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Yea the 49ers are 2-0, but...

We're two weeks into the season and while I am quite ecstatic to be 2-0, I have a feeling of wariness that I KNOW is shared by many of you.  There are two pieces of good news.  The first would be that this wariness is caused by heightened expectations, not seen in these parts for much of this decade.  In the last couple of years if this time had started 2-0 it would not have mattered at all how it happened.  The opposing QB could have accidentally booted the ball out of the end zone and we win 2-0 and I would be happy as a clam.  I'm still happy to be winning, but as a team improves, style points become a bit more expected.  Obviously a win is a win, but I'd like to live to see the end of the season.

The second bit of good news is that we know what the problems are with the team.  They are not mysteries to be figured out over the course of several months.  Rather, we know the offense is not performing up to expectations.  The bad news?  There has not been much of a correction to make this offense more effective.  In each game, the 49ers have had a single drive that was exactly what you'd expect from a good offense.  They would be the game-winning drive last Monday night and the first TD scoring drive yesterday.  In those drives Smith was stepping up into the pocket firing passes and in the case of yesterday's drive, getting some consistent ground gains from Frank Gore.  Obviously Gore had the big run for his second touchdown, but that was more because of him than on the offensive line.

I'm not going to go into detailed analysis about the offensive line because to be perfectly honest, that is not a strong suit of mine.  I've noticed some commentary on the subject by people and would prefer to leave it to those of you who know more than I do to discuss the o-line.  This allows me to beef up my knowledge on the subject, which is in part what this site is all about.  There is a lot of talk about Smith rolling out and taking advantage of his legs.  However, his best throws this season (aside from the toss to Hicks for the first down) have come when he was stepping up in the pocket and firing to his receivers.  While Smith has the arm strength to make throws off his back foot, he seems to lose some accuracy (I'll try and research more into specific numbers).  The good news though is that he is not trying to force bad throws and thus has no interceptions to this point.

Heading into Pittsburgh next week the 49ers clearly need an improved performance from the offense.  The defense may continue to impress, but it won't matter if we put up a goose egg.  The Steelers are the first legit defense we face this year and that team is clearly showing they'll be player in the AFC playoff race.  Arizona and St. Louis were both very winnable games going into them.  Before the season I thought Pittsburgh was very winnable as I was not sold on them.  I was just a wee bit wrong on that one as the Steelers are rolling right now.  If the 49ers perform like they did the last two weeks, this game will be impossible to win.  The 49ers will be lucky to get a couple field goals at most and as good as the defense has been, I don't think they can pitch the shutout.  Furthermore, they should not be expected to have to throw a shutout every time out.  This offense is better than this.  I agree that play-calling has been too vanilla, and that they need to open things up a little more.  

I don't buy the idea that they don't trust Alex Smith because Smith has PROVEN he can make the plays.  He has not reached the consistent level most of us would like, but there is no doubt he can make things happen with both his arm and his legs.  I agree that we don't need to be rolling out a gadget play every series.  Rather, why not mix in some draw plays to combat the rush and get Gore some yards?  I also think they need to stretch the field with the receivers more often.  And for goodness sake, GET ASHLEY LELIE ON THE FIELD!  Maybe he'll be completely useless and do nothing for this team.  However, he has a tremendously higher upside than Taylor Jacobs and I don't think that is even up for debate.  The team signed him because of the potential and he's not getting a chance to show it.  The only reasonable explanation is that he's in the doghouse.  I understand the need to use the doghouse on occasion, but this offense is so anemic that Nolan needs to be a little more forgiving.

Of course when Lelie has 3 drops next no catches next week, ignore everything I just said about him.

In the end, this is primarily the ramblings of a frustrated football fan.  I hate that we're 2-0 and I'm a little bummed out.  I'll go to my grave convinced that this offense is better than they've performed.

So, now that I've vented, let's be constructive and avoid calling for Hostler's head for now.  Rather, what do you think needs to be done on offense to break out?  Do you see specific plays that could break things open or do you just have a more general philosophy?  If you just want to say, run more draws and rollouts that's fine, but I (and most everybody else I assume) would love to hear your reasoning for whatever play-calling you suggest.  Let's assume you're some combination of Mike Nolan and Jim Hostler.  What do you do against the Steelers to get points on the board?

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This and that.
I, like you Fooch, believe that Alex Smith has shown plenty to have Nolan's confidence.  The playcalling was a lot different last year, with Smith (and the offense) running all kinds of plays that kept people off balance.  The question now is, what has changed, and what differences are there?

I guess I may as well call myself HostlerApoligist or something, because I don't think it's fair to call for his head, yet.  Nolan, now that he's fairly free from managing the defense seems to be VERY active in the offensive gameplan.  Conservativeness, discipline, doing your job, and all the like is what Nolan preaches.  So the current offensive gameplan just has Nolan written all over it.

