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Niners Nation Scouting Report: Ted Ginn, Jr.


In draft discussions on this site, I don't think anybody has created a greater disparity in opinions than Ted Ginn, Jr.  I think that his upside could be on the level of a Steve Smith.  At the same time his downside could be that of an R Jay Soward.  Does he have the skills to take it to the next level, or is he just a track star who can't really play football?  Well, I decided to talk to Sean over at Around the Oval to get a better idea of what Ginn is all about.  Here's his scouting report.  In it, Sean addresses the rumors Ginn's dad didn't want him to return in the title game, as well as whether or not Ginn can put together the additional skills beyond just game-breaking speed to make it at the next level.

Background
Ted Ginn came to Ohio State in 2004 as the top cornerback recruit in the country. In high school, he did a little bit of everything, playing quarterback and wide receiver in addition to cornerback. While he was a cornerback early on at OSU, he was switched to the offensive side of the ball to utilize him more as a scoring threat, and it was a switch he made without complaint (at least publicly). There has been talk of him wanting to play his high school position once again in the NFL, and he has made comments that certainly make him sound willing to switch, but he will almost certainly remain at wide receiver, and I don't think that Ginn would have a problem with that. He likely expressed this interest just to show NFL teams that he would be willing to do whatever it takes to get playing time, whether as a receiver, a cornerback, or a return specialist. Ginn, I think, will do whatever the coaches ask of him, as he's done throughout his career.

His willingness to follow orders like that can be attributed in no small part to the direction of his father, Ted Ginn, Sr. The elder Ginn coached his son in high school and remains very active in his life (and in the lives of other former players of his, such as Troy Smith). This isn't to say that Ginn, Sr. is one of the stereotypical over involved parents that will march into the coach's office if they don't like how the coach is using their son. A rumor has circulated about him forbidding his son to re-enter the National Championship game after an injury. I cannot verify or disprove that rumor, but to the best of my knowledge, Ginn, Sr. has never interfered with the OSU football team. He makes sure his son stays on the straight and narrow, but whatever team drafts Ginn should not be expecting his father to be questioning play calling or anything along those lines. All Ginn, Sr. seems to have done is made sure his son is willing to take instruction from coaches, and that would be a good thing for him at the next level.

Strengths
Ginn's primary strength is, of course, his speed. Just about every time he steps on the football field, he is the fastest player on it. He possesses excellent acceleration that allows him to get separation from just about any cornerback, and when he hits his top speed, hardly any player in the country can hope to keep up with him. In terms of agility, he's no Barry Sanders, but he's more than agile enough to make people miss. I don't need to tell you any of this; everyone knows he's fast, and you can see it yourself by checking out any of his highlight videos on YouTube.

Something that I don't think Ginn gets enough credit for is his work ethic. While no one has called him lazy, you don't hear stories about how much effort he puts in. But look at what he's done in his time at Ohio State; each year he's improved significantly. He came in as a defensive back recruit, yet switched to offense just before the start of his freshman season and learned the system enough to finish second on the team in receiving. When people thought he was just someone to get the ball to on gimmick plays, he became a legitimate number two receiver in his sophomore year. And when people said he didn't have the receiving skills to be the number one receiver on a championship-caliber team, he worked to get better and became just that. Ginn still has plenty of work to do on his hands and route-running, but he has shown that he is willing and able to work to improve himself, and that may end up being as valuable an asset to him as his speed at the next level.

Weaknesses
Ginn has been given the tag of a track star playing football, and there is a bit of truth to that. That isn't to say that he doesn't have the tools to play wide receiver, just that his desire to use his speed can be a problem for him. He actually has pretty decent (but certainly not great) hands and has made some tough catches, but he drops passes he should catch because he's too eager to get running toward the end zone; he needs to work on his concentration. Other times, he will pass up a relatively certain short gain to run sideways or backwards and try to get a big gain. It's great to watch when it works, but it won't work nearly as often in the NFL, and he'll need to learn to settle for shorter, surer gains. He also needs to work on his route running and blocking. I wouldn't say he's terrible at either or incapable at getting better; it's just that he, like most college wide receivers, has to learn to work on the little things at the next level.

At the next level
Whatever team drafts Ginn will get an immediate boost in their return game. Even though his receiving skills have improved, Ginn is still at his most dynamic when returning punts and kicks. On offense, I don't think his immediate contribution will be as significant. I think he is capable of eventually becoming a go-to receiver, but early in his career, he would be better off on a team that won't be looking to him to make all the tough catches. I think he would fit best on a team that already has a possession receiver or two, thus freeing Ginn up to do what he does best: run very fast and catch the deep ball. A team that needs a big receiver that will go over the middle and never drop a ball will want to look elsewhere, but a team looking for help on special teams and for a guy that can stretch (and outrun) a defense will have trouble doing better this year than Ted Ginn.

Hopefully, this gives everyone a better idea about Ted Ginn on and off the field.  Obviously this is coming from an Ohio State supporter.  However, I think we're able to see both the good and the bad for a guy that could very well land in our laps come draft day.  Thanks again to Sean from Around the Oval.  Feel free to check them out, as well as the rest of the SB Nation network.

