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Winners AND Losers?



As is the case in this era of instant gratification, several prominent columnists have posted their winners and losers after six days of free agency and not so surprisingly, there are mixed opinions.  As mentioned in the previous post, John Clayton had us at the top of his winners list, while Don Banks of SI.com disliked two of our prominent moves, the signings of Nate Clements and Ashley Lelie.  As you can see fro my primitive, child-like pictures, I support braekneck's academically powerful theory that Don Banks is in fact, a douche.

Clayton's praise was primarily due to the fact that the defensive guys we brought in can actually help build a real 3-4 defense, as opposed to trying to plug in guys that don't fit the system.  As for Lelie, he brought up the point that has been mentioned quite prominently here, and that's that Lelie brings an element of speed that is different than anything we currently possess.  He's a vertical threat, as opposed to a possession  receiver or guy who goes over the middle, which is something we drastically need.

Banks on the other hand did not seem to do his homework in regards to Lelie.  YES, this could be the potential 3rd strike in Lelie's career if he doesn't pan out.  However, Banks questions why anyone thinks Lelie can be the lead receiver in San Francisco after flaming out in Denver and Atlanta.  Well, if he had half a clue about the 49ers receiver corps, he'd realize Vernon Davis is the guy who should become our best receiver.  Everyone would prefer it to happen this year, but as long as he shows solid development, the leap can happen next year and I'd be satisfied.  Furthermore, it's not like we signed the guy to a massive deal that could put us in a world of hurt down the road.  It's a 2 year deal.  If he blows up and leaves for a big contract afterwards in free agency, so be it.  At least we got production out of him.  If he's a total bust and is gone by next year, whatever.  No big loss.

Banks also criticizes the Nate Clements signing by simply saying he's no Champ Bailey.  Well no kidding, Captain Obvious.  I'll be the first to admit that Champ Bailey is the best cornerback in football, bar none.  However, Nate Clements was the best that was available at this time and he made it clear he wanted big money.  If we had gone out and signed a mediocre cornerback for mediocre money, Banks would probably be criticizing John York for being the same old cheapskate owner.  We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.  And as I've said repeatedly, we're signing guys that are in the prime of their careers.  In the case of Clements, if he does show signs of slipping five years from now, the contract will either be re-done or he'll be cut, plain and simple.

Outside of resigning our own guys, I don't see a whole lot happening with the 49ers before the draft.  Even if Donte Stallworth comes at a relative bargain after rehab, I don't really see Nolan getting in on that action, considering his drive to bring in character guys.  And I think it's safe to say there's no way Darrell Jackson gets dealt within the division.

While I like the Clements and Lewis deals, the two players I'll personally be following closest are Ashley Lelie and Aubrayo Franklin.  For Lelie, it's because I love seeing my team sign a guy cheap and prove everyone wrong.  For Franklin, I think he's a guy who could surprise some people and really solidify the middle of the defensive line.

Throwing out the Clements deal, since that's the biggest, which of the remaining signings will have the biggest impact on the team?  Comment here and I'll post a poll on the main page.

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thinking of chaning my name
perhaps I'll just go by "according to Matt Maiocco" or something similar. Anyway, here's what he reports about our free agency moves (which could use a little editing, but...):
Early in the regular season, the 49ers targeted 10 players they hoped to get in free agency. The team signed each of those four players - Nate Clements, Michael Lewis, Aubrayo Franklin and Tully Banta-Caint," McCloughan told The Press Democrat on Wednesday. He said he would've been happy to sign two players from their top 10.

"Four of the five were pinpointed in our top 10 probably four weeks into the season," McCloughan said. "We feel all four have the opportunity to be starters right away. If they're not, that means we've gotten a lot better."

Receiver Ashley Lelie was not a player the 49ers had in their top 10 during the season, McCloughan said, only because he did not know if he would be a free agent. Lelie impressed the 49ers with his ability to stretch a defense. In his career, he has 59 receptions of more than 20 yards, and 20 receptions of 40 yards or greater.

