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Twas the night before.....: 49ers Free Agency Rumor Mill/Wish List Open Thread

With free agency kicking off in less than 24 hours (Thursday night 9pm pacific/Midnight eastern), rumors should reach a fevered pitch in the coming hours.  So, with that in mind, I thought I'd open up a thread to keep things relatively straight.  While free agency begins at 9pm, I'm kind of curious how long it takes for the 49ers to make things happen, particularly in light of the tampering issues.  I was looking back at the Niners Nation archives and last season the first signings (Lewis/Clements) happened approximately 16 hours into free agency.  Maybe they get guys signed but take a few days to get the paperwork done?  Who knows.  I say just get things done, tampering worries be damned.

First off, the rumors I've heard among many:

Justin Smith - This has probably been the most talked about option in free agency for the 49ers lately.  Of course, many of us thoughts Adalius Thomas was coming to town and it didn't quite work out that way.  While Justin Smith will cost a hefty chunk of change, I would really like to see him in the 3-4 next season.

Calvin Pace - I first noticed Pace's name in a Maiocco column.  Pace plays the weakside linebacker position and I just happened upon an interesting comment.  Rotoworld is claiming the Patriots are interested and would move him inside as they did with Adalius Thomas.  One interesting post at the scout.com 49ers page pointed to a potential hybrid defense if Calvin Pace and Justin Smith were both signed.  A 3-3 with Justin Smith playing the elephant role.  Thoughts?

Bernard Berrian - His name has been bandied about as a potential receiving option, but the money seems to be a bit steep.  It sounds like  Berrian wants $24.5 million over the first three years and the Bears offered 5 years, $25 million.  Berrian apparently wants to pass Deion Branch's deal of 6 years, $39 million.  I'd personally rather go with some smaller names and spread the money around as I've never been a big Bernard Berrian fan.  Of course, rumor has it Berrian really wants to play in San Francisco.

DeShaun Foster - Technically DeShaun Foster is already eligible to be signed but a deal isn't done yet.  I'm curious what the potential hold up is.  In spite of the injury issues and whatnot, I think he'd make a great backup for Gore.  At the same time I'd love to see what Thomas Clayton can do.  If Foster is signed, the competition basically comes down to Thomas Clayton vs. Michael Robinson for the #3 running back and I'd imagine Robinson has the edge for now.

Lance Briggs - Briggs has been on the radar of most 49ers fans every since word spread that the 49ers had made a play for him at the trade deadline.  Then the tampering issues came up recently and everything seems up in the air.  Matt Maiocco is NOT sold on Briggs coming to the Bay Area.  Stories have the 49ers potentially not interested and that this is more of a Drew Rosenhaus thing running up the price.  Maybe it's part of the deal for getting Frank Gore signed long term; use the 49ers to leverage his other clients.  If the 49ers can bring in Smith and Pace I certainly have no problem ignoring Lance Briggs.  

Shaun McDonald - Not the sexiest name out there, but McDonald could be a nice little pickup if he can build on last year's 79 receptions, 943 yards and 6 touchdowns.  As Sven pointed out, rumors have McDonald potentially being traded to San Francisco.  We'll see if this comes to fruition.



So I'd say we open this up to two questions.  What do you think the 49ers will do? versus What do you HOPE the 49ers will do?

For me, I still would like to see the 49ers make a run at one of the quality offensive lineman out there, but it sounds unlikely and rather just be addressed in the draft.  MM is reporting league rumors have Alan Faneca signing with the Jets.  That leaves a guy like Flozell "The Hotel" Adams who appears likely to resign with the Cowboys.

As I read and hear more rumors I'll post them here.  Go ahead and use this to include rumors you hear and your wishes for the 49ers free agency.

EDITOR'S UPDATE 2:15PM - Isaac Bruce: Just came across this at Rotoworld:

Rams released WR Isaac Bruce.