The question is, what can the team (or anyone) do to develop and sustain better drives?  I think it all has to come from Nolan first.  Last year, he had the privilege of having one of the better offensive minds in the history of the game as his offensive coordinator.  Of course he's going to trust him (fairly right off the back) and open up the world to him.  This year, he's not opening up the playbook to Hostler.  It's almost like he may not be comfortable with Hostler (not Smith).  Perhaps he feels the team can win with HIS defense and slowly let Hostler gain his trust.

Everyone is calling for Hostler's head but Nolan.  He's actually praising the guy for his work thusfar.  That only tells me that Hostler is doing exactly what he was supposed to do.

In addition to general "opening" of the playbook (as a result of Nolan's trust for Hostler), the team will need to just plain execute better.  Draw plays don't necessarily work if the team is blitzing the gaps (unless you're fortunate enough to be running into a gap they aren't blitzing).  

Play-action (or fakes to Gore) are one step, but the receivers need to create separation and make themselves seen.  Separation (or lack thereof) is one of the downsides to having two "possession" type receivers starting in the base offense.

The team does call passing plays, but Smith ends up checking down most of the time.  Why is that?  What is it that Smith sees?  We can't criticize the performance of Alex unless we see what he sees.  Perhaps there's not much of an open window anywhere.  Of course Vernon's going to say he was open all day.  His interpretation of open and Smith's interpretation can be totally different.  Vernon may not see the safety that's shading him or the linebacker at the END of his route.

The team just needs to execute.  It starts up front with the line and making sure their one (or two) men are blocked well.  It goes to the backs and picking up blitzes.  Lastly, it goes to the wideouts (and tight ends) to create separation and make it be known they're open.

All of my rambling aside, I think the most important thing is for Nolan to allow Hostler to open up the playbook.  I don't know what it'll take to get there, but hopefully Hostler prepares two different game plans for the rest of the year (until then).  Who knows, maybe Nolan will decide that the team needs to open it up at half-time this week against the Steelers.  I hope Hostler will be ready for it.

by sfgfan on Sep 17, 2007 12:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

More on Nolan and Hostler
In this Contra Costa Times article, Nolan had this to say about that 4th-and-1 play that Frank busted wide open for a TD:
"That was coach (Jim) Hostler's call, by the way," a chipper Nolan said. "I called the third-down play. He called the fourth."

Just posting because it's another example of how I think Nolan is fiddling (if thats the right word for it) with the offense.

by sfgfan on Sep 17, 2007 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I question
Why Nolan would be calling offensive plays at all... I understand "directing" what kind of plays, but actually calling the plays seems like he's got his hands in a bit too far.
I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over. / My Blog, For Writers

by howtheyscored on Sep 17, 2007 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nolan IS involved...
maybe a bit too much.

According to news accounts, he instructed Hostler to keep it on the ground for that last ridiculous series.  I think this is further evidence of Nolan's conservative "afraid to lose" attitude at the end of games.  It will end up burning the Niners again, as it did in last year's Rams game (the notorious 4th and 1).  Ironically, I thought he made the right call in that game, but we're in for a lot of close losses if he continues in this mode.

We're spoiled here in Niner country.  Bill Walsh went for the throat, or as he would call it, "the knock out punch" ALL THE TIME.  Granted, he had the players to do it, but to see him take a shot at the end zone on the next play after a turnover was a beautiful thing.

Usually Faithful

by SpinMD on Sep 18, 2007 6:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

positives and bitching and moaning
This team is playing pretty solid defense so far against offenses much better than their own. Yesterday was a prototypical bend but don't break defense that came up with big sacks and turnovers when it had to. I can live with that, though eventually some team will break through, but that's alright. it's bound to happen.

Another intangible positive is that the team is learning how to win close games and games that it is trailing late. that is a good thing. It should help them later on this season.

Also, winning on the road during a short week is very difficult. Don't underestimate that fact.

Lastly, this team is winning in spite of its offense. Once things get rolling, i.e., Gore starts having big games and the passing game settles in, that's when this thing gets rolling because the defense will continue to get better.

The 49ers have a very tough schedule to start the season (Ari, @StL, @Pit, Sea, Balt) before the bye. I've thought that they needed at least 2 wins in those 5 games to be in good shape. They've go those 2 wins and now if they can steal one more, then they'll be in very good shape. Next week doesn't look like one of those games, but you never know. The following 2 are at home, which of course, increases the odds of a victory.

Bitching and moaning time:

As for the play-calling, draws don't work if you don't throw the ball. We saw that yesterday and the Rams weren't fooled one bit. Smith needs to be much more decisive with his passes and the receivers need to do a better job of getting open.