Bring back Eddie D.

by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 7, 2007 11:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Also
Maiocco links to his article he wrote for today's Press Democrat.  McCloughan believes that "depending on how things shake out", the team could end up with 2-4 potential starters from the draft.  I think that may be reaching.

by sfgfan on Mar 8, 2007 8:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

draft starters
Well, from the draft, I could see a defensive end earning a starting spot and possibly a wide receiver getting a spot.  Other than that, any ideas?  Maybe we luck out with a lineman that allows us to dump Kwame?  That's 3 possibilities that I can think of off the top of my head.  I wonder also if maybe we draft a corner who can play in the nickel defense and that counts as a starter in McCloughan's mind?  Who knows.
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by Fooch on Mar 8, 2007 8:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DE, ILB, OL
These are my guesses.  It's possible that the team grabs two DE's, one to start this year and one to be developed a replacement for BY.  We're going to need an ILB to replace Smith in a year or two likely, and another OL can't hurt.  A WR is a possibility, but I'd think if we draft a receiver it's going to be in the 3rd or 4th round, and it's really likely that we get a starter there, Marques Colston as an example notwithstanding.  I'd still like to see DJ Hackett added at WR, I think Lelie, Hackett, and Battle would be a solid set.

by gatling on Mar 8, 2007 9:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My bad
I forgot to put in that its 2-4 defensive starters.  

I agree with Braekneck.  Whomever they take in the first round, be it Carriker, Willis, Landry, will probably start this year.  After that, expecting another starter (for this year) could be stretching it.  Right now, its hard to imagine anyone cracking more than one of the DE spots.  With the signing of Franklin, NT is probably another unlikely starter position (unless they get Branch).  

The hardest position to break the starting lineup for will probably be cornerback.  With Clements, Spencer, and Harris, the 49ers are pretty set there.  The "weakest" part of the secondary may be Mark Roman at FS.  But even then, unless they get Landry, Reggie Nelson, or Michael Griffin, its a stretch someone could unseat him there as well.

You pose an interesting idea as well, gatling.  By starters, I guess they may not necessarily mean starters for this year.  They could be grooming the eventual replacements for B.Y., M. Douglas, and D. Smith.  

by sfgfan on Mar 8, 2007 9:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Roman
I believe that Roman's a strong safety and Keith Lewis is our free safety.  Lewis signed a 3-year deal but obviously if we took Laron Landry we could conceivably work him in as our free safety...
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by Fooch on Mar 8, 2007 9:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right...
... my fault.  But yeah, I only imagine Landry, Griffin or Nelson taking that starting job.  Griffin and Nelson may actually be questionable, at least for the first year or two.

by sfgfan on Mar 8, 2007 9:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ILB
Good point though on the need for an inside linebacker.  Ullbrich and Smith are definitely not the future there and we need to find bodies to eventually replace them.
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by Fooch on Mar 8, 2007 9:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Moore
Whoops, I mentioned Ullbrich but forgot about Brandon Moore.  My bad.
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by Fooch on Mar 8, 2007 10:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lewis
needs to be moved to strong safety.  If he's a safety that's in good run support and can't cover then why is he a free safety?

by methodrampage on Mar 8, 2007 10:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

2-3
I could see 2.  I think there are 3-4 spots where we could draft a starter: DE, DT, ILB, FS.  Whoever we pick up in the 1st should start and we could end up with a guy like Jon Beason (per Drafttek, and I know this means we pass on Michael Bush and I don't like it but I'm just saying...) who could probably start at ILB.

by methodrampage on Mar 8, 2007 8:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what our starting defense looks like right now
DT - BY (may be his last season. We should be looking for replacement in the draft)
NT - Aubrayo Franklin (the key to the 3-4 is the NT. Sopoaga is the backup, so drafting another NT is wise)
DT - Marques Douglas (turns 30 next week)

OLB/DE - Manny Lawson (let's see what he can do)
ILB - Brandon moore (a monster inside)
ILB - Derek Smith (at age 32, he isn't getting any younger. ILB is a definite 1st round draft possibility)
OLB/DE - Banta-Cain - (has never been a full time starter)

CB - Clements (just signed and in his prime)
CB/nickel - Spencer/Harris (we can never have enough good corners)
FS - Keith Lewis (may be weakest link in good secondary)
SS - Michael Lewis (we didn't sign him to ride the pine.)