The Rams asked Bruce to take a pay cut and he refused. The Rams have put themselves in awful cap condition with poor free agent signings the past few seasons, and now have to cut their most tenured player. Bruce has plenty left in the tank, and will instantly be on San Francisco's radar. If the Rams are smart, they'll make him another contract offer.

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Hackket, Bryant Johnson, or Jabar Gafney. One of those 3 and we are fine at WR. Pce/Smith combo or Briggs would be very nice. Get someone. PLEASE!

by montasmob69 on Feb 27, 2008 11:33 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How exactly would
we be fine with one of those 3 WRs? Gafney is terrible, the only reason he had a decent season in NE is because of Randy Moss and Wes Welker taking most of the coverage, not to mention Tom Brady being far superior to any of the QBs we have combined. Hacket is a Darrell Jackson clone, with the drops but with better speed, so thats a wash. And Bryant Johnson... he couldnt cut it as a 3rd WR on Arizona, so how could he be relied on any more than the WR we alreay have?

The 49ers already have a bunch of mediocre WRs, and adding more wont solve this issue.

by SoCal As Fan on Feb 28, 2008 11:14 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clueless
Hackett, if he can stay healthy, could be a lower end #1 WR.  He's bigger, faster and younger than Darrell Jackson.  And actually I'd be stoked to have a clone of Darrell Jackson in his prime when you could count on him for 1000 yards recieving and 8-10 TDs.

And how exactly did Bryant Johnson not cut it as a 3rd WR in Arizona?  He's put up very solid numbers while playing behind two Pro Bowlers.  He's leaving Arizona not because he isn't good enough but because Arizona can't afford to retain him.

Here's to hoping Albert Hanyesworth stomps on Alex Smith's head.

by methodrampage on Feb 28, 2008 11:39 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

have you even looked at stats
here are johnsons numbers from last year:
46 rec, 528 yards, 2 TD

He has never had more than 4 TDs in a year. Is there something I am missing?

And how is Hackett a lower end #1? 9 TDs and less than 1400 yds in 3 seasons. His highest yards in a season is 610.

What you need to remember is that both of these guys put up decent numbers with good QBs (or at least better QBs than what the 49ers have). So what makes you think they would get any better if they were to come here. Is Martz really that good??

by SoCal As Fan on Feb 28, 2008 1:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

46 rec, 528 yards, 2 TD
That would have been close to making Johnson our #1 WR last year.  Yet he was the 3rd WR on his respective team that has two Pro Bowlers in front of him so obviously his numbers will suffer a little bit.  Go ahead and compare him to the average #3 WRs in the league he'd be one of the best.

Have you watched any Seahawks games in '06?  It was apparent then that Hackett was bursting onto the scene.  Hackett was hurt for the majority of last season but he put some pretty big games together when he was able to suit up.  Do some research and read a scouting report numbers don't tell the whole story.

You're right our QBs suck and who's to say Randy Moss wouldn't blow a big one if he came to SF?

Here's to hoping Albert Hanyesworth stomps on Alex Smith's head.

by methodrampage on Feb 28, 2008 2:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DE
I like smith and his work ethic a lot but i dont know about writing a paycheck that large for a 3-4 DE......

Pace would be a proven OLB so no gambling in the draft.... we see him enough in the season that the coaching staff knows what he's capable of

Berrian will be too expensive i think.... lets go get brandon lloyd for next to nothing(ha love his crazy catches)... i think this will be another position addressed in the draft more than once possibly

Foster would be a good option for our #2RB.... i think there is good depth in the draft here and would like to see us get a big back for short yardage

Briggs would be a good pickup but he's a little small and will demand a big price tag so i dont thik id take him

What the 49ers will do....