Yesterday was pathetic in that respect because the Rams were playing their 4th and 5th CBs. The play-calling definitely should have exploited that more. There should have been more 3 and 4 WR sets. I don't remember seeing one all game.

Also, David Baas isn't a TE on passing downs. He should only be employed that way in a short yardage/goal line package. If the WRs aren't getting open, then put Delanie Walker out there. He's a playmaker. Get him the ball. Same as the Disease. Why use a 6th pick on him to be a blocker? What a waste! Why pay Lelie all that money to ride the pine? There's a reason Taylor Jacobs couldn't cut it on the Redskins.

I don't know what to say about the O-line other than they need to play better. It isn't a personnel issue, but if they continue to play this poorly, it will be. There is some depth.

Lott's Prayer: Almost as many words as the Lord's Prayer, but the Lord wouldn't recognize any of them.

by Nosetackle Supreme on Sep 17, 2007 1:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

my take
Obviously, we should all be thrilled to start this season 2-0. It's been a LOOONG time since the Niners have been 2-0 and we should enjoy this ride while we can however, I like most of you am not at all happy with the quality of play this team has exhibited so far this season. Defensively they are much improved, they bent yesterday but did not break which is good.  They are creating turnovers (none bigger than Nate Clements punching the ball out of Holt's hand throuh the end zone for the touch back.) and giving the team a chance to hang around and win ball games.  

The offense on the other hand, has been awful. I've heard alot of people on KNBR bashing Alex Smith today but how is Alex to blame when they dont give him a chance to throw the ball? Those last two drives featured some awful play calling. 3rd and 6, run up the gut, 3rd and 11 in a spot where a first down ends the game, run up the gut. Hostler and more importantly Mike Nolan need to open up this offense.  Give Alex Smith a chance to roll out of the pocket where he is most comfortable and most effective. As Fooch mentioned, Ashley Lelie is the best and perhaps the only deep threat this team has...GET HIM ON THE FIELD!! Take s hot down field, throw one up and see what happens.

Another issue facing this team that I think could be huge is the issue of Vernon Davis' touches. We have seen Vernon has a little bit of TO in him in the past in terms of attitude. He is a guy that could become a malcontent and a huge distraction to this team if he doesnt get the ball more often. Now, Im not suggesting we get him the ball simply to keep him quiet, Im suggesting we get him the ball cause he can play!! He is a big target for Alex, he is too fast for a linebacker and to big for a safety as we saw yesterday when it took 4 guys to tackle him along the sideline.

I will be driving from Rhode Island to Piitsburgh (about 10 hours) this weekend to watch the game at Heinz Field and I wonder about this team's ability to defeat Pittsburgh. The Steelers have looked awesome in their first two games and the Niners have squeaked out two wins. If their offense plays this way against Pittsburgh relentless attacking defense, it could be a long day. Take advantage of the blitzes and use screens passes and quick slant routes to catch them over pursuing. These next 3 weeks are critical as they play three very difficult teams in Pittsburgh, Seattle and Baltimore, if they win 1 of these we should be content with a 3-2 start, anymore than one win in these next 3 would be awesome.

On a brighter note, to end the post, 2-0 is still 2-0.  They have won 2 games to start the year, both in the division and one on the road. As Fooch mentioned, these are games this team wouldnt have won last year. The future looks bright and it feels great to see us alone atop the standings, I dont care how we've played.

Superman wears Frank Gore pajamas

by Jayp849 on Sep 17, 2007 1:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Alex is not the issue...
As a football coach and an enormous Niners fan, here's my take.  While we all love a feel-good story...inexperienced coach gets his first crack at being the offensive coordinator, ultimately being heralded as one of the greatest young coordinator stories in the history of the NFL.  Ya, I don't think so. Not this round anyway.   It all comes down to this.  Hostler has what is known as a check down system implemented.  For example, Alex takes his normal 3 to 5 step drop and looks for the primary receiver.   If the primary guy is covered he looks for the next guy in line (thus the "check down" strategy), and then finally if he is covered then he will look for his third guy in the priority line (usually a RB out of the backfield) as the last beneficiary.  Here's the deal...Alex has ZERO time, and yes he has been holding on to the ball waaaayyyy too long, so he therefore is not being able to go through his progressions.  Additionally, and maybe the most important point to my ramble, Hostler has the receivers running too deep of routes.  By the time one may have an open window, Alex is already about to hit turf.   What we need faithful are "timing routes".  What ever happened to 3 to 5 step drops, setting your feet and throwing at your receivers break?????  Typically timing routes are what you do as an offensive coordinator when your receivers are being covered well.  Couple last points: 1. Let Alex roll out more.  It is obvious that this is his comfort zone, especially when the defense comes with center blitz packages; 2.  GET VERNON THE BALL! And lastly, 3. Is it just me or does Tully B. look like the slowest guy on the field...oh my god!  I'm sorry but you look at him and you can tell he doesn't know how to eat properly as a professional athlete.  The guy has two faces for cry'n-out-loud!  He has a lot of nerve bragging about his "rushing talents" in training camp.  It's no wonder why the Patriots were so comfortable letting him go.  