Bring back Eddie D.

by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 8, 2007 10:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good rundown
While I still have my Dwayne Jarrett fixation, I think we definitely go defense with the first round pick.  It could be Adam Carriker, Laron Landry, possibly Patrick Willis or Jameel Anderson if he drops.  Personally I think D-Line is the position that should be addressed, but you don't want to reach if certain guys aren't there.
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by Fooch on Mar 8, 2007 10:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
My first pick would be Branch if he's available. he's clearly a top talent. right now, though, I don't think he falls to us. I also don't think Landry gets to us. If he is there, I say we grab him to play FS. If we want him, we'll have to trade up to get him.

I still think Houston in the 8th spot is a good place for us to trade up to. they still need an RB and picking Lynch at 11 is much less of a stretch than at 8. They still might be able to get Levi Brown at 11, too.

If neither Branch or Landry is available at 11, my top pick would be ILB Patrick Willis. He definitely fills a need and could start over Smith inside. He's a big hitter and he's very athletic. He ran a 4.5 at the combine and had a very good Senior Bowl.

If Branch and Landry (or Anderson) aren't there, we should grab this guy. I like him better than Carriker. If the 49ers will be going for best player available, he might be the guy at 11. He's a great talent.

Bring back Eddie D.

by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 8, 2007 10:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Underestimated
A lot of people seem to think that Willis is a mid to late first rounder.  If thats the case, than if there were anyone to draft out of  place, it would still be him.  Like you, nostocks, I'd rather take him than Carriker.  

You think Houston will actually go that high?  Supposedly he is still kind of raw mentally.  He has great speed and physical tools (except maybe his height), but is said to be on-and-off when it comes to keeping his head straight (and focused).

by sfgfan on Mar 8, 2007 10:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I meant Houston Texans are drafting #8
if we could trade up to that spot, we could get Landry and maybe Branch if he slips that far. I didn't mean Chris Houston.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 8, 2007 11:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Willis
He's moving up draft boards from what I've seen recently.  I've seen him listed at our pick, so it wouldn't be much of a stretch to see him taken there.  I think it might be a good move, if we can grab a defensive lineman in the second round then.

by gatling on Mar 8, 2007 12:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DT's
someone like Justin Harrell (Tennessee), Quinn Pitcock (Ohio State) or Cal's Brandon Mebane are legit 2nd rounders that we'd probably try to get if we can't get a DT in the first round.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 8, 2007 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
Harrell and Pitcock are two I'd look at if they're available.  I think it's likely one of them is there when we pick in the second round.  Although if we go with a linebacker in round 1, I'd expect a DE in round 2.

by gatling on Mar 8, 2007 1:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mebane
is too small to play DT in a 3-4.

by methodrampage on Mar 8, 2007 1:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what about Jarvis Moss?
he's being touted the possible heir apparent to Joey Porter in Pittsburgh and a perfect OLB guy for the 3-4. Of course, Pitt could switch to the 4-3 with the new coach who prefers that scheme. I'd prefer him to Carriker.
Bring back Eddie D.

by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 8, 2007 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Franklin
I'm not sure if Franklin will be the starter at NT or not.  Everything I've read said he backed up all three spots in Baltimore, so maybe that is Nolan's plan here.  Maybe we draft a DE like Carrkier and rotate him with Franklin, Young, Douglas, and Sopaoga.  5 guys for the three spots on the line is a solid idea, I think it's a great way to keep guys fresh and playing their best.

by gatling on Mar 8, 2007 12:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Carriker
I know he bulked up a bit to get to almost 300 pounds, but I don't see him as a pure inside guy. He might be a DT, but not an NT.
Bring back Eddie D.