1.Pace and Foster

by Qbgetter13 on Feb 28, 2008 6:21 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lloyd?
The Niners would sign Antonio Bryant before Lloyd.  There's no way they take Lloyd and his nonperforming shitty attitude back.
Here's to hoping Albert Hanyesworth stomps on Alex Smith's head.

by methodrampage on Feb 28, 2008 7:11 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pace
Even if this point may be moot (as word is the 49ers aren't in the running for Pace), I don't know if the 49ers would have been interested in playing Pace outside.  If they did consider him, wouldn't his size make him a better fit at the "bigger" ILB position manned by Derek Smith this year?

by sfgfan on Feb 29, 2008 9:38 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do vs Hope
Do: Mcdonald, Smith and Foster

Hope: Pace, Faneca and Bryant Johnson. Also would like for them to consider a fullback.. Morris is soft

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Feb 28, 2008 8:45 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

go fullback
I want schmitt.... prolly not gonna happen.... that is a ton of FA acquisitions your hoping for

by Qbgetter13 on Feb 28, 2008 10:02 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's my Free Agent Wish List
Kwame Harris signs with the Raiders.  Rotoworld had this to say "Harris has highlight reels of missed blocks about him on YouTube" but apparently the Raiders are interested.  Man they suck.
Here's to hoping Albert Hanyesworth stomps on Alex Smith's head.

by methodrampage on Feb 28, 2008 10:27 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kwame is a good run-blocker
part of the reason the 49ers running game regressed last year was because he lost his job. Of course, he is an awful pass-blocker...
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by Nosetackle Supreme on Feb 28, 2008 12:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On the other hand
I seem to remember a lot of our running problems coming when running the ball at Larry Allen, who had a pretty dismal, like, 80% of the season. Harris was a first rate run blocker, but I think we still had more problems running to other side of the line than anything else.
I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down... over and over....

by howtheyscored on Feb 28, 2008 2:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Change != Cause
I don't think the 49ers running game regressed because of the "changing of the guard" at RT.  Staley is probably all the run-blocker than Kwame is, or at least darn close.  As HTS points out above, the left side of the line REALLY let down this past season, more so than the right (in my opinion).

by sfgfan on Feb 29, 2008 9:40 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Absolutely...
If you look at most of the brutal hits on our QBs last season, all too often they came from the blindside, leading to nasty hits and fumbles.  And of course by blindside, I mean the left side.  I think whoever gets Alan Faneca will be very happy... at least for the first few years, and then may regret the length of the contract.  I'd sign him for 4 seasons, but no more than that.

by jaytierney on Feb 29, 2008 10:02 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Foster hold up
The hold up with signing Foster has to do with whether or not he could get more playing time in Tampa Bay.  If Gore stays healthy, you know he'll get almost all of the carries, so if I'm Foster I'd rather play in Tampa and have a chance to start or at least platoon.

by jaytierney on Feb 28, 2008 11:12 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tampa Bay
Foster getting more playing time in Tampa Bay makes little sense to me.  Even if Cadillac doesn't make a full recovery I was really impressed with Earnest Graham last year.  I doubt Foster could unseat Graham as either the top back-up or as the #1 RB.  And if Cadillac's outlook is that bleak why wouldn't they address it in the draft where the RB class is pretty deep.
Here's to hoping Albert Hanyesworth stomps on Alex Smith's head.

by methodrampage on Feb 28, 2008 11:42 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very good points
To add to it, even if Frank is healthy, a healthy Foster would probably be used a lot more than Hicks and Robinson were used the last couple of years.

by sfgfan on Feb 29, 2008 9:42 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Free agent receivers
If Denver releases Javon Walker, do you think the 49ers should go after him?  I say yes...

by jaytierney on Feb 28, 2008 11:14 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why no mention of Javon Walker
not sure what his status is, but he is a borderline game changing WR. Yes, he was hurt last year, but that could mean he wont cost as much as a Berrian.

by SoCal As Fan on Feb 28, 2008 11:18 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point
Walker would be a great addition, but I haven't seen a single mention of 49ers interest (which kind of sucks).  Rotoworld is reporting the Cowboys, Bucs, Redskins and Eagles have all expressed interest.
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by Fooch on Feb 28, 2008 11:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Walker
Walker, when healthy, is far more than a borderline game changing WR.  Problem is he's only been healthy for 2 seasons as a starter (in those two seasons he averaged 1233 yards recieving and 10 TDs).  But the dude simply can't stay healthy.  He's been hurt more than he's been healthy.  He's the WR version of Rich Harden.  There's a reason why the Broncos don't want him and why nobody will give up a 5th rounder for him.
Here's to hoping Albert Hanyesworth stomps on Alex Smith's head.

