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Niners Nation Scouting Report: Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan


Dave over at Maize n Brew was kind enough to put together a preview of Mario Manningham, a wide receiver projected to be drafted by the 49ers in many draft previews.  I know many people here are not the biggest fans of Manningham, but Dave certainly is.  He received a couple requests for info on Manningham so he posted his preview at the link above and also forwarded along the html.  So we've got some video footage, as well as some interesting analysis of Manningham.  Thanks to Dave for putting this together for us.



Without a doubt, Mario Manningham is the most electrifying wide receiver in this year's NFL draft. No one even comes close. Manningham is a game breaker. The kind of weapon most teams dream of drafting, but only a few actually have the opportunity to do so. Any team that drafts this guy is getting the best pure deep threat since Randy Moss.

The Stats

(Editor's Note: I had some difficulty with the table Dave put together so this is a little less formal looking)

  1. 27 rec., 433 yards, 6 TDs
  2. 38 rec., 703 yards, 9 TDs
  3. 72 rec., 1174 yards, 12 TDs
A Little Background

Super Mario made his first real impact on the Michigan consciousness in 2005. You know what happened.

Since that catch he's been looked upon as one of the best receivers to don a Michigan uniform. Many Michigan fans are willing to put him up there with AC, Desmond and Braylon because of his ability light up a scoreboard and a defensive back. He's a special talent we've been able to hoard for ourselves these past three years, and now we're ready to share him with the rest of you.

Looking at the numbers during Mario's brief stay at Michigan might seem a little underwhelming. Statistically, his first really big year on the sheet was 2007. What the stats don't tell you was Manningham weighed about 18 pounds as a true freshman. They don't tell you just how bad the Michigan line was in 2005 or in 2007. They don't tell you Manningham was injured for half of 2006 when he put up 9 touchdowns and 700+ yards. They don't tell you that Mario's numbers this year came with all the turmoil in the program, the (unintentional) rotating quarterback, and a myriad of injuries and off the field issues.

Manningham posted 12 TD's this season with Chad Henne being shelved for four games and a freshman taking over. He averaged 16.3 yards a catch, despite having the best corner on the opposing defense across from him every down.

He's the guy you have to watch every play. The guy that goes out the night before and aces the final the next day. The guy that's always in the right place at the right time. He has the unique ability to change the game simply by his presence on the field. He's the best receiver in the draft. Period.

Strengths

Put the ball out there. Anywhere. He'll run under it.

I don't necessarily ejoy using hyperbole to describe a person's talents, but in Mario's case it seems necessary. It's weird. Manningham, when you clock him, isn't blow your doors off fast. But in pads its like he's on a whole other plane of existence.  He just has that extra gear in a way that no one in Michigan uniform has ever had. I know that's a bold statement, but it's a fact. He has tremendous acceleration from a dead stop and can blow through a seam before you blink.  But where he's fastest is 10 yards past the line of scrimmage. When he makes a catch on a route, he kicks in the afterburner. You're simply not going to catch him. He's that fast with the ball in the air or in his hands.

One of the reasons he's such a potent deep threat is the array of moves, hip and head fakes in his arsenal that send DB's off on wild goose chases while he sprints toward the endzone. He possesses excellent deceleration to complement his outstanding speed. He can stop on a dime, catch the ball, and turn the jets back on in an instant. That deceleration buys him as much precious space as his double moves and head fakes.

When he's locked in tight coverage, while he's not a strong as some other greats to go through Michigan, he finds ways to make space. Whether it's with a subtle hip bump or extra length in a stride, he creates ways to distance himself from the opposing corner to make the catch. Though he's not a shake and bake player, he has incredible body control and can make adjustments to the ball while he's in the air. He's also got very strong hands. You can't make the catches he makes without them.

One of his greatest attributes is his ability to raise his game in the red zone. Mario constantly finds ways to get open or make a big play when his team is within sight of the endzone. He doesn't shy away from contact within the twenty, and will run you over to get into the endzone. Which is saying something when you don't reach two bills on the scales. If the ball is anywhere near the goal line Manningham wants it. And he wants it now dammit.

Weaknesses

It's tough to say this, but Manningham's biggest weakness is that he was prone to disappearing and sulking when things weren't going his way. The worst example of this was Manningham screaming at freshman quarterback Ryan Mallett during the third quarter of Michigan's loss to Wisconsin in 2007. Let's just say he's a tad mercurial.

He also can pick strange times to have lapses in concentration. This year's Ohio State game saw a slew of dropped passes at critical points in the contest. But I chock that up to the corner and quarterback play during that game as the bulk of the reason for his performance. Where Manningham struggled the most against nasty, physical corners. One of those corners was Wisconsin's Jack Ikegwuonu who just declared for the draft and should immediately be drafted by Manningham's division rival.

