short drops and took advantage of his phenomenal touch on short crossing routes. Then, when that short pass system (WCO) was established, he continued to draft players who would fit into that system. With Alex Smith, Nolan has been trying to force a square to fit inside a circle like a stubborn 2-year-old.
by jaytierney on Nov 13, 2007 10:39 AM PST 0 recs
My take
When Smith was drafted, who was the offensive coordinator? Mike McCarthy. Smith was drafted with the WCO in mind. Nolan was hoping McCarthy, who was a protege of Holmgren (if I'm not mistaken) would develop Smith. Sadly enough, Green Bay knew McCarthy's ability as well, and picked him to be their next head coach.
The WCO is a very hard system to understand. It is probably even more difficult to teach. With that in mind, there probably wasn't any great options for Nolan to continue the WCO that offseason he hired Norv. Norv also had a system that worked, and one that worked with the 49ers "current" personnel. He had Gore, who had a world of potential and was ready to break out. He had a very solid offensive line, the anchor of which was newly acquired Larry Allen. Norv's run to set up the deep pass system worked for Smith. Smith even liked it more. Smith's passes to Antonio Bryant were often things of beauty, even the deep ones.
The problem is, like McCarthy, Norv fled as soon as he could as well. Nolan had very little options this past offseason to hire a replacement. So here's the dilemma: do you hire Hostler and get him to teach the WCO (which I think he's more comfortable with), or do you force him to follow Turner's floorplan? Maybe Nolan deemed Hostler unable to TEACH the WCO, thus forcing him into the Turner system.
No matter which way you carve the turkey, Hostler is a VERY large chunk of why the team has struggled. Of that slice of turkey, Hostler accounts for the actual meat part of it, and Nolan is just the fat and the skin (or those hard cartilage things in the drumsticks). Hopefully Nolan looks outside to find a new OC at season's end. Maybe Norv could come back, "burned bridges be damned!"