by CoachDan on Sep 17, 2007 2:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Patriots
They're pretty much comfortable letting anyone go.  It's the way they're designed by Belichick.  Get guys that are interchangeable, so no one can develop a big head.  

I haven't really noticed a difference in speed between he and the rest of the 49ers D.  You can't really measure speed on the field, especially in the trenches.  Pass rushing LBs (which is what Banta-Cain's main operative is here in San Francisco) don't just pick a spot and rush.  They have to read, react, and attack (as they're the secondary, or primary, line of defense against a running play).  That makes their first couple of steps a lot slower.

I think he's done a pretty good job from that OLB spot the first two games.  During the Cardinal game, he was always in/around the QB when the QB was pressured or sacked.  He's putting some good pressure on the QB, considering he's usually working from the blind-side of the QB (with the -usually- better pass-blocking tackle).

by sfgfan on Sep 17, 2007 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where to start...
First I want to point out that I watched yesterday's game on the internet, which as many of you know can be quite frustrating at times.  But considering the game was not on my dish here, I was happy enough to see my Niners pull out another victory.  Anyway, until I see a replay of the game on NFL network, I will not have an in-depth analysis of game 2.  

That said, it is still pretty obvious to me what is happening/needs to happen.  As sfgfan pointed out, it may not be Hostler's fault that our offense is so anemic.  Nolan may be putting his funk on the playcalling.  All men responsible for our offensive playcalling - Alex, Nolan, Hostler - these guys need to get together and they need to do it quick.

Alex: I start to wonder if he is our guy.  I still believe he is, but thoughts that he isn't are starting to enter my head.  He needs to trust his teammates more.  He needs to trust their route-running, he needs to trust the pass-protection.  Too many times in the first two games did I see him tuck the ball and look for a way out of the pocket.  Nolan and Hostler need to get him more plays rolling out, but they also need to get him to calm down and throw in the pocket more often.

Nolan: I liked your conservative style when we were rebuilding our team.  Your steady, straight-forward nature became a beacon for our team to rally around.  Now comes the time when you need to make your legacy.  Things are starting to fall in place the way you forsaw, now it is time to get this team up to the elite level.

Hostler:  You are not Norv Turner.  Are you looking at plays from last year and just calling them over again?  You need to understand why you are calling the plays you are calling, and if Nolan is holding you back, then you need to not be afraid to step on his toes to get the job done.  

Okay, now that I have that out of my system here is what I see:

Offensive line:  Hasn't quite been what we expected.  I actually like Joe Staley too.  He has been solid for a rookie.  And once Kwame was out, I thought we were finally there.  Well I was wrong.  These guys they need to get more cohesive, they need to do a better job. Period.  Give time to Alex to make plays...make holes for Frank...

Playcalling:  THIS IS NOT MADDEN '08!!!  When teams are keying on Frank, then call some playaction.  When teams are blitzing like crazy, call a screen.  When you call a draw, make sure you have the right defensive look.  Alex needs to read defenses better, but this is not his fault.  AND THROW THE FUCKING BALL DOWNFIELD.  That is the ONLY way to keep defenses honest.  It is kinda like in baseball, if you can't hit a homerun, then a pitcher will not be afraid of throwing certain pitches to you.  We need to throw the ball downfield more than ONCE PER FUCKING GAME!!!  I cannot stress that enough, hence the caps.  Vernon Davis runs a mid 4's 40, so when he says he is open, I gotta believe him.  Who cares if a defender is 5 yards away, throw him the ball.  Let him make plays.  Use him as a reciever, he is as big, strong and fast as some of the best recievers in the game, so don't give me some fucking excuse like the protection happened to break down on that particular play.  Call more plays to Vernon...and not just for my fantasy league.  Run more two-TE sets.  And I want to see Alex throw it up to 1 on 1 coverage more often.  We have big, physical recievers.  Let them go get the ball.  Try throwing the ball to Lelie 40 yards downfield twice in a row.  See what happens to a defense.  See if they continue to load 8 guys in the box.  We have got to make life easier for our best offensive playmaker: Frank "The Tank" Gore.