If you want to throw Manningham off-kilter, smack him around a little bit. His least productive game in 2006 was against Ikegwuonu, and save a 97 yard screen pass he was shut down in 2007 too. One thing Manningham didn't see a lot of was press coverage. He had a lot of clean releases in college and it may take him some time to adjust.

Blocking isn't going to be a strong suit either. Manningham is 6'0", 187 pounds. Don't expect him to block Roy Williams downfield at any point. Get in his way? Maybe. But don't count on Mario to pancake anyone.  

Finally, Manningham does not like contact short of the goal line. He's not going to blindly go over the middle. If he thinks a hit is coming he'll pull off the route from time to time. I can think of numerous occasions against OSU and Wisconsin where he let up on a pass to avoid a big hit.

Thoughts on the Future

Despite the above, I really like Manningham and believe he has a bright future. The key will be his adjustment to the NFL lifestyle. He's going to have to work harder than he ever has while trying not to get too caught up in his own hype. The danger will be a coach trying to change Manningham into an over-the-middle guy to teach him some toughness. That's simply not going to work. He's not that guy. At 187-190, he'll spend his entire career on IR if a coach does that to him.

No, the key is to get him into space or into the gaps in a zone. Hit him with a screen or two. Let him use his speed to get open and stretch a defense. That's where he'll be most effective.

I think Manningham's going to be a two-three year project. It's going to take a coach to light a fire under his ass to get the most out of him. He's also going to have to grow up physically to deal with the rigors of the 16 game NFL schedule. Once he learns a system, and how to read and react to NFL defenses, I think he can be dominant.

He's not going to out jump people like Braylon. He's not going to outwork people like Muhsin.  He going to outrun them. The key is to let him.



Thanks again to Dave at Maize n Brew for this thorough report on Mario Manningham. As to my non-Michigan fan opinion?  I personally think Manningham is a guy with a lot of talent, but a bit of a head case in the way sulking and whatnot.  While I think we need receivers, I'd rather use that first pick for o-line and d-line help.  If Manningham were there in the second round, he's certainly a consideration, but I'm still not sure.  We'll see how he proceeds through the pre-draft process.  No worries yet about me latching on to him as "my guy" in the draft like Jay Moore!

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Great analysis
It seems to be really difficult to translate most players from college to the pros.  This seems particularly true of quarterbacks and wide receivers.  So what could we really expect of Manningham against NFL cornerbacks?  Will he have the speed and moves to get open?  Or would they eat him alive?  To me, it seems like there's a couple red flags in Dave's scouting report that would concern me.

Then again, maybe offensive guru Mike Martz will know how to best utilize him.  And I like Dave's comment that he's a 2-3 year project.  It seems like it's a very very rare receiver indeed who isn't, but more often than not, expectations are set way too high.  If he comes to the Niners as a project player, that might be a very good thing for everyone.

Thinking of giving up sports and taking up heavy drinking.

by Drunken Miller on Jan 30, 2008 9:06 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fooch
I am not happy about this.

by methodrampage on Jan 30, 2008 11:02 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?
You think he's sneaking into my subconscious and it will screw us in the draft?  I promise he won't be my 2008 Jay Moore.
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by Fooch on Jan 30, 2008 11:04 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm going to hold you to that.
Manningham is a one trick pony.  Manningham seems like a headcased pansy.  How hard is it going to be for NFL teams to shut down a reciever that will never go across the middle?  He'll be useless in the red zone.  I'll pass, there's more important things to look for in a reciever than pure speed.

by methodrampage on Jan 30, 2008 11:52 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Manningham = Lelie?
Would you agree with that comparison?
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by Fooch on Jan 30, 2008 11:55 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not so Fast
No pun intended on the title.  The difference to me is that Lelie is overall bigger which allows him to be more effective in the red zone.  He has the height to be effective on a corner fad and has shown a willingness go across the middle (at least the deep middle) and was an above average blocker with Denver.  These are all things I don't see Manningham bringing to the team.

by wader251 on Jan 30, 2008 12:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More or less
In an oversimplified way.  It would seem that their strengths and weaknesses are pretty much on par with eachother.  Lelie does have like 3 inches on Manningham which one would hope to help him in the redzone.  If we've already have a guy who can stretch the field in Lelie what's the point of taking Manningham?

by methodrampage on Jan 30, 2008 12:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh no...
... let's not waste a high draft pick on a WR like Manningham.  He'll be a decent posession receiver in the NFL, but nothing more than that.  Why?  You said it above: "If you want to throw Manningham off-kilter, smack him around a little bit."

