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Fun Draft Speculation: Trading up to #2

[EDITOR'S NOTE 3:30PM] - I like to think of myself as a realistically optimistic fan when it comes to the 49ers. I like to think an Alan Branch will fall to us, but at the same time I stick with more realistic scenarios so as not to get my hopes up. Well, nostocksjustbonds put together a quality little diary with some fun draft speculation that actually isn't completely, insanely out of the realm of possibility. While not likely, it's not like he's suggesting we trade our 6th round pick for the #1 overall choice. So have at it and feel free to throw out ideas that might not happen, but would be pretty cool nonetheless. To quote Rick Pitino, "Calvin Johnson ain't walking through that door! Joe Thomas ain't walking through that door!" But what the hell, it's only a game right?

nostocksjustbonds:

In his latest column/mock draft CNNSI's Don "The Douche" Banks speculates that with its recent moves, Detroit might be much more willing to trade out of the #2 spot:

My gut tells me the Lions want to deal downward and avoid this decision, but picking up Tatum Bell and George Foster makes no real sense to me if Adrian Peterson or Joe Thomas are your first-round objectives. If Quinn's stock ever was really dropping in the first place, his strong pro day workout Sunday should help it rebound.

Regardless of the fact that The Douche's "gut" is not actual knowledge or evidence that Detroit is contemplating such a move, I'd like to ponder whether the 49ers could be such a team to move up to that spot. If so, what would it take to get there?

I've mentioned before that I think it would probably take the #11 pick and probably next year's first rounder to move up that far. I'd also throw in one or two of our later round picks this year or next.

The bigger (and more fun) question is who would they take? It probably goes without saying that to trade up that far, they 49ers would have to know who they would pick at that spot.

  1. At first glance, it seems obvious: Calvin Johnson. The guy is supposed to be a bigger, faster, stronger, more talented Larry Fitzgerald(!) and we definitely need a WR. Imagine him and VD running routes for us the next 5+ years. Imagine the nightmares for opposing defensive coordinators. Heck, that combo could turn Alex Smith into a HOFer.
  2. On the other hand, we definitely need to shore up our offensive line. Kwame Harris just isn't cutting it. At that spot, Joe Thomas, the tackle from Wisconsin, looks pretty damn appealing. He could be a Jonathan Ogden type. Of course, first round OL picks don't alway pan out and Johnson seems more of a sure thing.
  3. I really don't think the 49ers would take Adrian Peterson because we have Gore, though more teams have been going to this 2-back system and I think that might be a good way to go. Gore takes a pounding because of his running style and Peterson is more a speed guy. I don't think Gore would like it, and we don't want him pissed off at us. Plus, it would seem to be a bit of a waste to make either of those guys part timers.
  4. I think the player the 49ers would love to get the most is Alan Branch, the DT from Michigan. He would fill a need, though we wouldn't need him to start right away. He's big enough to play nosetackle and in the 3-4, the NT is the most critical position on the D-Line. He could also spell BY and team up with Aubrayo Franklin to form a huge front. He could key our line for years. He's been projected to go to Washington at #6 in most drafts I've seen. If those other guys weren't available, he'd be a great pick at #2.
The Douche also speculated that Tampa would like to trade up to the #2 spot ahead of Cleveland to ensure they get Calvin Johnson. Perhaps a 3-way deal could happen, in which TB moves to the #2 spot, we get to the #4 spot and Detroit slides down to the #11 spot. I'm not sure how it would work, but at that point, we'd probably be deciding between Branch and Thomas.

There may be other scenarios to consider, but I'll leave it at that.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.

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Branch
Branch is really the only guy I see us being able to move up to get because I don't think he'll be gone before the 6th pick, where I believe Washington sits.  Washington has hardly any picks this year and I'd imagine that they'd like to trade down to pick up an extra pick.
So if the niners trade up I thinks Washington is the team that we'd most likely deal with.  I wonder how much Minnesota wants to move up they are in dire need of a WR.  None the less this should be an interesting couple of weeks leading up to the draft.

by methodrampage on Mar 9, 2007 2:54 PM PST reply actions  

i love the draft
and this kind of speculation is why.  I would shit myself if we ended up with CJ, but Id also be a little wary of getting rid of next years first rounder.  If we go all the way to #2 I think Johnson is the definite pick, if we're 4-8 we're probably looking at a guy like thomas or branch.  No matter what happens it will be interesting.  I just hope our first rounder is someone I'll be excited about.
Bring back the classic Uni's!