We came into this year with more offensive weapons, we got rid of our worst lineman and inserted a young stud, and we are absolutely anemic offensively.  This will not stand, so get it right or get out of the way so someone else can.  Who would've thought that our offense and defense would do complete 180's?

As for Pittsburgh, they will be tough.  Just like Fooch, I kinda counted them out at the beginning of the season.  And now they are one of our tougher games.  But we still have a good chance to beat them.  What's that?  You don't believe me?  I am a full believer in what our defense has been doing this year.  Try and convince me Rothelesberger is a better QB than Bulger.  Try and convince me that Willie Parker is a better RB than Steven Jackson.  Try and convince me that Santonio Holmes is a better WR than Fitzgerald, Boldin or Holt.  Try and convince me that their wins over the Browns and the Bills carry ANY weight at all.  No, you will not be able to convince me of any of this...which is why we will have a chance to win the game.  Of course, just like the last few weeks, it will come down to our offense.  If there is a week to open up ALL of the plays in our playbook, this is such a week.

by BawLa on Sep 17, 2007 3:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Believe
Don't get me wrong, I do believe that this team can pull it out this Sunday.  I don't know if I could really justify it (as most signs are pointing otherwise), but it's that "fan" kind of belief.  I always believe this team can win, they just have to go out and out-execute the other team.

I agree with you that Ben Roethlisberger is by no means better than Bulger.  It's obvious that Willie Parker is no Steven Jackson.  Ov course Santonio Holmes isn't better than Fitty, Boldin or Holt.  But when it comes to the game of football, you have to look at the team as a whole.  On the whole, the Steelers are one of the most balanced teams out there.  They have a (in some circles) a top 5 fantasy running back.  They have a QB with a rocket arm that understands his role with the team: to not be a superhero, but to just manage it.  They have a pair of wideouts that compliment each other really well, with Ward being the possession type guy, and Holmes (trying) to keep people honest).  The thing that really holds their offense together is their offensive line.  They are (basically) as solid as it gets in this league.

Their defense is definitely better than the Cardinals' and probably worlds better than the Rams' defenses.  They have one of the best 8th-in-the-box safeties in the league.  They have big and gritty linemen.  Their linebackers, regardless of who is back there, are very active and are ALWAYS in the mix.  The back end of the defense is solid enough (considering the front seven) to not make themselves look bad.

The Steelers are a very solid team.  They aren't spectacular, but as the Cardinals and Rams have proven, you probably won't have to be to beat the 49ers.  Jackson and the Rams are hurting on the offensive line, and it made it difficult for him to get rolling.  The Steelers don't have such issues.  Parker is a good back that knows how to get it done in that offense.

So yeah, it's understandable for people believe that this is a no-win situation for this team.  Unless the 49ers' offense helps out with some solid possessions, the defense will get pounded and thrown off balance by the second half.  Despite all of this, though, I still believe the team can win.  I still believe Nolan (and Co.) have it in them to gameplan against these guys (the Steelers).  I guess it's just the type of fan I am: believing this team can do something it hasn't shown it could really do (with any kind of consistency).

by sfgfan on Sep 17, 2007 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get Vernon the ball!!
First of all let me say I am thrilled to be 2-0. That being said I have been baffled by Vernon Davis's lack of opportunities in the offense. It seems to me that outside of handing the ball off to Gore the 49ers second option should be Davis. The guy creates major mismatches with his speed and size and would be an easy target for Smith. He is obviously faster then most linebackers so I just do not understand his lack of roll in the offense. I heard all these rave reviews about Davis in training camp and he has barely been thrown in the first 2 games. I feel the offense cannot click until the 49ers can get Davis going.

by billwalsh4ever on Sep 17, 2007 3:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Never forget its 2-0
The 49ers could have been scoring 50+ and 0-2.  What would you rather have?  Its been pretty ugly but they are two over .500, first time since probably 2000.  Let's take it.  2 years ago, they were 2-14.  Smith looks bad now, but remember the strike he threw to Battle to get to the goal line last week.  That was a quality throw at a must-have time, the throw of a winner.  Smith will be fine.  

Watch them rock the world next week in Pittsburg (hopefully).

by Gene18Wash on Sep 17, 2007 3:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think
I think it's throws like that that have most people frustrated.  Most people think Smith is completely capable of making those throws often, or he at least deserves the chance to prove otherwise.  The key is, they want Smith to have the opportunity to make those plays throughout the game, not just during a last gasp drive.  At least, that's what I want.
Fire Conservative Playcalling Now.

by marcello on Sep 17, 2007 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
You guys type a lot.  How do I get my keyboard to do that?