by methodrampage on Feb 28, 2008 11:48 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Walker
He would make a very interesting signing for numbers a notch or so below what Lelie signed for last year, though.

by sfgfan on Feb 29, 2008 9:43 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re. Twas the night before 49ers Free Agency...
[jockstraps were hung by the chimeny with care.]

The Niners will not make as big a splash in free agency as they made last year. Off the top of my head, Clements, TBC, Lelie, and Jackson come to mind. And where did that get us? Last in offense and bottom third in defense.

With this rag tag (I say that loosely) bunch of guys we got we might as well plug a few holes on both sides of the line via free agency. Take our chances in the draft. Get our act together this offseason. Because next season will be a better indicator of where this team actually is as far as talent and coaching.

That's why I think we will be frugal in free agency (maybe one big deal, two big deals would shock me).

I guess this is pretty much what I hope will happen as well.

Bring back the YAC!

by jfainsf49 on Feb 28, 2008 11:26 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Last year
Clements was really the only big signing we made last year (maybe you could consider Lewis).  TBC wasn't a big deal and neither was Lelie.  TBC was a stop gap and Lelie signed pretty damn cheap.  Jackson wasn't a free agent acquisition, we traded a 4th round draft pick for him.

So you're one big deal basically puts us on par with what we did last year.

Here's to hoping Albert Hanyesworth stomps on Alex Smith's head.

by methodrampage on Feb 28, 2008 11:52 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oops
Damn, I forgot about Jackson being traded.
Bring back the YAC!

by jfainsf49 on Feb 28, 2008 12:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Isaac Bruce
Added a note at the end about Isaac Bruce's release from the Rams.
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by Fooch on Feb 28, 2008 2:16 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn you beat me.
Sign him now!
Here's to hoping Albert Hanyesworth stomps on Alex Smith's head.

by methodrampage on Feb 28, 2008 2:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm
A 36 year old receiver coming off of the 4th worst season of his career (a statement that includes his rookie season and a 5 game injury shortened year, mind you), who isn't willing to accept a pay cut...?

Excuse me if I have my reservations.

His 2006 season is nothing to scoff at, so he's not that far removed from the guys who regularly guts us, but I think there is obvious reason to be concerned about his abilities going forward.

A Bruce signing, I'd say, would easily be the closest thing to a "Vintage Dan Snyder" move of all the rumors I've heard so far.

I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down... over and over....

by howtheyscored on Feb 28, 2008 2:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he can help
especially the receiving corp learn this offense faster... I think he can be productive for maybe 2-3 years, but he can definately help
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Feb 28, 2008 3:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah
I can see a lot of ways he could help, but I also see a lot of warning signs and an unwillingness to take less money on account of those warnings signs.

I'm much less confident that he can be effective as long as 3 years, too. I just don't think this is the contract to make. It's almost guaranteed to be too much, and with those warning signs the risk/reward ratio is shifting dangerously close to that 1:1 zone. He's still talented, but football players usually don't take their time declining, and the year he had last year (combined with his inconsistency for the last 3) makes me nervous.

Arnaz Battle caught more TDs than Isaac Bruce last year. Chew on that a little....

I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down... over and over....

by howtheyscored on Feb 28, 2008 3:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bruce
First off I doubt Bruce is going to get a very sizable contract for very many years so I don't see the problem.  He'd be a stopgap that step in a preform while possibly helping to groom a rookie WR that we may or may not take in the first round.

Secondly, I'd say Bruce's lack of production had to do with the struggles the entire offense went through.  Their offense was horrible for the first half of the season with Pace, Bulger and Jackson all missing significant time.  With all that considered Bruce still would have been head and shoulders above our next best WR.  I'm sure he's still got a couple of decent years ahead of him.