When a WR comes to the NFL, getting smacked around is something that happens every week.

I'd much rather have a solid route runner like DeSean Jackson.

by jaytierney on Jan 31, 2008 9:20 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really disagree.
"This year's Ohio State game saw a slew of dropped passes at critical points in the contest"--Translation: He doesn't show up in big time games versus big time players.  OSU was THE game all of these UM kids were thinking of all year, it was at HOME, and Manningham disappeared.  Even if you get Randy Moss' talent with this guy (which you don't) if he plays like Randy Moss in Oakland(uninspired, sulking, walking through the motions), you get a waste of a 1st rounder.

OSU played mostly zone all year so you can't just chalk it up to Malcom Jenkins being a badass (Jenkins also moved to safety a lot this year, and wouldn't have covered Manningham every down 1 on 1).

This kid had big stats against Purdue, Northwestern, Minnesota, Oregon and Wisconsin.  Note that 97 of his 113 yards against Wisconsin came on a screen pass (and that he had only 2 more catches in that game) and you can pretty much eliminate that game as "big".  Do any of you know any 1st day NFL picks playing corner for Minnesota, Northwestern, or Purdue?  I don't either.  All three of those teams are terrible.  Northwestern lost to DUKE. DUKE! Oregon is good, but as far as I know none of their corners are going on Day 1 this year either.  Plus, that's only one game.

Maybe he is fast downfield, and maybe he will parlay that into a successful NFL career, but SURELY the 49ers can pass on a WR who may or may not make it in the 1st round.  Do you really want another receiver who always wants the ball and sulks when he doesn't get it to line up alongside Vernon Davis?  He can't block, he can't get off of a jam, he is 178lbs, and he isn't blazing fast...a poor man's Ted Ginn at best.

Do you really trust a guy who says:

"Without a doubt, Mario Manningham is the most electrifying wide receiver in this year's NFL draft. No one even comes close. "

Really? DeSean Jackson doesn't even come close?  Hasn't he lit it up all year long and doesn't he also return punts and kicks--for TDs?  If you are going to pick one guy with your 1st rounder who probably won't be able to block in the NFL, doesn't run the best of routes, and is a little less physical than you would like, don't you want it to at least be the fast one? (the fast one being Jackson)

"The danger will be a coach trying to change Manningham into an over-the-middle guy to teach him some toughness." Can the niners really be that selective in their offense?  At this point, if the QB has enough time to find someone open and actually get them the ball, they can't be thinking about whether or not their precious, fragile WR is going over the middle or not.  In the NFL you need to run your routes and catch the ball, period.

I would be really upset to see this guy get drafted by the niners in the 1st.

by thatboylookslikerufio on Feb 1, 2008 10:49 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To be fair to one of your last points
DeSean Jackson had a really pedestrian year in 2007, and also had a case of the "disappears for long stretches of time."

In 2006 he was ridiculous, though.

I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over.

by howtheyscored on Feb 2, 2008 10:53 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As a Cal fan...
I would say that the reason he disappeared in some games this season was more a result of Longshore's declining play at quarterback (largely due to injury) than anything else.  He also made some sick plays, such as the go-ahead touchdown against Oregon.  I've been saying this for months, but I'll say it again: if we can possibly get Jackson in the late first round, it's going to prove to be an absolute steal (otherwise I don't think we should use any of our early picks on a WR).

by jaytierney on Feb 2, 2008 11:40 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree
I do agree that his disappearance had more to do with declining QB play than with anything else, but the production itself was still surprisingly low, especially considering the elevated play and production of Lavelle Hawkins (which may also have something to do with Jackson getting fewer looks, possibly).
I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over.

by howtheyscored on Feb 2, 2008 12:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess I didn't mean Jackson has a better attiude
I'm just sayin' he is at least close to as electrifying as Manningham.  To claim that no receiver coming out this year is anywhere close to as electrifying as Manningham (like the Michigan guy did) is preposterous.  I agree though, there is no way Jackson drops to us.

There is a WR out of Houston who might drop to us in the 3rd round and has reportedly run a 4.31.  I'll take that guy please.

by thatboylookslikerufio on Feb 4, 2008 10:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually...
While I completely agree with what you're saying, DeSean Jackson's strength is that he IS a good route runner, which is key for success in the NFL.  I would LOVE to see him end up in SF, it would make every punt and kick-off return a lot more exciting.

by jaytierney on Feb 2, 2008 11:38 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I only get to see his highlights in the midwest.
All the better.  He is definitely faster than Manningham, so if he runs better routes it's only a bonus.

by thatboylookslikerufio on Feb 3, 2008 8:54 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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