Anyways, did anyone else dislike the timeout at the end of the game?  To me, I thought it was a poor choice.  If he makes the field goal, that's a timeout we would need for our attempted game-winning drive.  Plus, it made it so the Rams didn't have to hurry a long kick.  Granted he missed, but by what, a few feet?  Making Wilkins rush a kick that long seems like a better strategy, at least to me.  Given that Nolan is fiddling (an appropriate choice of words by sfgfan above) with the offensive play calling his mind might not be entirely into game management (just like last year when he took over the defensive play calling).   Anyways, just something I was thinking about.

Fire Conservative Playcalling Now.

by marcello on Sep 17, 2007 3:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't remember
How much time was actually on the clock, but I heard in KNBR it was running out and without the timeout the Rams would have likely been stuck with a delay of game. If that's the case they would have been out of field goal range and would have gone for it on fourth down - which, the way they were throwing the ball, they had a good chance of converting...

Am I saying this is what was going through Nolan?team's head when the timeout was called? Nah. No. Nope. But if it is the case, it may have inadvertently saved the win by keeping them from having another chance to get inside Wilkins's range.

I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over. / My Blog, For Writers

by howtheyscored on Sep 17, 2007 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The real reason to not use it?
The Niners needed it on their next drive! If Wilkins makes the kick, SF has 50 seconds or so to get into field goal range. Being able to work the deep middle of the field would be a huge asset, since they'd probably only need 2-3 significant gains to get into Nedney's range.

I think St. Louis would have gotten the play off in time, although I'd have to look at the replay again to be sure.

It doesn't matter if you get there if you don't know where you're going.

by Zagarna on Sep 17, 2007 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh no
I don't disagree. That's just the only explanation I've heard except for "the defense was confused" that makes any sense at all, even if it's not a lot.
I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over. / My Blog, For Writers

by howtheyscored on Sep 17, 2007 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree, somewhat.
We've been calling Nolan a conservative coach throughout this thread (me being probably the most guilty commenter), I agree with this call and actually think it was the more aggressive call.  I understand what you're saying, though.  The team MAY have needed the timeout IF Wilkins makes the longest field goal he's attempted in almost 10 years.  I get that.

However, consider this.  The defense would have been rushed to the line, thinking St. Louis was going to kick a field goal for sure.  People may not have had their heads on straight, and St. Louis may have actually ran a fake (somewhat unlikely, but we've seen the Rams do goofier things over the years).  Nolan burned the timeout to make sure the team wins the game NOW.  He wanted to make sure the defense (or special teams unit) were comfortable, in position, and to know what to expect.  Basically, he wanted to make sure everyone was on the same page.

If the Rams had ended up pulling a fake and getting the first down, everyone would have said "well, why didn't Nolan call a timeout if the defense wasn't ready?"  It's like that 4th-and-1 last season.  Damned if he did and damned if he didn't.

by sfgfan on Sep 18, 2007 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree to disagree...
I really don't think that was it at all.  It looked like an old-fashioned icing to me.  And it worked.

If we got the ball back with 50 seconds, 1 timeout is not going to make or break us.  Especially considering the fact that we haven't exactly put up 40 pts/game.  

Nolan was going all in that they miss the FG and the best way to help that is to ice their kicker right after they line up.  

by BawLa on Sep 18, 2007 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to this...
... blog entry from Matt Maiocco:
Hey, we all make mistakes. Someone questioned why Nolan called a timeout before the Rams attempted that final field goal. I said I agreed with the decision because the 49ers needed to stop the clock in case Jeff Wilkins made the kick. Great theory, I thought. But upon watching the game, I saw that Isaac Bruce ran out of bounds on the previous play to already stop the clock. The 49ers called timeout because there was confusion whether the Rams were going to go for it. They wanted to get the correct personnel on the field.

My theory was somewhat correct, to some degree, sort of kind of.

by sfgfan on Sep 18, 2007 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lots of thoughtful comments here
and I appreciate it.

I think that Nolan's ideal kind of quarterback is the guy sitting on the bench, Trent Dilfer. He looks to the Ravens model as the way to get to success. It's all about the risk-reward ratio. Just listen to his press conferences. The ONLY time that he took the reins off the offense was when he was behind in the last three minutes of the Arizona game. He had to! I suspect if the Niners are winning or close against Pittsburgh that he'll continue playing it close. The best chance of seeing a real functioning passing game is for the Niners to fall behind substantially. Unfortunately, those are the circumstances for the offense to fail.

Everything that people point out here is true. The O-line isn't pushing anyone this year, there is no variety or trickery in the game. I was surprised that the breakdown for first down plays over the first two games for the Niners was 22-20 runs to passes. It seemed that every time I looked it was a run.

Here's a thought: How about splitting out Vernon and using him as wide receiver once in awhile? He's faster than the two starting wide receivers and creates an incredible mismatch. If nothing else, it might loosen up the box for that next handoff to Gore.

by Bob In Pacifica on Sep 17, 2007 3:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

22-20????
Must be a data entry mistake...