Here's to hoping Albert Hanyesworth stomps on Alex Smith's head.

by methodrampage on Feb 28, 2008 5:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess
I guess we just see the contract possibility differently. I highly doubt he's going to get many years, so we agree on that, but I think there will be competition for him and that he will get paid.

I do agree that Bruce's problems last year had something to do with that offense. How could it not (that offensive line was almost as bad as ours!)? But I also think that some of the troubles of that offense had to do with skill players getting older, Bruce included. And he's only getting older.

Still, for a decent contract I wouldn't be against it. As it stands, though, he'll be considered by many (those not as concerned with age as I am) to be at the top of the WR FA class with Berrian, and I think it's bound to be at least a little competitive.

I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down... over and over....

by howtheyscored on Feb 28, 2008 5:42 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depends on contract
See I don't have a problem overpaying for a guy for 2 years.  It when the contracts gets to 4+ years that overpaying gets to be an issue.

The problem is I'm torn between looking towards the future and wanting some instant gratification; it's extremely difficult to keep the two in check.

Here's to hoping Albert Hanyesworth stomps on Alex Smith's head.

by methodrampage on Feb 28, 2008 7:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

asdf
oooo Bruce.  Can we get Holt too?  I'm sure Az Hakim wouldn't be too hard to get.  Is he still playing?

by JoeDontLoseSuperBowls on Feb 28, 2008 2:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hakim?
Screw that, let's go in the way-back machine and sign Flipper Anderson!
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by Fooch on Feb 28, 2008 3:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RICKY PROEHL!
I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down... over and over....

by howtheyscored on Feb 28, 2008 3:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

invite to training camp
and give him the minimum. otherwise, he won't help us. If we were one veteran #3/4 receiver away from the Super Bowl, I'd think differently, but we're not, so its best to let the young guys play.
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by Nosetackle Supreme on Feb 28, 2008 4:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kearse
Jevon Kearse has apparently been dropped by the Eagles.  Obviously he has durability issues and I don't think he has ever played standing up, but he has the size to play OLB in a 3-4 and he has been very good at getting after the QB.
Tom will never be as cool as Joe

by wader251 on Feb 28, 2008 3:03 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's too banged up
we shouldn't sign guys just because they used to be healthy and good, and have big names.
Lott's Prayer: Almost as many words as the Lord's Prayer, but the Lord wouldn't recognize any of them.

by Nosetackle Supreme on Feb 28, 2008 4:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

typical
"oh <insert big name> just got cut, oh oh oh, me want" response.
Here's to hoping Albert Hanyesworth stomps on Alex Smith's head.

by methodrampage on Feb 28, 2008 4:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are such a hypocrit.
First of all, I didn't say we should sign Kearse I was simply pointing out that he had been cut and wondering if anybody knew anything about him.  I know hardly anything about Kearse's time in Philly or the circumstances about his release.  However, I thought I would bring it up since this is a post about the Niner's options in the off season.  Second, how ironic is it that you of all people would accuse me of having an "oh <insert big name> just got cut, oh oh oh, me want" response."  when you just got done exclaiming "Sign him now!" in response to a post about Bruce.  This after of month of you lambasting anyone who would dare suggest that we should add a WR.  What a joke.
Tom will never be as cool as Joe

by wader251 on Feb 28, 2008 8:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Apparently sarcasm is lost on you.
Here's to hoping Albert Hanyesworth stomps on Alex Smith's head.

by methodrampage on Feb 29, 2008 7:25 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Receivers...
Isaac Bruce would be a good deal for a one-year contract, but not any longer.  Javon Walker is risky for health reasons, but intriguing.  I still say we're better off spending our money to bolster the offensive line... and maybe get one of those good-but-not-great fringe receivers floating around.  There are a few...

by jaytierney on Feb 28, 2008 4:18 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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