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Here's the proff that we should pass on Ginn
"On offense, I don't think his immediate contribution will be as significant. I think he is capable of eventually becoming a go-to receiver, but early in his career, he would be better off on a team that won't be looking to him to make all the tough catches. I think he would fit best on a team that already has a possession receiver or two, thus freeing Ginn up to do what he does best: run very fast and catch the deep ball. A team that needs a big receiver that will go over the middle and never drop a ball will want to look elsewhere"

If we draft a reciever first, we'll need a guy who can make the tough catches and run across the middle. Whatever, Nolan and Co. already know this. Ginn would be a waste pick for this team.

He chose a simpler procedure. He had the finger amputated above the third knuckle. He didn't miss a down.

by 42Blackout on Feb 6, 2007 11:06 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Possession receivers
You don't think Battle could fill the possession receiver role and Bryant could fill the over the middle role?  Bryant's a big enough guy to handle that and that would leave the fly-route job for Ginn.  I'd still rather have Jarrett, but it's at least worth considering.
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by Fooch on Feb 6, 2007 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

is everyone forgetting
about our TE that runs a 4.3 40?  i don't think a reciever is a positions that needs to be adressed immediately.  and my dark horse WR pick to be the next marques colston is Aaron Fairooz.  i'd rather take him in the 7th round than any WR not named calvin johnson with the 11th pick.

by methodrampage on Feb 6, 2007 12:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the ohio nfl busts
ohio state playas never play well in da nfl.
who threw da snowball at da kicker?

by creekside on Feb 6, 2007 3:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OSU busts?
I wouldn't necessarily agree on OSU busts.  Certainly they've had their fair share, but they've had a lot of successful players lately.  Just in the last ten years you've got:

Bobby Carpenter
Santonio Holmes
Eddie George
Orlando Pace
Joey Galloway
Terry Glenn
Shawn Springs
Antoine Winfield
Will Smith
Chris Gamble
Nate Clements
Ryan Pickett
Mike Doss
Mike Vrabel

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/schools/OHST

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by Fooch on Feb 6, 2007 4:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

mayb
i only recognize 5 of those playas and one of them is will  smith , so that only mrans i recognzie 4 0t them.
who threw da snowball at da kicker?

by creekside on Feb 6, 2007 5:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?
Then you must not follow football all that closely huh?

by gatling on Feb 6, 2007 5:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

follow
i am a leader not a follower.
who threw da snowball at da kicker?

by creekside on Feb 6, 2007 9:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Player List
While not all of those players are household names, most any football fan would know a majority of them by name, even if not specifics.
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by Fooch on Feb 6, 2007 10:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I
there is no I in team.
who threw da snowball at da kicker?

by creekside on Feb 6, 2007 10:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I?
What does that even mean?
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by Fooch on Feb 7, 2007 8:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i could tell you
who all of there teams minus pickett and doss (he's an OL right?).

by methodrampage on Feb 7, 2007 8:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Doss/Pickett
Pickett was/is a nose tackle (was with the Rams I believe) and Doss is a safety in Indianapolis (might have been hurt this year).
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by Fooch on Feb 7, 2007 8:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i don't know what i was thinking
but i should have know that mike doss.

by methodrampage on Feb 7, 2007 8:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Doss
No worries...There's a lot of guys I know of but unless I see them on the football field, I'll forget who they are.
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by Fooch on Feb 7, 2007 9:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

live
every man is born with 2 balls. what you do with those balls is up up to you.
who threw da snowball at da kicker?

by creekside on Feb 7, 2007 11:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

busted
just browsing the list again i see you forgot nick mangold and he looked pretty solid last year for the jets.  who seem to have done an awesome job at replenishing their OL last draft.

by methodrampage on Feb 7, 2007 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Carpenter & Hawk
Carpenter is starting to look like he might be a bust but AJ Hawk was missing from your list as well.

by methodrampage on Feb 7, 2007 10:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hawk
Yea I forget a couple...I was just skimming the list and cherry picking some names.
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by Fooch on Feb 7, 2007 10:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the fact of the matter
is that you can't really say that one school is better or worse than another and making pro players when you're looking at one guy specifically.  Yes there are schools that tend to produce pros that do well (Miami, USC of late), and schools that send players that don't tend to fare as well.  But I think the quality of the team is more indicative, and OSU was a very good team this year and I suspect some good NFL players will come from it.  You have to evaluate each player individually and not worry about the school they come from.  Unless you're an NBA team looking to take a guy from Duke, those guys make awful pros.
Bring back the classic Uni's!

by wjackalope on Feb 8, 2007 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree
with the exception of the University of Houston. Great basketball players. Awful football players.
He chose a simpler procedure. He had the finger amputated above the third knuckle. He didn't miss a down.

by 42Blackout on Feb 9, 2007 11:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Bryant's ego
is big enough where he will refuse to run across the middle. This just looks like a reciepe for disaster. Drafting a reciever first is tricky. Sometimes you win big. Sometimes you lose really really big. With so many picks in the middle rounds, the team should focus on desense first. Get the best defensive player first and grab some recievers in the mid rounds. If Joe Thomas is still on the board when our pick comes up, throw out everything I've just posted.
He chose a simpler procedure. He had the finger amputated above the third knuckle. He didn't miss a down.

by 42Blackout on Feb 9, 2007 12:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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