I couldn't agree more about Vernon as a WR.  Put him in the slot with Delanie Walker as the blocking TE.  (you could send Lelie and DJax deep and have VD go right over the middle on a post route)  Surely VD is a better option than our 3rd receiver.  

by BawLa on Sep 17, 2007 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They were actually
9-9 rushing-passing on first down. Then, of course, they were like 100-0 rushing-passing on second down. This forced them to pass almost every time third down because it was third and long so often.

So I believe it. Even splits on first down, with heavy rushing on second down forcing heavy passing on third down evens out the breakdown a surprising amount. It is, however, about the only way a balanced attack by the nubers could possibly be misleading.

I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over. / My Blog, For Writers

by howtheyscored on Sep 17, 2007 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds about right...
You don't want to be running a lot on 3rd down, especially if you FAIL on your 2nd-and-8 over predictable pass play.  

We need to just mix it up more.  Pass or run multiple times in a row.  Pass on first down to open up a 2nd-and-short so you can take a shot downfield and still be able to move the chains on 3rd down if your shot fails.

Basically we need to be an offense that attacks a defense, versus a prototypical running offense that accompanies a 3-4 defense.  You can attack a defense and still manage the clock well.  Especially when you have Alex Smith, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Darrell Jackson, Arnaz Battle and Co.

by BawLa on Sep 17, 2007 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Conservative Nolan
In Matt Maiocco's most recent blog entry, he discusses the "conservative" flag and has Nolan's reactions to it.

The point that explains it all to me (and one that I agree with), is his response to questions about his confidence in Alex Smith because of all the running plays called at the end of the game:

"Take, for example, against Arizona. We had to go win it, so we let Alex take it down the field and that's what he did. This week we were already ahead," Nolan said. "For me to say we're going to go for the win when we're already up by one and all we need is a first down to kick a field goal with the potential to stop the clock against someone who is trying to burn (timeouts), that's taking it out of the players' hands.

"It would've been exciting to throw a bomb and score a touchdown, but I'll take a one-point victory over the excitement that it might get you."

They would have had a first down, easily, if Frank's 8-yard run hadn't been negated by a penalty.  If they had gotten that first down, the game would have been over (with the Rams having no timeouts and the 49ers in field goal range anyway).

by sfgfan on Sep 17, 2007 3:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thoughts
  1. I don't think this OL  can pass block.  I give them credit on run blocking since they could do it last year.  If running game doesn't pick up in a game or two though...
  2. Smith has really not shown much.
  3. I cannot believe that the play calling is taking Davis out of the picture.  I also sincerely doubt Alex Smith hates him.  So, either his routes are too deep for Smith to have time to throw to him, or he's not getting open.  Would love to see a report by someone who is good at reading film and had lots of time on their hands to review this issue.
  4. The play calling is conservative... but I think we will find out if that is really the problem next week in Pittsburgh.  There's NO WAY they can win the game with that offense, unless they are like +4 in takeaways.

by zenbitz on Sep 17, 2007 4:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My only addendum
Would come to 2). So, 2a) Smith hasn't had many chances to show stuff.

Except on Third and Long, which... just doesn't seem like the greatest down situation to judge Alex on.

I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over. / My Blog, For Writers

by howtheyscored on Sep 17, 2007 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it Smith?
And yet it seems that OTHER teams don't have much trouble with 3rd-and-long against us...

I'm not a Smith hater, but they have attempted 48 passes and 50 runs.  Last year they had 444 passes and 439 runs.  So it's not like he has had NO opportunity...

I am not really ready to blame the play calling - the fact is, they have been unable to run or pass the ball.  Not running fails to set up the pass and vice versa, or whatever.

Last year he was nothing special either, and that was with an effective running game!

I mean, I want to like the guy - and he doesn't make rookie mistakes, but look at it this way:

He is on a team with:

  1. A pro bowl RB
  2. Some decent receivers
  3. An defense good enough to keep them in games
  4. An OL that was a strength as recently as 2006
Time to step up and play, kid.

by zenbitz on Sep 18, 2007 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Play-action, play-action, play-action!
If I had a chance to beat Jim Hostler over the head with a salmon and instill one thought in his mind, that would be it. Teams are going all-in to stop Frank Gore. Frankly (NPI), I can't blame them for this-- you can't let him get to the second level of the defense, or he'll make them look foolish with his footwork and evasive ability.

But the Squared Sevens haven't been making teams pay for this. The defense is set up to be burned on deep passes when they stack 8 and even 9 men in the box, as I saw St. Louis doing yesterday. There were plays on which no defender was more than 10 yards from the line of scrimmage.