by wjackalope on Mar 9, 2007 4:58 PM PST reply actions  

Next year's draft
While I agree that giving up next year's first round pick is a lot, if there's any time to do it, it would be now.  Theoretically, our team is improving and we should be better next year.  Given that, next year's first round pick will hopefully be somewhere in the 20's.  Still valuable, no doubt, but it makes a potential trade a bit better.

by marcello on Mar 9, 2007 6:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree
If there was a time, it's now, and if there was a player, it's Calvin Johnson. The defense, though I still want to see the first pick go toward that line, is by and large shored up as far as starters go, and the offense would be downright legitimate with a Johnson in the fold (who doesn't believe that he is good enough to make an impact this year?), and it's hard to look at any of the other receivers and think you're getting a guy who will be the man in a few years.

The more I think about it, the more I like it. Do I think it's necessary? No. This team could have a huge draft and a stunning first round without CJ, and assuming VD hits his stride we can adequately fill WR with somebody else and not lose too much. Do I think I would do it if I were them? Probably. It does seem kind of right, doesn't it?

I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down... over and over...

by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2007 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

We gotta come up with a new nickname for
Vernon Davis. VD just doesn't sit well with me. I'm sure he wouldn't be very fond of it, either. Michael Vick would be a better canidate for that name.
I'm not crazy...*INSTITUTION* You're the one that's crazy...*INSTITUTION* You're driving me crazy...*INSTITUTION*

by 42Blackout on Mar 13, 2007 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Davis
I've been saying that since last season.  There simply has to be a better option.  We could be completely unoriginal and call him the Freak, but Jevon Kearse has that and Randy Moss before him.
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by David Fucillo on Mar 14, 2007 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

How about...
Click! Clack! from those dumb under armor commericals that came out after the draft last year? Or maybe flash. He's the fastest guy I've ever seen that big. Solid Gold? Live wire? I'm grasping for straws here.
I'm not crazy...*INSTITUTION* You're the one that's crazy...*INSTITUTION* You're driving me crazy...*INSTITUTION*

by 42Blackout on Mar 14, 2007 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depth of 2008 Draft
Does anyone know how deep the 2008 draft is supposed to be?  If it's projected to be a down year for talent then I'd be more willing to part with the 2008 1st rounder to obtain a player like Calvin Johnson.  If 2008 is considered to have a deep set of talent for the first round then I'd rather stay at 11 and take the best player available while holding on to our 2008 1st rounder.
PT-42

by norcaldevilasu on Mar 10, 2007 12:23 AM PST reply actions  

Lots of Options
I think we have a lot of options here.

Staying put at 11

If we stay put we will probably take the best available defensive player on the board. Landry, Willis, Anderson, Moss, or Carriker.

Trading up

I see only 2 reasons why we would trade up. The 1st would be moving up to 2 or 3 and giving up the house ( Our 1,2,3,4+ picks in this years draft or our 1st, 3rd in this years and next years 1st) in order to get Calvin Johnson. This seems very doubtful to me and a very non-nolan type move considering how much depth we still need at many positions. A more trade up move in my mind would be to trade up between 5-8 and get Branch. A deal like this would cost us our 1st and our 2nd or a 1st and a 3rd and a 4th.

Trading Down

I like the idea of trading down. My scenario works like this.  We trade down between 15-21, grab an extra 2nd or 3rd.  Draft Jarrett, Then take our 2nd and a 3rd to move up to the late first round and draft a player like Timmons, Posluszny, or Harell.   I think a Jarrett type receiver is a good compliment to Lelies speed.

I also think Ryan Harris out of Notre Dame would be a great pick in the 3rd or 4th round, if he has really fallen that far down. He can play both Guard and Tackle.  If we want to add depth to our line this is the way to go IMO.

Also I know everybody here has fallen in love with Michael Bush to give us 2 solid backs but I think it would be a terrible move for us considering he is going to go somewhere between the very late 1st round to the middle of the 2nd.  If we are going to draft a RB it will be in the 4th or 5th round grabbing a guy like wynn, booker, walker, smith, or even take a chance on a small school guy like Wolfe.

by enut21 on Mar 10, 2007 8:22 AM PST reply actions  

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