by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 8, 2007 12:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Carriker
Sorry, that probably wasn't very clear.  I don't expect all five of those guys to play each position, but more like Carriker at both DE spots, Franklin at all three, Douglas at both DE spots, etc.  It just gives us better depth by having 5 guys to split time at those spots, but not all of those guys at each specific spot.

by gatling on Mar 8, 2007 1:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Carriker profile
Compares To: Richard Seymour, New England -- Carriker is more suited to play like Seymour does in the 3-4 alignment -- out on the edge as a run stuffer and inside as a pass rusher. He has outstanding strength and size, but needs to develop better hand usage in his attempts to disengage. He does a good job of splitting double-teams and does a good job of keeping his feet when moving through trash. He won't spend most of his time chasing down quarterbacks; he doesn't have the explosive closing speed. But he is very effective at pushing blockers back into the pocket. With his size/strength combination, using him as anything outside of the way Seymour plays would be wasting his athletic ability.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/draft/407944

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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 8, 2007 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

carriker
I like the sound of that.  Corn Nation, SB Nation's Nebraska blogger is putting something together on Carriker for me to post.  I'm convinced he could be a very solid pro for us.
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by Fooch on Mar 8, 2007 3:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Carrkier
Profile looks great, let's hope he could be as good as Seymour if we draft him.  I'm not sure why you posted this as a response to me, unless you're still thinking I expect him to play NT.  I don't, and never said so.  He's a DE, and would probably rotate at both DE spots with Douglas and Young this year.

by gatling on Mar 8, 2007 4:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not a response
simply an addition. I misunderstood your original post.
Bring back Eddie D.

by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 8, 2007 4:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice looking lineup
I'm still sketchy on the d-line we've got in place, and we need plenty of depth, but I'm mostly liking that starting 11.
I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down... over and over...

by howtheyscored on Mar 9, 2007 11:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Branch
If I had the kind of ammo the niners have in terms of picks, I'd try to move up and snag Alan Branch. There's not a lot of depth at NT this year, and the Niners desperately need a two gap DT. If there's one player in this draft that solves a lot of problems on defense, its Branch.

I'm still bitter about us passing on Vince Wilfork in '04. Run stuffing tackles don't come around too often and we passed on one at picking at 16. Way to go Terry. I'm confident Nolan wont make the same mistake this year. Unfortunatley, neither will Gibbs or Kubiak, so we'll probably have to trade up to land him.

Steve Wallace finishes his blocks. Bubba Paris finishes his plate.-Bill Walsh

by nothinlikethetown on Mar 8, 2007 1:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you
about Wilfork and Branch is a beast.  Washington should want to trade out of their spot so we'll see if something happens.

by methodrampage on Mar 8, 2007 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Willis Profile
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/draft/430383

In this mock, CBS had the 49ers drafting the guy.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 8, 2007 2:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Looks like a stud
Theres also something, at least to me it feels good, about taking the first LB off the board instead of the 4-5th DL taken.

by methodrampage on Mar 8, 2007 3:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

depth
Of course if the draft is really deep at defensive line, as this one supposedly is, then taking the 4th or 5th defensive line is not such a bad thing.

Any ideas why Jamaal Anderson is dropping in some mock drafts out of the top 10 and past the 49ers?

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by Fooch on Mar 8, 2007 4:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

victim of circumstances?
he projects as more of a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 DT.
Bring back Eddie D.

by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 8, 2007 5:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we have too much time on our hands
that's most likely the reason. with so many mocks going on all over hte place, be certain we can just about see every possible scenario.
Bring back Eddie D.

by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 8, 2007 5:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Totally
Everyone's got a different take. Mel Kiper has Anderson at #4, and Branch dropping like a stone to #21.
"You gotta bring ass, to get ass." --EDDIE DeBARTOLO JR.

by Josh from Hollywood on Mar 8, 2007 11:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I guarantee
that Branch does not get past the 49ers at #11.

Frankly, I don't see Anderson falling that far. He'll likely be a top 10 pick. There's too much need for pass rushers to pass up a guy with his ability and size.

Bring back Eddie D.

by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 8, 2007 11:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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