I'll concur with the general assessment that the O-line has been terrible to this point. On the rare occasions that Smith gets time, he usually throws a strike. The biggest problem I've noticed is that they're giving so much ground to the pass rush that a. the pocket is too small for Smith to work comfortably in, and b. when a defender does get through, he's on Smith instantly.

Meanwhile, they're getting knocked around in run-blocking situations. Maybe Allen is just too old to be effective anymore.

But overall, the 49ers have got to stretch the field a little more with play-action and deep passes. I haven't seen gameplans this conservative since Richard Nixon phoned in a play during Super Bowl VI.

It doesn't matter if you get there if you don't know where you're going.

by Zagarna on Sep 17, 2007 5:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm always tickled
When somebody at McCoveyChronicles prefaces a statement with the word "granted," and I wasn't sure I'd see anything like that here... I mean... what, "fooched?"...

But now every time I see "frankly," I can take solace in the knowledge.

I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over. / My Blog, For Writers

by howtheyscored on Sep 17, 2007 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re; I'm always tickled
What the hell is McCoveyChronicles?  I have never heard of such a site.

by groug on Sep 18, 2007 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, Sorry
I meant the MontanaMonologues! It's another 49er blog, but it's run by this guy whose handle is "Granted." It's alright. There's a lot of Vagina Monologue crossover is the only thing...
I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over. / My Blog, For Writers

by howtheyscored on Sep 18, 2007 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Salmon
I'd go for a carp, myself, but I share your feelings.

Academic studies have concluded that a loss of cash feels about twice as bad as a gain of the same amount.  How they go about measuring intensity of feelings, I don't know.  Maybe a hand through tile rather than plaster board?

I think the same thing applies in spades for a coach.  Nolan is playing "not to lose."

Now, on the surface, that might seem ok, but dig a little deeper.  What happens is that the offense gets experience with "not losing," when a truly successful team needs experience at "winning."

by Roger from SF on Sep 17, 2007 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slap him with the Coelecanth!
WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT!?!
I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over. / My Blog, For Writers

by howtheyscored on Sep 17, 2007 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

IRC?
/me slaps HowTheyScored with a large trout.

by sfgfan on Sep 18, 2007 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

AC/GC
I'm really cut up over how to make a pun out of that.
I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over. / My Blog, For Writers

by howtheyscored on Sep 18, 2007 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So how do you beat the Steelers?
From where I'm sitting it seems like an impossibility, but there must be some plan at 49er headquarters to try to win. So if you were Nolan, and given you were Nolan, what would you do to beat Pittsburgh?

I'm sure it would involve ball control. But in order to control the ball, they have to execute better, and make more first downs. Which means that the offense has to take more chances just to run a conservative ball control offense.

by Bob In Pacifica on Sep 18, 2007 7:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To beat the Steelers...
... you'll have to play like the Steelers.  What I mean by that is the 49ers HAVE to control the Steelers' offense the way their defense will likely control the 49ers' offense.  There really isn't much of another way.

With the 49ers two starting CBs (or three if you want to count Spencer, which I do), they should easily be able to man up and shut down the Steelers' two WRs.  With that said, the team should be able to bring Michael Lewis in to the box (where he excels) to help lock down Parker.  If the Steelers throw from the 2TE set, Lewis and Lawson should be able to cover their two TEs.

All I'm saying is that this defense can possibly shut down the Steelers' offense.  If they can accomplish that, they can hope for Gore to do it "all" on offense, again.  If there were a week to open up the playbook, though, this would be it.  The Steelers have no idea what else the 49ers have under their sleeves (if anything) other than the "run, run, screen, punt" scenarios.  It'd definitely throw them off, at least for a half.

by sfgfan on Sep 18, 2007 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From reading this...
... blog entry from Matt Maiocco, I think another thing the team needs to do is make sure they catch the balls thrown to them.
While, Smith unquestionably held the ball too long on most of those sacks, I was surprised at how accurately he threw the ball - even the deep ball.

Here's how he opened the game: 11-yard pass to Arnaz Battle that was called back by Jonas Jennings facemask penalty; perfectly thrown ball 40 yards down the field that Darrell Jackson dropped; pass under pressure to Frank Gore that was dropped. On the Gore play, it looked from the TV tape that he was bottled up pretty well. I'm told on the coaches' film, if Gore catches that ball, all he has to do is make one inside cut, and he has clear sailing for a long, long time.

Smith could have easily started the game with eight consecutive completions for well more than 100 yards if others had done their jobs. His first incomplete pass came when he threw it away in the vicinity of Frank Gore because of a strong rush.

by sfgfan on Sep 18, 2007 12:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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